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elrhvl...@mid.individual.net>, LFS
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lauraDRA...@gmail.com> writes:
>On 20/04/2017 10:59, Steve Hague wrote:
>> On 20/04/2017 10:41, Sid Nuncius wrote:
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>>> It's not going to happen. I voted remain, albeit while holding my nose
>>> at a good deal of what I was voting to remain part of. I wish we
>>> weren't leaving the EU...but we are. I think going on about how we can
>>> change that, however much we dislike it, just makes us look silly
+1 indeed.
>>> because we can't. Whatever arguments are put forward about the process
>>> or what people really wanted, it's too bloody late, whether they have
>>> any merit or not.
Yes!
>>>
>>> I think leaving the EU will be very bad for Britain and bad for general
I think it will be _expensive_ for Britain for quite a few years,
>>> stability in Europe - but that's tough. I still don't like it (to put it
and not good for the stability of _the EU_ - which _may_ mean for Europe
in general.
>>> mildly) but I just have to hope I'm wrong about the consequences and try
>>> to make sure that when we do leave, any damage is minimised.
>>>
>>> In the same way, I wish Donald Trump weren't President of the USA - but
>>> he is. However much some people may wish it were different, he will be
>>> there for four years, God help us all, and there's no point in
Good point; I suppose I still hadn't got round to thinking that the way
I have over Brexit, but you are right.
>>> daydreaming about him being indicted or anything else.
(I suppose it's possible, but I don't _think_ it's very likely.)
>>>
>>> The sooner we get through the denial, anger, bargaining and depression
>>> stages, move on to acceptance and try to deal with what is really
>>> happening, the better, IMO.
Yes again.
>>
>> I was going to vote remain right up till the day before the referendum,
>> then changed my mind, but I'm very uncomfortable with many of my fellow
>> travellers, and didn't vote that way for the same reasons as them. I
>> probably represent the nation really well. 48% of me wanted to vote
>> remain, 52% voted leave. I also live in a three way marginal
I too am very uncomfortable about fellow travellers - mainly those who
voted leave for reasons to do with immigration, which the media at least
(I sadly have no real way of knowing) have made out to be the main
reason for leave voting. (I so voted for reasons of autonomy - I would
say sovereignty, but that word has become tainted, by those who talk
about "British soil" and wave the flag and mention the Falklands and
such.) I too thought there was much good about the EU. (I must say it
hasn't been too evident since, but I do find that understandable.)
>> constituency, and have no party loyalties. Decisions, decisions.
>
>Steve, I think you're the first person I've found who reflects my own
>ambivalence. I tried very hard to find objective evidence on either
>side without success. I voted Remain because of the obvious financial
>costs of the leaving process: the longer term benefits/cost of its
>consequences seem to me to be unquantifiable but there can be no doubt
>that the immediate and ongoing costs of untangling everything will be
There will certainly be high administrative costs. I think they could be
made not _that_ high if we make most things "carry on as we were, but
call them British/English laws" - which in most cases, is actually
already the case; however, in a lot of cases, there will be sufficient
people wanting to tweak that it won't happen like that. (Actually I
think it will for a majority of legislation, simply because of the
volume of it there is, but still.)
>very high. I don't think the UK can afford this at a time when public
>service provision is so depleted and market solutions are so clearly
>inadequate.
I agree with what you say there. (I'm not sure why market solutions, if
by that you mean private rather than public, have much to do with EU
versus UK, but I certainly agree that privatisation - for want of a
better word - has little advantage and plenty of disadvantage.)
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