Nominative determinism
Penny
again. I probably misheard but the weather woman this lunchtime seemed to
be called Elizabeth Showery.
--
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It's worse than that, it's physics, Jim.
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chris mcmillan
<sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>It must be time we had a thread on the subject of nominative determinism
>again. I probably misheard but the weather woman this lunchtime seemed to
>be called Elizabeth Showery.
YANOU: I think its Sharry however. Where's Mr E when we need him?
Sincerely Chris
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Martin Clark
>It must be time we had a thread on the subject of nominative determinism
>again. I probably misheard but the weather woman this lunchtime seemed to
>be called Elizabeth Showery.
Just watch out for Neil Sleat.
--
Martin
twig
"chris mcmillan" <spam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:6$yvnMSoN...@chris.mcmillan...
its written as Saary
when ive seen her on tv
sam
chris mcmillan
<tw...@branch.leaf> writes
don't have one of them boxes, Sam. :-)
Stephen GC Tilley
sure I was interrupted by chris mcmillan saying ...
>
>In message <cunkt7$mld$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>, twig
><tw...@branch.leaf> writes
>>
>>"chris mcmillan" <spam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>news:6$yvnMSoN...@chris.mcmillan...
>>> In message <0avr01h1ettq43fpu...@4ax.com>, Penny
>>> <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>>> >It must be time we had a thread on the subject of nominative determinism
>>> >again. I probably misheard but the weather woman this lunchtime seemed to
>>> >be called Elizabeth Showery.
>>>
>>> YANOU: I think its Sharry however. Where's Mr E when we need him?
>>
>>
>>when ive seen her on tv
>>
>No wonder no one knows how to say or spell it without seeing it. I
>don't have one of them boxes, Sam. :-)
She's at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/bbcweather/forecasters/elizabethsaary.shtml
on the web.
--
Stephen Tilley, TBMG, EPIC
attrib Samuel Goldwyn (ne Gelbfisz) - No 24 of 35
Put it out of your mind. In no time, it will be a forgotten memory.
Stephen
<Ste...@Tilley.net> :
>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, when I was considering the Great Exhibition of 2051, I'm
>sure I was interrupted by chris mcmillan saying ...
>>
>>In message <cunkt7$mld$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>, twig
>><tw...@branch.leaf> writes
>>>
>>>"chris mcmillan" <spam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>news:6$yvnMSoN...@chris.mcmillan...
>>>> In message <0avr01h1ettq43fpu...@4ax.com>, Penny
>>>> <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>>>> >It must be time we had a thread on the subject of nominative determinism
>>>> >again. I probably misheard but the weather woman this lunchtime seemed to
>>>> >be called Elizabeth Showery.
>>>>
>>>> YANOU: I think its Sharry however. Where's Mr E when we need him?
>>>
>>>its written as Saary
>>>
>>>when ive seen her on tv
>>>
>>No wonder no one knows how to say or spell it without seeing it. I
>>don't have one of them boxes, Sam. :-)
>
>She's at
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/bbcweather/forecasters/elizabethsaary.shtml
>
>on the web.
Is this the point at which someone should suggest that "Saary" seems
to be the hardest word?
--
Stephen
And I could find another dream, one that keeps me warm and clean
But I ain't dreamin' anymore, I'm waking up.
So I'll take two of what you're having and I'll take everything you got
To kill this goddamn lonely, goddamn lonely love. DBT
Paradise Island Barchap
>It must be time we had a thread on the subject of nominative determinism
>again. I probably misheard but the weather woman this lunchtime seemed to
>be called Elizabeth Showery.
Not really the same thing at all, but I can't resist a smile after
Gardener's Question Time, when I hear that the (?)producer(?) was
Jo King.
(Please don't tell me if it's really Joe King).
--
mike at ellwoods org uk - Real mail here please. Edit appropriately.
Penny
dust...
>On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Penny wrote:
>
>>It must be time we had a thread on the subject of nominative determinism
>>again. I probably misheard but the weather woman this lunchtime seemed to
>>be called Elizabeth Showery.
>
>Not really the same thing at all, but I can't resist a smile after
>Gardener's Question Time, when I hear that the (?)producer(?) was
>Jo King.
>
>(Please don't tell me if it's really Joe King).
I've no idea if that person is male or female but I've always heard it as
Joking, there's another one I can't quite bring to mind at the moment - Joe
Kerr perhaps...
Rosemary Miskin
Ok, I won't.
Rosemary
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Siderius Nuncius
"Penny" <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote
> Paradise Island Barchap scrawled in the dust...
>>On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Penny wrote:
>>>It must be time we had a thread on the subject of nominative determinism
>>>again. I probably misheard but the weather woman this lunchtime seemed to
>>>be called Elizabeth Showery.
>>
>>Not really the same thing at all, but I can't resist a smile after
>>Gardener's Question Time, when I hear that the (?)producer(?) was
>>Jo King.
>>
>>(Please don't tell me if it's really Joe King).
>
> I've no idea if that person is male or female but I've always heard it as
> Joking, there's another one I can't quite bring to mind at the moment -
> Joe
> Kerr perhaps...
Jo King is the scorer for the Talksport Test commentaries.
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Guy Morgan
<matron....@tesco.net> writes
My favourite is Frances Crooks who is/was Director of the Howard League
for penal reform.
BTW did anyone else notice the reference to Beth being at the 5-aside
final when IIRC she's in Scotland?
Guy
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George Middleton
<g...@firstlight.plus.com> writes
>>Jo King is the scorer for the Talksport Test commentaries.
>
>My favourite is Frances Crooks who is/was Director of the Howard League
>for penal reform.
Wasn't the poor lad who was stabbed at school rather unfortunately named
Luke Walmsley?
--
George
Guy Morgan
In message <UtOXATB6...@blueyonder.co.uk>, George Middleton
<gzo...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
I think so. IIRC New Scientist feedback column a few years ago
was a repository of many of the best examples from science such as the
immortal one in 1994, when it was remarked that a paper on incontinence
in the British Journal of Urology was authored by J.W. Splatt and D.
Weedon!
Martin Clark
>
>In message <UtOXATB6...@blueyonder.co.uk>, George Middleton
><gzo...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>In message <t8uMEZno...@firstlight.plus.com>, Guy Morgan
>><g...@firstlight.plus.com> writes
>>>>Jo King is the scorer for the Talksport Test commentaries.
>>>
>>>My favourite is Frances Crooks who is/was Director of the Howard
>>>League for penal reform.
>>
>>Wasn't the poor lad who was stabbed at school rather unfortunately
>>named Luke Walmsley?
>
>I think so. IIRC New Scientist feedback column a few years ago
>was a repository of many of the best examples from science such as the
>immortal one in 1994, when it was remarked that a paper on incontinence
>in the British Journal of Urology was authored by J.W. Splatt and D.
>Weedon!
>
receiving a communication from the manager of the tax office - a
gentleman by the name of Mr Fiddler.
--
Martin
Stephen GC Tilley
>
>According to the opalescent prose of Stephen GC Tilley
><Ste...@Tilley.net> :
>
>>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, when I was considering the Great Exhibition of 2051, I'm
>>sure I was interrupted by chris mcmillan saying ...
>>>
>>>In message <cunkt7$mld$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>, twig
>>><tw...@branch.leaf> writes
>>>>
>>>>"chris mcmillan" <spam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:6$yvnMSoN...@chris.mcmillan...
>>>>> In message <0avr01h1ettq43fpu...@4ax.com>, Penny
>>>>> <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>>>>> >It must be time we had a thread on the subject of nominative determinism
>>>>> >again. I probably misheard but the weather woman this lunchtime seemed to
>>>>> >be called Elizabeth Showery.
>>>>>
>>>>> YANOU: I think its Sharry however. Where's Mr E when we need him?
>>>>
>>>>its written as Saary
>>>>
>>>>when ive seen her on tv
>>>>
>>>No wonder no one knows how to say or spell it without seeing it. I
>>>don't have one of them boxes, Sam. :-)
>>
>>She's at
>>
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/bbcweather/forecasters/elizabethsaary.shtml
>>
>>on the web.
>
>Is this the point at which someone should suggest that "Saary" seems
>to be the hardest word?
And, when her parents married did they leave the church to that well-known
anthem "Who's Saary now?".
Rosalind Mitchell
>>> Jo King is the scorer for the Talksport Test commentaries.
>>
>>
>> My favourite is Frances Crooks who is/was Director of the Howard
>> League for penal reform.
>
>
> Wasn't the poor lad who was stabbed at school rather unfortunately named
> Luke Walmsley?
I think this is the point where I customarily blow the dust off my
one-time woodwork teacher and wheel him out. A big handsaw, please, for
Mr Les Hewitt.
Rosie
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argument with Toodles about it, and Toodles is *always* right (well, 99%
of the time).
Bad SWs, Naughty SWs.
Are you new to umra, Guy? Welcome if you are.
Sincerely Chris
>Guy
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Mike McMillan
given to understand she was going to return in time for the bl**dy
foopball final; this is what she had said to Edwood afore she
Scotflitted anyway. When we heard her name as having attended, we just
thought that she had been good to her word and returned in time; now you
have put doubts in my mind as we have not heard from her since then and
Edwood seems to be at a loose end still ...
Toodle Pip,
Mike
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there was an HM Inspector of Taxes by the name of Robin Bastard (BICBAM)
chris mcmillan
<tinne...@ntlworld.com> writes
>In message <UtOXATB6...@blueyonder.co.uk>, George Middleton
><gzo...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>In message <t8uMEZno...@firstlight.plus.com>, Guy Morgan
>><g...@firstlight.plus.com> writes
>>>>Jo King is the scorer for the Talksport Test commentaries.
>>>
>>>My favourite is Frances Crooks who is/was Director of the Howard
>>>League for penal reform.
>>
>>Wasn't the poor lad who was stabbed at school rather unfortunately
>>named Luke Walmsley?
>Then there was a Cardinal Sin
Sin.
Siderius Nuncius
"Rosalind Mitchell" <rcmit...@gmail.com> wrote
> I think this is the point where I customarily blow the dust off my
> one-time woodwork teacher
OATFOB! [1]
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[1]Outrageous.
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"Stephen GC Tilley" <Ste...@Tilley.net> wrote
> I was interrupted by Stephen saying ...
>>
>>Is this the point at which someone should suggest that "Saary" seems
>>to be the hardest word?
>
> And, when her parents married did they leave the church to that well-known
> anthem "Who's Saary now?".
Does she have a fringe on top?
Julian Day
"Mike McMillan" <tinne...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EfSKJmD+...@mike.mcmillan...
> In message <UtOXATB6...@blueyonder.co.uk>, George Middleton
> <gzo...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
> >In message <t8uMEZno...@firstlight.plus.com>, Guy Morgan
> ><g...@firstlight.plus.com> writes
> >>>Jo King is the scorer for the Talksport Test commentaries.
> >>
> >>My favourite is Frances Crooks who is/was Director of the Howard
> >>League for penal reform.
> >
> >Wasn't the poor lad who was stabbed at school rather unfortunately
> >named Luke Walmsley?
> Then there was a Cardinal Sin (SYN, SYNN or whatever), and I'm told that
> there was an HM Inspector of Taxes by the name of Robin Bastard (BICBAM)
According to a Trivial Pursuit question the referee of the first FA cup
final bore the surname Bastard.
There's a BBC radio reporter called "Louisa Limm". Not sure exactly how it's
spelt, but I always hear it as "lose a limb".....what front line reporters
say to wish each other luck, rather as actors say "break a leg"?
J
Chris J Dixon
>There's a BBC radio reporter called "Louisa Limm". Not sure exactly how it's
>spelt, but I always hear it as "lose a limb".....what front line reporters
>say to wish each other luck, rather as actors say "break a leg"?
>
Not to mention the newsreader sounding almost like Vanilla Fudge.
Chris
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badriya
<tinne...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>When we heard her name as having attended, we just
>thought that she had been good to her word and returned in time; now you
>have put doubts in my mind as we have not heard from her since then and
>Edwood seems to be at a loose end still ...
YANAOU
We surely would have heard Ed complaining about Bruno to her.
Vicky
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<ch...@cdixon.me.uk> writes
>Julian Day wrote:
>
>>There's a BBC radio reporter called "Louisa Limm". Not sure exactly how it's
>>spelt, but I always hear it as "lose a limb".....what front line reporters
>>say to wish each other luck, rather as actors say "break a leg"?
>>
>Not to mention the newsreader sounding almost like Vanilla Fudge.
>
>Chris
to speak in Fed Up as he is involved in the making of those bl**dy
trailers ...
Toodle Pip,
Mike
chris mcmillan
<julia...@mrc-hnr.cam.ac.uk> writes
>
>"Mike McMillan" <tinne...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>news:EfSKJmD+...@mike.mcmillan...
>> In message <UtOXATB6...@blueyonder.co.uk>, George Middleton
>> <gzo...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> >In message <t8uMEZno...@firstlight.plus.com>, Guy Morgan
>> ><g...@firstlight.plus.com> writes
>> >>>Jo King is the scorer for the Talksport Test commentaries.
>> >>
>
to a Chinese man who last year opened the first Western style fish and
chip shop in Beijing. (FOOC had an article about it, and I also found
it on the Asia-Pacific news page).
Julian Day
> In message <i34711lik51lpaeb6...@4ax.com>, Chris J Dixon
> <ch...@cdixon.me.uk> writes
> >Julian Day wrote:
> >
> >>There's a BBC radio reporter called "Louisa Limm". Not sure exactly how
it's
> >>spelt, but I always hear it as "lose a limb".....what front line
reporters
> >>say to wish each other luck, rather as actors say "break a leg"?
> >>
> >Not to mention the newsreader sounding almost like Vanilla Fudge.
> >
> >Chris
> Oh yes, that's Fennella Fudge, and her husbad Mr. Fudge has been known
> to speak in Fed Up as he is involved in the making of those bl**dy
> trailers ...
>
> Toodle Pip,
>
> Mike
I believe he also moonlights at the ministry of magic....
J
Guy Morgan
<spam...@ntlworld.com> writes
>>
>Yes I did. And I decided that I must have got it wrong cos I'd had an
>argument with Toodles about it, and Toodles is *always* right (well,
>99% of the time).
>
>Bad SWs, Naughty SWs.
Makes me wonder if Beth had to be sent to Scotland unexpectedly after
the scene had been recorded. Still sloppy though, like the ref to
Kenton in the Caff a while ago.
>
>Are you new to umra, Guy? Welcome if you are.
Thank you Chris. Long time lurker and very occasional poster. I only
delurked now because I knew I hadn't imagined it having heard it in the
week and checked on Sunday but had expected lots of other people to post
that they'd spotted it.
Cheers
Stephen GC Tilley
sure I was interrupted by chris mcmillan saying ...
>
><julia...@mrc-hnr.cam.ac.uk> writes
>>
> >
>She's Louisa Lim. And I suspect 'Lim' is Chinese because she is married
>to a Chinese man who last year opened the first Western style fish and
>chip shop in Beijing. (FOOC had an article about it, and I also found
>it on the Asia-Pacific news page).
What's Mandarin for "sore finger"?
Paradise Island Barchap
Speaking of artistic connections, there was an item on "Front Row"
recently about an exhibition (I think) of conductor's batons.
They were going through the various types, and it immediately occurred to
me that there was a similarity between choosing batons, and choosing
wands, as in Harry Potter. (Mark Lawson must have overheard my thoughts,
as he made a Potterish reference a few minutes later).
The interviewee on this occasion made it clear that he liked his batons
as simple and cheap as possible, though did express a liking for
one that included a score-markup pencil.
Apparently batons did not come in until relatively recently (well, early
19th C. I think), so authentic early music types don't use them.
Stephen
<umra_n...@fastmail.fm> :
>Speaking of artistic connections, there was an item on "Front Row"
>recently about an exhibition (I think) of conductor's batons.
>
>They were going through the various types, and it immediately occurred to
>me that there was a similarity between choosing batons, and choosing
>wands, as in Harry Potter. (Mark Lawson must have overheard my thoughts,
>as he made a Potterish reference a few minutes later).
>
>The interviewee on this occasion made it clear that he liked his batons
>as simple and cheap as possible, though did express a liking for
>one that included a score-markup pencil.
>
>Apparently batons did not come in until relatively recently (well, early
>19th C. I think), so authentic early music types don't use them.
Lully, the early French composer (of the British National Anthem among
other things) famously used a staff with which to beat time for his
orchestra. During one performance he banged it down on his foot
rather than the floor and the resulting wound developed septicaemia,
which led to Lully's death.
Batons are clearly much safer.
--
Stephen
And I could find another dream, one that keeps me warm and clean
But I ain't dreamin' anymore, I'm waking up.
So I'll take two of what you're having and I'll take everything you got
To kill this goddamn lonely, goddamn lonely love. DBT
Martin Clark
>
>Apparently batons did not come in until relatively recently (well, early
>19th C. I think), so authentic early music types don't use them.
Oh no, they go back much further than that, but were not always as small
as they are now and were sometimes used to pound the beat on the floor.
The composer Jean-Baptiste Lully died in 1687. He had been conducting a
performance of Te Deum, when he his himself on the foot with his baton.
The foot turned gangrenous and the poor fellow died.
--
Martin
Martin Clark
>Lully, the early French composer (of the British National Anthem among
>other things)
I thought it was Henry Carey who was supposed to have written the
British National Anthem?
--
Martin
Martin Clark
>He had been conducting a
>performance of Te Deum, when he his himself on the foot with his baton.
I meant *hit* himself on the foot! Lully was a one-hit wonder.
--
Martin
Rosalind Mitchell
Beethoven and Debussy both also had a go. There's probably others.
Didn't Carey write the words? You know - the ones about confounding
popish tricks?
Stephen
<rcmit...@gmail.com> :
>Martin Clark wrote:
>> Stephen wrote...
>>
>>>Lully, the early French composer (of the British National Anthem among
>>>other things)
>>
>> I thought it was Henry Carey who was supposed to have written the
>> British National Anthem?
>
>Beethoven and Debussy both also had a go. There's probably others.
>
>Didn't Carey write the words? You know - the ones about confounding
>popish tricks?
Authorship of both words and music is disputed, probably in part
because both almost certainly evolved from earlier forms before
meeting in the mid 18th Century.
My preference for Lully as composer is not entirely disinterested. I
cannot stand the wretched dirge, and certainly wish the English sports
teams used something else, something which didn't belong equally to
many of the teams that they compete against. If the feeling that the
tune was written by a Frenchman gains sufficient currency there may be
more chance of having a tune played at Twickers which is more
uplifting than "Flower of Scotland" - and that is hardly setting the
bar very high.
<http://ingeb.org/songs/godsaveo.html> details Lully's claim.
Anne Burgess
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That's the one that of which "On official occasions, only the first verse is
usually sung, and occasionally verse 3". Note the content of Verse 6!
1. God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us;
God save the Queen!
2. O Lord our God arise,
Scatter her enemies
And make them fall;
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
God save us all!
3. Thy choicest gifts in store
On her be pleased to pour;
Long may she reign;
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the Queen!
4. Not in this land alone,
But be God's mercies known,
From shore to shore!
Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world over.
5. From every latent foe,
From the assassins blow,
God save the Queen!
O'er her thine arm extend,
For Britain's sake defend,
Our mother, prince, and friend,
God save the Queen!
6. Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King!
Anne
chris mcmillan
Paradise Island Barchap <umra_n...@fastmail.fm> writes
>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Julian Day wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike McMillan" <tinne...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>news:NgO4GhBM...@mike.mcmillan...
>>> In message <i34711lik51lpaeb6...@4ax.com>, Chris J Dixon
>>> <ch...@cdixon.me.uk> writes
>>> >Julian Day wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>There's a BBC radio reporter called "Louisa Limm". Not sure exactly how
>>it's
>>> >>spelt, but I always hear it as "lose a limb".....what front line
>>reporters
>>> >>say to wish each other luck, rather as actors say "break a leg"?
>>> >>
>>> >Not to mention the newsreader sounding almost like Vanilla Fudge.
>>> >
>>> >Chris
>>> Oh yes, that's Fennella Fudge, and her husbad Mr. Fudge has been known
>>> to speak in Fed Up as he is involved in the making of those bl**dy
>>> trailers ...
>>>
>>> Toodle Pip,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>I believe he also moonlights at the ministry of magic....
>
>Speaking of artistic connections, there was an item on "Front Row"
>recently about an exhibition (I think) of conductor's batons.
>
it jolly well serves me right.
>
>They were going through the various types, and it immediately occurred to
>me that there was a similarity between choosing batons,
>
opera and one of the things he always points out to us when we watch
DVDs is the type of baton being used and *how* its being used. The sort
of thing I certainly don't see without help: it just happens to be his
'thing' of course. Different countries have their own ideas of which
batons their nationals use.
>
>Apparently batons did not come in until relatively recently (well, early
>19th C. I think), so authentic early music types don't use them.
>
Christmas and put away the book I've finished about the Academy of St
Martins' in the Fields.
I shall go and find this if I can, Mr E.
chris mcmillan
<Ste...@Tilley.net> writes
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, when I was considering the Great Exhibition of 2051, I'm
>sure I was interrupted by chris mcmillan saying ...
>>
>>In message <cuv5pq$ji3$1...@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Julian Day
>><julia...@mrc-hnr.cam.ac.uk> writes
>>>
>>>There's a BBC radio reporter called "Louisa Limm".
>> >
>>She's Louisa Lim. And I suspect 'Lim' is Chinese because she is married
>>to a Chinese man who last year opened the first Western style fish and
>>chip shop in Beijing. (FOOC had an article about it, and I also found
>>it on the Asia-Pacific news page).
>
>What's Mandarin for "sore finger"?
>
>
not.
Sincerely chris
--
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chris mcmillan
<g...@firstlight.plus.com> writes
>
>Thank you Chris. Long time lurker and very occasional poster.
>
Martin Clark
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Penny
>Guy is more often to be found in wetter locations.
Phi Phi?
--
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It's worse than that, it's physics, Jim.
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Robin Fairbairns
one wonders what he might have composed if his foot had gone (say)
blue instead?
--
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Martin Clark
>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:17:27 +0000, Martin Clark scrawled in the dust...
>
>>Guy is more often to be found in wetter locations.
>
>Phi Phi?
You should have gone before you left the house.
--
Martin
Guy Morgan
writes
Very true Martin. Is this now going to lead to a flurry of people from
"the other place" declaring themselves?
Guy Morgan
>In message <5NhZ42GU...@firstlight.plus.com>, Guy Morgan
><g...@firstlight.plus.com> writes
>>In message <dPFmbpcr...@chris.mcmillan>, chris mcmillan
>><spam...@ntlworld.com> writes
>>>>
>>>Are you new to umra, Guy? Welcome if you are.
>>
>>Thank you Chris. Long time lurker and very occasional poster.
>>
>Well you've managed it now: so you can't re-lurk.
>
Martin Clark
>In message <JrnTfeJX...@oooah.noooah>, Martin Clark
><mar...@spl.at> writes
>>chris mcmillan wrote...
>>>In message <5NhZ42GU...@firstlight.plus.com>, Guy Morgan
>>><g...@firstlight.plus.com> writes
>>>>In message <dPFmbpcr...@chris.mcmillan>, chris mcmillan
>>>><spam...@ntlworld.com> writes
>>>>>>
>>>>>Are you new to umra, Guy? Welcome if you are.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you Chris. Long time lurker and very occasional poster.
>>>>
>>>Well you've managed it now: so you can't re-lurk.
>>>
>>Guy is more often to be found in wetter locations.
>
>Very true Martin. Is this now going to lead to a flurry of people
>from "the other place" declaring themselves?
>
--
Martin
M...@mygaff0.demon.co.uk
<stephe...@yahoo.com> writes
> If the feeling that the
>tune was written by a Frenchman gains sufficient currency there may be
>more chance of having a tune played at Twickers which is more
>uplifting than "Flower of Scotland" - and that is hardly setting the
>bar very high.
<Oils snippper riffle>
Min
--
Your ignorance is dangerous.
Your confidence based on your ignorance is dangerous.
Siderius Nuncius
"Robin Fairbairns" <r...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote
> Martin Clark <mar...@spl.at> writes:
>>Oh no, they go back much further than that, but were not always as small
>>as they are now and were sometimes used to pound the beat on the floor.
>>The composer Jean-Baptiste Lully died in 1687. He had been conducting a
>>performance of Te Deum, when he his himself on the foot with his baton.
>>The foot turned gangrenous and the poor fellow died.
>
> one wonders what he might have composed if his foot had gone (say)
> blue instead?
Well it's a-one for de Monte
Two for Rameau
Three to get Reger
Now go, László,
And don't you
Step on my blue suede Schütz
You can do anything Glazunov them blue suede Schütz.
Well you can knock Milhaud
Step on Marais
Slander Muñeira-ll over the place
Do anything that you wanna Schu-
Bert ah-ah Honnegger off-a them Schütz
And don't you
Step on my blue suede Schütz
You can do anything Glazunov them blue suede Schütz.
--
Sid
Make sure Matron is away when you reply
Stephen
I thought that the speed limits were there to prevent such things
happening?
Stephen GC Tilley
sure I was interrupted by Anne Burgess saying ...
>
>To reply replace the rock with my surname
>"Martin Clark" <mar...@spl.at> wrote in message
>news:PKHCXmEV...@oooah.noooah...
>> Stephen wrote...
>>>Lully, the early French composer (of the British National Anthem among
>>>other things)
>>
>> I thought it was Henry Carey who was supposed to have written the
>> British National Anthem?
>
>That's the one that of which "On official occasions, only the first verse is
>usually sung, and occasionally verse 3". Note the content of Verse 6!
>
> May by thy mighty aid
> Victory bring.
> May he sedition hush,
> And like a torrent rush,
> Rebellious Scots to crush.
> God save the King!
Marshal Wade features in my Large Historical Gap (1660 to 1815) but isn't he the
roadbuilder?
Jenny M Benson
<stephe...@yahoo.com> writes
>>>>Guy is more often to be found in wetter locations.
>>>
>>>Very true Martin. Is this now going to lead to a flurry of people
>>>from "the other place" declaring themselves?
>>>
>>Nick Atty will be along in a minute to give you a wave.
>
>I thought that the speed limits were there to prevent such things
>happening?
Oh, *very* nice one! - don't you agree, Guardian of the Bumra?
--
Jenny
"I always like to have the morning well-aired before I get up."
(Beau Brummel, 1778-1840)
badriya
>In article <4214e540...@News.individual.net>, Stephen
><stephe...@yahoo.com> writes
>> If the feeling that the
>>tune was written by a Frenchman gains sufficient currency there may be
>>more chance of having a tune played at Twickers which is more
>>uplifting than "Flower of Scotland" - and that is hardly setting the
>>bar very high.
>I will *speak* to you on Sunday...
><Oils snippper riffle>
>Min
Have you got two rifles? A snipper and a sniper one?
Vicky
--
Jane Vernon
<sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:17:27 +0000, Martin Clark scrawled in the dust...
>
>>Guy is more often to be found in wetter locations.
>
>Phi Phi?
BTN?
--
Jane
The potter in the purple socks
http://www.clothandclay.co.uk
http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook/contents.htm
Anne Burgess
> tune was written by a Frenchman gains sufficient currency there may be
> more chance of having a tune played at Twickers which is more
> uplifting than "Flower of Scotland" - and that is hardly setting the
> bar very high.
Quite. FoS is a fine song when sung by a duo or soloist. Sung by a large
crowd, it's a dreary dirge. But then, so is God Save the Queen.
Anne B
Martin Clark
>According to the opalescent prose of Martin Clark <mar...@spl.at> :
>>Guy Morgan wrote...
>>>In message <JrnTfeJX...@oooah.noooah>, Martin Clark
>>><mar...@spl.at> writes
>>>>>
>>>
>>>Very true Martin. Is this now going to lead to a flurry of people
>>>from "the other place" declaring themselves?
>>>
>>Nick Atty will be along in a minute to give you a wave.
>
>I thought that the speed limits were there to prevent such things
>happening?
>
under lock and quay.
--
Martin
Julian Day
"Siderius Nuncius" <matron....@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:37ll14F...@individual.net...
Nice one!
J
Anne Burgess
>> May by thy mighty aid
>> Victory bring.
>> May he sedition hush,
>> And like a torrent rush,
>> Rebellious Scots to crush.
>> God save the King!
>
> Marshal Wade features in my Large Historical Gap (1660 to 1815) but isn't
> he > the roadbuilder?
Yes, one of them, more usually known as General Wade, as in the couplet
"If you'd seen these roads before they were made
"You would lift up your hands and bless General Wade."
Details at http://www.visitrannoch.com/general-george-wade.htm.
He and his successor General Caulfeild or Caulfield were responsible for a
massive programme of roadbuilding all over the Highlands.
See also http://www.royal-deeside.org.uk/RDhistory/milroad.htm
Interesting that you have a LHG too. 'O' level syllabuses have a lot to
answer for! Mine are from Sir Robert Walpole to the end of the Seven Years'
War, and again from the death of Queen Victoria onwards.
Anne B
Tony Bryer
> 4. Not in this land alone,
> But be God's mercies known,
> From shore to shore!
> Lord make the nations see,
> That men should brothers be,
> And form one family,
> The wide world over.
Very acceptable sentiments IMHO
--
Tony Bryer
Penny
dust...
>Interesting that you have a LHG too. 'O' level syllabuses have a lot to
>answer for! Mine are from Sir Robert Walpole to the end of the Seven Years'
>War, and again from the death of Queen Victoria onwards.
Changing schools at the age of 13 means I studied the Industrial Revolution
twice, along with the southern continents. So not only do I have several
LHG but vast GG too. Does the National Curriculum stop this sort of thing
happening? Both were state schools within the same county.
Anne Burgess
>> But be God's mercies known,
>> From shore to shore!
>> Lord make the nations see,
>> That men should brothers be,
>> And form one family,
>> The wide world over.
>
> Very acceptable sentiments IMHO
Yes, that verse is indeed very acceptable. Wonder why it isn't used?
Anne B
Anne Burgess
> Revolution
> twice, along with the southern continents. So not only do I have several
> LHG but vast GG too. Does the National Curriculum stop this sort of thing
> happening? Both were state schools within the same county.
My school GG covers the whole of Europe apart from the British Isles, Asia,
South America, the USA, Africa from the Sahara northwards. OTOH I did
Africa-south-of-the-Sahara at least four times, and Australia twice. I can
still recall the sinking feeling when the teacher told us that the O level
syllabus for our year was Africa-south-of-the-Sahara yet again (and the
apologetic way she said it!)
I have been trying to remedy the defect ever since by practical methids,
i.e. going there.
Anne B
Tony Bryer
wrote:
> >> That men should brothers be,
> >> And form one family,
> >> The wide world over.
> >
> > Very acceptable sentiments IMHO
>
> isn't used?
At a guess the verse selection committee were less than sure
about the happy brotherhood of all mankind. After all we were
God's chosen people and they were ignorant savages, or nearer
home, "the rich man at his castle, the poor man at his gate:
God made them high and lowly and ordered their estate" to quote
Mrs Alexander.
--
Tony Bryer
Paradise Island Barchap
>Well it's a-one for de Monte
>Two for Rameau
>Three to get Reger
>Now go, László,
>And don't you
>Step on my blue suede Schütz
>You can do anything Glazunov them blue suede Schütz.
>
>Well you can knock Milhaud
>Step on Marais
>Slander Muñeira-ll over the place
>Do anything that you wanna Schu-
>Bert ah-ah Honnegger off-a them Schütz
>And don't you
>Step on my blue suede Schütz
>You can do anything Glazunov them blue suede Schütz.
*chortle*
You are Carl Perkins (the country-rock-singing newsreader) and I claim
my five cents.
--
mike at ellwoods org uk - Real mail here please. Edit appropriately.
Paradise Island Barchap
>>Speaking of artistic connections, there was an item on "Front Row"
>>recently about an exhibition (I think) of conductor's batons.
>>
>I am *always* getting into trouble for not waiting for FR: and this time
>it jolly well serves me right.
Mark Lawson used to annoy me, but I have grown quite fond of him.
I even read a novel by him recently. Had some very rude language in! :-)
Funny though, in a painful way. Forget the title, but it was obviously
(if loosely) based on his BBC experience.
>My music tutor was until he sustained a serious accident a conductor of
>opera and one of the things he always points out to us when we watch
>DVDs is the type of baton being used and *how* its being used. The sort
>of thing I certainly don't see without help: it just happens to be his
>'thing' of course. Different countries have their own ideas of which
>batons their nationals use.
The person on FR said that the baton was logically an extension of the
finger.
>>Apparently batons did not come in until relatively recently (well, early
>>19th C. I think), so authentic early music types don't use them.
>>
>Look Mr E: I tidied up the coffee table today for the first time since
>Christmas
I wish I could say the same about our kitchen table ...
>and put away the book I've finished about the Academy of St
>Martins' in the Fields.
>
>I shall go and find this if I can, Mr E.
You need some magic, Mrs McT!
Kim Andrews
<umra_n...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>Mark Lawson used to annoy me,
He still does me. I like FR with anybody else presenting.
>but I have grown quite fond of him.
>I even read a novel by him recently. Had some very rude language in! :-)
>Funny though, in a painful way. Forget the title, but it was obviously
>(if loosely) based on his BBC experience.
Was The Battle for Room Service him? Or is that a different Mark
Lawson?
--
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Julian Day
"Paradise Island Barchap" <umra_n...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:Pine.WNT.4.56.0...@harris.CIS.rl.ac.uk...
>
> The person on FR said that the baton was logically an extension of the
> finger.
Bet that's not what Freud would have said! :-)
J
Paradise Island Barchap
[I had written that:]
>>Mark Lawson used to annoy me,
>He still does me. I like FR with anybody else presenting.
Well, I do wish he would drop the "humorous" punny links, to be honest. I
much prefer the style of Tom Sutcliffe on the Saturday Review. He comes
over as sympathetic and with a sense of humour, but not at all laboured.
(His only fault IMO is the awkward "my thanks to my guests.." at the end.
I get the impression this is some formula they are told to use, and my
theory is that it is part of some strategy to emphasise the front-man of
any sort of chat programme (like when Jonathan Ross had to sack his
sidekick from his TV show, although not his radio show, fortunately)).
However, I think ML does a good interview, and usually strikes up a good
rapport with his interviewee.
>Was The Battle for Room Service him? Or is that a different Mark
>Lawson?
It does not ring a bell. I now look for ML's name casually, on the library
shelves, but I have not gone as far as looking him up in the catalogue.
(and our county library has now brought in internet access to the
catalogue, which is really brill. A long time coming mind, but I'm very
glad to have it. My Met Office contact tells me that Exeter (or Devon)
beat them to it, somewhat, but not by much. Hopefully, they all have it
now, or are getting it).
Penny
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:33:48 +0000, Paradise Island Barchap
><umra_n...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>
>>Mark Lawson used to annoy me,
>
>He still does me. I like FR with anybody else presenting.
>
>>but I have grown quite fond of him.
>>I even read a novel by him recently. Had some very rude language in! :-)
>>Funny though, in a painful way. Forget the title, but it was obviously
>>(if loosely) based on his BBC experience.
>
>Was The Battle for Room Service him? Or is that a different Mark
>Lawson?
"Going out live"?
Stephen
<to...@delme.sda.co.uk> :
Or in the words of Reginald Heber:
From Greenland’s icy mountains, from India’s coral strand;
Where Afric’s sunny fountains roll down their golden sand:
From many an ancient river, from many a palmy plain,
They call us to deliver their land from error’s chain.
What though the spicy breezes blow soft o’er Ceylon’s isle;
Though every prospect pleases, and only man is vile?
In vain with lavish kindness the gifts of God are strown;
The heathen in his blindness bows down to wood and stone.
chris mcmillan
Paradise Island Barchap <umra_n...@fastmail.fm> writes
>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, chris mcmillan wrote:
>
>>>Speaking of artistic connections, there was an item on "Front Row"
>>>recently about an exhibition (I think) of conductor's batons.
>>>
>>I am *always* getting into trouble for not waiting for FR: and this time
>>it jolly well serves me right.
>
>
>
>You need some magic, Mrs McT!
>
Sincerely Chris
--
chris mcmillan
Siderius Nuncius
"Kim Andrews" <som...@hotmail.com> wrote
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:33:48 +0000, Paradise Island Barchap wrote:
>>Mark Lawson used to annoy me,
>
> He still does me. I like FR with anybody else presenting.
Whereas I only really like it when ML presents it. He has his silly
foibles, I grant you, and his pronunciation of anything foreign is
wince-inducing, but he's a bright boy and I find him interesting and
incisive about most things. I also think he's fairly free of pretension,
and I usually like what he likes, which is a handy guide.
Is this what is meant by star-crossed lovers - the stars I like make you
cross, and vice versa?
Kim Andrews
<matron....@tesco.net> wrote:
>Whereas I only really like it when ML presents it. He has his silly
>foibles, I grant you, and his pronunciation of anything foreign is
>wince-inducing, but he's a bright boy and I find him interesting and
>incisive about most things. I also think he's fairly free of pretension,
>and I usually like what he likes, which is a handy guide.
This is rather shallow of me, but: the thing that I dislike the most,
is his voice. It really gets on my nerves. Grating, somehow. There,
I've admitted it.
>
>Is this what is meant by star-crossed lovers - the stars I like make you
>cross, and vice versa?
I think you're confusing it with stair-crossed lovers, where we end up
not being able to get together because the other one always leaves the
chair-lift in the wrong place.
Robin Fairbairns
because the great british public have difficulty in remembering one
verse: challenge them with even one more and the words trail off into
nothingness.
and yes, the tune _is_ dirge-like. britten wrote an arrangement which
i've heard just once (at a concert where britten was conducting); it
was really beautiful, but probably needed the high class choir it was
performed by that day. i'm for ever wondering why _that_ doesn't get
done.
(similarly, i've never heard his "voices for today" op.75 since
hearing it that first time in king's chapel. and i _know_ that
performance was recorded by decca, yet afaik has never been released
-- there was a time when i eagerly scanned every issue of the
gramaphone for it, but it's now coming up to 40 years since i heard
it... quoogling shows no sign of a recording, though it does seem to
be performed quite regularly.)
--
Robin (http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq) Fairbairns, Cambridge
Linda Fox
>and yes, the tune _is_ dirge-like. britten wrote an arrangement which
>i've heard just once (at a concert where britten was conducting); it
>was really beautiful, but probably needed the high class choir it was
>performed by that day. i'm for ever wondering why _that_ doesn't get
>done.
Actually if it really is by Lully, heard for the first time I'd think
it made quite an elegant minuet. Interesting that, dirge or not,
several other countries have adopted it (including the US).
I think the nicest National Anthem tune is the Dutch (now that the old
Soviet one is hors de combat). But the words are decidedly odd.
(Something like I am Willaim of Nassau, of Dutch blood, and I claim
allegiance to the King of Spain)
Honourable mention to the National Anthem of Oceania by Dominic
Muldowney from the film of 1984
lff
lff
Gumrat
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:52:14 -0000, "Siderius Nuncius"
> <matron....@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Whereas I only really like it when ML presents it. He has his silly
>>foibles, I grant you, and his pronunciation of anything foreign is
>>wince-inducing, but he's a bright boy and I find him interesting and
>>incisive about most things. I also think he's fairly free of pretension,
>>and I usually like what he likes, which is a handy guide.
>
>
> This is rather shallow of me, but: the thing that I dislike the most,
> is his voice. It really gets on my nerves. Grating, somehow. There,
> I've admitted it.
Yep. MTAAW - I can't listen to his voice, even if I'm aware that he has
interesting things to say..
>>Is this what is meant by star-crossed lovers - the stars I like make you
>>cross, and vice versa?
>
>
> I think you're confusing it with stair-crossed lovers, where we end up
> not being able to get together because the other one always leaves the
> chair-lift in the wrong place.
>
:-))) I'll give you a Stenna for it (oh, maybe not..)
--
All the best,
Anne, Exceedingly Traditionally Built Gumrat.
Michael Parry
<lind...@ntlworld.com> writes
>I think the nicest National Anthem tune is the Dutch (now that the old
>Soviet one is hors de combat).
If you mean the one the USSR used from 1944 to 1992, it is now back, for
Russia, although with rather different words.
There are lots of versions at http://www.vad1.com/anthems including the
Internationale, used from 1918 to 1944.
--
Michael Parry
'The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret'
(Terry Pratchett, The Truth)
Kim Andrews
>
>because the great british public have difficulty in remembering one
>verse: challenge them with even one more and the words trail off into
>nothingness.
Bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy though, isn't it? As a member of the
great British public, I'd have to say that nobody's ever tried to
teach me the words of the anthem, and nobody's ever spelled out for me
which bits I'm supposed to know, which sing, which ignore, what order.
So everything I know about singing the anthem has been picked up as I
go along, by singing the anthem. Maybe we should add it to the
National Curriculum? ;o)
badriya
wrote:
>On 18 Feb 2005 23:41:54 GMT, r...@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) wrote:
>
>>
>>because the great british public have difficulty in remembering one
>>verse: challenge them with even one more and the words trail off into
>>nothingness.
>
>Bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy though, isn't it? As a member of the
>great British public, I'd have to say that nobody's ever tried to
>teach me the words of the anthem, and nobody's ever spelled out for me
>which bits I'm supposed to know, which sing, which ignore, what order.
>So everything I know about singing the anthem has been picked up as I
>go along, by singing the anthem. Maybe we should add it to the
>National Curriculum? ;o)
I have a vague recollection of being taught it in primary school, but
I was born in 1945 and so would have been in school for the
coronation. And also I think we celebrated Empire Day at that time
too. I remember for some day we made paper boat and the teacher put
chocolate fingers in the funnels for us to eat. I think the verses I
know would have been learned then.
I think we only learned 1 and 3.
Vicky
--
Rosalind Mitchell
> Honourable mention to the National Anthem of Oceania by Dominic
> Muldowney from the film of 1984
My understanding was that the national anthem of Oceania was 'Oceania,
'tis of thee' - we don't hear the rest of the words but the second line
was presumably 'sweet land of liberty', and set to a tune by (we are led
to believe) Lully.
Rosie
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Anne Burgess
>> I think you're confusing it with stair-crossed lovers, where we end up
>> not being able to get together because the other one always leaves the
>> chair-lift in the wrong place.
> :-))) I'll give you a Stenna for it (oh, maybe not..)
I don't Sea link there ....
Anne B
Linda Fox
wrote:
>Bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy though, isn't it? As a member of the
>great British public, I'd have to say that nobody's ever tried to
>teach me the words of the anthem, and nobody's ever spelled out for me
>which bits I'm supposed to know, which sing, which ignore, what order.
>So everything I know about singing the anthem has been picked up as I
>go along, by singing the anthem. Maybe we should add it to the
>National Curriculum? ;o)
I did teach it to the juniors a couple of years ago because their
spring production was The Royal Command Performance to celebrate the
jubilee, with a sort of collage of singing, dancing anc acting to
represent important things about each of the five decades.
"Now, come on, what's the next line? It rhymes. Send her
_vic-TORIOUS_, happy and... it rhymes..."
"I know, miss. Furious!"
Loved it. Wanted to keep it in.
lff
Guy Morgan
<anne.a...@btinternet.com> writes
Guy
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Linda Fox
<rcmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Linda Fox wrote:
>> Honourable mention to the National Anthem of Oceania by Dominic
>> Muldowney from the film of 1984
>
>My understanding was that the national anthem of Oceania was 'Oceania,
>'tis of thee' - we don't hear the rest of the words but the second line
>was presumably 'sweet land of liberty', and set to a tune by (we are led
>to believe) Lully.
>
That doesn't seem to appear in the 1984 film of 1984. (I'm talking
about the fictional Oceania here, of course, the one that was always
at war with either Eurasia or Eastasia and at peace with the other,
and whenever it changed, that's the way it had always been - that one)
Muldowney's doesn't seem to have any words until the near the end, and
I'm not sure what they were (apartt from "Oceania"). But I thought it
was a very carefully written tune, every step of the melody and
harmony calculated for effect. It appears at the end of the two
minutes' hate (or however long it is) and starts a bit like that oboe
theme from the second movement of Brahms violin concerto, the tune
that violinists love :o) I discovered (through an escellent book on
the subject) years ago that there's a subtle language to the shape of
melody and rhythm and harmony, and was doing the "calculations" on
this one even as I listened to it in the cinema (I can be a bit of an
anorak about these things sometimes) and sang it to myself on the way
home. I _think_ I got it right.
E C G CBA BC D F EDC ACE DCD
(you go down to the third note and then back up)
but without the subtleties of a few dotted notes and the choice of
chords that doesn't really convey it.
lff
Robin Fairbairns
>On 18 Feb 2005 23:41:54 GMT, r...@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) wrote:
>>because the great british public have difficulty in remembering one
>>verse: challenge them with even one more and the words trail off into
>>nothingness.
>
>Bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy though, isn't it? As a member of the
>great British public, I'd have to say that nobody's ever tried to
>teach me the words of the anthem,
you haven't _lived_, m'dear. perhaps it's because you're so _young_...
>and nobody's ever spelled out for me
>which bits I'm supposed to know, which sing, which ignore, what order.
>So everything I know about singing the anthem has been picked up as I
>go along, by singing the anthem. Maybe we should add it to the
>National Curriculum? ;o)
would it not be a good idea for the whole set of national anthems, for
every country of the union? after all, we all know that teachers have
little else to do with their time...
Anne Burgess
> every country of the union? after all, we all know that teachers have
> little else to do with their time...
Do the constituent countries of the union actually *have* official national
anthems? I know Scotland doesn't because there is supposed to be a public
discussion going on about what it should be.
(Just as long as they*W*W*W* we don't choose 'Flower of Scotland' or 'Scots
Wha Hae' with their dirge-like tunes and unsuitable content or the ghastly
hackneyed 'Scotland the Brave')
Anne
Linda Fox
>would it not be a good idea for the whole set of national anthems, for
>every country of the union? after all, we all know that teachers have
>little else to do with their time...
Yeah sure :o)
I'm trying to build it in to KS2 singing even as I type this.
We'll do the US one first: And the rockets' red glare, the bombs
bursting in air. Oh no, that's not in the union, is it?
OK, then we'll progress to the French: Marchons! Qu'un sang impur
abbreuve nos sillons.
And then the Dutch, pledging allegiance to the King of Spain.
We can do Y viva Espana for Spain, and Just One Cornetto for Italy,
and when Turkey eventually joins we can do something about Christmas
dinner. And that will make us Hungary. And some 60s pop for Luxemburg.
And Deutschland Uber Allies as Peter Sellers used to call it.
I'm waffling, aren't I? Must focus...
Actually the "whole set of anthems" thing is an interesting idea,
though maybe not for singing, they do Citizenship now, so someone else
can do it. Are there any "official" English words to the Ode to Joy?
Several of them can play it, though they probably don't know what it
is.
lff
Linda Fox
I took this to mean the European Union. I don't think we generally
refer to the UK as "the union" nowadays, do we? Or have I got that
wrong?
lff
Rosalind Mitchell
> And some 60s pop for Luxemburg.
But it has to be full of crackles and whistles and keep going out of
tune. And it will be cut off after a minute for a Horace Batchelor
commercial.
Anne Burgess
> refer to the UK as "the union" nowadays, do we? Or have I got that
> wrong?
I took it to be the United Kingdom. I don't usually refer to either as 'the
union'. I refer to the United Kingdom as the UK and the European Union as
the EU
Bit like 'the North-East', really. Ambiguous, and therefore to be avoided.
I shall continue to specify which union I mean in future, just as I shall
continue to specify which 'North-East' I mean. I hope others will do
likewise.
Which 'union' *did* you mean, Robin??
Anne B
Jenny M Benson
<rcmit...@gmail.com> writes
>> And some 60s pop for Luxemburg.
>
>But it has to be full of crackles and whistles and keep going out of
>tune. And it will be cut off after a minute for a Horace Batchelor
>commercial.
That's K E Y ...
--
Jenny
"I always like to have the morning well-aired before I get up."
(Beau Brummel, 1778-1840)
Robin Fairbairns
the eu: the uk is made up of two countries, a principality and a
province. if i had meant the uk, i'ld have said "both countries".
sorry about the ambiguity: given that i work in an environment where
every other teaching officer seems to be seeking funding from the eu,
it feels a natural usage to me.
Anne Burgess
>
> the eu: the uk is made up of two countries, a principality and a
> province. if i had meant the uk, i'ld have said "both countries".
A 'national' anthem applies to a 'nation'. There are four 'nations' in the
UK. The exact status of the pieces of land they happen to occupy is
irrelevant; it does not affect their claim to be a 'nation'.
> sorry about the ambiguity: given that i work in an environment where
> every other teaching officer seems to be seeking funding from the eu,
> it feels a natural usage to me.
Well when I was at work 'the union' meant the trade union to which we mostly
had to belong.
Anne B
chris mcmillan
<r...@cl.cam.ac.uk> writes
> Kim Andrews <som...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>On 18 Feb 2005 23:41:54 GMT, r...@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) wrote:
>>>because the great british public have difficulty in remembering one
>>>verse: challenge them with even one more and the words trail off into
>>>nothingness.
>every country of the union?
>
Asia round here. :-)
>
>after all, we all know that teachers have
>little else to do with their time...
I'm glad it was you that said that, not me. :-)
chris mcmillan
written down.
Sincerely Chris (clearly reading the wrong adverts or needs to get a
life)
>Anne B
>
>
--
chris mcmillan
Anne Burgess
>>>> I think you're confusing it with stair-crossed lovers, where we end up
>>>> not being able to get together because the other one always leaves the
>>>> chair-lift in the wrong place.
>>
>>> :-))) I'll give you a Stenna for it (oh, maybe not..)
>>
>>I don't Sea link there ....
>>
> Stannah Gumrat means. But I don't suppose Gumrat's ever seen this written
> down.
>
> Sincerely Chris (clearly reading the wrong adverts or needs to get a
> life)
Well, I've was recalling adverts for Stena Sealink, who (used to?) operate
many of the cross-channel ferry services :-)
Anne B
Gumrat
I was evidently muddled and combining the stairlift with a tenner for a
trip by Sea Link.. :-))
Siderius Nuncius
"Anne Burgess" <anne.a...@btinternet.com> wrote
> Just as long as they*W*W*W* we don't choose 'Flower of Scotland'
Actually, I *love* FoS. I know it's....well...unflattering to English chaps
like me, but it's a cracking tune, I think. What I can't abide, though, is
when the band at an away match plays the phrase "..tae think again" as
though
it were in a major key with "think" a semitone sharp, rather than the modal
phrase that was actually written.
That nice lff will be along in a moment to explain properly.
--
Sid
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