Borsetshire Railway Network?
Graham Fitt
Does anyone know anything about the Railway Network around Ambridge?
The only Railway Station in Borsetshire I've ever heard mention of is
Hollerton Junction. Do Borchester and Felpersham have stations as well?
If so why does no one appear to use them?
The only other thing I know about Hollerton, apart from the fact it has a
Railway Station, is that it has/had a Fire Station as well, because that's
where the Fire Brigade came from when Grace was killed in the Grey Gables
stable fire. The fact that Hollerton is a junction implies that there
are/were two railway lines there. I suppose that one line could have
closed at some time, possibly during the Beeching Cuts of the early 1960s.
Was this ever mentioned in the serial? The cuts were big news at the time.
I'm sure that I've heard mention of or seen on a map an abandoned line on
the outskirts of Ambridge.
I picture Hollerton as being an old Great Western station. At one time it
had cattle pens and a small goods yard, but these were converted into a
carpark long ago. Up until the 1950s Milk Trains ran to Birmingham, but
now only commuter trains run on the mainly singled track from Hollerton to
Birmingham New Street. These are aging Diesel Multiple Units, which
replaced the old Push-Pull Steam Trains in the mid 1960s. Where do trains
run to in the other direction though? Or is Hollerton Junction now a
terminus?
It is difficult to build up a history of Borsetshire's Railways, as so
little is known about them. At the Grouping was the Gloucestershire,
Borsetshire and Worcestershire Railway (GBWR) absorbed into the GWR or the
LMS? At Nationalisation did it become part of BR's Western Region or
Midland Region. Who now holds the franchise to run trains through
Hollerton?
If one really wants to fantasise (anorakise?) about it then there are all
sorts of questions to be asked. If one travels from Ambridge to London by
train which terminus do you arrive at? Euston or Paddington? Were there
ever locomotives named "County of Borsetshire" or "City of Felpersham".
Did the "Ploughman's Express" run from Borchester to Liverpoool with
coaches for Manchester? Are there any prevserved Steam Lines in
Borsetshire? etc. etc.
Anyone got any definite "facts" based on references in actual episodes?
Graham
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junction. We know this because Jack Wolley once suggested that there
might be a campaign to re-open the branch; this was taken up with
annoying gusto by the editor of (his) Borchester Echo in numerous silly
leader pieces.
I bet that Hollerton Jk is somewhere near Banbury, and henced served by
Thames Trains to Paddington/New St, Chiltern/Central to Marylebone/Snow
Hill and Virgin to Bornmouth/Manchester Picc. Pre Grouping the shares
in the Borchester & Hollerton Railway (BHR) were split between teh GWR,
the Lawson-Hopes, the Pargitters and various Birmingham capitalists.
rja.ca...@mailexcite.com
In article <01bd4deb$f1beab60$LocalHost@default>,
"Graham Fitt" <Graha...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know anything about the Railway Network around Ambridge?
According to The Book there is IIRC a Borsetshire steam rail preservation
society. I think it says that Jack Wooley and Tony(?) spent some time
playing with one, then donated it to the society after an eventful attempt to
run it themselves. Would someone like to confirm and/or clarify this? I
can't bring my Book to the computer before Monday.
Robert Carnegie, South Lanarkshire Education Computer Support Unit
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One of the (many) Archers books I have says that Hollerton Junction is on
the main Paddington-Hereford line. It also gives a time for the journey
from Hollerton to Paddington which I can't remember but I think is around
2 hours. I would guess it is also a junction with a line to Birmingham.
On 12 Mar 1998, Graham Fitt wrote:
>
> Does anyone know anything about the Railway Network around Ambridge?
<snip>
>
> I picture Hollerton as being an old Great Western station. At one time it
> had cattle pens and a small goods yard, but these were converted into a
> carpark long ago. Up until the 1950s Milk Trains ran to Birmingham, but
> now only commuter trains run on the mainly singled track from Hollerton to
> Birmingham New Street. These are aging Diesel Multiple Units, which
> replaced the old Push-Pull Steam Trains in the mid 1960s. Where do trains
> run to in the other direction though? Or is Hollerton Junction now a
> terminus?
>
> It is difficult to build up a history of Borsetshire's Railways, as so
> little is known about them. At the Grouping was the Gloucestershire,
> Borsetshire and Worcestershire Railway (GBWR) absorbed into the GWR or the
> LMS? At Nationalisation did it become part of BR's Western Region or
> Midland Region. Who now holds the franchise to run trains through
> Hollerton?
<snip>
> Anyone got any definite "facts" based on references in actual episodes?
> Graham
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>
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Niles
Pat Hanby <vlsh...@reading.ac.uk> wrote:
~
~One of the (many) Archers books I have says that Hollerton Junction is on
~the main Paddington-Hereford line. It also gives a time for the journey
~from Hollerton to Paddington which I can't remember but I think is around
~2 hours. I would guess it is also a junction with a line to Birmingham.
I don't think anyone could call it a "main" line. Most of it is single
track. It's a very infrequent service (Something like three trains a day,
e/w), and moist [stet] commuters would be better served by changing at
Newport (Gwent). Rather prosaically named, though - the Three Cathedrals
Express - ie Hereford, Worcester and Somewhere Close to London. I don't
remember ever having stopped off at Borsetshire.
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K Richard Whitbread
In article <6eb7m2$7ih$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
rja.ca...@mailexcite.com writes
>In article <01bd4deb$f1beab60$LocalHost@default>,
> "Graham Fitt" <Graha...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know anything about the Railway Network around Ambridge?
>
>society. I think it says that Jack Wooley and Tony(?) spent some time
>playing with one, then donated it to the society after an eventful attempt to
>run it themselves. Would someone like to confirm and/or clarify this? I
>can't bring my Book to the computer before Monday.
>
>Robert Carnegie, South Lanarkshire Education Computer Support Unit
of the "Empress of Ambridge" along the Ambridge Park Railway through
Bellamy Halt and Woolley Central would imply a significant length of
track. The champagne exploded startling the driver and later Tony as
fireman suffered problems running into the buffers. It was taken over
the Borchester Railway Society but I do not recall it ever being removed
from the Park. Jeck was the stationmaster.
As to the original query I believe that although still called Hollerton
Junction it is a simple through station now and there has been no
evidence in recent years of railway services anywhere other than
Hollerton.
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>Graham Fitt wrote:
>> I picture Hollerton as being an old Great Western station. At one time it
>> had cattle pens and a small goods yard, but these were converted into a
>> carpark long ago.
>> It is difficult to build up a history of Borsetshire's Railways, as so
>> little is known about them. At the Grouping was the Gloucestershire,
>> Borsetshire and Worcestershire Railway (GBWR) absorbed into the GWR or the
>> LMS? At Nationalisation did it become part of BR's Western Region or
>> Midland Region. Who now holds the franchise to run trains through
>> Hollerton?
There is known to have been a London & North Western/L&MSR branch
in Borsetshire, terminating at Lakey Hill - see Railway Modeller
November 1997 for details.
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Angela Gawthrop
In article <54CJhGA6...@studyroom.demon.co.uk>, K Richard Whitbread
<richard....@studyroom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>1972 according to the book but it did not last long. The initial trip
>of the "Empress of Ambridge"
Large, black and portly?
>along the Ambridge Park Railway through
>Bellamy Halt and Woolley Central would imply a significant length of
>track. The champagne exploded startling the driver and later Tony as
>fireman suffered problems running into the buffers.
What gauge was it? I don't remember back that far, but had assumed that it
would be 7.25" or thereabouts; it must however have been fairly
substantial for the locos to have had a fireman as well as a driver.
> It was taken over
>the Borchester Railway Society but I do not recall it ever being removed
>from the Park. Jeck was the stationmaster.
With top hat and tails?
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K Richard Whitbread <richard....@studyroom.demon.co.uk> told uk.media.radio.archers:
> fireman suffered problems running into the buffers.
Must be what computer-security-type people call a "buffer overflow".
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Brenda Selwyn
>Pat Hanby <vlsh...@reading.ac.uk> wrote:
>One of the (many) Archers books I have says that Hollerton Junction is on
>the main Paddington-Hereford line. It also gives a time for the journey
>from Hollerton to Paddington which I can't remember but I think is around
>2 hours. I would guess it is also a junction with a line to Birmingham.
I think this confirms what we have deduced from other information,
i.e. that the fold in the space-time continuum (sp???) containing
Ambridge and associated settlements is located near Evesham.
Brenda
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Keith William Lucas
Ted Richardson wrote:
>
>...
> Borchester had a short branch from Hollerton Junction, hence the
> junction. We know this because Jack Wolley once suggested that there
> might be a campaign to re-open the branch; this was taken up with
Hey, script writers, are you listening? It's not an uncommon rural
theme. How big is Borchester, by the way?
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One after one; the sound of rain, and bees
Murmuring; the fall of rivers, winds and seas,
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Sleepless!" (Wordsworth)
rja.ca...@mailexcite.com
In article <a.gawthrop-16...@j-dow2.molgen.gla.ac.uk>,
a.gaw...@bio.gla.ac.uk (Angela Gawthrop) wrote:
>
> In article <54CJhGA6...@studyroom.demon.co.uk>, K Richard Whitbread
> <richard....@studyroom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >1972 according to the book but it did not last long. The initial trip
> >of the "Empress of Ambridge"
>
> Large, black and portly?
>
> >along the Ambridge Park Railway through
> >Bellamy Halt and Woolley Central would imply a significant length of
"Scalding his back", perhaps causing him to play no further part? (I found
my Book now.)
> >and later Tony as
> >fireman suffered problems running into the buffers.
Because "the points got stuck".
>
> What gauge was it? I don't remember back that far, but had assumed that it
> would be 7.25" or thereabouts; it must however have been fairly
> substantial for the locos to have had a fireman as well as a driver.
In the absence of definite knowledge, we may suppose that Tony was on the
footplate hoping for the chance to take over and drive. He was 20-21 at the
time (d.o.b. per Book).
> > It was taken over
> >the Borchester Railway Society but I do not recall it ever being removed
> >from the Park. Jeck was the stationmaster.
>
> With top hat and tails?
>
"With smart new uniform" and a whistle. But was it as much fun as hosting
a shoot in full tweeds?
Robert Carnegie, South Lanarkshire Education Computer Support Unit
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Keith Lucas asked. Well, we know of one (1) secondary school there -
if that's all, then unless most people either don't reproduce or else
send their kids to boarding school, that implies it isn't so large.
I don't recall hearing any parents discussing which school they should
send the offspring to. It's always Borchester Green.
OTOH BG may be on the outskirts of Borchester nearest to Ambridge, and
there could be more than one other secondary school in the town.
Come to think, how much custom is required to support a store like
Underwood's? My mental image of it resembles Glasgow's department stores,
of course, but this may be seriously oversized.
Peter Hesketh
In article <6ejp72$hld$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
rja.ca...@mailexcite.com writes
>Come to think, how much custom is required to support a store like
>Underwood's? My mental image of it resembles Glasgow's department stores,
>of course, but this may be seriously oversized.
Chepstow has an independent department store, but I feel that Borchester
is bigger than Chepstow.
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Chris McMillan
In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.98031...@suma3.reading.ac.uk>,
Pat Hanby <URL:mailto:vlsh...@reading.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> One of the (many) Archers books I have says that Hollerton Junction is on
> the main Paddington-Hereford line.
Oh yeah? Someone had a good imagination.
It also gives a time for the journey > from Hollerton to Paddington
which I can't remember but I think is around 2 hours. I would guess it is
also a junction with a line to Birmingham.
Hmm. Well, as a junction for Brum: Worcester Foregate Street fits the bill -
but two hours to Padd? No way - not the number of times it goes to sleep.
When that was written it couldn't have been expected umra would ever exist.
Sincerely, Chris
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The message <350D3E...@aber.ac.uk>
from Keith William Lucas <k...@aber.ac.uk> contains these words:
> Hey, script writers, are you listening? It's not an uncommon rural
> theme.
Spooky! It's been on the go for some years down yer. Hopefully with
the publication of a consultants report next week the idea of
reopening the local line will soon be filed under "W" for WPB.
B.
Mary Kemp
In article <6ejp72$hld$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
<URL:mailto:rja.ca...@mailexcite.com> wrote:
>
> Come to think, how much custom is required to support a store like
> Underwood's? My mental image of it resembles Glasgow's department stores,
> of course, but this may be seriously oversized.
>
No, no. More like Rutherfords in Morpeth. Almost exactly the same size, and
stocking the same type of goods.
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Brenda Selwyn
>Mary Kemp <ma...@marykemp.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <6ejp72$hld$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>No, no. More like Rutherfords in Morpeth. Almost exactly the same size, and
>stocking the same type of goods.
Or Robbs in Hexham (to which my parents seem to be frequent visitors)
possibly? Hexham isn't exactly huge.
>rja.ca...@mailexcite.com wrote:
>Keith Lucas asked. Well, we know of one (1) secondary school there -
>if that's all, then unless most people either don't reproduce or else
>send their kids to boarding school, that implies it isn't so large.
>I don't recall hearing any parents discussing which school they should
>send the offspring to. It's always Borchester Green.
>OTOH BG may be on the outskirts of Borchester nearest to Ambridge, and
>there could be more than one other secondary school in the town.
This is a possibility, though unless Borchester Green is a very good
school, you'd probably still get people trying to get their kids into
one of the others. Alternatively Borchester Green could be a very
large school (1500 - 2000 pupils) possibly split over two or more
sites. The market town in which I was brought up (Wantage, pop about
7000 at that time, no department store) had three comprehensive
schools at the time I was there, each with about 600 pupils from the
town and surrounding villages. A few years ago the three schools were
amalgamated under one name but the three sites were kept. I think two
sites were the junior (age 11-14) and one senior schools or something
but I'm not sure. There's a girls' school in Bath which is split
across two sites in that way. It certainly must keep the teachers on
their toes:-)
Anyway, I imagine Borchester as rather like Wantage but a bit bigger -
population 12000 or so perhaps?
rja.ca...@mailexcite.com
In article <ant17001...@marykemp.demon.co.uk>,
Mary Kemp <ma...@marykemp.demon.co.uk> quoted me:
> >
> > Come to think, how much custom is required to support a store like
> > Underwood's? My mental image of it resembles Glasgow's department stores,
> > of course, but this may be seriously oversized.
> >
>
> stocking the same type of goods.
So, Mary, Peter - how many square feet of retail space are we talking about
here?
(Mind you, I'd have research to do on the sizes of the Glasgow stores I'm
thinking of, if we wanted to compare notes.)
C.J.Wallace
In article <350DB2...@which.net>, Helen P <pear...@which.net> wrote:
>I'm glad I am not the only one who has been fretting over the enigmatic
>Underwoods.
[snip]
>But most provincial towns are uni-towns now aren't they, with Debenhams,
>Body Shop, M&S, Dolcis etc etc so I'm surprised and delighted to find
>that an "independent" store survives. I would have expected the Archers
>and Aldridges to shop in a Borchester John Lewis, and the Tuckers and
>Carters to shop at Underwoods, a smaller version of Debenhams, and not
>doing so well either.
Maybe it's like Brown's of Chester. Used to be independent, has now
been taken over by Debenhams, but still maintains the name in order to remain
a little more classy, and to allow people like me to tell people I got
my Conran suit from Brown's, when it's really one of his mass-market
collection for Debenhams (still jolly nice though, but I like to pretend
I'm one of the beautiful people from time to time!)
Chloe
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George Middleton
Mary Kemp wrote:
>More like Rutherfords in Morpeth.
Morpeth. One of those placenames that belong in Middle Earth. Like the
river Erewash.
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Rose-Ann Movsovic
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Helen P wrote:
> But most provincial towns are uni-towns now aren't they, with Debenhams,
> Body Shop, M&S, Dolcis etc etc so I'm surprised and delighted to find
> that an "independent" store survives. I would have expected the Archers
> and Aldridges to shop in a Borchester John Lewis, and the Tuckers and
> Carters to shop at Underwoods, a smaller version of Debenhams, and not
> doing so well either.
I'm not sure what being a university town has to do with it, but
Underwoods could easily be a branch of John Lewis. The Reading John Lewis
is called Heelas and I'm sure that's how most people refer to it. And
everyone shops there, not just the local Jenniffffers, even though there
are other department stores (including one which makes Grace Bros seem
modern).
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In article <350d189d....@news.demon.co.uk>,
bre...@matson.demon.co.uk (Brenda Selwyn) wrote:
> I think this confirms what we have deduced from other information,
> i.e. that the fold in the space-time continuum (sp???) containing
> Ambridge and associated settlements is located near Evesham.
>
Yes! (I know I'm biased because I was born and brought up there.)
Someone else besides me who thinks it is Evesham. Do you also equate Lakey
Hill with Bredon?
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In article <12...@snipe.ukc.ac.uk>,
C.J.Wallace <cj...@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:
> t I like to pretend
> I'm one of the beautiful people from time to time!)
What's with this "pretending" Chloe?
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rja.ca...@mailexcite.com
In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980317...@suma3.reading.ac.uk>,
Rose-Ann Movsovic <vlsm...@reading.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Helen P wrote:
>
> > But most provincial towns are uni-towns now aren't they, with Debenhams,
> > Body Shop, M&S, Dolcis etc etc so I'm surprised and delighted to find
> > that an "independent" store survives. I would have expected the Archers
> > and Aldridges to shop in a Borchester John Lewis, and the Tuckers and
> > Carters to shop at Underwoods, a smaller version of Debenhams, and not
> > doing so well either.
>
> I'm not sure what being a university town has to do with it, but
> Underwoods could easily be a branch of John Lewis. The Reading John Lewis
> is called Heelas and I'm sure that's how most people refer to it. And
> everyone shops there, not just the local Jenniffffers, even though there
> are other department stores (including one which makes Grace Bros seem
> modern).
So Borchester could be the same size as Reading(?)
(But I think Helen meant that Borchester probably now has Universal Town
Centre shops like M&S, MacDonalds, etc. that Bill Bryson so disliked in
"Notes From A Small Island", for their architectural vandalism as much as
anything else.)
Andy Robts
>Come to think, how much custom is required to support a store like
>Underwood's? My mental image of it resembles Glasgow's department stores,
>of course, but this may be seriously oversized.
>
It's like a smallish Debenhams. In fact that company probably took it over
5 years ago and changed the name too but Jeniffer & co are such creatures
of habit, they can't cope with change so they still refer to it as Underwoods.
Andy R
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chris harrison
Rose-Ann Movsovic wrote:
> I'm not sure what being a university town has to do with it, but
> Underwoods could easily be a branch of John Lewis. The Reading John Lewis
> is called Heelas and I'm sure that's how most people refer to it. And
> everyone shops there, not just the local Jenniffffers, even though there
> are other department stores (including one which makes Grace Bros seem
> modern).
Nice idea, but the John Lewis stores don't, AFAIK, have food halls, the
foodie shops are Waitrose and while they're just the types to go for the
organic stuff in a big way, they do trade as a single entity.
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Paul
Glynn & Kathy Greenwood <gw...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <12...@snipe.ukc.ac.uk>,
> C.J.Wallace <cj...@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:
>> t I like to pretend
>> I'm one of the beautiful people from time to time!)
>
>What's with this "pretending" Chloe?
>
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Helen P wrote in message <350DB2...@which.net>...
>rja.ca...@mailexcite.com wrote:
>
>I'm glad I am not the only one who has been fretting over the enigmatic
>Underwoods.
>But most provincial towns are uni-towns now aren't they, with Debenhams,
>Body Shop, M&S, Dolcis etc etc so I'm surprised and delighted to find
>that an "independent" store survives.
It might not be independent. Kendals in Manchester is part of House of
Fraser and Browns of Chester is part of Debenhams.
What's very odd is that there's not a Marks and Spencer in Borchester or
that nobody in Ambridge ever goes to it. Aberystwyth doesn't have a M&S
because it's too far from anywhere, but I can't really see that applying to
Borchester.
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C.J.Wallace
In article <g4b71IAJ...@larkhall.co.uk>,
Paul <pa...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Glynn & Kathy Greenwood <gw...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>In article <12...@snipe.ukc.ac.uk>,
>> C.J.Wallace <cj...@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> t I like to pretend
>>> I'm one of the beautiful people from time to time!)
>>
>>What's with this "pretending" Chloe?
>>
>Bloody hell, what a creep;-)
I am, of course, devastatingly attractive.
However, by beautiful people I mean those who spend 2 hours a week
getting their hair done, who have perfectly manicured nails, never
get ice cream down their front and spend their entire disposable
income on designer clothes.
This I am not.
Niles
Peter Hesketh <p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
~In article <6ejp72$hld$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
~rja.ca...@mailexcite.com writes
~>Come to think, how much custom is required to support a store like
~>Underwood's? My mental image of it resembles Glasgow's department
stores,
~>of course, but this may be seriously oversized.
~
~Chepstow has an independent department store, but I feel that Borchester
~is bigger than Chepstow.
Hereford has an independent department store, but I find making
unqualified size judgements sometimes causes offece ;)
--
Niles
Size matters.
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> Aberystwyth doesn't have a M&S
>because it's too far from anywhere, but I can't really see that applying to
>Borchester.
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Jim Easterbrook
In article <13...@snipe.ukc.ac.uk>, C.J.Wallace (cj...@ukc.ac.uk) wrote:
>In article <g4b71IAJ...@larkhall.co.uk>,
>Paul <pa...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Glynn & Kathy Greenwood <gw...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>In article <12...@snipe.ukc.ac.uk>,
>>> C.J.Wallace <cj...@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> t I like to pretend
>>>> I'm one of the beautiful people from time to time!)
>>>
>>>What's with this "pretending" Chloe?
>>>
>>Bloody hell, what a creep;-)
>
>I am, of course, devastatingly attractive.
I'm prepared to take your word on that.
>However, by beautiful people I mean those who spend 2 hours a week
>getting their hair done, who have perfectly manicured nails, never
>get ice cream down their front and spend their entire disposable
>income on designer clothes.
I thought that was the definition of "bimbo".
>This I am not.
*We* know you spend your entire disposable income on chocolate. (-:
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Iain Archer
C.J.Wallace wrote on Tue, 17 Mar 1998
>However, by beautiful people I mean those who spend 2 hours a week
>getting their hair done, who have perfectly manicured nails, never
>get ice cream down their front and spend their entire disposable
>income on designer clothes.
Ah, you mean the type that aren't worth looking at twice?
You do also realise that in Olden Times beautiful people tended to wear
dirndls and beads, loved everybody, had beautiful souls and serene
minds, and really understood, like?
--
Iain Archer i...@montaigne.demon appended_to .co.uk
Brenda Selwyn
>jo...@graylab.ac.uk (Helen Johns) wrote:
>Yes! (I know I'm biased because I was born and brought up there.)
>Someone else besides me who thinks it is Evesham. Do you also equate Lakey
>Hill with Bredon?
I don't know that area at all so it's difficult to comment. However,
I think it's a waste of time trying to equate settlements and
geographical features with real ones as I have tried it before and it
doesn't work. It has been suggested before that Borchester is Evesham
(or vice versa) but I'm not convinced of this either. I think it's
best to say that Borsetshire is simply in that sort of part of the
world.
A R BREEN
In article <6em96u$8i6$1...@info1.lancs.ac.uk>,
Andrew Stevenson <A.Ste...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
>What's very odd is that there's not a Marks and Spencer in Borchester or
>because it's too far from anywhere
Wrong, I'm afraid.
There isn't a Marks & Spencer's shop in Aberystwyth because:
(a) M&S have a policy of one shop only in any area with a certain
threshold population (can't remember what the population threshold
was, but mid-Wales only rated one M&S)
(b) M&S were holding out for substantial rent concessions from
the council (Aberystwyth council owns almost all the shop freeholds
within the old town boundaries) and the council wouldn't play - this
was 1960s or early 70s, IIRC.
(c) There is a M&S elsewhere within the mid/west Wales area.
Carmarthen, IIRC.
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C.J.Wallace
In article <53njkEAf...@montaigne.demon.co.uk>,
Iain Archer <i...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>C.J.Wallace wrote on Tue, 17 Mar 1998
>>However, by beautiful people I mean those who spend 2 hours a week
>>getting their hair done, who have perfectly manicured nails, never
>>get ice cream down their front and spend their entire disposable
>>income on designer clothes.
>
>Ah, you mean the type that aren't worth looking at twice?
Them's'll be the ones.
The ones whose entire conversation is focused around whether lilac
is the new black (is it, incidentally? Marks and Sparks in Canterbury
seem to think so) and whether they can possibly get away with wearing
that Alaia frock at 2 parties this year( I actually overheard this
conversation in Harvey Nicks once).
>You do also realise that in Olden Times beautiful people tended to wear
>dirndls and beads, loved everybody, had beautiful souls and serene
>minds, and really understood, like?
Ah. I'm not one of them either, sadly.:-(
I don't understand anything
Robin Fairbairns
In article <70AdWLA9...@putz.demon.co.uk>,
>>Borchester.
>
>Tottenham doesn't have a M&S, but that's 'cos it's a dump
but tottenham's the gateway to the north, or sumpfink, isn't it?
cambridge has two ms&ss. whether they're under separate management i
don't know (one of them has all the gurly things in it except (!)
underwear and the other has the rest of clothingy stuff, + food.
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Home page: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rf/robin.html
Simon Townley
> In article <53njkEAf...@montaigne.demon.co.uk>,
> Iain Archer <i...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >You do also realise that in Olden Times beautiful people tended to wear
> >dirndls and beads, loved everybody, had beautiful souls and serene
> >minds, and really understood, like?
> Ah. I'm not one of them either, sadly.:-(
It's not sad at all, when you realise that 'dirndls and beads' was in fact
a typo for 'dirndls and beards'.
These olden oaty-floaty people may have had beautiful souls and serene
minds, but no-one ever got close enough to find out. Strangers to the
soap, the lot of them.
--
Simon Townley
Jim Easterbrook
In article <6eogbs$of1$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Robin Fairbairns (r...@cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
>
>cambridge has two ms&ss. whether they're under separate management i
>don't know (one of them has all the gurly things in it except (!)
>underwear and the other has the rest of clothingy stuff, + food.
Do you know the gurly one has no undies, or are you assuming it from the
presence of undies in the other store?
Andrew Stevenson
A R BREEN wrote in message <6eo94a$m0o$1...@osfa.aber.ac.uk>...
>In article <6em96u$8i6$1...@info1.lancs.ac.uk>,
>Andrew Stevenson <A.Ste...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
>>What's very odd is that there's not a Marks and Spencer in Borchester or
>>that nobody in Ambridge ever goes to it. Aberystwyth doesn't have a M&S
>>because it's too far from anywhere
>
>Wrong, I'm afraid.
>There isn't a Marks & Spencer's shop in Aberystwyth because:
>
>(a) M&S have a policy of one shop only in any area with a certain
>threshold population (can't remember what the population threshold
>was, but mid-Wales only rated one M&S)
>
>(b) M&S were holding out for substantial rent concessions from
>the council (Aberystwyth council owns almost all the shop freeholds
>within the old town boundaries) and the council wouldn't play - this
>was 1960s or early 70s, IIRC.
>
>(c) There is a M&S elsewhere within the mid/west Wales area.
>Carmarthen, IIRC.
Oh.
Sorry.
That's what somebody told me when I went for a job interview in Aberystwyth.
I'm not sure about a) as Lancaster has an M&S and so does Kendal (only 20
miles away) - neither are exactly throbbing metropoleis (I think that's the
plural of polis from what I remember of Beginners Greek at University) and
there's Preston not far away in the other direction.
b) sounds most likely to me.
--
Andrew
Robin Fairbairns
In article <6eojs6$b...@bbcnews.rd.bbc.co.uk>,
Jim Easterbrook <eas...@rd.bbc.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <6eogbs$of1$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Robin Fairbairns (r...@cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
>>cambridge has two ms&ss. whether they're under separate management i
>>don't know (one of them has all the gurly things in it except (!)
>>underwear and the other has the rest of clothingy stuff, + food.
>
>Do you know the gurly one has no undies, or are you assuming it from the
>presence of undies in the other store?
i think i've been told (it would be quite a reasonable moan for a gurl
to make, after all). it's a slightly surreal setup, finding one's
smalls alongside the gurls' smalls, in a shop otherwise devoted to
boyish pursuits.
Gary Cook
C.J.Wallace wrote:
>
> In article <53njkEAf...@montaigne.demon.co.uk>,
> Iain Archer <i...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>However, by beautiful people I mean those who spend 2 hours a week
> >>getting their hair done, who have perfectly manicured nails, never
> >>get ice cream down their front and spend their entire disposable
> >>income on designer clothes.
> >
> >Ah, you mean the type that aren't worth looking at twice?
>
> Them's'll be the ones.
*Wearing* twice, shurely?
> The ones whose entire conversation is focused around whether lilac
> is the new black (is it, incidentally? Marks and Sparks in Canterbury
> seem to think so)
I thought that was supposed to be brown. Always preferred black, meself.
I can cope with black being black, at any rate.
_ _ _
/ / / / / / / If you don't go off
(_/ (_( / (_/ at a tangent, you'll
/ / just keep going round
(_/ (_/ in circles.
Gordon Woods
In article <6eokk4$hm3$1...@info1.lancs.ac.uk>,
Lancaster and Preston both have universities - I may be wrong, but
Lancashire strikes me as a much more densely populated place than
mid-Wales. Compare the no. of MPs as a good guide. I don't know how many
the same sort of area of Lancashire has, but seats like Ceredigion and
Merionedd are pretty large - and Welsh MPs have smaller electorates than
English.
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C.J.Wallace
In article <350FF0...@hermes.cam.ac.uk>,
Gary Cook <ag...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>C.J.Wallace wrote:
>>
>> The ones whose entire conversation is focused around whether lilac
>> is the new black (is it, incidentally? Marks and Sparks in Canterbury
>> seem to think so)
>
>I thought that was supposed to be brown. Always preferred black, meself.
> I can cope with black being black, at any rate.
No, no, no, no, no sweetie - where have you been?
That was weeks ago, brown being the new black. Since then, red's been
the new black, grey's been the new black, navy blue's been the new black.
Honestly, if you didn't even know that...
K Richard Whitbread
In article <6ejjv6$alr$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
rja.ca...@mailexcite.com writes
>In article <a.gawthrop-16...@j-dow2.molgen.gla.ac.uk>,
> a.gaw...@bio.gla.ac.uk (Angela Gawthrop) wrote:
>>
>>
>> What gauge was it? I don't remember back that far, but had assumed that it
>> would be 7.25" or thereabouts; it must however have been fairly
>> substantial for the locos to have had a fireman as well as a driver.
>
>
>Robert Carnegie, South Lanarkshire Education Computer Support Unit
back that cannot have been the case. Regrettably although I heard the
episodes then my memory has used that bit of my brain for other
information since!
--
K Richard Whitbread
No relation to any brewer
K Richard Whitbread
In article <35175bcb...@news.demon.co.uk>, Brenda Selwyn
<bre...@matson.demon.co.uk> writes
>This is a possibility, though unless Borchester Green is a very good
>school, you'd probably still get people trying to get their kids into
>one of the others.
snip
>Brenda
StS went to Borchester Grammar School - and I then recall a battle at
some point about comprehensives but cannot remember the outcome (and
cannot immediately lay my hands on the story). Is Borchester Green the
descendant of the Grammar School - which would imply that there was a
secondary school elsewhere in Borchester.
However Kathy was originally a teacher (and for a while head of the home
economics dept) at Borchester Free School which was merging with
Worcester Road comprehensive. Is this now Borchester Green and is this
the same story as the one above or was there a separate battle at some
point?
K Richard Whitbread
>
>What's very odd is that there's not a Marks and Spencer in Borchester or
>that nobody in Ambridge ever goes to it. Aberystwyth doesn't have a M&S
>Borchester.
>
>Andrew
Now you are getting close to my wife's definition of civilisation. We
spent a holiday on the west coast of Wales a few years ago (near Tywyn)
and the week was blighted by research of the local yellow pages which
showed that the nearest Chinese restaurant (not take away) was in (I
believe) Oswestry!
We also live fairly close to the second or third largest M&S in the
world and she is very attached to her M&S card.
No M&S + no Chinese = no civilisation!
Pat Hanby
On 18 Mar 1998, Gordon Woods wrote:
> In article <6eokk4$hm3$1...@info1.lancs.ac.uk>,
> Andrew Stevenson <A.Ste...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
> >I'm not sure about a) as Lancaster has an M&S and so does Kendal (only 20
> >miles away) - neither are exactly throbbing metropoleis (I think that's the
> >plural of polis from what I remember of Beginners Greek at University) and
> >there's Preston not far away in the other direction.
>
> Lancaster and Preston both have universities - I may be wrong, but
> Lancashire strikes me as a much more densely populated place than
More people or denser people than elsewhere??
> mid-Wales. Compare the no. of MPs as a good guide. I don't know how many
> the same sort of area of Lancashire has, but seats like Ceredigion and
> Merionedd are pretty large - and Welsh MPs have smaller electorates than
> English.
>
> --
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> Dyson Perrins Laboratory, Oxford, OX1 3QY. (01865) (2)75689 (Lab)
>
>
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Gary Cook
C.J.Wallace wrote:
> No, no, no, no, no sweetie - where have you been?
> That was weeks ago, brown being the new black. Since then, red's been
> the new black, grey's been the new black, navy blue's been the new black.
> Honestly, if you didn't even know that...
Now I am again reminded of the reasons why I care so little about
fashion. Being a poor student is almost number one. 'Poor student' is
not a tautology, just in case anyone thought it was. The BPs around here
certainly can't be described in that way...
How on earth can red be the new black (well, an old new black)?
All this shifting around does mean that I'm very likely to be able to
keep up with the trends with something from my wardrobe. Now I only need
a way to find out what the trends actually *are*, before they've
changed...
--
Chris McMillan
In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980317...@suma3.reading.ac.uk>,
Rose-Ann Movsovic <URL:mailto:vlsm...@reading.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Helen P wrote:
>
> > But most provincial towns are uni-towns now aren't they, with Debenhams,
> > Body Shop, M&S, Dolcis etc etc so I'm surprised and delighted to find
> > and Aldridges to shop in a Borchester John Lewis, and the Tuckers and
> > Carters to shop at Underwoods, a smaller version of Debenhams, and not
> > doing so well either.
> I'm not sure what being a university town has to do with it, but
> Underwoods could easily be a branch of John Lewis. The Reading John Lewis
> is called Heelas and I'm sure that's how most people refer to it. And
> everyone shops there, not just the local Jenniffffers, even though there
> are other department stores (including one which makes Grace Bros seem
> modern).
>
not in the Heelas family any more. When talking to people outside the area I
have to remember to describe it as one of the JL chain.
Who Grace Bros are I don't know - but I do know who you're referring to. At
least its got its tills up dated unlike a certain shop which closed in
Woodley last year that still used tills with LSD on it! (Hope they went to a
museum I really do).
Sincerely, Chris
--
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ch...@mikesounds.demon.co.uk http://www.mikesounds.demon.co.uk/Family.htm
A R BREEN
In article <DlGaeOAD...@studyroom.demon.co.uk>,
K Richard Whitbread <richard....@studyroom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Now you are getting close to my wife's definition of civilisation. We
>spent a holiday on the west coast of Wales a few years ago (near Tywyn)
>and the week was blighted by research of the local yellow pages which
>showed that the nearest Chinese restaurant (not take away) was in (I
>believe) Oswestry!
Unlikely to be Oswestry. There have been 2+ chinese restaurants in
Aberystwyth (~37 miles from Towyn) for over 15 years, and I seem to
recall there being a long-established one in Portmadoc. Can't remember
if there's one in Machynlleth.
Towyn is _not_ the best place to get a first view of mid-Wales...
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My posting, my opinions......
C.J.Wallace
In article <351012...@hermes.cam.ac.uk>,
Gary Cook <ag...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>C.J.Wallace wrote:
>
>> No, no, no, no, no sweetie - where have you been?
>> That was weeks ago, brown being the new black. Since then, red's been
>> the new black, grey's been the new black, navy blue's been the new black.
>> Honestly, if you didn't even know that...
>
>
The implication is that people who know about these things will wear nothing
else, and you will have to work really hard to make sure that you don't
turn up at a party wearing the same style dress as seventeen other people,
which is social suicide.
I was rather pleased when red was the new black.
Unfortunately, it only stayed as being the new black for about 15 minutes -
then charcoal became the new black, which is probably easier on the eye, but
far more boring.
There was, of course, the glorious 5 hours in June last year when chocolate
was the new black, but I think I may have got the wrong end of the
stick on that one...
Gary Cook
C.J.Wallace wrote:
> The implication is that people who know about these things will wear nothing
> else, and you will have to work really hard to make sure that you don't
> turn up at a party wearing the same style dress as seventeen other people,
> which is social suicide.
Wonderfully paradoxical. I think the only way around it is going to have
to be teh invention of fabrics which change colour at will (and I'm not
talkig about the Global Hypercolor yellow-T-shirt-with-green-armpits fad,
either).
I hope black is due to become the new black in the next hour or so,
otherwise it's social death on my way back to get something to eat.
Although it is dark now and I could hide in the shadows.
Andrew Towers
Chris McMillan <Ch...@mikesounds.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<ant18173...@mikesounds.demon.co.uk>...
> It's probably about the size of Hexham, Northumberland. We don't have an
M&S or a Debenhams, but we do run to a store called Robbs, which, while
part of a larger group, is still very firmly Northumberland
Carey Bowker
In article <6eold8$s00$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Robin Fairbairns
<r...@cl.cam.ac.uk> writes
>
>i think i've been told (it would be quite a reasonable moan for a gurl
>to make, after all). it's a slightly surreal setup, finding one's
>smalls alongside the gurls' smalls, in a shop otherwise devoted to
>boyish pursuits.
>--
gurl started off inside them!
--
from: Carey Bowker
" . . . but when I became a man . . ." 1 Corinthians Ch13 v11
Simon Townley
> There was, of course, the glorious 5 hours in June last year when chocolate
> was the new black, but I think I may have got the wrong end of the
> stick on that one...
Maybe. Maybe not ...
--
Simon Townley
Iain Archer
Simon Townley wrote on Wed, 18 Mar 1998
>> >dirndls and beads, loved everybody, had beautiful souls and serene
>> >minds, and really understood, like?
>
>> Ah. I'm not one of them either, sadly.:-(
>
>It's not sad at all, when you realise that 'dirndls and beads' was in fact
>a typo for 'dirndls and beards'.
>
>These olden oaty-floaty people may have had beautiful souls and serene
>minds, but no-one ever got close enough to find out. Strangers to the
>soap, the lot of them.
>
found miasma of patchouli a more likely potential hazard.
Robin Fairbairns
In article <DlGaeOAD...@studyroom.demon.co.uk>,
K Richard Whitbread <richard....@studyroom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
so long as she stays attached to it...
it's when she relinquishes it while inside the shop that the problems
start to arise.
(not having a wife any more, i have to keep a close eye on the people
i myself relinquish cards to.)
Robin Fairbairns
In article <6ep43f$1tf$1...@osfa.aber.ac.uk>, A R BREEN <a...@aber.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <DlGaeOAD...@studyroom.demon.co.uk>,
>Can't remember if there's [a chinese rest.] in Machynlleth.
not last time i had a holiday in that area. rather nice whole-food
restaurant, offshoot of the alt. technology centre, though.
>Towyn is _not_ the best place to get a first view of mid-Wales...
but as a base for exploring s snowdonia it's not all that bad.
Charles F Hankel
Brenda Selwyn wrote:
>
> >jo...@graylab.ac.uk (Helen Johns) wrote:
>
> >Yes! (I know I'm biased because I was born and brought up there.)
> >Someone else besides me who thinks it is Evesham. Do you also equate Lakey
> >Hill with Bredon?
>
> I don't know that area at all so it's difficult to comment. However,
> I think it's a waste of time trying to equate settlements and
> geographical features with real ones as I have tried it before and it
> doesn't work. It has been suggested before that Borchester is Evesham
> (or vice versa) but I'm not convinced of this either. I think it's
> best to say that Borsetshire is simply in that sort of part of the
> world.
I'm reading the Smethurst book at the moment (on my terrifically short
commute, so it may take a while to finish) and he mentions that Godfrey
Baseley was incensed by MinOfFood people telling the Vale of Evesham
asparagus growers to grub up their beds for potatoes or some such.
Could this be another indication of the location of the space-time
continuum as well?
--
Charles F Hankel
-------------------------------------
Hapless FAQer on the Wirral peninsula
Charles F Hankel
rja.ca...@mailexcite.com wrote:
>
> In article <ant17001...@marykemp.demon.co.uk>,
> Mary Kemp <ma...@marykemp.demon.co.uk> quoted me:
> > >
> > > Come to think, how much custom is required to support a store like
> > > Underwood's? My mental image of it resembles Glasgow's department stores,
> > > of course, but this may be seriously oversized.
> > >
> >
> > No, no. More like Rutherfords in Morpeth. Almost exactly the same size, and
> > stocking the same type of goods.
>
> So, Mary, Peter - how many square feet of retail space are we talking about
> here?
Wake up at the back there, Carnegie. The commercial property market's
gone metric.
Charles F Hankel
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Helen P wrote:
> >
> > > But most provincial towns are uni-towns now aren't they, with Debenhams,
> > > Body Shop, M&S, Dolcis etc etc so I'm surprised and delighted to find
> > > that an "independent" store survives. I would have expected the Archers
> > > and Aldridges to shop in a Borchester John Lewis, and the Tuckers and
> > > Carters to shop at Underwoods, a smaller version of Debenhams, and not
> > > doing so well either.
> >
> > I'm not sure what being a university town has to do with it, but
> > Underwoods could easily be a branch of John Lewis. The Reading John Lewis
> > is called Heelas and I'm sure that's how most people refer to it. And
> > everyone shops there, not just the local Jenniffffers, even though there
> > are other department stores (including one which makes Grace Bros seem
> > modern).
>
>
> (But I think Helen meant that Borchester probably now has Universal Town
> Centre shops like M&S, MacDonalds, etc. that Bill Bryson so disliked in
> "Notes From A Small Island", for their architectural vandalism as much as
> anything else.)
IMHO These chains detract from the variety that used to give local
colour and it's no coincidence that they do. The prices for retail
premises are way beyond the reach of mere mortals. Back in 1981, a pal
of mine and I tried to get a shop unit in the middle of Horsham only to
discover that the bare shell would cost us £40,000 p.a. to rent and that
we needed to leave a quarter's deposit.
So, for a modest retail unit it would cost us £20,000 to get the shell,
quite a few quid more to fit it out (flooring, frontage, fixtures and
fittings, heating, etc). In short, we had costed the initial occupancy
at well over £30,000. Added to this, we would need to stock it up and
pay rates in the realm of £40,000 per annum which meant that we would
need to make a profit on sales of over a hundred thousand pounds before
we could even think of an income for ourselves.
A chain doesn't have to worry about this level of funding because the
other locations pay for the new one. This is the real reason that local
businesses are rare in modern developments, they've been priced out of
the market.
A friend of mine tried for a unit in County Mall in Crawley about four
years ago and was offered a rent-free period of a year. The annual
rental was £125,000 so this would have been something of a help if the
rates weren't a similar price and, again, he was priced out of the
market. Making enough profit to get past these startup costs is a
retailer's nightmare and only the chains end up with a realistic chance
of opening, let alone being there in a year's time.
Charles F Hankel
Rose-Ann Movsovic wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Helen P wrote:
>
> > But most provincial towns are uni-towns now aren't they, with Debenhams,
> > Body Shop, M&S, Dolcis etc etc so I'm surprised and delighted to find
> > that an "independent" store survives. I would have expected the Archers
> > and Aldridges to shop in a Borchester John Lewis, and the Tuckers and
> > Carters to shop at Underwoods, a smaller version of Debenhams, and not
> > doing so well either.
>
> I'm not sure what being a university town has to do with it, but
> Underwoods could easily be a branch of John Lewis. The Reading John Lewis
> is called Heelas and I'm sure that's how most people refer to it. And
> everyone shops there, not just the local Jenniffffers, even though there
> are other department stores (including one which makes Grace Bros seem
> modern).
Like cathedrals, in Liverpool we have more than one local department
store. Lewis's, George Henry Lee to name but two. Mind you, George
Henry Lee is in the John Lewis Partnership and Lewis's is in with Owen
Owen.
Paul
Iain Archer <i...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>We may be thinking of different subspecies or generations. I always
>found miasma of patchouli a more likely potential hazard.
Still is, judging by the aroma from my T-shirts and tent after Cropredy
weekend :-))))
--
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Mary Kemp
In article <yQAIQIA5...@leton.demon.co.uk>, George Middleton
<URL:mailto:Mi...@leton.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Mary Kemp wrote:
> >More like Rutherfords in Morpeth.
>
> river Erewash.
You went there on your hols last year, didn't you, George?
Morpeth, I mean.
Wouldn't know about Middle Earth.
--
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Please take the mickey out of me when replying
ma...@mickey.marykemp.demon.co.uk
Mary Kemp
In article <6elp0t$17u$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
<URL:mailto:rja.ca...@mailexcite.com> wrote:
> In article <ant17001...@marykemp.demon.co.uk>,
> Mary Kemp <ma...@marykemp.demon.co.uk> quoted me:
> > >
> > > Come to think, how much custom is required to support a store like
> > > Underwood's? My mental image of it resembles Glasgow's department stores,
> > > of course, but this may be seriously oversized.
> > >
> >
> > No, no. More like Rutherfords in Morpeth. Almost exactly the same size, and
> > stocking the same type of goods.
>
> So, Mary, Peter - how many square feet of retail space are we talking about
> here?
>
> thinking of, if we wanted to compare notes.)
Nothing like the size of the Glasgow stores. I'm not very good at figures and
I work in imperial but if I can say that it is just big enough to sell
lingerie, ladies' clothes (mostly Windsmoor and Jaeger type of stuff),
babies' clothes and equipment, a small DIY dept with expensive paint and
wallpaper, cosmetics and perfume, shoes, a coffee shop (?) err, that's it.
At least, that's all I ever noticed. Perhaps they do men's clothes, too.
Imagine also assistants who call each other "Miss Thing" in a formal way, a
carved staircase which curves its way up to the first floor and designations
such as "mantles" and "Powder Room".
Can't you just see Jenniffffer in there?
rja.ca...@mailexcite.com
In article <DlGaeOAD...@studyroom.demon.co.uk>,
K Richard Whitbread <richard....@studyroom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <A.Ste...@lancaster.ac.uk> writes
> >
> >What's very odd is that there's not a Marks and Spencer in Borchester or
> >that nobody in Ambridge ever goes to it. Aberystwyth doesn't have a M&S
> >because it's too far from anywhere, but I can't really see that applying to
> >Borchester.
> >
> >--
> >Andrew
>
> spent a holiday on the west coast of Wales a few years ago (near Tywyn)
> and the week was blighted by research of the local yellow pages which
> showed that the nearest Chinese restaurant (not take away) was in (I
> believe) Oswestry!
>
>
> No M&S + no Chinese = no civilisation!
> --
> K Richard Whitbread
> No relation to any brewer
>
ISTRemember hearing that the old townie Revd Sidney Smith complained[1] that
his parish was "thirty miles from the nearest lemon".
[1] Bitterly, of course.
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chris harrison
Mary Kemp wrote:
> I'm not very good at figures and
> I work in imperial
So you won't work in the Maths dept. of Imperial then? (Or maybe ....)
--
"Academics get paid for being clever, not for being right" - Donald
Norman
chris harrison.
http://www.bogo.co.uk/lowfield/
Robin Fairbairns
In article <35114B9F...@icparc.ic.ac.uk>,
chris harrison <ca...@icparc.ic.ac.uk> wrote:
>Mary Kemp wrote:
(mary the previously unsuspected mathematician)
>> I'm not very good at figures and
>> I work in imperial
>
>So you won't work in the Maths dept. of Imperial then? (Or maybe ....)
nonono. none of the best mathematicians can count.
Niles
Helen P <pear...@which.net> wrote:
~But most provincial towns are uni-towns now aren't they, with Debenhams,
~Body Shop, M&S, Dolcis etc etc so I'm surprised and delighted to find
~that an "independent" store survives.
There was something on the radio not long ago about independent department
stores, and the nearest city to my home town was mentioned, Chadds in
Hereford. They're OK - but we don't shop there because they have a
reputation for being expensive and too classy. It's a jolly nice shop,
though, with several buildings on two sides of the road. They have really
interesting animatronic Christmas displays.
Hereford is not a University town, (although the sixth form has the nerve
to call itself hereford.ac.uk) - and some say it missed out on a lot
because of it. I do feel the town is dying a little - all the bright young
things leave when they need to get an education, and as a result, it's
more or less the same stagnant backwater now as it always has been, except
that now it has a bowling alley or two. Still only one cinema. Grr.
--
Niles
"Oh false one! Thou hast deceived me!"
Visit the Archers' Family Tree at
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/alexf
Brenda Selwyn
>K Richard Whitbread <richard....@studyroom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>StS went to Borchester Grammar School - and I then recall a battle at
>some point about comprehensives but cannot remember the outcome (and
>cannot immediately lay my hands on the story). Is Borchester Green the
>descendant of the Grammar School - which would imply that there was a
>secondary school elsewhere in Borchester.
>
>However Kathy was originally a teacher (and for a while head of the home
>economics dept) at Borchester Free School which was merging with
>Worcester Road comprehensive. Is this now Borchester Green and is this
>the same story as the one above or was there a separate battle at some
>point?
It's possible that they all merged. The school in Wantage was
originally one grammar school and two secondary moderns.
At the time of the merger it was called "The Wantage School", but the
name was subsequently changed to "King Alfred's School", which had
been the name of the grammar school. Funny that...
Anyway, we know all the secondary age children go to Borchester Green,
but where do the primary age children go?
Brenda
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Liz Blades
Charles F Hankel <um...@hankel.mersinet.co.uk> wrote:
>we could even think of an income for ourselves.
>A chain doesn't have to worry about this level of funding because the
>other locations pay for the new one. This is the real reason that local
>businesses are rare in modern developments, they've been priced out of
>the market.
>A friend of mine tried for a unit in County Mall in Crawley about four
>years ago and was offered a rent-free period of a year. The annual
>rental was £125,000 so this would have been something of a help if the
>rates weren't a similar price and, again, he was priced out of the
>market. Making enough profit to get past these startup costs is a
>retailer's nightmare and only the chains end up with a realistic chance
>of opening, let alone being there in a year's time.
Lots of stuff snipped.
Charles has just stated one of my favorite rants,but with far more
lucidity than I could ever hope to achieve.
I would love to be able to have a shop in a major shopping centre but
the overheads are prohibitive to an independant one branch outlet.What
really annoys me is that a lot of shopping malls are half empty(or
half full if you are an optimist).
The reason is because the owners of the properties have to make a
profit so xxxxxxxxx UKP has to be shared between the existing
shops,sadly, the only ones who can afford it are the large chains.
Then ,if they are willing to pay it, the landlords think everyone else
should(whilst rubbing their hands in a Scrooge like manner).
Now if you wish to get me onto the sudden proliferation of Charity
Shops(which in this area only pay 20% of the business rates due)
private email is fine.
Liz (Who has just had one almighty row with her landlord and has found
out that yet a sixth charity shop is due to open in this town within a
couple of weeks time)
PS I feel better now
Liz Blades
Proprietor of Blades Home Brewery
http://www.dmatters.co.uk/Blades/blades.html
Charles F Hankel
C.J.Wallace wrote:
>
> In article <351012...@hermes.cam.ac.uk>,
> Gary Cook <ag...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> >C.J.Wallace wrote:
> >
> >> No, no, no, no, no sweetie - where have you been?
> >> That was weeks ago, brown being the new black. Since then, red's been
> >> the new black, grey's been the new black, navy blue's been the new black.
> >> Honestly, if you didn't even know that...
> >
> >How on earth can red be the new black (well, an old new black)?
> >
>
> else, and you will have to work really hard to make sure that you don't
> turn up at a party wearing the same style dress as seventeen other people,
> which is social suicide.
I know exactly what you mean. Decked out today in my navy blue city
pinstripe suit and charcoal grey cashmere raglan overcoat, I strode up
the cash machine and waited for a lady wearing a navy blue city
pinstripe suit and charcoal grey cashmere raglan overcoat.
She had turn-ups on her kecks though. I remember turn-ups from the
first time around (thirty odd years ago, and go out of my way to get a
trouser that doesn't have dust traps at the bottom of the leg.
Charles F Hankel
Nick Putz wrote:
>
> > Aberystwyth doesn't have a M&S
> >because it's too far from anywhere, but I can't really see that applying to
> >Borchester.
> >
But they _were_ lucky against Liverpool, weren't they?
Charles F Hankel
Pat Hanby wrote:
>
> On 18 Mar 1998, Gordon Woods wrote:
>
> > In article <6eokk4$hm3$1...@info1.lancs.ac.uk>,
> > Andrew Stevenson <A.Ste...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
> > >I'm not sure about a) as Lancaster has an M&S and so does Kendal (only 20
> > >miles away) - neither are exactly throbbing metropoleis (I think that's the
> > >plural of polis from what I remember of Beginners Greek at University) and
> > >there's Preston not far away in the other direction.
> >
> > Lancaster and Preston both have universities - I may be wrong, but
> > Lancashire strikes me as a much more densely populated place than
>
> More people or denser people than elsewhere??
Speaking as a Lancastrian, I feel no need to defend such a literate,
erudite and witty - not to mention sophisticated - collection of people
from a jibe of southern ignorance such as this.
Liz, perhaps you might have thoughts about it? I'll get the tea.
K Richard Whitbread
In article <3510FE42...@hankel.mersinet.co.uk>, Charles F Hankel
<um...@hankel.mersinet.co.uk> writes
>Wake up at the back there, Carnegie. The commercial property market's
>gone metric.
>
so much per square foot - it keeps the figure a lot smaller than for a
square metre.
George Middleton
Mary Kemp wrote:
>You went there on your hols last year, didn't you, George?
>Morpeth, I mean.
>Wouldn't know about Middle Earth.
I did, and we enjoyed it so much that we are going agian this year. Who
said the roads in _France_ were quiet?
Middle Earth is the setting of Lord of the Rings.
--
George
Charles F Hankel
Liz Blades wrote:
>
> Charles F Hankel <um...@hankel.mersinet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >A friend of mine tried for a unit in County Mall in Crawley about four
> >years ago and was offered a rent-free period of a year. The annual
> >rental was £125,000 so this would have been something of a help if the
> >rates weren't a similar price and, again, he was priced out of the
> >market. Making enough profit to get past these startup costs is a
> >retailer's nightmare and only the chains end up with a realistic chance
> >of opening, let alone being there in a year's time.
>
> lucidity than I could ever hope to achieve.
Oh <blushing coyly> thank you.
> I would love to be able to have a shop in a major shopping centre but
> the overheads are prohibitive to an independant one branch outlet.What
> really annoys me is that a lot of shopping malls are half empty(or
> half full if you are an optimist).
>
> The reason is because the owners of the properties have to make a
> profit so xxxxxxxxx UKP has to be shared between the existing
> shops,sadly, the only ones who can afford it are the large chains.
> Then ,if they are willing to pay it, the landlords think everyone else
> should(whilst rubbing their hands in a Scrooge like manner).
Ain't that the truth. There's no such thing in this country as a
landlord-tenant relationship that relies on the tenant's ability to pay
- other than eviction. A friend in Missouri has a retail store in a
shopping mall and his rent is based on his takings (or is it profit).
I'm a bit hazy as to how this works but essentially, if he has a bad
month, so does his landlord; if he has a brilliant month, so does his
landlord.
Therefore, it's in his landlord's interest to do what the businesses in
the mall want to do rather than have them fit in with the landlord's
rules.
> Now if you wish to get me onto the sudden proliferation of Charity
> Shops(which in this area only pay 20% of the business rates due)
> private email is fine.
Yes, and often they scrounge the places rent-free, the staff are unpaid,
the goods are free or cost next-to-nothing and then the Oxfam thing of
selling new stuff...
> Liz (Who has just had one almighty row with her landlord and has found
> out that yet a sixth charity shop is due to open in this town within a
> couple of weeks time)
>
> PS I feel better now
Good. Here's a nice cup of tea.
Mary Kemp
In article <6erlas$nb5$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Robin Fairbairns
<indignant>
I can count up to twenty. Twenty two, if I take my bra off.
</indignant>
Apols for getting back on thread... nearly.
Andy Robts
In article <sReovBAA...@larkhall.co.uk>, Paul <pa...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
writes:
>Iain Archer <i...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>We may be thinking of different subspecies or generations. I always
>>found miasma of patchouli a more likely potential hazard.
>
>Still is, judging by the aroma from my T-shirts and tent after Cropredy
>weekend :-))))
Loudon Wainwright III will be there this year (August 15th, Oxfordshire).
"The past sure is tense"
(the pasture is tents)
Andy R
--
Andy Robts
In article <6erlas$nb5$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, r...@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin
Fairbairns) writes:
>nonono. none of the best mathematicians can count.
That's right . There are three kinds of mathematicians.......
Andy R
--
Andy Robts
In article <6er08c$aid$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, r...@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin
Fairbairns) writes:
> Machynlleth.
>
>not last time i had a holiday in that area. rather nice whole-food
>restaurant, offshoot of the alt. technology centre, though.
>
I like the Centre for Alternative Technology. The water powered
funicular railway is impressive as are the water powered water
pumps ( no kidding ). They have lots of water power , its always
raining. What else , oh yes recycling toilets, wind turbines - that
reminds me ...
TA: Isn't Lakey Hill a common ground with grazing in which case
could that stretch to allow the combined ostrich and wind farm?
Andy R
--
Andy Robts
In article <35110250...@hankel.mersinet.co.uk>, Charles F Hankel
<um...@hankel.mersinet.co.uk> writes:
>IMHO These chains detract from the variety that used to give local
>colour and it's no coincidence that they do. The prices for retail
>premises are way beyond the reach of mere mortals. Back in 1981, a pal
>of mine and I tried to get a shop unit in the middle of Horsham only to
>discover that the bare shell would cost us £40,000 p.a. to rent and that
>we needed to leave a quarter's deposit.
>
[..]
>
>A chain doesn't have to worry about this level of funding because the
>other locations pay for the new one. This is the real reason that local
>businesses are rare in modern developments, they've been priced out of
>the market.
>
>A friend of mine tried for a unit in County Mall in Crawley about four
>years ago and was offered a rent-free period of a year. The annual
>rental was £125,000 so this would have been something of a help if the
>rates weren't a similar price and, again, he was priced out of the
>market. Making enough profit to get past these startup costs is a
>retailer's nightmare and only the chains end up with a realistic chance
>of opening, let alone being there in a year's time.
>
So does this mean that there is a tendency , in a market economy ,
for capital to become ever more centralised in monopolistic corporations ?
Hmm that's a bit worrying isn't it .
Andy R
--
Charles F Hankel
K Richard Whitbread wrote:
>
> In article <3510FE42...@hankel.mersinet.co.uk>, Charles F Hankel
> <um...@hankel.mersinet.co.uk> writes
> >Wake up at the back there, Carnegie. The commercial property market's
> >gone metric.
> >
> Are you sure about that - office rentals in our area often get quoted as
> so much per square foot - it keeps the figure a lot smaller than for a
> square metre.
Oh, maybe it's the effect of this Euro investment that we're getting
around here. Most (if not all) commercial agents' signs show the floor
space in square metres with the imperial measure in less prominent type
for old farts like me.
Charles F Hankel
Andy Robts wrote:
>
> In article <sReovBAA...@larkhall.co.uk>, Paul <pa...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
> writes:
>
> >Iain Archer <i...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>We may be thinking of different subspecies or generations. I always
> >>found miasma of patchouli a more likely potential hazard.
> >
> >Still is, judging by the aroma from my T-shirts and tent after Cropredy
> >weekend :-))))
>
> Loudon Wainwright III will be there this year (August 15th, Oxfordshire).
Famed author of "Rufus is a tit man".
Charles F Hankel
Andy Robts wrote:
>
> In article <35110250...@hankel.mersinet.co.uk>, Charles F Hankel
> <um...@hankel.mersinet.co.uk> writes:
>
> >A chain doesn't have to worry about this level of funding because the
> >other locations pay for the new one. This is the real reason that local
> >businesses are rare in modern developments, they've been priced out of
> >the market.
> >
>
> for capital to become ever more centralised in monopolistic corporations ?
> Hmm that's a bit worrying isn't it .
Hmm. Dunno about that, never thought of it in those terms. Presumably
that's true since the more that you have, the more that you can get, at
the same time as excluding others because you're willing to sacrifice
some of your cash to achieve this position.
However you put it, it is worrying for anyone who wants to sell things
to the public because the "malls" attract Joe Public like flies to a
honeypot, to the detriment of locations where the enterprising
individual can just about afford to set up. The on-cost of the premises
is non-contributory to the business and yet, for most small retailers,
is probably the biggest drain on their finances. At least with
employees you have some control (how many, how much pay, etc) and you
can always talk to/with them.
George Middleton
Mary Kemp wrote:
>I can count up to twenty. Twenty two, if I take my bra off.
and twenty-seven if you're wearing your rubber udder. (As seen in the
bbq photo's)
--
George
chris harrison
Mary Kemp wrote:
>
> In article <6erlas$nb5$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Robin Fairbairns
> <URL:mailto:r...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> > In article <35114B9F...@icparc.ic.ac.uk>,
> > chris harrison <ca...@icparc.ic.ac.uk> wrote:
> > >Mary Kemp wrote:
> >
> > (mary the previously unsuspected mathematician)
> >
> > >> I'm not very good at figures and
> > >> I work in imperial
> > >
> > >So you won't work in the Maths dept. of Imperial then? (Or maybe ....)
> >
>
>
> I can count up to twenty. Twenty two, if I take my bra off.
>
;-)
"Arithmetic is being able to count up to twenty without taking off your
shoes."
I have this quote in a file where it's attributed to one M. Mouse.
chris harrison
Charles F Hankel wrote:
>
> Nick Putz wrote:
> >
> > > Aberystwyth doesn't have a M&S
> > >because it's too far from anywhere, but I can't really see that applying to
> > >Borchester.
> > >
> > Tottenham doesn't have a M&S, but that's 'cos it's a dump
>
> But they _were_ lucky against Liverpool, weren't they?
Not that I'm a Spurs fan (heaven forfend) but who equalised in the 90th
minute in that particular match?
Harry Powell
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Charles F Hankel wrote:
> She had turn-ups on her kecks though. I remember turn-ups from the
> first time around (thirty odd years ago, and go out of my way to get a
> trouser that doesn't have dust traps at the bottom of the leg.
You _do_ mean _your_ first time around, don't you?
Harry
--
Dr Harry Powell, Automation Office, University Library, West Road, Cambridge,
CB3 9DR.
Robin Fairbairns
In article <199803200206...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
Andy Robts <andy...@aol.com> wrote:
>[stuff about chains and shop rents snipped]
>So does this mean that there is a tendency , in a market economy ,
>for capital to become ever more centralised in monopolistic corporations ?
yup. i think it's one of the points where marx agrees with the us
government's anti-trust actions. (which they seem mostly, now, to
have given up.)
>Hmm that's a bit worrying isn't it .
yup. how many of us in umra use micro$oft stuff, despite knowing it's
not the best available. *why* do people use it? -- because the
software capital has concentrated in redmond, and software that works
compatibly with other people's offerings is typically less common/
cheap/well marketed.
Charles Norrie
>
>There is known to have been a London & North Western/L&MSR branch
>in Borsetshire, terminating at Lakey Hill - see Railway Modeller
>November 1997 for details.
>
I feel sure that Borsetshire, especially in the south is GW country.
--
Charles Norrie (When replying please remove the double meat filling)
Charles Norrie
Uderwoods is clearly the local John Lewis Ps. We JLPs are determined to
keep the old names going.
It'a sbout time the super on the bypass was named. Safetesbury's?
Charles Norrie
>>
>>Tottenham doesn't have a M&S, but that's 'cos it's a dump
>
>
But the Holloway Road did and the wretched JLP changed most of it into a
Waitrose.
A R BREEN
In article <$Ool7OAP...@geodeonssppaamm.demon.co.uk>,
Charles Norrie <Cha...@geodeonssppaamm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>There is known to have been a London & North Western/L&MSR branch
>>in Borsetshire, terminating at Lakey Hill - see Railway Modeller
>>November 1997 for details.
>>
>I feel sure that Borsetshire, especially in the south is GW country.
No problems with that. L&NWR and GWR overlapped in a lot of areas.
The real questions, of course, are whether Borsetshire was Swindon
or Wolverhampton GWR (broad vs. narrow) and southern vs. northern
L&NWR......
--
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breen-sleepysnail-helene-dot-mpae-dot-gwdg-dot-de
http-colon-slash-slash-www-dot-mpae-dot-gwdg-dot-de/tilde-breen
My posting, my opinions......
Steve Holden
Charles F Hankel wrote in message
<351224C4...@hankel.mersinet.co.uk>...
>Andy Robts wrote:
>>
>> In article <sReovBAA...@larkhall.co.uk>, Paul
<pa...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
>> writes:
>>
>> >Iain Archer <i...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>We may be thinking of different subspecies or generations. I always
>> >>found miasma of patchouli a more likely potential hazard.
>> >
>> >Still is, judging by the aroma from my T-shirts and tent after Cropredy
>> >weekend :-))))
>>
>> Loudon Wainwright III will be there this year (August 15th, Oxfordshire).
>
>Famed author of "Rufus is a tit man".
and "I wish I was a Lesbian"...jolly amusing fellow for a colonial...
Steve this summer I might have drowned
rja.ca...@mailexcite.com
In article <6etn77$5v$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
r...@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) wrote:
>
> In article <199803200206...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
> Andy Robts <andy...@aol.com> wrote:
> >[stuff about chains and shop rents snipped]
> >So does this mean that there is a tendency , in a market economy ,
> >for capital to become ever more centralised in monopolistic corporations ?
>
> yup. i think it's one of the points where marx agrees with the us
> government's anti-trust actions. (which they seem mostly, now, to
> have given up.)
>
> >Hmm that's a bit worrying isn't it .
>
> yup. how many of us in umra use micro$oft stuff, despite knowing it's
> not the best available. *why* do people use it? -- because the
> software capital has concentrated in redmond, and software that works
> compatibly with other people's offerings is typically less common/
> cheap/well marketed.
Alistair Cooke had plenty to say the other week about both anti-trust laws
and Bill Gates. For those who missed this interesting talk, it's at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/letter_from_america/newsid_64000/64409.stm
Robert Carnegie, South Lanarkshire Education Computer Support Unit
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In article <199803200206...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
andy...@aol.com (Andy Robts) wrote:
>
> In article <6erlas$nb5$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, r...@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin
> Fairbairns) writes:
>
> >nonono. none of the best mathematicians can count.
>
Those who can count...
Helen Johns
In article <35124339...@icparc.ic.ac.uk>, chris harrison
<ca...@icparc.ic.ac.uk> wrote:
> Mary Kemp wrote:
> >
> > <indignant>
> >
> > I can count up to twenty. Twenty two, if I take my bra off.
> >
> > </indignant>
>
> ;-)
>
> "Arithmetic is being able to count up to twenty without taking off your
> shoes."
>
> I have this quote in a file where it's attributed to one M. Mouse.
>
Oh yeah?
That would be the same M. Mouse with 3 fingers on the things on the end of
each arm then would it?
--
Helen Johns
Gray Laboratory Cancer Research Trust
http://www.graylab.ac.uk/
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