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Charlotte Higgins on The Archers: is Evil Rob channelling Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction?
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Serena Blanchflower
Nov 7, 2023, 4:57:30 AM11/7/23
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Helen Archer’s ex continues his mind games, having returned from his
death bed – just when we thought we were safe
<https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/charlotte-higgins-on-the-archers-is-evil-rob-channeling-glenn-close-in-fatal-attraction>,
aka <https://tinyl.io/9iRC>
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Best wishes, Serena
You meet saints everywhere. They can be anywhere. They are people
behaving decently in an indecent society. (Kurt Vonnegut)
Vicky
Nov 7, 2023, 6:50:45 AM11/7/23
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 09:57:28 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
<nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>
>Helen Archer’s ex continues his mind games, having returned from his
>death bed – just when we thought we were safe
>
><https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/charlotte-higgins-on-the-archers-is-evil-rob-channeling-glenn-close-in-fatal-attraction>,
>
>aka <https://tinyl.io/9iRC>
' As the refurbishment of the hotel span out of his control, he '
<nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>
>Helen Archer’s ex continues his mind games, having returned from his
>death bed – just when we thought we were safe
>
><https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/charlotte-higgins-on-the-archers-is-evil-rob-channeling-glenn-close-in-fatal-attraction>,
>
>aka <https://tinyl.io/9iRC>
really? Span?
I like Ed and Eddie and am currently reading the synopses on the BBC
site, not listening, but fb folk seem to be reporting that they
challenged Oliver quite aggressively. I don't like to think of two
younger, stronger men accosting an elderly man in any way
unpleasantly. Also as he lives with Eddie and Clarrieit would make it
uncomfortable for him, and might lead to their being asked to leave,
Having complained about Ms Higgins' grammar I'm now worried about
their or them in that last sentence.
J. P. Gilliver
Nov 7, 2023, 6:56:17 AM11/7/23
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In message <uid1m8$ucob$1...@dont-email.me> at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 09:57:28,
Serena Blanchflower <nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> writes
sometimes.)
I object to "“He’s playing you, Alan,” hissed the vicar’s more
intelligent wife, Usha." Not to denigrate Usha's intelligence, but Alan
had no choice: if we assume he has the faith his profession implies, he
_has_ to give the benefit of the doubt - even to the extent that I was
surprised at his honesty to Rob (I think he more or less did say "I
don't believe you" at one point) - and regardless of his own faith, I
suspect he's under obligation to, as part of his job (what the bishop
might say/do).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
The web is a blank slate; you can't design technology that is 'good'. You can't
design paper that you can only write good things on. There are no good or evil
tools. You can put an engine in an ambulance or a tank. - Sir Tim Berners-Lee,
Radio Times 2009-Jan-30 to -Feb-5.
Serena Blanchflower <nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> writes
>
>Helen Archer’s ex continues his mind games, having returned from his
>death bed – just when we thought we were safe
>
><https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/charlotte-higgins-
>on-the-archers-is-evil-rob-channeling-glenn-close-in-fatal-attraction>,
>aka <https://tinyl.io/9iRC>
(I wish the Grauniad would take a 50p donation - I might give one
>Helen Archer’s ex continues his mind games, having returned from his
>death bed – just when we thought we were safe
>
><https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/charlotte-higgins-
>on-the-archers-is-evil-rob-channeling-glenn-close-in-fatal-attraction>,
>aka <https://tinyl.io/9iRC>
sometimes.)
I object to "“He’s playing you, Alan,” hissed the vicar’s more
intelligent wife, Usha." Not to denigrate Usha's intelligence, but Alan
had no choice: if we assume he has the faith his profession implies, he
_has_ to give the benefit of the doubt - even to the extent that I was
surprised at his honesty to Rob (I think he more or less did say "I
don't believe you" at one point) - and regardless of his own faith, I
suspect he's under obligation to, as part of his job (what the bishop
might say/do).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
The web is a blank slate; you can't design technology that is 'good'. You can't
design paper that you can only write good things on. There are no good or evil
tools. You can put an engine in an ambulance or a tank. - Sir Tim Berners-Lee,
Radio Times 2009-Jan-30 to -Feb-5.
BrritSki
Nov 7, 2023, 7:39:36 AM11/7/23
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On 07/11/2023 11:50, Vicky wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 09:57:28 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
> <nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Helen Archer’s ex continues his mind games, having returned from his
>> death bed – just when we thought we were safe
>>
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/charlotte-higgins-on-the-archers-is-evil-rob-channeling-glenn-close-in-fatal-attraction>,
>>
>> aka <https://tinyl.io/9iRC>
>
>
> ' As the refurbishment of the hotel span out of his control, he'
> really? Span?
Past tense of "to span". Would you prefer "spinned" ?
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 09:57:28 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
> <nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Helen Archer’s ex continues his mind games, having returned from his
>> death bed – just when we thought we were safe
>>
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/charlotte-higgins-on-the-archers-is-evil-rob-channeling-glenn-close-in-fatal-attraction>,
>>
>> aka <https://tinyl.io/9iRC>
>
>
> ' As the refurbishment of the hotel span out of his control, he'
> really? Span?
Nick Odell
Nov 7, 2023, 9:09:39 AM11/7/23
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 11:46:01 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk>
wrote:
>In message <uid1m8$ucob$1...@dont-email.me> at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 09:57:28,
>Serena Blanchflower <nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> writes
>>
>>Helen Archer’s ex continues his mind games, having returned from his
>>death bed – just when we thought we were safe
>>
>><https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/charlotte-higgins-
>>on-the-archers-is-evil-rob-channeling-glenn-close-in-fatal-attraction>,
>>aka <https://tinyl.io/9iRC>
>
>(I wish the Grauniad would take a 50p donation - I might give one
>sometimes.)
If you were to save up all the times when you feel you might like to
make a 50p donation, you could make a one-off £5 donation instead.
>
>I object to "“He’s playing you, Alan,” hissed the vicar’s more
>intelligent wife, Usha." Not to denigrate Usha's intelligence, but Alan
>had no choice: if we assume he has the faith his profession implies, he
>_has_ to give the benefit of the doubt - even to the extent that I was
>surprised at his honesty to Rob (I think he more or less did say "I
>don't believe you" at one point) - and regardless of his own faith, I
>suspect he's under obligation to, as part of his job (what the bishop
>might say/do).
Ahem. Alan's been at the vicaring long enough that he really ought to
know that he does have a choice. Just take one example, The Sermon on
the Mount. It's not all about Greeks and Cheesemakers: there's a whole
section (Matt ch7 v15-ish onwards) which warns about people who aren't
all that they seem. It's a tough call to make, I agree. But it is his
call to make.
Nick
wrote:
>In message <uid1m8$ucob$1...@dont-email.me> at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 09:57:28,
>Serena Blanchflower <nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> writes
>>
>>Helen Archer’s ex continues his mind games, having returned from his
>>death bed – just when we thought we were safe
>>
>><https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/charlotte-higgins-
>>on-the-archers-is-evil-rob-channeling-glenn-close-in-fatal-attraction>,
>>aka <https://tinyl.io/9iRC>
>
>(I wish the Grauniad would take a 50p donation - I might give one
>sometimes.)
make a 50p donation, you could make a one-off £5 donation instead.
>
>I object to "“He’s playing you, Alan,” hissed the vicar’s more
>intelligent wife, Usha." Not to denigrate Usha's intelligence, but Alan
>had no choice: if we assume he has the faith his profession implies, he
>_has_ to give the benefit of the doubt - even to the extent that I was
>surprised at his honesty to Rob (I think he more or less did say "I
>don't believe you" at one point) - and regardless of his own faith, I
>suspect he's under obligation to, as part of his job (what the bishop
>might say/do).
know that he does have a choice. Just take one example, The Sermon on
the Mount. It's not all about Greeks and Cheesemakers: there's a whole
section (Matt ch7 v15-ish onwards) which warns about people who aren't
all that they seem. It's a tough call to make, I agree. But it is his
call to make.
Nick
Serena Blanchflower
Nov 7, 2023, 9:23:29 AM11/7/23
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On 07/11/2023 11:50, Vicky wrote:
> I like Ed and Eddie and am currently reading the synopses on the BBC
> site, not listening, but fb folk seem to be reporting that they
> challenged Oliver quite aggressively. I don't like to think of two
> younger, stronger men accosting an elderly man in any way
> unpleasantly. Also as he lives with Eddie and Clarrieit would make it
> uncomfortable for him, and might lead to their being asked to leave,
It was classic Grundy outrage and they were both being extremely
> site, not listening, but fb folk seem to be reporting that they
> challenged Oliver quite aggressively. I don't like to think of two
> younger, stronger men accosting an elderly man in any way
> unpleasantly. Also as he lives with Eddie and Clarrieit would make it
> uncomfortable for him, and might lead to their being asked to leave,
entitled and unpleasant to him.
There is an interesting potential legal conundrum over who could evict
whom from Grange Farm. Normally, if the landlord is living in the house
with his tenants, they are classed as lodgers and have precious few
legal rights. When the Grundys first rented Grange Farm from Oliver
though, he wasn't living there and they were, doubtless, tenants.
Oliver then moved in with them, which raises the question of whether he
is their lodger, as well as being their landlord, or have they become
lodgers?
As for the legal situation of Ed and Emma's caravan, heaven alone knows!
If Ed and Eddie upset Oliver enough, this may all become rather relevant...
> Having complained about Ms Higgins' grammar I'm now worried about
> their or them in that last sentence.
--
Best wishes, Serena
"It is not the mountain we conquer but ourselves." - Sir Edmund Hillary
Jenny M Benson
Nov 7, 2023, 9:44:02 AM11/7/23
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Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK
Jim Easterbrook
Nov 7, 2023, 10:03:56 AM11/7/23
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 14:23:26 +0000, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> There is an interesting potential legal conundrum over who could evict
> whom from Grange Farm. Normally, if the landlord is living in the house
> with his tenants, they are classed as lodgers and have precious few
> legal rights. When the Grundys first rented Grange Farm from Oliver
> though, he wasn't living there and they were, doubtless, tenants.
> Oliver then moved in with them, which raises the question of whether he
> is their lodger, as well as being their landlord, or have they become
> lodgers?
Sounds like a case for Mr Justice Cocklecarrot.
> There is an interesting potential legal conundrum over who could evict
> whom from Grange Farm. Normally, if the landlord is living in the house
> with his tenants, they are classed as lodgers and have precious few
> legal rights. When the Grundys first rented Grange Farm from Oliver
> though, he wasn't living there and they were, doubtless, tenants.
> Oliver then moved in with them, which raises the question of whether he
> is their lodger, as well as being their landlord, or have they become
> lodgers?
--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0
carolet
Nov 7, 2023, 10:06:05 AM11/7/23
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On 07/11/2023 09:57, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>
> Helen Archer’s ex continues his mind games, having returned from his
> death bed – just when we thought we were safe
>
> <https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/charlotte-higgins-on-the-archers-is-evil-rob-channeling-glenn-close-in-fatal-attraction>,
> aka <https://tinyl.io/9iRC>
Is this an online only thing or does it appear in the paper too? The url
>
> Helen Archer’s ex continues his mind games, having returned from his
> death bed – just when we thought we were safe
>
> <https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/charlotte-higgins-on-the-archers-is-evil-rob-channeling-glenn-close-in-fatal-attraction>,
> aka <https://tinyl.io/9iRC>
implies that it is in today's paper, but I can't see it in there.
--
CaroleT
Serena Blanchflower
Nov 7, 2023, 10:55:12 AM11/7/23
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On 07/11/2023 15:03, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 14:23:26 +0000, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>
>> There is an interesting potential legal conundrum over who could evict
>> whom from Grange Farm. Normally, if the landlord is living in the house
>> with his tenants, they are classed as lodgers and have precious few
>> legal rights. When the Grundys first rented Grange Farm from Oliver
>> though, he wasn't living there and they were, doubtless, tenants.
>> Oliver then moved in with them, which raises the question of whether he
>> is their lodger, as well as being their landlord, or have they become
>> lodgers?
>
> Sounds like a case for Mr Justice Cocklecarrot.
>
Whozat?
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 14:23:26 +0000, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>
>> There is an interesting potential legal conundrum over who could evict
>> whom from Grange Farm. Normally, if the landlord is living in the house
>> with his tenants, they are classed as lodgers and have precious few
>> legal rights. When the Grundys first rented Grange Farm from Oliver
>> though, he wasn't living there and they were, doubtless, tenants.
>> Oliver then moved in with them, which raises the question of whether he
>> is their lodger, as well as being their landlord, or have they become
>> lodgers?
>
> Sounds like a case for Mr Justice Cocklecarrot.
>
If I find myself at a lose end, and feeling bored, it might become a
case for uk.legal.moderated ;)
--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. What do you call just married spiders?
A. Newly-webs.
Serena Blanchflower
Nov 7, 2023, 10:56:59 AM11/7/23
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that, sometimes, things are published on different schedules online vs
hard-copy. I don't know which day it normally appears in print.
--
Best wishes, Serena
The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity.
John Ashby
Nov 7, 2023, 11:16:29 AM11/7/23
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On 07/11/2023 15:03, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 14:23:26 +0000, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>
>> There is an interesting potential legal conundrum over who could evict
>> whom from Grange Farm. Normally, if the landlord is living in the house
>> with his tenants, they are classed as lodgers and have precious few
>> legal rights. When the Grundys first rented Grange Farm from Oliver
>> though, he wasn't living there and they were, doubtless, tenants.
>> Oliver then moved in with them, which raises the question of whether he
>> is their lodger, as well as being their landlord, or have they become
>> lodgers?
>
> Sounds like a case for Mr Justice Cocklecarrot.
>
Where are we going to find red bearded dwarves in Borsetshire?
>
>> There is an interesting potential legal conundrum over who could evict
>> whom from Grange Farm. Normally, if the landlord is living in the house
>> with his tenants, they are classed as lodgers and have precious few
>> legal rights. When the Grundys first rented Grange Farm from Oliver
>> though, he wasn't living there and they were, doubtless, tenants.
>> Oliver then moved in with them, which raises the question of whether he
>> is their lodger, as well as being their landlord, or have they become
>> lodgers?
>
> Sounds like a case for Mr Justice Cocklecarrot.
>
Can Terry Two-phones supply?
john (Aren't you rather tall for a dwarf?)
Jim Easterbrook
Nov 7, 2023, 11:28:58 AM11/7/23
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 15:55:08 +0000, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> On 07/11/2023 15:03, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like a case for Mr Justice Cocklecarrot.
>>
> Whozat?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beachcomber_(pen_name)#Recurrent_characters
> On 07/11/2023 15:03, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like a case for Mr Justice Cocklecarrot.
>>
> Whozat?
Vicky
Nov 7, 2023, 1:55:00 PM11/7/23
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Sam Plusnet
Nov 7, 2023, 2:42:24 PM11/7/23
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rather crowded out by the upstart "spun" for both the past participle
and simple past forms.
--
Sam Plusnet
Kate B
Nov 7, 2023, 2:56:06 PM11/7/23
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auxiliary verb, eg 'had spun out of control'. I was rather happy to see it.
--
Kate B
Wenlock
Nov 7, 2023, 3:15:30 PM11/7/23
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Pin - Pinned - Pinned
Win - Won - Won
I’m sure it all makes perfick sense.
Iain Archer
Nov 7, 2023, 8:17:06 PM11/7/23
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Swan swam over the sea.
Swim, swan, swim.
Swan swam back again.
Well swum swan.
Jenny M Benson
Nov 8, 2023, 5:52:57 AM11/8/23
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On 07/11/2023 20:15, Wenlock wrote:
> Spin - Span - Spun
> Pin - Pinned - Pinned
> Win - Won - Won
>
> I’m sure it all makes perfick sense.
Listening to Susie Dent's podcast Something Rhymes with Purple I have
> Spin - Span - Spun
> Pin - Pinned - Pinned
> Win - Won - Won
>
> I’m sure it all makes perfick sense.
just learned that the OED no longer includes ROOVES as the plural of ROOF.
I don't think I've had occasion to refer to more than one roof for a
*very* long time and I'm not sure now which plural I would have chosen.
Vicky
Nov 8, 2023, 6:48:25 AM11/8/23
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oh. hooves...hmmmmmm hoofs..all 4 hoofs...
poofs...pooves..prefer poofs
J. P. Gilliver
Nov 8, 2023, 8:27:19 AM11/8/23
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In message <i7tmkip6g4slscet4...@4ax.com> at Wed, 8 Nov
2023 11:48:21, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com> writes
ever escapes! It might have been moved though, possibly to its own entry
(it would be the other side of room, wouldn't it) marked archaic or
obsolete.
>>*very* long time and I'm not sure now which plural I would have chosen.
>
>I don't like rooves. I'd use roofs. goofs? he goofs off.
That's a present tense, not a plural (maybe that's what your "oh"
meant). I'd certainly use goofs though, to mean more than one goof -
definitely not gooves!
>oh. hooves...hmmmmmm hoofs..all 4 hoofs...
I think I'd still use ve there.
>poofs...pooves..prefer poofs
Isn't that non-PC - or even stronger - these days?
In genealogy, I like spice (by analogy with mice) for multiple partners
(-:
- Bette Davis, quoted by Celia Imrie, RT 2014/3/12-18
2023 11:48:21, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com> writes
>On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 10:52:53 +0000, Jenny M Benson
><Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 07/11/2023 20:15, Wenlock wrote:
>>> Spin - Span - Spun
>>> Pin - Pinned - Pinned
>>> Win - Won - Won
>>>
>>> I’m sure it all makes perfick sense.
>>
>>Listening to Susie Dent's podcast Something Rhymes with Purple I have
>>just learned that the OED no longer includes ROOVES as the plural of ROOF.
I doubt it's gone completely - once something gets in, I don't think it
><Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 07/11/2023 20:15, Wenlock wrote:
>>> Spin - Span - Spun
>>> Pin - Pinned - Pinned
>>> Win - Won - Won
>>>
>>> I’m sure it all makes perfick sense.
>>
>>Listening to Susie Dent's podcast Something Rhymes with Purple I have
>>just learned that the OED no longer includes ROOVES as the plural of ROOF.
ever escapes! It might have been moved though, possibly to its own entry
(it would be the other side of room, wouldn't it) marked archaic or
obsolete.
>>
>>I don't think I've had occasion to refer to more than one roof for a
"High winds ... trees may be uprooted, roofs blown off ..."
>>I don't think I've had occasion to refer to more than one roof for a
>>*very* long time and I'm not sure now which plural I would have chosen.
>
>I don't like rooves. I'd use roofs. goofs? he goofs off.
meant). I'd certainly use goofs though, to mean more than one goof -
definitely not gooves!
>oh. hooves...hmmmmmm hoofs..all 4 hoofs...
>poofs...pooves..prefer poofs
Isn't that non-PC - or even stronger - these days?
In genealogy, I like spice (by analogy with mice) for multiple partners
(-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Never rely on somebody else for your happiness.
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
- Bette Davis, quoted by Celia Imrie, RT 2014/3/12-18
Nick Odell
Nov 8, 2023, 8:31:43 AM11/8/23
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seasoned professionals.
I'm pretty sure that this week, on the Today programme, while they
were reviewing the papers, one said to the other, Didn't we read out
that headline yesterday?
The other replied, Yes, but that was in the on-line edition.
Nick
John Ashby
Nov 8, 2023, 8:32:07 AM11/8/23
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john
J. P. Gilliver
Nov 8, 2023, 8:47:18 AM11/8/23
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In message <uig2kk$1k7f8$1...@dont-email.me> at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 13:32:04,
John Ashby <johna...@yahoo.com> writes
Thinking about that one, I think the v for some words is to overcome the
(slight) difficulty of (in this case) pronouncing rfs. Less difficult
oofs, though the fs is still slightly harder than vs.
Maybe.
have been commissioned these days. 798 episodes later ...
John Ashby <johna...@yahoo.com> writes
(slight) difficulty of (in this case) pronouncing rfs. Less difficult
oofs, though the fs is still slightly harder than vs.
Maybe.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
... a series about a grumpy old man who lives in a phone box is unlikely to
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
have been commissioned these days. 798 episodes later ...
Sam Plusnet
Nov 8, 2023, 4:03:45 PM11/8/23
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On 08-Nov-23 13:18, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <i7tmkip6g4slscet4...@4ax.com> at Wed, 8 Nov
> 2023 11:48:21, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com> writes
> In message <i7tmkip6g4slscet4...@4ax.com> at Wed, 8 Nov
> 2023 11:48:21, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com> writes
>> poofs...pooves..prefer poofs
>
> Isn't that non-PC - or even stronger - these days?
Think furniture. (Although I haven't seen one in many a decade.)
>
> Isn't that non-PC - or even stronger - these days?
--
Sam Plusnet
Sally Thompson
Nov 8, 2023, 4:19:25 PM11/8/23
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Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
change it.
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
J. P. Gilliver
Nov 8, 2023, 7:37:47 PM11/8/23
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In message <OIS2N.7$%p%e...@fx43.iad> at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 21:03:42, Sam
Plusnet <n...@home.com> writes
Ah. I think of those as pouffes. Though I too haven't seen one for a
while (other than the [rectangular] one I inherited). (My spellchecker
doesn't know that spelling though.)
Plusnet <n...@home.com> writes
while (other than the [rectangular] one I inherited). (My spellchecker
doesn't know that spelling though.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Only dirty people need wash
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Wenlock
Nov 8, 2023, 10:29:26 PM11/8/23
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J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <uig2kk$1k7f8$1...@dont-email.me> at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 13:32:04,
> John Ashby <johna...@yahoo.com> writes
>>
> John Ashby <johna...@yahoo.com> writes
>>
>> Dwarf, dwarves (whatever happened to dwerrow?)
>
>
> Thinking about that one, I think the v for some words is to overcome the
> (slight) difficulty of (in this case) pronouncing rfs. Less difficult
> oofs, though the fs is still slightly harder than vs.
>
> Maybe.
“Dwarves” is pretty much down to Tolkien (as are pretty much any related
> (slight) difficulty of (in this case) pronouncing rfs. Less difficult
> oofs, though the fs is still slightly harder than vs.
>
> Maybe.
words using v, as in “dearvish” for the language gormally called Khuzdul.)
Before him the plural was “dwarfs” (see the 1937 Disney film for the most
obvious example.)
Iain Archer
Nov 8, 2023, 10:29:32 PM11/8/23
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obvious and better choice, and I've never thought that it was even falling
into disuse. So it was startling when I did some ngram searches, such as
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=some+rooves%2C+some+roofs&year_start=1700&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2009&smoothing=3>
and found not a trace of "rooves" reported found within books, alone or within
a phrase. I've never seen a null result like that before. Is anyone else
surprised? I'm wondering whether a corpus of spoken English might differ.
It's still in the online OED I go to, though the entry there was last updated
in 2010, with 3-monthly minor amendments. I can't imagine it disappearing
from the OED, the OED being what it is. Whereabouts can I find the mention?
I've saved and skimmed the 7 November podcast, but not found it yet.
Iain
J. P. Gilliver
Nov 9, 2023, 3:08:06 AM11/9/23
to
In message <uih3vf$1r4kd$1...@dont-email.me> at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 23:01:03,
Wenlock <wenloc...@googlemail.com> writes
I don't think he would have abused his position (and I'm pretty sure
there are checks in place anyway, ref. joxquiz), but Tolkien actually
worked for the OED for a while.
>
KF (don't think I've ever done one on UMRA!) by proxy: my brother (with
two others) wrote a book about Tolkien's time on the OED: "The ring of
words" (see what they did there), quite a few years ago. It did
moderately well.
Wenlock <wenloc...@googlemail.com> writes
there are checks in place anyway, ref. joxquiz), but Tolkien actually
worked for the OED for a while.
>
KF (don't think I've ever done one on UMRA!) by proxy: my brother (with
two others) wrote a book about Tolkien's time on the OED: "The ring of
words" (see what they did there), quite a few years ago. It did
moderately well.
>
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Who's General Failure & why's he reading my disk? (Stolen from another .sig)
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Vicky
Nov 9, 2023, 4:44:05 AM11/9/23
to
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 00:33:00 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk>
wrote:
>In message <OIS2N.7$%p%e...@fx43.iad> at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 21:03:42, Sam
>Plusnet <n...@home.com> writes
>>On 08-Nov-23 13:18, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <i7tmkip6g4slscet4...@4ax.com> at Wed, 8 Nov
>>>2023 11:48:21, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com> writes
>>
>>>> poofs...pooves..prefer poofs
>>> Isn't that non-PC - or even stronger - these days?
>>
>>Think furniture. (Although I haven't seen one in many a decade.)
>>
>Ah. I think of those as pouffes. Though I too haven't seen one for a
>while (other than the [rectangular] one I inherited). (My spellchecker
>doesn't know that spelling though.)
They might be footstools now, although those are bugger.
wrote:
>In message <OIS2N.7$%p%e...@fx43.iad> at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 21:03:42, Sam
>Plusnet <n...@home.com> writes
>>On 08-Nov-23 13:18, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <i7tmkip6g4slscet4...@4ax.com> at Wed, 8 Nov
>>>2023 11:48:21, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com> writes
>>
>>>> poofs...pooves..prefer poofs
>>> Isn't that non-PC - or even stronger - these days?
>>
>>Think furniture. (Although I haven't seen one in many a decade.)
>>
>Ah. I think of those as pouffes. Though I too haven't seen one for a
>while (other than the [rectangular] one I inherited). (My spellchecker
>doesn't know that spelling though.)
John Ashby
Nov 9, 2023, 4:57:27 AM11/9/23
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john
Jenny M Benson
Nov 9, 2023, 5:06:50 AM11/9/23
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On 09/11/2023 01:58, Iain Archer wrote:
> It's still in the online OED I go to, though the entry there was last updated
> in 2010, with 3-monthly minor amendments. I can't imagine it disappearing
> from the OED, the OED being what it is. Whereabouts can I find the mention?
> I've saved and skimmed the 7 November podcast, but not found it yet.
No, I got a bit behind and it would have been in the 31 Oct one... ah
> It's still in the online OED I go to, though the entry there was last updated
> in 2010, with 3-monthly minor amendments. I can't imagine it disappearing
> from the OED, the OED being what it is. Whereabouts can I find the mention?
> I've saved and skimmed the 7 November podcast, but not found it yet.
yes! They started talking about "leaf", then "leaves". Susie said
"It's not rooves any more ... I do remember being surprised on Countdown
when someone came up with "rooves" to see it's not in there any more."
J. P. Gilliver
Nov 9, 2023, 5:18:09 AM11/9/23
to
In message <kr3p9n...@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 9 Nov 2023
10:06:47, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
I suspect Countdown don't use the full OED, but a smaller one. Possibly
not an Oxford one at all: I know the Scrabble world uses Chambers.
(Has anyone recently bought a Scrabble set? I'm just wondering if the
examples shown - IIRR inside the box lid - still uses the word "pi" as
an example.)
a dead beetle in the bottom. - Wodehouse
10:06:47, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
not an Oxford one at all: I know the Scrabble world uses Chambers.
(Has anyone recently bought a Scrabble set? I'm just wondering if the
examples shown - IIRR inside the box lid - still uses the word "pi" as
an example.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
looking like one who had drunk the cup of life and found
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
a dead beetle in the bottom. - Wodehouse
Iain Archer
Nov 9, 2023, 7:09:27 AM11/9/23
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2023 10:12:55 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <kr3p9n...@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 9 Nov 2023
> 10:06:47, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>>On 09/11/2023 01:58, Iain Archer wrote:
>>> It's still in the online OED I go to, though the entry there was last updated
>>> in 2010, with 3-monthly minor amendments. I can't imagine it disappearing
>>> from the OED, the OED being what it is. Whereabouts can I find the mention?
>>> I've saved and skimmed the 7 November podcast, but not found it yet.
>>
>>No, I got a bit behind and it would have been in the 31 Oct one... ah
>>yes! They started talking about "leaf", then "leaves". Susie said
>>"It's not rooves any more ... I do remember being surprised on
>>Countdown when someone came up with "rooves" to see it's not in there
>>any more."
Thanks, Jenny. Do you remember its approximate whereabouts in the
> In message <kr3p9n...@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 9 Nov 2023
> 10:06:47, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>>On 09/11/2023 01:58, Iain Archer wrote:
>>> It's still in the online OED I go to, though the entry there was last updated
>>> in 2010, with 3-monthly minor amendments. I can't imagine it disappearing
>>> from the OED, the OED being what it is. Whereabouts can I find the mention?
>>> I've saved and skimmed the 7 November podcast, but not found it yet.
>>
>>No, I got a bit behind and it would have been in the 31 Oct one... ah
>>yes! They started talking about "leaf", then "leaves". Susie said
>>"It's not rooves any more ... I do remember being surprised on
>>Countdown when someone came up with "rooves" to see it's not in there
>>any more."
file? I listened through fifteen minutes of mainly Gyles Brandreth and ads
in the 7/11 edition before diverting it to my voice recorder, and have no
amanuensis.
>>
> I suspect Countdown don't use the full OED, but a smaller one. Possibly
> not an Oxford one at all: I know the Scrabble world uses Chambers.
The Chambers app on my phone -- its Help section refers to the 13th
> I suspect Countdown don't use the full OED, but a smaller one. Possibly
> not an Oxford one at all: I know the Scrabble world uses Chambers.
(still the latest main) edition, though I assume it's briefer -- does
have just "pl roofs". The online 21st Century edition, otoh, says
"roof noun (roofs or common in spoken English, but non-standard
in writing rooves)", which is helpful.
--
Iain
“The Chambers Dictionary stands out like a baroque mansion in a city
of faceless concrete” – Melvyn Bragg
Serena Blanchflower
Nov 9, 2023, 8:25:41 AM11/9/23
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roofs.
--
Best wishes, Serena
What boots up must come down.
Jenny M Benson
Nov 9, 2023, 8:52:45 AM11/9/23
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On 09/11/2023 12:09, Iain Archer wrote:
> Thanks, Jenny. Do you remember its approximate whereabouts in the
> file? I listened through fifteen minutes of mainly Gyles Brandreth and ads
> in the 7/11 edition before diverting it to my voice recorder, and have no
> amanuensis.
It's at 14:00.
> Thanks, Jenny. Do you remember its approximate whereabouts in the
> file? I listened through fifteen minutes of mainly Gyles Brandreth and ads
> in the 7/11 edition before diverting it to my voice recorder, and have no
> amanuensis.
Yes, Gyles is a bit OTT, isn't he?!
Jim Easterbrook
Nov 9, 2023, 9:17:22 AM11/9/23
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 13:52:41 +0000, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> Yes, Gyles is a bit OTT, isn't he?!
And the pope's a bit Catholic.
> Yes, Gyles is a bit OTT, isn't he?!
Penny
Nov 9, 2023, 9:25:38 AM11/9/23
to
On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 10:52:53 +0000, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk>
scrawled in the dust...
>Listening to Susie Dent's podcast Something Rhymes with Purple I have
>just learned that the OED no longer includes ROOVES as the plural of ROOF.
>
>I don't think I've had occasion to refer to more than one roof for a
>*very* long time and I'm not sure now which plural I would have chosen.
I continue to use rooves and dwarves (are there other examples), as I was
taught at school. People do query it. I still think roofs looks and sounds
wrong (not so bothered about the dwarves - it's probably a cancelled term -
what would Walt say?).
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
scrawled in the dust...
>Listening to Susie Dent's podcast Something Rhymes with Purple I have
>just learned that the OED no longer includes ROOVES as the plural of ROOF.
>
>I don't think I've had occasion to refer to more than one roof for a
>*very* long time and I'm not sure now which plural I would have chosen.
taught at school. People do query it. I still think roofs looks and sounds
wrong (not so bothered about the dwarves - it's probably a cancelled term -
what would Walt say?).
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Penny
Nov 9, 2023, 9:49:48 AM11/9/23
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 10:12:55 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk>
scrawled in the dust...
>In message <kr3p9n...@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 9 Nov 2023
>10:06:47, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>>On 09/11/2023 01:58, Iain Archer wrote:
>>> It's still in the online OED I go to, though the entry there was last updated
>>> in 2010, with 3-monthly minor amendments. I can't imagine it disappearing
>>> from the OED, the OED being what it is. Whereabouts can I find the mention?
>>> I've saved and skimmed the 7 November podcast, but not found it yet.
>>
>>No, I got a bit behind and it would have been in the 31 Oct one... ah
>>yes! They started talking about "leaf", then "leaves". Susie said
>>"It's not rooves any more ... I do remember being surprised on
>>Countdown when someone came up with "rooves" to see it's not in there
>>any more."
>>
>I suspect Countdown don't use the full OED, but a smaller one. Possibly
>not an Oxford one at all: I know the Scrabble world uses Chambers.
The prize always used to be a full set of the OED. The book they
interrogate at Dent's desk is certainly a single volume and they do use a
mini camera on it. It doesn't look big enough to be the compact version - 2
volumes with 4 pages to the page and a magnifying glass, I have a copy - so
it's probably the condensed.
I haven't watched it for years, but they certainly don't use Chambers (my
favourite). The mother of one of daughter's school friends failed to win
one season because hampster is not in the OED.
scrawled in the dust...
>In message <kr3p9n...@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 9 Nov 2023
>10:06:47, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>>On 09/11/2023 01:58, Iain Archer wrote:
>>> It's still in the online OED I go to, though the entry there was last updated
>>> in 2010, with 3-monthly minor amendments. I can't imagine it disappearing
>>> from the OED, the OED being what it is. Whereabouts can I find the mention?
>>> I've saved and skimmed the 7 November podcast, but not found it yet.
>>
>>No, I got a bit behind and it would have been in the 31 Oct one... ah
>>yes! They started talking about "leaf", then "leaves". Susie said
>>"It's not rooves any more ... I do remember being surprised on
>>Countdown when someone came up with "rooves" to see it's not in there
>>any more."
>>
>I suspect Countdown don't use the full OED, but a smaller one. Possibly
>not an Oxford one at all: I know the Scrabble world uses Chambers.
interrogate at Dent's desk is certainly a single volume and they do use a
mini camera on it. It doesn't look big enough to be the compact version - 2
volumes with 4 pages to the page and a magnifying glass, I have a copy - so
it's probably the condensed.
I haven't watched it for years, but they certainly don't use Chambers (my
favourite). The mother of one of daughter's school friends failed to win
one season because hampster is not in the OED.
Nick Odell
Nov 9, 2023, 12:36:18 PM11/9/23
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2023 09:44:02 +0000, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I suspect that, given the choice, a footstool might prefer to be
called a pouffe than a bugger.
Nick
wrote:
called a pouffe than a bugger.
Nick
Nick Odell
Nov 9, 2023, 12:40:19 PM11/9/23
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 08:02:18 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk>
image of JRR Tolkien <ahem> abusing his position <ahem> behind his
desk at the OED
Nick
wrote:
>In message <uih3vf$1r4kd$1...@dont-email.me> at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 23:01:03,
>Wenlock <wenloc...@googlemail.com> writes
>>J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uig2kk$1k7f8$1...@dont-email.me> at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 13:32:04,
>>> John Ashby <johna...@yahoo.com> writes
>>>>
>>>> Dwarf, dwarves (whatever happened to dwerrow?)
>>
>>>
>>> Thinking about that one, I think the v for some words is to overcome the
>>> (slight) difficulty of (in this case) pronouncing rfs. Less difficult
>>> oofs, though the fs is still slightly harder than vs.
>>>
>>> Maybe.
>>
>>“Dwarves” is pretty much down to Tolkien (as are pretty much any related
>>words using v, as in “dearvish” for the language gormally called Khuzdul.)
>>Before him the plural was “dwarfs” (see the 1937 Disney film for the most
>>obvious example.)
>>
>I don't think he would have abused his position (and I'm pretty sure
>there are checks in place anyway, ref. joxquiz), but Tolkien actually
>worked for the OED for a while.
>>
>KF (don't think I've ever done one on UMRA!) by proxy: my brother (with
>two others) wrote a book about Tolkien's time on the OED: "The ring of
>words" (see what they did there), quite a few years ago. It did
>moderately well.
>>
I'm afraid I've been left by those comments with the shocking mental
>In message <uih3vf$1r4kd$1...@dont-email.me> at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 23:01:03,
>Wenlock <wenloc...@googlemail.com> writes
>>J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uig2kk$1k7f8$1...@dont-email.me> at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 13:32:04,
>>> John Ashby <johna...@yahoo.com> writes
>>>>
>>>> Dwarf, dwarves (whatever happened to dwerrow?)
>>
>>>
>>> Thinking about that one, I think the v for some words is to overcome the
>>> (slight) difficulty of (in this case) pronouncing rfs. Less difficult
>>> oofs, though the fs is still slightly harder than vs.
>>>
>>> Maybe.
>>
>>“Dwarves” is pretty much down to Tolkien (as are pretty much any related
>>words using v, as in “dearvish” for the language gormally called Khuzdul.)
>>Before him the plural was “dwarfs” (see the 1937 Disney film for the most
>>obvious example.)
>>
>I don't think he would have abused his position (and I'm pretty sure
>there are checks in place anyway, ref. joxquiz), but Tolkien actually
>worked for the OED for a while.
>>
>KF (don't think I've ever done one on UMRA!) by proxy: my brother (with
>two others) wrote a book about Tolkien's time on the OED: "The ring of
>words" (see what they did there), quite a few years ago. It did
>moderately well.
>>
image of JRR Tolkien <ahem> abusing his position <ahem> behind his
desk at the OED
Nick
Nick Odell
Nov 9, 2023, 12:45:14 PM11/9/23
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On 9 Nov 2023 14:17:19 GMT, Jim Easterbrook
truism. According to the Argentine presidential hopeful, Javier Milei,
the Pope is a "filthy leftist."
Nick
<ne...@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 13:52:41 +0000, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>
>> Yes, Gyles is a bit OTT, isn't he?!
>
>And the pope's a bit Catholic.
Hmmm.. I'm not sure how much longer we will be able to use that as a
>On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 13:52:41 +0000, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>
>> Yes, Gyles is a bit OTT, isn't he?!
>
>And the pope's a bit Catholic.
truism. According to the Argentine presidential hopeful, Javier Milei,
the Pope is a "filthy leftist."
Nick
Nick Odell
Nov 9, 2023, 12:49:38 PM11/9/23
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2023 04:40:20 +0000, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:
But Hampster is an archaic spelling: it doesn't even appear as a
variant in my 1928 Nuttal's.
Nick
wrote:
variant in my 1928 Nuttal's.
Nick
J. P. Gilliver
Nov 9, 2023, 1:38:34 PM11/9/23
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In message <2i2mki1rh8t3a0kme...@4ax.com> at Wed, 8 Nov
2023 04:16:10, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
Good point: there aren't a lot of nouns ending in f! (I think double f -
quiff and spliff - would stay f. And definitely stiff [corpse].)
>taught at school. People do query it. I still think roofs looks and sounds
>wrong (not so bothered about the dwarves - it's probably a cancelled term -
>what would Walt say?).
Do we know what the little people themselves (ah, there's another
variant word!) prefer? I remember some controversy a few years ago over
dwarf tossing (no, not like somerat imagined Tolkien: it meant
throwing), which was suggested was a discriminatory activity, until some
pointed out it was nevertheless a source of income.
2023 04:16:10, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 10:52:53 +0000, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk>
>scrawled in the dust...
>
>>Listening to Susie Dent's podcast Something Rhymes with Purple I have
>>just learned that the OED no longer includes ROOVES as the plural of ROOF.
>>
>>I don't think I've had occasion to refer to more than one roof for a
>>*very* long time and I'm not sure now which plural I would have chosen.
>
>I continue to use rooves and dwarves (are there other examples), as I was
elf, sheaf - I'd definitely v those. Not sure about MILF ... or quiff.
>scrawled in the dust...
>
>>Listening to Susie Dent's podcast Something Rhymes with Purple I have
>>just learned that the OED no longer includes ROOVES as the plural of ROOF.
>>
>>I don't think I've had occasion to refer to more than one roof for a
>>*very* long time and I'm not sure now which plural I would have chosen.
>
>I continue to use rooves and dwarves (are there other examples), as I was
Good point: there aren't a lot of nouns ending in f! (I think double f -
quiff and spliff - would stay f. And definitely stiff [corpse].)
>taught at school. People do query it. I still think roofs looks and sounds
>wrong (not so bothered about the dwarves - it's probably a cancelled term -
>what would Walt say?).
variant word!) prefer? I remember some controversy a few years ago over
dwarf tossing (no, not like somerat imagined Tolkien: it meant
throwing), which was suggested was a discriminatory activity, until some
pointed out it was nevertheless a source of income.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
<This space unintentionally left blank>.
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Vicky
Nov 9, 2023, 1:42:56 PM11/9/23
to
Vicky
Nov 9, 2023, 1:45:14 PM11/9/23
to
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:34:20 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk>
wrote:
Maybe when speaking I'd go somewhere between roofs and rooves
wrote:
Serena Blanchflower
Nov 9, 2023, 3:05:13 PM11/9/23
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knew they certainly used to use the OED, as initially the person in
Dictionary Corner (not always Susie Dent) was from the OED. They
haven't deserted it but apparently, nowadays, they use the online
version, rather than a paper dictionary complete with pencam.
<https://www.channel4.com/press/news/countdowns-dictionary-corner-use-oxford-dictionaries-online>
--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. What do you call a man with jelly in one ear and custard in the other?
A. A trifle deaf.
J. P. Gilliver
Nov 9, 2023, 6:28:44 PM11/9/23
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In message <uije1n$24cqo$1...@dont-email.me> at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 20:05:10,
Serena Blanchflower <nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> writes
edition has 9 pages to the page, and you _really_ need the magnifier! [I
used to be able to mostly read the other one without, though probably
couldn't now.])
>> I haven't watched it for years, but they certainly don't use
>>Chambers (my
>> favourite). The mother of one of daughter's school friends failed to win
>> one season because hampster is not in the OED.
>>
>
>I was sufficiently interested to look up which dictionary they use. I
>knew they certainly used to use the OED, as initially the person in
>Dictionary Corner (not always Susie Dent) was from the OED. They
>haven't deserted it but apparently, nowadays, they use the online
>version, rather than a paper dictionary complete with pencam.
>
><https://www.channel4.com/press/news/countdowns-dictionary-corner-use-oxford-dictionaries-online>
So I'm surprised words have "disappeared". Maybe they have a "must not
be archaic/obsolete" rule.
Serena Blanchflower <nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> writes
>On 08/11/2023 04:40, Penny wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 10:12:55 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk>
>> scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>> In message <kr3p9n...@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 9 Nov 2023
>>> 10:06:47, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
[]
>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 10:12:55 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk>
>> scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>> In message <kr3p9n...@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 9 Nov 2023
>>> 10:06:47, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>>>> "It's not rooves any more ... I do remember being surprised on
>>>> Countdown when someone came up with "rooves" to see it's not in there
>>>> any more."
>>>>
>>> I suspect Countdown don't use the full OED, but a smaller one. Possibly
>>> not an Oxford one at all: I know the Scrabble world uses Chambers.
>> The prize always used to be a full set of the OED. The book they
>> interrogate at Dent's desk is certainly a single volume and they do use a
>> mini camera on it. It doesn't look big enough to be the compact version - 2
>> volumes with 4 pages to the page and a magnifying glass, I have a copy - so
>> it's probably the condensed.
(That's the compact version of the first edition - a later compact
>>>> Countdown when someone came up with "rooves" to see it's not in there
>>>> any more."
>>>>
>>> I suspect Countdown don't use the full OED, but a smaller one. Possibly
>>> not an Oxford one at all: I know the Scrabble world uses Chambers.
>> The prize always used to be a full set of the OED. The book they
>> interrogate at Dent's desk is certainly a single volume and they do use a
>> mini camera on it. It doesn't look big enough to be the compact version - 2
>> volumes with 4 pages to the page and a magnifying glass, I have a copy - so
>> it's probably the condensed.
edition has 9 pages to the page, and you _really_ need the magnifier! [I
used to be able to mostly read the other one without, though probably
couldn't now.])
>> I haven't watched it for years, but they certainly don't use
>>Chambers (my
>> favourite). The mother of one of daughter's school friends failed to win
>> one season because hampster is not in the OED.
>>
>
>I was sufficiently interested to look up which dictionary they use. I
>knew they certainly used to use the OED, as initially the person in
>Dictionary Corner (not always Susie Dent) was from the OED. They
>haven't deserted it but apparently, nowadays, they use the online
>version, rather than a paper dictionary complete with pencam.
>
><https://www.channel4.com/press/news/countdowns-dictionary-corner-use-oxford-dictionaries-online>
be archaic/obsolete" rule.
>
>--
>Best wishes, Serena
>Q. What do you call a man with jelly in one ear and custard in the other?
>A. A trifle deaf.
>
A2. You can call him whatever you like: he won't hear you!
>--
>Best wishes, Serena
>Q. What do you call a man with jelly in one ear and custard in the other?
>A. A trifle deaf.
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Old professors don't fade away - they just lose their faculties.
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Wenlock
Nov 10, 2023, 4:16:00 PM11/10/23
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Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> I continue to use rooves and dwarves (are there other examples), as I was
> taught at school. People do query it. I still think roofs looks and sounds
> wrong (not so bothered about the dwarves - it's probably a cancelled term -
> what would Walt say?).
Walt said Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
> I continue to use rooves and dwarves (are there other examples), as I was
> taught at school. People do query it. I still think roofs looks and sounds
> wrong (not so bothered about the dwarves - it's probably a cancelled term -
> what would Walt say?).
Chris
Nov 10, 2023, 4:34:15 PM11/10/23
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Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> On 08-Nov-23 13:18, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <i7tmkip6g4slscet4...@4ax.com> at Wed, 8 Nov
>> 2023 11:48:21, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com> writes
>
>>> poofs...pooves..prefer poofs
>>
>> Isn't that non-PC - or even stronger - these days?
>
> Think furniture. (Although I haven't seen one in many a decade.)
>
It was spelt pouffe. As a child I sat on one at home until my legs were
> On 08-Nov-23 13:18, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <i7tmkip6g4slscet4...@4ax.com> at Wed, 8 Nov
>> 2023 11:48:21, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com> writes
>
>>> poofs...pooves..prefer poofs
>>
>> Isn't that non-PC - or even stronger - these days?
>
> Think furniture. (Although I haven't seen one in many a decade.)
>
long enough to reach the ground.
Mrs McT
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