King Charles the Unwell

[Mike McMillan]

Well, that didn’t take long did it?!


--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

[Sam Plusnet]

On 17-Jan-24 18:33, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Well, that didn’t take long did it?!

Isn't Kate Watzzername also in hospital?

I dunno. All these royals hogging NHS beds. Where will it all end I
ask you?

--
Sam Plusnet

[nick]

Well, I'm bloomin' well not dragging myself down to that London for
another state funeral for a while longer yet so they'd both better
hurry up and get better.

Nick

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <c648ae3254fab2c5...@www.novabbs.com> at Wed, 17
Jan 2024 19:47:48, nick <nicko...@yahoo.ca> writes

>Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>> On 17-Jan-24 18:33, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>> Well, that didn’t take long did it?!

He's got an enlarged prostate; that's more or less normal for older men.
Most of us live with it - it just means you go more often (because you
output less). I can see someone who probably has a busy life as I
imagine he does might find the need to go frequently more inconvenient,
so worth having it fixed.

>
>> Isn't Kate Watzzername also in hospital?

She's apparently had her surgery, which had been planned (presumably
that means it wasn't something unexpected). But not expected out until
Easter, which hints it's maybe something quite major.

>
>> I dunno. All these royals hogging NHS beds. Where will it all end I
>>ask you?

(-: - one report I heard specifically said she was in a private
hospital. I haven't heard that he is, but I expect so, for security
reasons if nothing else.

>
>Well, I'm bloomin' well not dragging myself down to that London for
>another state funeral for a while longer yet so they'd both better
>hurry up and get better.

(-: [I didn't go to the last one - it never occurred to me to do so. I
now don't go into the ULEZ unless I have a very good reason (which I
haven't so far).]
>
>Nick
John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I was never drawn to sport, to which I attribute my long life.
- Barry Humphries, RT 2016/1/9-15

[Jim Easterbrook]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 01:51:55 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
> He's got an enlarged prostate; that's more or less normal for older men.
> Most of us live with it - it just means you go more often (because you
> output less).

Surely that's wrong. He's royal. They don't go at all. They're not like us
you know.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

[Mike McMillan]

Jim Easterbrook <ne...@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 01:51:55 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>> He's got an enlarged prostate; that's more or less normal for older men.
>> Most of us live with it - it just means you go more often (because you
>> output less).
>
> Surely that's wrong. He's royal. They don't go at all. They're not like us
> you know.
>

Have you never heard of ‘The Royal Wee’?

[John Ashby]

On 18/01/2024 08:05, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 01:51:55 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>> He's got an enlarged prostate; that's more or less normal for older men.
>> Most of us live with it - it just means you go more often (because you
>> output less).
>
> Surely that's wrong. He's royal. They don't go at all. They're not like us
> you know.
>

No. they have more money.

hemingway

[Mike McMillan]

In my own case, my prostate was enlarged - with advanced cancer that had
not gone beyond the organ itself. This was treated with radiotherapy (20
fractions M’Lud) and 18 months of daily doses of Bicalutamide tablets. I
was told my prostate was too enlarged for surgical removal (even with Robby
the Robot) and unfortunately I have recently been told (after further …
ahem, digital examination, that the prostate has not shrunk back despite
the hope that it would do so after radiotherapy. Just yesterday, I started
on a new tablet in an attempt to relax the prostate and bladder which ‘may’
alleviate the need to wee every hour or half hour or even every ten
minutes!!! (THBAPSA I don’t think!)

[Vicky]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:18:13 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
<toodl...@virginmedia.com> wrote:

>> John
>
>In my own case, my prostate was enlarged - with advanced cancer that had
>not gone beyond the organ itself. This was treated with radiotherapy (20
>fractions M’Lud) and 18 months of daily doses of Bicalutamide tablets. I
>was told my prostate was too enlarged for surgical removal (even with Robby
>the Robot) and unfortunately I have recently been told (after further …
>ahem, digital examination, that the prostate has not shrunk back despite
>the hope that it would do so after radiotherapy. Just yesterday, I started
>on a new tablet in an attempt to relax the prostate and bladder which ‘may’
>alleviate the need to wee every hour or half hour or even every ten
>minutes!!! (THBAPSA I don’t think!)

I hope the new pills help with that, Mike, and that things settle down
so you are more comfortable. Thinking of you as I have always liked to
know where the nearest loo is.

[Pete W]

And I'm sure the Junior Doctors' strikes didn't delay their treatment
<g>
---
Pete.

[Kate B]

On 18/01/2024 01:51, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> (-: - one report I heard specifically said she was in a private
> hospital. I haven't heard that he is, but I expect so, for security
> reasons if nothing else.

The royals nearly always go to the King Edward VII hospital for most
operations. My late beloved had his hip done there by the Queen Mother's
surgeon (he'd worked for BUPA and they paid for it), and was
particularly impressed by the fact that for his post-op dinner he could
choose from the Berry Bros and Rudd wine-list.


--
Kate B

[Iain Archer]

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:33:47 +0000, Mike McMillan wrote:

> Well, that didn’t take long did it?!

I've not seen any any commemorative plates advertised yet.

Iain

[Clive Arthur]

On 17/01/2024 18:33, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Well, that didn’t take long did it?!

Not sure if I heard it right, but apparently the king is pro state
enlargement?

--
Cheers
Clive

[Mike McMillan]

Well Guv, plates is extra Guv, but if you want ‘em, I’ll make ‘em for you
…. Whistles through teeth, shall we say 500 nicker each - I’ll do a dozen
fer a mere 5,000 nicker - can’t say fairer than that now!

[Mike McMillan]

Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
> On 17/01/2024 18:33, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Well, that didn’t take long did it?!
>
> Not sure if I heard it right, but apparently the king is pro state
> enlargement?
>

I think the press releases are being serialised, First Epi, didimus, second
is your ethra.

[nick]

Clive Arthur wrote:

> On 17/01/2024 18:33, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Well, that didn’t take long did it?!

> Not sure if I heard it right, but apparently the king is pro state
> enlargement?

Wot?

Are we claiming Ireland back again?

Nick

[Serena Blanchflower]

On 18/01/2024 01:51, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> He's got an enlarged prostate; that's more or less normal for older men.
> Most of us live with it - it just means you go more often (because you
> output less). I can see someone who probably has a busy life as I
> imagine he does might find the need to go frequently more inconvenient,
> so worth having it fixed.

Some men are unlucky and it causes a complete, or near complete,
blockage and that isn't something that can just be lived with but will
require a catheter[1] until action can be taken to shrink the prostate.
Given that KCtU has had to cancel all this week's engagements, as well
as those immediately after his procedure, I rather assume that he's in
that category and that the past few days haven't been much fun for him.


[1] Which can cause numerous other problems of its own
--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. Why is Europe like a frying pan?
A. Because it has Greece at the bottom.

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <uoapnt$2hbhq$1...@dont-email.me> at Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:07:09,
Mike McMillan <toodl...@virginmedia.com> writes

Usually shortly followed by The Royal Flush
(kaboom ching! [Not original.])

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

By most scientific estimates sustained, useful fusion is ten years in
the future - and will be ten years in the future for the next fifty
years or more. - "Hamadryad", ~2016-4-4

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <ff6d358fd4e7bee2...@www.novabbs.com> at Thu, 18
Jan 2024 16:47:37, nick <nicko...@yahoo.ca> writes

I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase "The
British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical expression for
the group of a few thousand islands (including two big ones) off the
northeast coast of Europe. But apparently some in Eire find it
offensive.

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <uoaqck$2hef9$1...@dont-email.me> at Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:18:13,
Mike McMillan <toodl...@virginmedia.com> writes
[]

>In my own case, my prostate was enlarged - with advanced cancer that had

Sorry to hear that ...

>not gone beyond the organ itself. This was treated with radiotherapy (20
>fractions M’Lud) and 18 months of daily doses of Bicalutamide tablets. I

... but glad it was sorted.

>was told my prostate was too enlarged for surgical removal (even with Robby
>the Robot) and unfortunately I have recently been told (after further …
>ahem, digital examination, that the prostate has not shrunk back despite
>the hope that it would do so after radiotherapy. Just yesterday, I started
>on a new tablet in an attempt to relax the prostate and bladder which ‘may’

(Not tamsulosin? That's the one I'm on.)

>alleviate the need to wee every hour or half hour or even every ten
>minutes!!! (THBAPSA I don’t think!)
>

One of the "explanations" I heard today suggested they might be
"enlarging the pipe", rather than removing any prostate - though
arguably that could be the same thing.


It _is_ rather a feature of our attitude to sex that, I believe, the
majority of people (of both genders) aren't too sure what the prostate
does, apart from give problems (cancer or enlargement blocking things)
in later life.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

[Iain Archer]

At that price I'd be looking for autographed high-definition holographic
MRI images of the royal gland. Tee shirts?

[Mike McMillan]

J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>

> (Not tamsulosin? That's the one I'm on.)
>

Tried Tamsulosin - didn’t wotk for me and I have forgotten the name of
another medication (don’t these names just roll off your tongue eh?) yjay
didn’t wotk for me either, I’m now trying Betmiga mirabegron but it is
early days as I have only just had the second tablet today.

>>
>
> It _is_ rather a feature of our attitude to sex that, I believe, the
> majority of people (of both genders) aren't too sure what the prostate
> does, apart from give problems (cancer or enlargement blocking things)
> in later life.

Indeed, the human body is a very curious collection of organs, bones and
sinew - starting from scratch, even with modern technology and
micro-engineering, could we even approach 0.001% of the functions achieved
within a human bean? (Discuss)

[Mike McMillan]

J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

> In message <ff6d358fd4e7bee2...@www.novabbs.com> at Thu, 18
> Jan 2024 16:47:37, nick <nicko...@yahoo.ca> writes
>> Clive Arthur wrote:
>>
>>> On 17/01/2024 18:33, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>>> Well, that didn’t take long did it?!
>>
>>> Not sure if I heard it right, but apparently the king is pro state
>>> enlargement?
>>
>> Wot?
>>
>> Are we claiming Ireland back again?
>>
>> Nick
>
> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase "The
> British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical expression for
> the group of a few thousand islands (including two big ones) off the
> northeast coast of Europe. But apparently some in Eire find it
> offensive.

You are not even safe voicing opinions of a geographical nature in N.
Ireland; the Derry/LondonDerry argument is enough to set the bombs and
mortars off!

[Mike McMillan]

Now Guv, ‘Sfunny you should mention Tee shirts, I could (for a considerable
consideration), lay my hands on some tee sirts but they will cost yer…

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <uobrh8$2n391$1...@dont-email.me> at Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:43:52,
Mike McMillan <toodl...@virginmedia.com> writes

>J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

[]

>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase "The
>> British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical expression for
>> the group of a few thousand islands (including two big ones) off the
>> northeast coast of Europe. But apparently some in Eire find it
>> offensive.
>
>You are not even safe voicing opinions of a geographical nature in N.
>Ireland; the Derry/LondonDerry argument is enough to set the bombs and
>mortars off!
>

I believe some of the more sensible - and cynical - locals call it
"Stroke City".

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward. -Ellen Glasgow,
novelist (1874-1945)

[kosmo]

No. Once Meghan is President we will welcome the USA back into the fold.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

[kosmo]

On 18.1.24 17:43, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <ff6d358fd4e7bee2...@www.novabbs.com> at Thu, 18
> Jan 2024 16:47:37, nick <nicko...@yahoo.ca> writes
>> Clive Arthur wrote:
>>
>>> On 17/01/2024 18:33, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>>> Well, that didn’t take long did it?!
>>
>>> Not sure if I heard it right, but apparently the king is pro state
>>> enlargement?
>>
>> Wot?
>>
>> Are we claiming Ireland back again?
>>
>> Nick
>
> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase "The
> British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical expression for
> the group of a few thousand islands (including two big ones) off the
> northeast coast of Europe. But apparently some in Eire find it offensive.

Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British and
Irish Isles these days.

[kosmo]

If we get there later this year I will try and remember that.

[Rosie Mitchell]

I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour

Rosie

[tonysmith]

Rosie Mitchell wrote:

<sniupped>

> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour

> Rosie

Shouldn't that include the Pharoah islands and perhaps even Iceland?

[Sam Plusnet]

Only if you can spell it.

I'm ok with "Isles", but archi-wottzit is a bridge too far.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Sam Plusnet]

On 19-Jan-24 10:55, kosmo wrote:
> On 18.1.24 16:47, nick wrote:
>> Clive Arthur wrote:
>>
>>> On 17/01/2024 18:33, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>>> Well, that didn’t take long did it?!
>>
>>> Not sure if I heard it right, but apparently the king is pro state
>>> enlargement?
>>
>> Wot?
>>
>> Are we claiming Ireland back again?
>>
>> Nick
>
> No.  Once Meghan is President we will welcome the USA back into the fold.

Must we?

--
Sam Plusnet

[tonysmith]

Rosie Mitchell wrote:


>>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase
>>> "The British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical
>>> expression for the group of a few thousand islands (including two
>>> big ones) off the northeast coast of Europe. But apparently some in
>>> Eire find it offensive.
>>
>> Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British
>> and Irish Isles these days.

> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour

> Rosie

Arer we allowed to say "The Irish Sea"?

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <414f3791c3423c57...@www.novabbs.com> at Fri, 19
Jan 2024 19:05:29, tonysmith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes

Not sure about the Rameses bit, but "wider still and wider" definitely
applies to Iceland at the moment!

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... the greatest musical festival in the world that doesn't involve mud.
- Eddie Mair, RT 2014/8/16-22

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <32f858e152800cba...@www.novabbs.com> at Fri, 19
Jan 2024 19:09:30, tonysmith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes

We do - I'm pretty sure it's in the Shipping Forecast. We ought to
object, on principle.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

[Rosie Mitchell]

It should certainly include the Faroe Islands [sic]. The Pharaoh [sic]
Islands are in the Red Sea I assume. Not sure about Iceland; didn't that
just sort of bubble up out of a weak spot in the Mid-Atlantic Ridge?

Rosie

[Rosie Mitchell]

Of course we are, unless there's a possibility of finding oil there in
which case it's the Celtic Sea to stop the Paddies getting big ideas.

Rosie

[Nick Odell]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 01:51:55 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <c648ae3254fab2c5...@www.novabbs.com> at Wed, 17
>Jan 2024 19:47:48, nick <nicko...@yahoo.ca> writes
>snip>
>>
>>Well, I'm bloomin' well not dragging myself down to that London for
>>another state funeral for a while longer yet so they'd both better
>>hurry up and get better.
>
>(-: [I didn't go to the last one - it never occurred to me to do so. I
>now don't go into the ULEZ unless I have a very good reason (which I
>haven't so far).]
>>
I went to the last one more as a mark of respect to my late mother who
took me to the one before that when I were nobbut a lad. FWIW I go in
and out of the ULEZ whenever I want and without a care in the world
and what's more, nobody has ever tried to suck £12.50 out of my bank
account for doing so.

Nick

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <560mqi14ukocutslm...@4ax.com> at Fri, 19 Jan
2024 23:15:02, Nick Odell <nicko...@yahoo.ca> writes
[]

>I went to the last one more as a mark of respect to my late mother who
>took me to the one before that when I were nobbut a lad. FWIW I go in
>and out of the ULEZ whenever I want and without a care in the world
>and what's more, nobody has ever tried to suck £12.50 out of my bank
>account for doing so.
>
>Nick

I take it you're either driving an electric car, or on foot or public
transport - like the bus driver who was never punished for passing red
lights, because he wasn't driving his bus.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur". ("Anything is more impressive if
you say it in Latin")

[Sam Plusnet]

Does some transport organisation suck a (possibly larger) sum from your
account?

--
Sam Plusnet

[Sam Plusnet]

We should just call it "The Britannic Sea". (the waving of little Union
Jacks and cries of "Huzza!" would be very fitting).

--
Sam Plusnet

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <EbFqN.244487$Wp_8....@fx17.iad> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
01:18:26, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> writes

>On 19-Jan-24 20:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> agsmit...@gmail.com (tonysmith) writes:
>>
>>> Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase
>>>>>> "The British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical
>>>>>> expression for the group of a few thousand islands (including two
>>>>>> big ones) off the northeast coast of Europe. But apparently some in
>>>>>> Eire find it offensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British
>>>>> and Irish Isles these days.

Celestial?

>>>
>>>> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour

The person I was "corresponding" with before I gave up and used the
YouTube equivalent of killfiling, said the preferred term was something
like "Great Britain and Ireland". I pointed out to him that it wasn't
clear from that whether one was talking about the whole archipelago or
just the two largest islands, but he never came out with an answer to
that.

>>>
>>>> Rosie
>>>
>>> Arer we allowed to say "The Irish Sea"?
>> Of course we are, unless there's a possibility of finding oil there
>>in
>> which case it's the Celtic Sea to stop the Paddies getting big ideas.

Hmm, that might give the Scots ideas ... (-:

("Theee, yinglish thee yinglish thee yinglish are ...")

>
>We should just call it "The Britannic Sea". (the waving of little Union
>Jacks and cries of "Huzza!" would be very fitting).
>

I'm pretty sure something nearby - I think it might have been the
channel, or maybe the North Sea - was called "The German" something (sea
I think) not too long ago.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

live your dash. ... On your tombstone, there's the date you're born and the
date you die - and in between there's a dash. - a friend quoted by Dustin
Hoffman in Radio Times, 5-11 January 2013

[Mike McMillan]

J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

> In message <414f3791c3423c57...@www.novabbs.com> at Fri, 19
> Jan 2024 19:05:29, tonysmith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes
>> Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> <sniupped>
>>
>>> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour
>>
>>> Rosie
>>
>> Shouldn't that include the Pharoah islands and perhaps even Iceland?
>
> Not sure about the Rameses bit, but "wider still and wider" definitely
> applies to Iceland at the moment!

Well, that the egg wiped off his face.

[Mike McMillan]

Nick Odell <nicko...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 01:51:55 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
> <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <c648ae3254fab2c5...@www.novabbs.com> at Wed, 17
>> Jan 2024 19:47:48, nick <nicko...@yahoo.ca> writes
>>>
>>>

>>> Well, I'm bloomin' well not dragging myself down to that London for
>>> another state funeral for a while longer yet so they'd both better
>>> hurry up and get better.
>>
>> (-: [I didn't go to the last one - it never occurred to me to do so. I
>> now don't go into the ULEZ unless I have a very good reason (which I
>> haven't so far).]
>>>
> I went to the last one more as a mark of respect to my late mother who
> took me to the one before that when I were nobbut a lad. FWIW I go in
> and out of the ULEZ whenever I want and without a care in the world
> and what's more, nobody has ever tried to suck £12.50 out of my bank
> account for doing so.
>
> Nick
>

On Shanks’s pony, horse, donkey, bicycle, E-vehicle? EMNTK!

[Jim Easterbrook]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 23:26:17 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> In message <560mqi14ukocutslm...@4ax.com> at Fri, 19 Jan
> 2024 23:15:02, Nick Odell <nicko...@yahoo.ca> writes []
>>I went to the last one more as a mark of respect to my late mother who
>>took me to the one before that when I were nobbut a lad. FWIW I go in
>>and out of the ULEZ whenever I want and without a care in the world and
>>what's more, nobody has ever tried to suck £12.50 out of my bank account
>>for doing so.
>

> I take it you're either driving an electric car, or on foot or public
> transport - like the bus driver who was never punished for passing red
> lights, because he wasn't driving his bus.

Plenty of non electric cars are ULEZ compliant. My 16½ year old diesel,
for example.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

[Rosie Mitchell]

The German Ocean. Originally Mare Germanicum to the Romans.

One of those things that conveniently changed in the Great War, like
Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

Rosie

[John Ashby]

Do you mean The War to End Wars? That went well.

john

[Sam Plusnet]

So well that people demanded a sequel.

A franchise?

--
Sam Plusnet

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <l11lbp...@mid.individual.net> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
10:24:57, Jim Easterbrook <ne...@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> writes

>On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 23:26:17 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

[]

>> I take it you're either driving an electric car, or on foot or public
>> transport - like the bus driver who was never punished for passing red
>> lights, because he wasn't driving his bus.
>
>Plenty of non electric cars are ULEZ compliant. My 16½ year old diesel,
>for example.
>

I'd forgotten that, but unfortunately mine - 56 reg. Octavia diesel -
isn't. (What's 56 - let me think: that's '06, second half. So 17.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

By the very definition of "news," we hear very little about the dominant
threats to our lives, and the most about the rarest, including terror.
"LibertyMcG" alias Brian P. McGlinchey, 2013-7-23

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <L1UqN.11451$t3Rc....@fx06.ams1> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
18:11:55, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> writes

>On 20-Jan-24 14:38, John Ashby wrote:
>> On 20/01/2024 13:55, Rosie Mitchell wrote:

[]

>>> The German Ocean. Originally Mare Germanicum to the Romans.
>>>
>>> One of those things that conveniently changed in the Great War, like
>>> Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
>>>
>>> Rosie
>> Do you mean The War to End Wars? That went well.

Yes, along with "We'll be home by Christmas." Which didn't specify which
Christmas.

>
>So well that people demanded a sequel.
>
>A franchise?
>

)-:. Looks like more sequels are approaching - Ukraine, Taiwan,
Israel/Houthi, ...

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

[Rosie Mitchell]

Indeed, even more than a century on the world is still dealing with the
hash we made of carving up the Ottoman Empire.

Rosie

[Rosie Mitchell]

Just unfinished business. Largely because the Turkish government tore up
the Treaty of Sèvres (I had to look that one up – one of the many
useless things I was supposed to memorise in school history was the
various peace treaties that supposedly ended the Great War, and the only
one I have ever been able to remember was the one signed in the Chamber of
Horrors at Versailles). The unpleasantness between 1939 and 1945 was
merely a major flare-up in my estimation.

Rosie

[Vicky]

Their second war was rubbish

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <877ck3r...@golgonooza.co.uk> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
20:13:08, Rosie Mitchell <rcmit...@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
[]

>Just unfinished business. Largely because the Turkish government tore up
>the Treaty of Sèvres (I had to look that one up – one of the many
>useless things I was supposed to memorise in school history was the
>various peace treaties that supposedly ended the Great War, and the only
>one I have ever been able to remember was the one signed in the Chamber of
>Horrors at Versailles). The unpleasantness between 1939 and 1945 was
>merely a major flare-up in my estimation.
>
>Rosie
>
>

"[Ti tum ti] The Germans, are warlike, and mean -
but that shouldn't happen, again;
We taught them a lesson, in nineteen eighteen -
and they haven't bothered us since then."

MLF Lullaby, Tom Lehrer (written in I think the '60s)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I know people who worry more about the health consequences of drinking a coffee
at breakfast than a bottle of urine at dinner
- Revd Richard Cole, RT 2021/7/3-9

[Sam Plusnet]

And thus a great opportunity for recycling.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Sally Thompson]

BTN!

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

[Rosie Mitchell]

No, sorry.

Rosie BTM

[BrritSki]

Boodly funny though :)

[Nick Odell]

Nope. On the other hand, I suck a sum of money from the account of a
local transport organisation every time I use my concessionary bus
pass.

Nick

[Nick Odell]

<languid wave>

N.

[Rosie Mitchell]

I agree, but not in bad taste.

Rosie

[kosmo]

On 20.1.24 07:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
> Celestial?
>>>>


Apparently it is objectionable so it is why the Doctor only had to deal
with the Toymaker this time around rather than the Celestial Toymaker.

Did anyone watch the specials?

Does anyone think that the Doctor has jumped the shark?

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

[Vicky]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:05:58 +0000, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>On 20.1.24 07:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>> Celestial?
>>>>>
>
>
>Apparently it is objectionable so it is why the Doctor only had to deal
>with the Toymaker this time around rather than the Celestial Toymaker.
>
>Did anyone watch the specials?
>
>Does anyone think that the Doctor has jumped the shark?

I've heard reports that he has, but can't watch as I no longer pay the
licence, so can't watch BBC iplayer or live. It will come somewhere I
can watch eventually. B stopped watching a few series ago.

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <nhucnfjI6pEFtCf4...@brightview.co.uk> at Wed,
31 Jan 2024 11:05:58, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> writes

>On 20.1.24 07:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Celestial?
>>>>>
>
>
>Apparently it is objectionable so it is why the Doctor only had to deal
>with the Toymaker this time around rather than the Celestial Toymaker.

[]
Good grief, as Charlie Brown would say. How on earth is Celestial
objectionable? Is it one of those words that has gained another meaning
when I wasn't looking? Like gay (OK, I'm kidding there), trans (which to
me was just a prefix in organic chemistry alongside cis- and iso-),
wicked, and many others?

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... "Peter and out." ... "Kevin and out." (Link episode)

[Sam Plusnet]

I lost track of it after William Hartnell moved on to other things.

Proper actor he was. That voice could reach the back of the Stalls
without any effort.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Nick Odell]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 12:02:12 +0000, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I've not checked recently but in the past I've found Doctor Who
episodes have appeared on dailymotion.com pretty soon after broadcast.
Beware the ones that pretend to be episodes but are really long
adverts for streaming services. Watching on DailyMotion is not in
breach of TV Licencing conditions so they can't touch you for it. It
is a breach of copyright, though an attitude of "come and get me if
you think you're hard enough" should get you though.

Nick

[Nick Odell]

My mother often said that at RADA they taught her to project her voice
as if she were speaking personally to two little old ladies sitting in
the back of the stalls. "Because in Rep, on a matinee, that's probably
all you'll be peforming for."

Nick

[kosmo]

On 31.1.24 22:57, Nick Odell wrote:
> My mother often said that at RADA they taught her to project her voice
> as if she were speaking personally to two little old ladies sitting in
> the back of the stalls. "Because in Rep, on a matinee, that's probably
> all you'll be peforming for."

I got roped into a small amount of acting at school - still not sure why
- but the ring leader arranged that we did rehearsal on the school stage
and one of our classmates sat at the back and was able to confirm that
he could hear most of what we said (it seemed a large hall at the time
but if it is still there (doubtful)) and subsequently we were rather
glad he did because the competition had clearly not undertaken this
simple precaution and as we sat through the other playlets it became
clear that we could not hear some of it even in the middle of the hall
because no-one was projecting.

We even won the prize! Which was to perform in front of a proper
audience in the same hall.

[kosmo]

On 31.1.24 12:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> Is it one of those words that has gained another meaning when I wasn't
> looking?

I suggest referring to wikipedia but the answer to your question is yes.

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <8wydnXMBG7tyQif4...@brightview.co.uk> at Thu, 1
Feb 2024 00:03:58, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> writes

>On 31.1.24 22:57, Nick Odell wrote:
>> My mother often said that at RADA they taught her to project her voice
>> as if she were speaking personally to two little old ladies sitting in
>> the back of the stalls. "Because in Rep, on a matinee, that's probably
>> all you'll be peforming for."

(-:

>
>I got roped into a small amount of acting at school - still not sure
>why - but the ring leader arranged that we did rehearsal on the school
>stage and one of our classmates sat at the back and was able to confirm
>that he could hear most of what we said (it seemed a large hall at the

[]

>We even won the prize! Which was to perform in front of a proper
>audience in the same hall.
>

Did you want to? I am reminded of the old joke in the 1970s, when Radio
Prague (I was a "short-wave listener") used to do an essay competition,
first prize being a week in the wonderful people's republic (actually,
maybe it wasn't Prague; I don't think Czechoslovakia was ever that). The
joke was that the second prize was two weeks there ...

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

What has happened since 1979, I suspect, is that the spotting of mistakes has
become entirely associated with mean-spiritedness, snobbishness and
judgementalism. But...can be...funny and interesting.
Lynn Truss, RT 2015/2/21-27

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <8wydnXIBG7u4fSf4...@brightview.co.uk> at Thu, 1
Feb 2024 00:04:52, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> writes

>On 31.1.24 12:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Is it one of those words that has gained another meaning when I
>>wasn't looking?
>
>I suggest referring to wikipedia but the answer to your question is yes.
>

I'm looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial and nothing's
leapt out at me as offensive. I quite like "a one-man funeral doom metal
band from Minnesota". Even following "All pages with titles containing
Celestial" didn't throw anything up.

Maybe I'll Google ... nothing obvious in - I was going to say the first
page, but I see Google have adopted the never-bottoming page philosophy
I hate (one of the many reasons I avoid Facebook).

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

[kosmo]

On 1.2.24 09:58, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <8wydnXIBG7u4fSf4...@brightview.co.uk> at Thu, 1
> Feb 2024 00:04:52, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> writes
>> On 31.1.24 12:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> Is it one of those words that has gained another meaning when I
>>> wasn't  looking?
>>
>> I suggest referring to wikipedia but the answer to your question is yes.
>>
> I'm looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial and nothing's
> leapt out at me as offensive. I quite like "a one-man funeral doom metal
> band from Minnesota". Even following "All pages with titles containing
> Celestial" didn't throw anything up.
>
> Maybe I'll Google ... nothing obvious in - I was going to say the first
> page, but I see Google have adopted the never-bottoming page philosophy
> I hate (one of the many reasons I avoid Facebook).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Empire

[BrritSki]

On 31/01/2024 22:57, Nick Odell wrote:
>
> My mother often said that at RADA they taught her to project her voice
> as if she were speaking personally to two little old ladies sitting in
> the back of the stalls. "Because in Rep, on a matinee, that's probably
> all you'll be peforming for."
>

I learned to project my voice as a Flight Sergeant on the ATC Parade
Ground. It came in useful for street theatre some 50 years later:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw-_v4oTf5Y>

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <7XGdnTn_eqgb6Sb4...@brightview.co.uk> at Thu, 1
Feb 2024 10:37:59, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> writes

>On 1.2.24 09:58, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <8wydnXIBG7u4fSf4...@brightview.co.uk> at
>>Thu, 1 Feb 2024 00:04:52, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> writes
>>> On 31.1.24 12:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> Is it one of those words that has gained another meaning when I
>>>>wasn't  looking?
>>>
>>> I suggest referring to wikipedia but the answer to your question is yes.
>>>
>> I'm looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial and nothing's
>>leapt out at me as offensive. I quite like "a one-man funeral doom

[]
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Empire
>
Wow, I had to read quite carefully into that - it's apparently come back
into use as meaning China, actually proudly or disdainfully depending on
context. Some people must be _very_ sensitive if they object to a
character in Doctor Who being called the Celestial Toymaker!

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

as St Augustine says, feeling resentment is like drinking poison and waiting
for the other person to die. Ed Stourton, in RT 2023/1/21-27

[BrritSki]

In the early 17th Century the Ligurian Coast was subject to frequent
attacks from the Saracens. The villagers in Taggia saw the ships
approaching one day so the priest, Father Benedict, had the idea to
light fires in the squares and streets of the village to make the
pirates believe that it had already been sacked. And it worked: from the
sea the city appeared to them in flames and they left. Every February
12th Taggia remembers this event.

On the middle weekend fires are lit again, circles of logs are built and
filled with olive tree cuttings and ignited even in the narrow alleyways
- it would never be allowed to happen in the UK. Homemade fireworks are
also deployed "i furgari" that are as big as your arm and fire huge jets
of flame. <https://youtu.be/X5mY_3imZGU>

On the last weekend of the February there is a procession on the Sunday
afternoon of villagers in 17C costume and in the morning the different
rione (hamlets) stage a play about some aspect of life at the time of
the saint. Each play is about 15 minutes long and is repeated several
times - 8 was the most for me - in the streets. Marks are awarded for
the script and acting and the authenticity - no modern haircuts or
jewellery allowed !

I first got involved in 2008 when Gianna, an Aussie-Italian friend in
the village asked if I could take the place of someone who had dropped
out to play the part of Lord Barry, a courtier come to buy the local
wine. I went for an addition and learned afterwards that Umberto, the
director, hugged and kissed Gianna after I looked down my nose and
recited "King Charles LOVES moscatello wine. It is ALWAYS on his table"
and said I was perfect for the role of a fat, pompous Englishman. It was
great fun, especially the bit where I dropped grapes down the
winemaker's wife's cleavage. I just had to stroll about with a beautiful
young lady on my arm and had 2 short lines. The only long speech I had
was read from a scroll, so nothing to remember and all in English.

The next year I was asked back and waife took part too. We went to the
first read through and just had minor roles and only a couple of words
to say when we saw the pirate ships "I turchi, i turchi !" The whole
room fell about laughing at my terrible pronunciation and at least 10
minutes of every rehearsal was spent trying to get me to say that u
properly. LOL Unfortunately that year it drizzled all morning and poor
Vib spent most of the play hiding under a sheet which got soggier and
soggier as the day went on and swore never again.

More plays followed, usually with small parts, but one where I played
the ghost of Hamlet's father - I really put the Ham in that (video
available if you are interested). Then came this play set during the
Battle of Bajardo during the struggle between the Duchy of Savoy and the
Republic of Genoa.

My dreadful accent was excused by my being an English sailor who had
fought with Frobisher and Drake and was now a PTSD suffering village
drunk. More type-casting ! There were a lot of laughs in the audience
from my mangling of the more difficult words that I think Umberto had
put in the script deliberately for me.

The most interesting play we did though was a version of A Midsummer
Night's Dream, part in Italian and part in English. As the only native
English speaking man I had the roles of both Bottom and Oberon, and Vib
was Helen. Luckily it was a cutdown text and we had scripts for most of
it so not too difficult to remember and great fun again. It was set in
the garden of the wonderfully atmospheric Bicknell Museum in Sanremo
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicknell_Museum#/media/File:Museo_Bicknell_facciata.jpg>

I also had the pleasure of performing with my granddaughter who played
Cobwed, but was a bit overwhelmed by the occasion at 3yo and did much
better at one of the San Benedetto plays a year later. It's a real shame
we have no video of MSND but I do have a video of that last performance
with her which will be worth a fortune when she's a famous performer.

[Nick Odell]

What a glorious (tall?)[1]17th Century tale and what fun you have been
having there. I know you had your reasons for returning to Dear Old
Blighty but I imagine there are many times when you miss the life you
had there.

The antics in your village reminded me of the fun and games that Sting
promotes/d annually at his Italian vineyard[2] but yours seem to be
much more fun. The legend there is that he was duped into buying the
vineyard when the seller poured him some excellent wine which
unfortunately had not come from grapes grown on the land he wanted to
buy. But having bought the vineyard, he made the best of it and
everybody seems to have a good time.

Nick
[1]Another ancient Italian "legend" has made its way over the seas to
Argentina where it is used to encourage people to buy more pasta. The
widely held belief is that the legend "emerged" in the mid twentieth
century - in Argentina - but people still buy more pasta because of it
[2]Videos easily searchable on YouTube

[kosmo]

On 1.2.24 15:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <7XGdnTn_eqgb6Sb4...@brightview.co.uk> at Thu, 1
> Feb 2024 10:37:59, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> writes
>> On 1.2.24 09:58, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <8wydnXIBG7u4fSf4...@brightview.co.uk> at
>>> Thu, 1  Feb 2024 00:04:52, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> writes
>>>> On 31.1.24 12:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>> Is it one of those words that has gained another meaning when I
>>>>> wasn't  looking?
>>>>
>>>> I suggest referring to wikipedia but the answer to your question is
>>>> yes.
>>>>
>>> I'm looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial and nothing's
>>> leapt out at me as offensive. I quite like "a one-man funeral doom
> []
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Empire
>>
> Wow, I had to read quite carefully into that - it's apparently come back
> into use as meaning China, actually proudly or disdainfully depending on
> context. Some people must be _very_ sensitive if they object to a
> character in Doctor Who being called the Celestial Toymaker!

And now you wonder why I think the Doctor has jumped the shark.

[BrritSki]

On 01/02/2024 16:18, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:39:02 +0000, BrritSki
> <rtilbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

...

>
> What a glorious (tall?)[1]17th Century tale and what fun you have been
> having there. I know you had your reasons for returning to Dear Old
> Blighty but I imagine there are many times when you miss the life you
> had there.

Regularly, but we get back at least a couple of times again and we don't
regret our decision at all.

We'll be skiing in N. Italy later this month with all the family - can't
wait.

>
> The antics in your village reminded me of the fun and games that Sting
> promotes/d annually at his Italian vineyard[2] but yours seem to be
> much more fun. The legend there is that he was duped into buying the
> vineyard when the seller poured him some excellent wine which
> unfortunately had not come from grapes grown on the land he wanted to
> buy. But having bought the vineyard, he made the best of it and
> everybody seems to have a good time.
>
> Nick
> [1]Another ancient Italian "legend" has made its way over the seas to
> Argentina where it is used to encourage people to buy more pasta. The
> widely held belief is that the legend "emerged" in the mid twentieth
> century - in Argentina - but people still buy more pasta because of it
> [2]Videos easily searchable on YouTube

You'll have to give me more clues than that !

[nick]

BrritSki wrote:

> On 01/02/2024 16:18, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:39:02 +0000, BrritSki
>> <rtilbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>

> ....

A benevolent[1] Italian landowner was said to have invited his peasants to
come and dine at his house on the 29th of the month, when they were very
hungry having run out of money before the end of the month.

They supposedly sat down around the long table and ate the delicious gnocchi
he had provided and after they had finished their meal they each found a small
denomination currency note under their plates. Because of this, eating ñocchi
on the 29th of any month is promoted (in Argentina, if you please!) as
lucky and the pasta shops promote them like crazy on that day.

Nick
[1]If he had really been that benevolent surely he would have paid them better?

[BrritSki]

On 01/02/2024 17:01, nick wrote:
>
> A benevolent[1] Italian landowner was said to have invited his peasants to
> come and dine at his house on the 29th of the month, when they were very
> hungry having run out of money before the end of the month.
>
> They supposedly sat down around the long table and ate the delicious
> gnocchi
> he had provided and after they had finished their meal they each found a
> small denomination currency note under their plates. Because of this,
> eating ñocchi on the 29th of any month is promoted (in Argentina, if you
> please!) as
> lucky and the pasta shops promote them like crazy on that day.
>
> Nick
> [1]If he had really been that benevolent surely he would have paid them
> better?

Indeed.

Point of order M'Lud - gnocchi not pasta imo, being made from potatoes
rather than wheat.

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <c8ednbZgOaEGWSb4...@brightview.co.uk> at Thu, 1
Feb 2024 16:19:41, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> writes

I haven't watched it much in recent years (just the odd episode -
probably a bit less than one a year), but could it be that the decision
to reduce the Toymaker's name to one word is just convenience, rather
than any wokism (or similar term)?

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The best way to achieve immortality is by not dying.

[Jim Easterbrook]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 17:32:27 +0000, BrritSki wrote:

> Point of order M'Lud - gnocchi not pasta imo, being made from potatoes
> rather than wheat.

Made with potatoes, not from potatoes.

Randomly chosen online recipe says 1 kg potatoes, 1 medium egg, 200-250 g
plain flour.

Dry weight of normal potatoes is 15%-20% (varieties grown for crisp making
are higher) so 1 kg of potatoes is equivalent to 150-200 g of flour,
making flour the majority ingredient.

According to pastaevangelists.com "Gnocchi [...] are a type of pasta"

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

[Jim Easterbrook]

On 1 Feb 2024 18:23:24 GMT, Jim Easterbrook wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 17:32:27 +0000, BrritSki wrote:
>
>> Point of order M'Lud - gnocchi not pasta imo, being made from potatoes
>> rather than wheat.
>
> Made with potatoes, not from potatoes.
>
> Randomly chosen online recipe says 1 kg potatoes, 1 medium egg,
> 200-250 g plain flour.
>
> Dry weight of normal potatoes is 15%-20% (varieties grown for crisp
> making are higher) so 1 kg of potatoes is equivalent to 150-200 g of
> flour, making flour the majority ingredient.

The astute will point out that I did not account for the water content of
the flour in the above. At 13-15% it reduces the flour to 170-215 g.

[nick]

Jim Easterbrook wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 17:32:27 +0000, BrritSki wrote:

>> Point of order M'Lud - gnocchi not pasta imo, being made from potatoes
>> rather than wheat.

> Made with potatoes, not from potatoes.

> Randomly chosen online recipe says 1 kg potatoes, 1 medium egg, 200-250 g
> plain flour.

> Dry weight of normal potatoes is 15%-20% (varieties grown for crisp making
> are higher) so 1 kg of potatoes is equivalent to 150-200 g of flour,
> making flour the majority ingredient.

> According to pastaevangelists.com "Gnocchi [...] are a type of pasta"

Over here, one buys ones pasta at the ñoquis shop. (Down Brritski! In these parts, what you are thinking of is called a Telo over here)

Cheaper ñoquis are made with potato and wheat flour but recipes substituting ricotta for potato are good too. I make both types and my caballito de batalla is to make ñoquis stuffed with cheese.

Nick

[kosmo]

On 1.2.24 18:08, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> I haven't watched it much in recent years (just the odd episode -
> probably a bit less than one a year), but could it be that the decision
> to reduce the Toymaker's name to one word is just convenience, rather
> than any wokism (or similar term)?

I endured a behind the scenes programme where the programme producer
made a great fuss of the need to remove the word because of the
connotations no longer being acceptable in the modern world.

[Rosie Mitchell]

"J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk> writes:

> In message <8wydnXMBG7tyQif4...@brightview.co.uk> at Thu,
> 1 Feb 2024 00:03:58, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> writes
>>On 31.1.24 22:57, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> My mother often said that at RADA they taught her to project her voice
>>> as if she were speaking personally to two little old ladies sitting in
>>> the back of the stalls. "Because in Rep, on a matinee, that's probably
>>> all you'll be peforming for."
>
> (-:
>>
>> I got roped into a small amount of acting at school - still not sure
>> why - but the ring leader arranged that we did rehearsal on the
>> school stage and one of our classmates sat at the back and was able
>> to confirm that he could hear most of what we said (it seemed a
>> large hall at the
> []
>> We even won the prize! Which was to perform in front of a proper
>> audience in the same hall.
>>
> Did you want to? I am reminded of the old joke in the 1970s, when
> Radio Prague (I was a "short-wave listener") used to do an essay
> competition, first prize being a week in the wonderful people's
> republic (actually, maybe it wasn't Prague; I don't think
> Czechoslovakia was ever that). The joke was that the second prize was
> two weeks there ...

If you *had* to be behind the Curtain in those days, Czecho was probably
the best place to be. If only for the excellent, abundant and cheap
beer. If you had to live on pork, dumplings and sauerkraut tnen there
were worse things around Eastern Europe and it was still available in
old-style restaurants in 2002, long after the fall, when I was in
Prague. Ridiculously cheap, reasonably nutricious and much better than a
McDonalds. I do hope that in the intervening years too many babies
haven't been thrown out with the bathwater, In Poland a similar thing
was the bary młeczne ("milk bars") providing cheap, filling and
nutricious (and often vegetarian) meals for the workers and at least
some of them are still around, a welcome standby for the traveller on a
budget.

Rosie

[Penny]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:47:44 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> scrawled in
the dust...

>I lost track of it after William Hartnell moved on to other things.
>
>Proper actor he was. That voice could reach the back of the Stalls
>without any effort.

Recalling his performance in it, I'm surprised I continued to watch - but 3
big brothers and our father wanted to see it - what else was I going to do
on a Saturday afternoon?

I found that grumpy old man far scarier than the robots pointing sink
plungers at people and shouting threateningly. I did enjoy the later ones,
particularly Umbrella Troughton (related to some Archers, AIR).
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

[Mike McMillan]

But what were these Ates they wanted to exterm?
--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

[Vicky]

On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 15:34:44 +0000, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

The first one was my Dr and I liked his team, Susan, the PC and the
teacher. I tried to watch a couple of episodes a few years ago though
and they seemed much less good. Not just the scenery.

[Clive Arthur]

Patrick Troughton was my favourite.

Tony Archer's dad, I think. And Mike Tucker was Davros, creator of the
Daleks.

--
Cheers
Clive

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <dg82sipjj6qu55lls...@4ax.com> at Mon, 5 Feb
2024 18:01:02, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com> writes

>On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 15:34:44 +0000, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:47:44 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> scrawled in
>>the dust...
>>
>>>I lost track of it after William Hartnell moved on to other things.

[]

>>I found that grumpy old man far scarier than the robots pointing sink
>>plungers at people and shouting threateningly. I did enjoy the later ones,
>>particularly Umbrella Troughton (related to some Archers, AIR).
>
>The first one was my Dr and I liked his team, Susan, the PC and the
>teacher. I tried to watch a couple of episodes a few years ago though
>and they seemed much less good. Not just the scenery.

My Dr. was Jon Pertwee, though I think I caught a few Patrick Troughton.
When I later saw the Hartnell ones I didn't like him, but now, I do like
at least the first one: the Delia (no not that one!) music, and as you
say the supporting cast, and the setup - the school and so on.

Back to the subject: AIAOU in feeling the new news is getting somewhat
too much coverage? Yes, it _is_ of national importance - but the news
(he's got some sort of cancer, and is standing back - temporarily or
otherwise - from some duties. That is ALL.) did not need 21 minutes (so
far) of a 25-30 minute news.

Given what he was in for, I guess it's likely to be prostate; having
dodged that particular bullet in 2023, I wish him well.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

By the very definition of "news," we hear very little about the dominant
threats to our lives, and the most about the rarest, including terror.
"LibertyMcG" alias Brian P. McGlinchey, 2013-7-23

[Sam Plusnet]

I think he was meant to be a little scary at first. The character
'developed' over time.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Paul Herber]

I've never understood why many world leaders have to go and meet him in Switzerland at
frequent intervals.


--
Regards, Paul Herber
https://www.paulherber.co.uk/

[Chris J Dixon]

J. P. Gilliver wrote:

>Back to the subject: AIAOU in feeling the new news is getting somewhat
>too much coverage? Yes, it _is_ of national importance - but the news
>(he's got some sort of cancer, and is standing back - temporarily or
>otherwise - from some duties. That is ALL.) did not need 21 minutes (so
>far) of a 25-30 minute news.
>
>Given what he was in for, I guess it's likely to be prostate; having
>dodged that particular bullet in 2023, I wish him well.

Even after you watched all that coverage, it seems you didn't get
all the detail.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
ch...@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

[Clive Arthur]

Well, plenty of ordinary people go to Switzerland to be exterminated,
maybe the world leaders get regenerated too?

--
Cheers
Clive

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <upt6lu$s5vc$1...@dont-email.me> at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 11:54:37,
Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> writes

>On 05/02/2024 19:51, Paul Herber wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 18:27:18 +0000, Clive Arthur
>><cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

[]

>>> Tony Archer's dad, I think. And Mike Tucker was Davros, creator of the
>>> Daleks.
>> I've never understood why many world leaders have to go and meet him
>>in Switzerland at
>> frequent intervals.

Yes, I can't help thinking that when I hear it too!

>
>Well, plenty of ordinary people go to Switzerland to be exterminated,
>maybe the world leaders get regenerated too?
>

Ordinary people with enough money, that is; I don't know how much it
costs, but I'd be surprised if it's less than 4 if not 5 figures.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

After all is said and done, usually more is said.

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <c5t3sihclab5rs2f2...@4ax.com> at Tue, 6 Feb
2024 08:59:43, Chris J Dixon <ch...@cdixon.me.uk> writes

>J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>>Back to the subject: AIAOU in feeling the new news is getting somewhat
>>too much coverage? Yes, it _is_ of national importance - but the news
>>(he's got some sort of cancer, and is standing back - temporarily or
>>otherwise - from some duties. That is ALL.) did not need 21 minutes (so
>>far) of a 25-30 minute news.
>>
>>Given what he was in for, I guess it's likely to be prostate; having
>>dodged that particular bullet in 2023, I wish him well.
>
>Even after you watched all that coverage, it seems you didn't get
>all the detail.
>
>Chris

I think that detail (that it _isn't_ prostate) wasn't included in the
first half-hour or so, when I posted the above.

It's still oversaturated: occupied the majority of all news bulletins
since. Yes, it _is_ fairly important, at least to a majority of
Brits/English; but the details we've had so far (he has cancer; it's not
prostate; it's been caught early; he's standing back a bit, with other
members of the firm stepping forward) takes two minutes, or at most
five, to convey. Not endless interviewing of experts - and, worse,
non-experts - ad nauseam. #monostoryism at its worst.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

[kosmo]

On 6.2.24 14:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> I think that detail (that it _isn't_ prostate) wasn't included in the
> first half-hour or so, when I posted the above.

That was clear in the original Buck House release and explicitly stated
in all the immediate coverage I endured last night.

[Nick Odell]

On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 18:23:58 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk>
wrote:

>In message <dg82sipjj6qu55lls...@4ax.com> at Mon, 5 Feb
>2024 18:01:02, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com> writes
>>On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 15:34:44 +0000, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:47:44 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> scrawled in
>>>the dust...
>>>
>>>>I lost track of it after William Hartnell moved on to other things.
>[]
>>>I found that grumpy old man far scarier than the robots pointing sink
>>>plungers at people and shouting threateningly. I did enjoy the later ones,
>>>particularly Umbrella Troughton (related to some Archers, AIR).
>>
>>The first one was my Dr and I liked his team, Susan, the PC and the
>>teacher. I tried to watch a couple of episodes a few years ago though
>>and they seemed much less good. Not just the scenery.
>
>My Dr. was Jon Pertwee, though I think I caught a few Patrick Troughton.
>When I later saw the Hartnell ones I didn't like him, but now, I do like
>at least the first one: the Delia (no not that one!) music, and as you
>say the supporting cast, and the setup - the school and so on.
>

Mine was Jon Pertwee too even though I had watched the very first ever
episode with William Hartnell - both times - and followed the
programme through all the Doctors from then on. I think if I'd known
at the time that the as-yet-unborn David Tennant was going to be a
Doctor, I might have waited a while longer before choosing "my"
Doctor.

>Back to the subject: AIAOU in feeling the new news is getting somewhat
>too much coverage? Yes, it _is_ of national importance - but the news
>(he's got some sort of cancer, and is standing back - temporarily or
>otherwise - from some duties. That is ALL.) did not need 21 minutes (so
>far) of a 25-30 minute news.

So Charles the Ill is Ill. Nominative determinism or wot?
<snip>

Nick

[john ashby]

On 31/01/2024 22:57, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:47:44 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 31-Jan-24 12:02, Vicky wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:05:58 +0000, kosmo <ko...@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20.1.24 07:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently it is objectionable so it is why the Doctor only had to deal
>>>> with the Toymaker this time around rather than the Celestial Toymaker.
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone watch the specials?
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone think that the Doctor has jumped the shark?
>>>
>>> I've heard reports that he has, but can't watch as I no longer pay the
>>> licence, so can't watch BBC iplayer or live. It will come somewhere I
>>> can watch eventually. B stopped watching a few series ago.

>>
>> I lost track of it after William Hartnell moved on to other things.
>>

>> Proper actor he was. That voice could reach the back of the Stalls
>> without any effort.
>

> My mother often said that at RADA they taught her to project her voice
> as if she were speaking personally to two little old ladies sitting in
> the back of the stalls. "Because in Rep, on a matinee, that's probably
> all you'll be peforming for."
>

> Nick

<catching up after an enforced absence due to broken laptop so apologies
for any gillivering>

One of my current pastimes is watching all the original Dr Who's the
Beeb have put on iPlayer. The early ones are nearly unwatchable from
today's perspective for (at least) two reasons.

There's the sexism and racism - any dark-skinned character in the first
two doctors tenure is probably mute and muscle-bound and of course the
girls are scantily clad and suffer from "We need to get to work to save
the world. Polly, can you make us all a cup of coffee." (This is
redressed to an extent in the later episodes and even sent up).

But to the matter of this sub-thread, the other problem is that the
actors were all trained for theatre and not television so they ham it up
something chronic. Patrick Troughton is an improvement on William
Hartnell but even he goes all RSC at a moment's notice. Pertwee is
better (still learning what works on the small screen but he does seem
to be able to adapt). I have a theory that having done more radio work
(even if it was The Navy Lark) he was used to using his voice in more
subtle ways to convey meaning and emotion and he hadn't needed to
project more than a few feet to reach the microphone.

john