Has Joe got a genuine reason for mistrusting the Archers?
Ian Wilson
profit we had yet another Grundy moan about the Archers.
Do the Grundy family have a genuine grievance with the Archers
about a disputed land inheritance, or something similar, or are
we just seeing the petty jealousy of the incompetent and lazy
farmers for their more successful neighbours?
--
Ian Wilson
Leamington Spa, Warwickshire, England
Paul Snow
> Do the Grundy family have a genuine grievance with the Archers
> about a disputed land inheritance, or something similar, or are
> we just seeing the petty jealousy of the incompetent and lazy
> farmers for their more successful neighbours?
>
Remember that Glenys Kinnock is a fan of The Archers (member of official
fan club) and when asked about her husband's feeeling about it she said
that Neil likes it and refers to it as "The Grundys and Their Opressors".
I have a lot of sympathy for Joe Grundy and the way they are treated as
the deserving-poor tenant farmers. Look at Nelson Gabriel - you have to
change your accent and apparent class background to succeed in
Borshetshire.
Timothy Lee
: Ian Wilson <i...@wilsoni.demon.co.uk> writes:
: >As Joe's cider selling in the Bull did not realise the expected
: >profit we had yet another Grundy moan about the Archers.
: >Do the Grundy family have a genuine grievance with the Archers
: >about a disputed land inheritance, or something similar, or are
: >we just seeing the petty jealousy of the incompetent and lazy
: >farmers for their more successful neighbours?
: ...as Neil Kinnock once commented: 'The Archers' should be
: renamed 'The Grundys and their oppressors'...
A new person from Durham! Hello there! The reason for their complaining
is that they still have not forgiven the Beeb for naming the programming
'The Archers' as opposed to their favoured name 'The Grundys'
I think that each week it should have a different name according to the
major storyline of the week, for instance 'The Druggies' an everyday
story of country pot heads, or 'The Fisher' an everyday story of country
heresy etc. Everyone that listens would understand it and it would also
give them an idea of what the week's episdoes would be about without
having to look in the paper.
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David Shepherd
: As Joe's cider selling in the Bull did not realise the expected
: profit we had yet another Grundy moan about the Archers.
: Do the Grundy family have a genuine grievance with the Archers
: about a disputed land inheritance, or something similar, or are
: we just seeing the petty jealousy of the incompetent and lazy
: farmers for their more successful neighbours?
I think the Grundy's complaint stems from the First World War
when the Grundys went off to fight for King and Country while
Dan Archer (?) stayed at home looking after his farm and by the
time the Grundys got back the Archers had established a unassailable
lead in the farm race.
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Steve Riddle
>There is some of that, but I'm pretty certain there was some brouhaha when
>Joe's father returned from WW I and was convinced that the Archers had done
>him out of land/inheritance/a woman that was rightly his. I think the book
>"To the Victor the Spoils" covers this episode in detail, but I don't have a
>copy myself.
>Someone else out there surely has a copy, and perhaps they can contribute a
>two or three line summary for the FAQ while we're at it....
>
I don't have a copy but I'm not going to let that stop me from
summarising it. I borrowed it as an audio book from the library about
a year ago.
"To the victor the spoils" begins with Dan's father running Brookfield
before the war. His sons, Dan and Ben, both go off to war, as does Joe
Grundy's father who has a senior rank to Dan and Ben. I seem to
remember he makes Ben's life hell, which suggests a grievance
predating the war. Archer senior dies while D & B are at war, so Dan
as oldest comes back to look after his mam and the farm. He starts
building it up. Someone else who dies is old Squire Lawson-Hope, with
whom the Archers had a fairly brown-nosed relationship. Ben
eventually returns shell-shocked, and they quarrel over
land/inheritance/Doris - Ben loses the fight and emigrates. Now I
*think* I'm right in saying that Ben saves Grundy snr's life out in
the trenches and he returns suitably humbled. What else... oh yes, the
Squire's succeeded by his son who doesn't much understand about
country ways and Dan helps him come to terms with his duties - which
includes judging a ploughing match in which Dan beats Grundy. The
book ends with Dan and Doris married and the immortal line "I think
I'm going to have a baby". Dum de dum...
Well that was good wasn't it, totally failed to answer the question
about Archers v Grundys... and it's a bit more than 2-3 lines. Those
who have read the book more recently are welcome to correct this...
-Steve
Bill Green
writes
> Look at Nelson Gabriel - you have to
>change your accent and apparent class background to succeed in
>Borshetshire.
As I recall he picked up his current accent ( a bit like Brian Sewall)
whilst serving in the RAF as a Corporal.
I think you have to give the Ambridge community credit for accepting a
rehabilitated Nelson following his alledged involvement and
disappearance after the Great Train Robbery.
You would have thought that this would have precluded him from obtaining
a booze licence for his wine bar but obviously strings were pulled for
the sake of his dear old dad.
--
Bill Green
"Let no man say he's happy 'til all his relatives are dead"
J. P. Gilliver (John)
<Michael...@durham.ac.uk> writes
[]
>George Grundy (Joe's Father) fought in WWI with Dan Archer but the
>Archer's got the tenancy of Brookfield and the Grundys were rewarded with
>(the crap) Grange Farm.
[]
So the Archers were tenant farmers too; when did they get the freehold,
or are they _still_ paying some (tiny now maybe? Shula in compromised
position?) rent to someone?
--
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Michael Hopkins
: In article <3119CE...@bath.ac.uk>, Paul Snow <pys...@bath.ac.uk>
: writes
: > Look at Nelson Gabriel - you have to
: >change your accent and apparent class background to succeed in
: >Borshetshire.
: As I recall he picked up his current accent ( a bit like Brian Sewall)
: whilst serving in the RAF as a Corporal.
: I think you have to give the Ambridge community credit for accepting a
: rehabilitated Nelson following his alledged involvement and
: disappearance after the Great Train Robbery.
The Mailvan Robbery. He was aquitted by a majority verdict, therefore no
criminal record.
: You would have thought that this would have precluded him from obtaining
: a booze licence for his wine bar but obviously strings were pulled for
: the sake of his dear old dad.
: --
: Bill Green
:
Michael Hopkins
: In article <4fcv1c$p...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>, Michael Hopkins
They bought the freehold in the fifties and expanded from ~80 acres to
the present ~440 acres by slowly buying up more land.
Bill Green
<Michael...@durham.ac.uk> writes
>
>
>The Mailvan Robbery. He was aquitted by a majority verdict, therefore no
>criminal record.
>
My memory is clouded by Jennifer and Lillian 'Loads a money' Bellamy
discussing the matter on the Am bridge just before Jennifer announced
that she had been Knocked-up by Dans Cowman.
At this point my mother turned the wireless off.
Michael Hopkins
: >> George Grundy (Joe's Father) fought in WWI with Dan Archer but the
: Archer's got the tenancy of Brookfield and the Grundys were rewarded
: with
: (the crap) Grange Farm. <<
: Wasn't there also a dispute because one of the Archer's came back
: from the Trenches to take over Brookfield while Grundy
: senior stayed and fought?
Yes.
: ISTR a one-off radio play set in WWI explaining the
: background to the Grundy/Archer fued.
Yes there was.
: Jim
: --
: Jim Leeder, London, UK
: e-mail 10004...@compuserve.com
Barry Simpson
>My memory is clouded by Jennifer and Lillian 'Loads a money' Bellamy
>discussing the matter on the Am bridge just before Jennifer announced
>that she had been Knocked-up by Dans Cowman.
>At this point my mother turned the wireless off.
Would that Cowman be Adam's father??
What was his name - anyone know? - Surely Travers-Macey didn't have
such humble beginnings?
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The Incompetent Perfectionist...but with your help
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> Barry Simpson (az...@dial.pipex.com)
> The Incompetent Perfectionist...but with your help
> I'll be incompetent at a much higher level
asked:
>
> Would that Cowman be Adam's father??
> What was his name - anyone know? - Surely Travers-Macey didn't have
> such humble beginnings?
Paddy Redmond
Roy Harrison
Winchester
Pat Hanby
> Bill Green <bi...@wagg.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >My memory is clouded by Jennifer and Lillian 'Loads a money' Bellamy
> >discussing the matter on the Am bridge just before Jennifer announced
> >that she had been Knocked-up by Dans Cowman.
> >At this point my mother turned the wireless off.
>
> Would that Cowman be Adam's father??
> What was his name - anyone know? - Surely Travers-Macey didn't have
> such humble beginnings?
>
Adam's father was Paddy Redmond. He was legally adopted by Roger Travers-Macy
when he and Jennifer married, then dropped the Travers and is now Adam Macy.
(Whereas Debbie who _is_ Roger's child is now known as Aldridge)
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