7.9.21 Tuesday

[Vicky Ayech]

Bleurgh. The only bit I didn't mind was that final scene. I liked
that :).
All the Eddie and Joy stuff and most of the Susan and Neil was not
entertainment. And went on too long, or that last couple did. And I am
tired of the SWs having fun that is not funny with Eddie. The whole
limo and mystery tour thing is pathetic. Ok I liked that they went off
for sandwiches. I hope Clarrie is not going to have to tell Joy to
back off. Joy tried to get Tony and Shula tried for Neil. Ambridge is
a hotbed of potential adultory.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 at 22:10:00, Vicky Ayech <vicky...@gmail.com>
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):

>Bleurgh. The only bit I didn't mind was that final scene. I liked
>that :).
>All the Eddie and Joy stuff and most of the Susan and Neil was not
>entertainment. And went on too long, or that last couple did. And I am

Well, at least the Susan and Neil stuff _seems_ to have come to a head -
Susan finally saying what's on her mind, and Neil getting it. Both have
been very irritating - mainly Susan IMO (men aren't good at getting
subtleties), though Neil sometimes insensitive (though only to we
listeners who know what Susan's concerns are; I don't think he was if he
_didn't_ know).

>tired of the SWs having fun that is not funny with Eddie. The whole

You and me both (and, probably, most of us).

>limo and mystery tour thing is pathetic. Ok I liked that they went off

I'm wondering just how long it's going to go on before he gets "done"
for the illegal activity. Even if the other taxi operator in the village
(Rex is it?) doesn't "dob him in", surely in the current police state
some agency would have noticed before now. (If nothing else, there's a
policeman living in the village!) And what is he doing about insurance?
Most private insurances I've looked at for the last few years cover the
car (other than ones for people in the motor trade etc.); I assume at
least he's added the limo to his insurance, even though I wouldn't put
it past him not to have declared any use other than "private domestic
pleasure and commuting". [Or do agricultural people have different types
of insurance? (Does Eddie still do ag. work at his age?)]

I'm also not sure what sort of car it is; sure, I don't expect the BBC
to mention brands, but I'm unclear whether it's just a luxury car -
Roller, Daimler, Bentley, big Merc, or similar - or a (usually slightly
less grand initially) stretch limo. The fact that he's doing mystery
tours (though this was in fact the first I'd heard of it!), not to
mention the impracticality of driving such a thing around country lanes,
makes me think it is the former.

(Also, where's he keeping it? There was some suggestion of him "hiding"
it initially, as he wanted the original purpose - driving Clarrie in it
to something on their anniversary - to be a surprise, but ...)

>for sandwiches. I hope Clarrie is not going to have to tell Joy to
>back off. Joy tried to get Tony and Shula tried for Neil. Ambridge is
>a hotbed of potential adultory.

[Unless that's a political jab, I think you'll find it's adultEry. (-:]
I don't think Shula "tried for" Neil - nor, in fact, that there was
anything between them - or either of them thinking there was - beyond
good friends. Sure, she perhaps began to take him for granted to a tiny
extent, but I don't think she had any thought of anything stronger in
mind (sexual or otherwise); she just took advantage of his willingness
to do things (and that gradually and perhaps unconsciously). On his
part, I think it started out as just friendliness (plus pleasure in
being able to do practical things for someone, in the same way I like
helping with computer problems); yes, it developed into "seeking
refuge", but no more than that, and only when Susan's behaviour became
incomprehensible to him.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I'd rather trust the guys in the lab coats who aren't demanding that I get up
early on Sundays to apologize for being human.
-- Captain Splendid (quoted by "The Real Bev" in mozilla.general, 2014-11-16)

[Vicky Ayech]

I actually spellchecked that word! There is such a word but it
probably gave it with e too and I didn't look carefully at the
spellcheck.

>[Unless that's a political jab, I think you'll find it's adultEry. (-:]


>I don't think Shula "tried for" Neil - nor, in fact, that there was
>anything between them - or either of them thinking there was - beyond
>good friends. Sure, she perhaps began to take him for granted to a tiny

Did you miss the scene where Shula told Snappy she had a thing for
Neil?

[Mike McMillan]

ITYWFT Shula ‘Had had a thing for Kneal’ past tense and all that.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

[Clive Arthur]

On 07/09/2021 22:10, Vicky Ayech wrote:

<snipped>

Joy tried to get Tony and Shula tried for Neil.

IRTA "Joy [attempted] to get Tony and Shula tried [in a court of law]
for Neil." I wondered what I'd missed.

--
Cheers
Clive

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 at 12:27:28, Mike McMillan
<toodl...@virginmedia.com> wrote (my responses usually follow points
raised):

>Vicky Ayech <vicky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 12:22:44 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>> <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

[]

>>> I don't think Shula "tried for" Neil - nor, in fact, that there was
>>> anything between them - or either of them thinking there was - beyond
>>> good friends. Sure, she perhaps began to take him for granted to a tiny
>> Did you miss the scene where Shula told Snappy she had a thing for
>> Neil?
>>

Probably. I miss a lot.
[]

>ITYWFT Shula ‘Had had a thing for Kneal’ past tense and all that.
>

I certainly didn't get the impression that the recent relationship was
anything other than just - admittedly very - good friends, either in
actuality or in the mind of either.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Worst programme ever made? I was in hospital once having a knee operation and I
watched a whole episode of "EastEnders". Ugh! I suppose it's true to life. But
so is diarrhoea - and I don't want to see that on television. - Patrick Moore,
in Radio Times 12-18 May 2007.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 at 14:18:34, Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk>

wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):

(-:

I don't think Joy tried anything serious; she's just flirty (by some
people's definition) by nature, she does it with anyone (man, at least;
not sure otherwise) she doesn't immediately detect will object. Whether
she'd go further if someone responded positively, I'm not sure - but if
she did, I don't think she'd mean anything serious. I don't think she is
often serious about anything - though I think she _can_ be, especially
when someone's in real need. (In that latter respect, though absolutely
no other!, she's like L*nda.) I think I'd like to have her as a friend -
though would find her frustrating at times!

[Hellerat]

On 08/09/2021 16:31, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 at 12:27:28, Mike McMillan <toodl...@virginmedia.com> wrote (my
> responses usually follow points raised):
>> Vicky Ayech <vicky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 12:22:44 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>> <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> []
>>>> I don't think Shula "tried for" Neil - nor, in fact, that there was
>>>> anything between them - or either of them thinking there was - beyond
>>>> good friends. Sure, she perhaps began to take him for granted to a tiny
>>> Did you miss the scene where Shula told Snappy she had a thing for
>>> Neil?
>>>
> Probably. I miss a lot.
> []
>> ITYWFT Shula ‘Had had a thing for Kneal’ past tense and all that.
>>
> I certainly didn't get the impression that the recent relationship was anything other than
> just - admittedly very - good friends, either in actuality or in the mind of either.

I heard the same quite recent episode as Vicky, when Shula admitted to her ex-husband, of
all people, that she thought she was in lurve with Neil.

--
Yassas,
Anne, Exceptionally Traditionally-built Hellerat

[Vicky Ayech]

On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 14:31:50 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

<G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 at 12:27:28, Mike McMillan
><toodl...@virginmedia.com> wrote (my responses usually follow points
>raised):
>>Vicky Ayech <vicky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 12:22:44 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>> <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>[]
>>>> I don't think Shula "tried for" Neil - nor, in fact, that there was
>>>> anything between them - or either of them thinking there was - beyond
>>>> good friends. Sure, she perhaps began to take him for granted to a tiny
>>> Did you miss the scene where Shula told Snappy she had a thing for
>>> Neil?
>>>
>Probably. I miss a lot.
>[]
>>ITYWFT Shula ‘Had had a thing for Kneal’ past tense and all that.
>>
>I certainly didn't get the impression that the recent relationship was
>anything other than just - admittedly very - good friends, either in
>actuality or in the mind of either.

I didn't mean had in that it was in the past. It is now.

[Mike McMillan]

Vicky Ayech <vicky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 14:31:50 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 at 12:27:28, Mike McMillan
>> <toodl...@virginmedia.com> wrote (my responses usually follow points
>> raised):
>>> Vicky Ayech <vicky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 12:22:44 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>>> <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> []
>>>>> I don't think Shula "tried for" Neil - nor, in fact, that there was
>>>>> anything between them - or either of them thinking there was - beyond
>>>>> good friends. Sure, she perhaps began to take him for granted to a tiny
>>>> Did you miss the scene where Shula told Snappy she had a thing for
>>>> Neil?
>>>>
>> Probably. I miss a lot.
>> []
>>> ITYWFT Shula ‘Had had a thing for Kneal’ past tense and all that.
>>>
>> I certainly didn't get the impression that the recent relationship was
>> anything other than just - admittedly very - good friends, either in
>> actuality or in the mind of either.
>
> I didn't mean had in that it was in the past. It is now.
>

My radio’s sound has a different colour tinge to yours… ;-)))

[Hellerat]

Agreed!

> My radio’s sound has a different colour tinge to yours… ;-)))
>

Mine's the same hue as Vicky's. Let's not cry about it.

[Chris]

J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 at 14:18:34, Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk>
> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>> On 07/09/2021 22:10, Vicky Ayech wrote:
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>> Joy tried to get Tony and Shula tried for Neil.
>>
>> IRTA "Joy [attempted] to get Tony and Shula tried [in a court of law]
>> for Neil." I wondered what I'd missed.
>>
> (-:
>
> I don't think Joy tried anything serious; she's just flirty (by some
> people's definition) by nature, she does it with anyone (man, at least;
> not sure otherwise) she doesn't immediately detect will object. Whether
> she'd go further if someone responded positively, I'm not sure - but if
> she did, I don't think she'd mean anything serious. I don't think she is
> often serious about anything - though I think she _can_ be, especially
> when someone's in real need. (In that latter respect, though absolutely
> no other!, she's like L*nda.) I think I'd like to have her as a friend -
> though would find her frustrating at times!

At least you speak the Geordie, jpeg! If that’s what she’s portrayed to be.

Sincerely Chris

[steve hague]

>
>
>> I don't think Shula "tried for" Neil - nor, in fact, that there was
>> anything between them - or either of them thinking there was - beyond
>> good friends. Sure, she perhaps began to take him for granted to a tiny
> Did you miss the scene where Shula told Snappy she had a thing for
> Neil?
>

Neil has always been a horny-handed son of the soil, despite Soosan's
early attempts to make him into a Young Executive. Perhaps what Shula
likes about him is his honesty. At times he's attempted to go along with
his wife's ambitions, but his nature has prevailed.
Steve

[Vicky Ayech]

On Thu, 9 Sep 2021 10:44:44 +0100, steve hague
<steveh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>>
>>> I don't think Shula "tried for" Neil - nor, in fact, that there was
>>> anything between them - or either of them thinking there was - beyond
>>> good friends. Sure, she perhaps began to take him for granted to a tiny
>> Did you miss the scene where Shula told Snappy she had a thing for
>> Neil?
>>
>Neil has always been a horny-handed son of the soil,

I always took that to mean hands that got horny doing farm work but
you've now givenit a whole new meaning.

[Sam Plusnet]

Neil & Shula did spend time together when teenagers, though I can't
remember how far the relationship progressed.
Perhaps Shula sees Neil as a token of her youth and a way of revisiting
happier times.


--
Sam Plusnet

[Serena Blanchflower]

I'm don't think their relationship was ever consummated but it was
definitely a romantic relationship. I think that, for both of them, the
other was "the one who got away" and the subject of "what if" type
fantasies.

It seems pretty clear to me that, recently, both of them have been
wallowing in these fantasies as an escape from the stresses and
challenges of real life. Fortunately, Neil has now recognised that
that's all they were, while Shula may still be in thrall to them.
--
Best wishes, Serena
Why is ‘dark’ spelled with a k and not c? Because you can’t see in the dark.

[Serena Blanchflower]

On 08/09/2021 14:36, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> I don't think Joy tried anything serious; she's just flirty (by some
> people's definition) by nature, she does it with anyone (man, at least;
> not sure otherwise) she doesn't immediately detect will object. Whether
> she'd go further if someone responded positively, I'm not sure - but if
> she did, I don't think she'd mean anything serious. I don't think she is
> often serious about anything - though I think she _can_ be, especially
> when someone's in real need. (In that latter respect, though absolutely
> no other!, she's like L*nda.) I think I'd like to have her as a friend -
> though would find her frustrating at times!

I agree with you, she's just flirty and lonely. Like you, I think she's
someone I'd like, in real life, while sometimes finding her infuriating.
--
Best wishes, Serena
As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every
part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder. (John Glenn)

[Serena Blanchflower]

On 08/09/2021 12:22, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 at 22:10:00, Vicky Ayech <vicky...@gmail.com>
> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>> Bleurgh.  The only bit I didn't mind was that final scene. I liked
>> that :).
>> All the Eddie and Joy stuff and most of the Susan and Neil was not
>> entertainment. And went on too long, or that last couple did. And I am
>
> Well, at least the Susan and Neil stuff _seems_ to have come to a head -
> Susan finally saying what's on her mind, and Neil getting it. Both have
> been very irritating - mainly Susan IMO (men aren't good at getting
> subtleties), though Neil sometimes insensitive (though only to we
> listeners who know what Susan's concerns are; I don't think he was if he
> _didn't_ know).
>
>> tired of the SWs having fun that is not funny with Eddie.  The whole
>
> You and me both (and, probably, most of us).

I'm certainly another one who's finding supremely unfunny :(

>
>> limo and mystery tour thing is pathetic. Ok I liked that they went off
>
> I'm wondering just how long it's going to go on before he gets "done"
> for the illegal activity. Even if the other taxi operator in the village
> (Rex is it?) doesn't "dob him in", surely in the current police state
> some agency would have noticed before now. (If nothing else, there's a
> policeman living in the village!) And what is he doing about insurance?
> Most private insurances I've looked at for the last few years cover the
> car (other than ones for people in the motor trade etc.); I assume at
> least he's added the limo to his insurance, even though I wouldn't put
> it past him not to have declared any use other than "private domestic
> pleasure and commuting". [Or do agricultural people have different types
> of insurance? (Does Eddie still do ag. work at his age?)]

I would be amazed if he had anything more than the most basic insurance.
Not least because the whole point of it (from Eddie's point of view)
is that it isn't a taxi business ('cos that would be illegal). Surely
people giving him voluntary tips can't require special insurance
<innocent look>?



--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. Which bird always succeeds?
A. A budgie with no teeth.

[Rosalind Mitchell]

On 2021-09-09, steve hague <steveh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Neil has always been a horny-handed son of the soil

Or, as Adrian Henri might have put it, a horny-handed ton of soil.

R

[Rosalind Mitchell]

On 2021-09-08, J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

>Worst programme ever made? I was in hospital once having a knee
>operation and I watched a whole episode of "EastEnders".

Ha! I've been having to watch a lot of episodes of EastEnders from the
1980s for my MLitt dissertaion. Bloody depressing, isn't it!

R

[Vicky Ayech]

I used to watch at the beginning, years ago. It was ok then.

Currently I tried White Lotus, watched all 6 episodes so you don't
have to.It was dire although in the Radio Times some celebs are saying
it's good. Also watched 2 of The Chair and 2 of 9 people. I felt 2 was
enough to give them a chance. I don't have to suffer more. The Chair
is not that funny and 9 Persons is miserable.

[Peter Withey]

Quote from the TAE, the Book of the Archers entry is similar.

The great , unrequited, love of his life was Shula Archer, who would
occationally go out with him if there was nobody else around, but
could only think of him as a friend.
--
Pete

[Peter Withey]

On Thu, 9 Sep 2021 19:59:06 +0100, Serena Blanchflower
<nos...@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:

>On 09/09/2021 18:03, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 09-Sep-21 10:44, steve hague wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think Shula "tried for" Neil - nor, in fact, that there was
>>>>> anything between them - or either of them thinking there was - beyond
>>>>> good friends. Sure, she perhaps began to take him for granted to a tiny
>>>> Did you miss the scene where Shula told Snappy she had a thing for
>>>> Neil?
>>>>
>>> Neil has always been a horny-handed son of the soil, despite Soosan's
>>> early attempts to make him into a Young Executive. Perhaps what Shula
>>> likes about him is his honesty. At times he's attempted to go along
>>> with his wife's ambitions, but his nature has prevailed.
>>
>> Neil & Shula did spend time together when teenagers, though I can't
>> remember how far the relationship progressed.
>> Perhaps Shula sees Neil as a token of her youth and a way of revisiting
>> happier times.
>>
>>
>
>I'm don't think their relationship was ever consummated but it was
>definitely a romantic relationship. I think that, for both of them, the
>other was "the one who got away" and the subject of "what if" type
>fantasies.

It wasn't. Simon Parker had that privilage.

Partly from memory and confirmed by both of the books.

>
>It seems pretty clear to me that, recently, both of them have been
>wallowing in these fantasies as an escape from the stresses and
>challenges of real life. Fortunately, Neil has now recognised that
>that's all they were, while Shula may still be in thrall to them.
--

Pete

[Chris]

Neil lived with Martha and Joby Woodford so was never going to be Shula’s
equal in those class ridden days. I wasn’t listening then and would have to
dig into the books to find out how Neil arrived in the village: bet he was
an orphan!

Sincerely Chris

[carolet]

She may still be in thrall, but she also seems determined not to do
anything about it that will cause trouble.

--
CaroleT

[Penny]

On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 16:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Chris
<chris.m...@ntlworld.com> scrawled in the dust...

>Neil lived with Martha and Joby Woodford so was never going to be Shula’s
>equal in those class ridden days. I wasn’t listening then and would have to
>dig into the books to find out how Neil arrived in the village: bet he was
>an orphan!

He was born in Oxfordshire, moved to Birmingham with his mother and wanted
to live in the country. He was apprenticed to Ambridge Farmers (Ltd) at the
age of 16 under an agricultural training scheme and took lodgings with the
Woodfords.

He made a mess of pretty much everything on the farm at the beginning but
persevered and turned out pretty well in the end of his training. He was
offered a place on the Borchester United football team but turned it down
because he'd rather stay on the farm.
--
Penny
Happiness comes in through doors you didn't even know you'd left open.

[krw]

The first few years were not too bad. But then one Sean O'Connor turned
up and decided to knock some sense into the programme and had Little Mo
set about her (husband/partner) with an iron. Which was the end.

Whatever happened to him? I heard he tried and failed to run a radio
soap and then vanished.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

[krw]

I have watched one episode of White Lotus and cannot make up my mind if
it is dire or if it is supposed to be that bad and therefore to be
considered a joke?

[Mike McMillan]

I think he ‘bowed’ out.

[Vicky Ayech]

Thinking back, spoiler for E1





The young man says the corpse travelling on the plane is his wife?
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went back to the dzflkghaeorth;kjnpvogdc[fhiptgh.

[krw]

On 11.9.21 10:09, Vicky Ayech wrote:
> Doesn't he? Or did I remember it wrong all through> I

There were all sorts of implications that it was his wife that was the
body but not that he had killed her. But he was just annoying.