The Killing - Finale (MAJOR SPOILER)
Siderius Nuncius
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I must say I was a little disappointed with the ending. It held itself
together for a long time as downbeat and reasonable plausible, and I was
sorry that it got so unnecessarily overblown and also that it copped out of
the political
stuff with Bremer's stroke. Still a brilliant series, though. And I was
wrong about Rie.
I get most of it, but I have a few questions which are probably just me
being dim.
If umbrella (who was hanged in the ship) dropped Nanna at the flat and then
rang and told Vagn that she was going away, how come Vagn went to the school
and stole the keys to the Hartmann campaign car before going to the flat?
How did he get to the school and what happened to the vehicle he drove
before stealing the car?
How did Vagn know that umbrella was going to be at the ship so he could kill
him there and fake the suicide?
Why was Sarah Lund offered a deal in order to bury the link with the
previous killing? Why did they want that covered up?
Was someone in the Police Department was covering things up for someone at
City Hall - another thing not to bementioned as a part of the deal offered
to Lund? If so, who, what and for whom?
Any views welcome.
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Sid
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the Omrud
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I was singing last night, and we had to pick up Daughter from a party at
23:00, so we had to sit up late to watch the last two episodes, finally
getting to the end at about 01:45.
> I must say I was a little disappointed with the ending. It held itself
> together for a long time as downbeat and reasonable plausible, and I was
> sorry that it got so unnecessarily overblown and also that it copped out of
> the political stuff with Bremer's stroke. Still a brilliant series, though.
> And I was wrong about Rie.
I'm pleased to say that I wasn't. I had worried about her for the first
two episodes but quickly decided that she was utterly devoted to Troels.
I thought her dad might reappear, but I was wrong about that.
> I get most of it, but I have a few questions which are probably just me
> being dim.
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> If umbrella (who was hanged in the ship)
Leon, I think
> dropped Nanna at the flat and then
> rang and told Vagn that she was going away, how come Vagn went to the school
> and stole the keys to the Hartmann campaign car before going to the flat?
> How did he get to the school and what happened to the vehicle he drove
> before stealing the car?
The car was already at the flat. Troels had driven it there (which he
originally failed to mention), left the keys on the table and walked to
Rie's house because he'd been drinking.
Copenhagen is not a large town. Vagn probably got a bus, or picked up
his car in the morning.
> How did Vagn know that umbrella was going to be at the ship so he could kill
> him there and fake the suicide?
I wasn't sure about that. Perhaps he did kill himself in remorse for
not shopping Vagn.
> Why was Sarah Lund offered a deal in order to bury the link with the
> previous killing? Why did they want that covered up?
So she can be in the next series.
> Was someone in the Police Department was covering things up for someone at
> City Hall - another thing not to bementioned as a part of the deal offered
> to Lund? If so, who, what and for whom?
The "special" police actions are a mystery. Why was the previous boss
forcibly retired? Blix turned out to be a goodie, and even the strange
police came round as soon as the evidence was presented. But they
surely couldn't have thought that Sarah had shot Meyer.
> Any views welcome.
Why did just about every witness lie or fail to disclose something
important? A young woman had been murdered - it's not something (as Rie
said) that people would cover up for a friend, never mind an
acquaintance. Why didn't Leon tell the police that he'd told Vagn about
Nanna's plans?
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David
the Omrud
Here you go - this is less of a spoiler, more of a complete plot
description, so click at your own risk:
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2011/mar/26/the-killing-episodes-19-and-20>
I don't have time to read now as I have yet another concert tonight
(Gesualdo Tenebrae Responses for Good Friday - very wierd indeed).
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David
BrritSki
> On 27/03/2011 11:08, the Omrud wrote:
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> Here you go - this is less of a spoiler, more of a complete plot
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Some excellent comments there...
Siderius Nuncius
"the Omrud" <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote
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Thanks, David. Very helpful for the somewhat slow of wit like me.
> I don't have time to read now as I have yet another concert tonight
> (Gesualdo Tenebrae Responses for Good Friday - very wierd indeed).
Good luck. I have The Tallis Scholars' recording of them, and concluded
some years ago that Gesualdo was as mad as a badger. They must be really
hard to sing.
badriya
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>On 27/03/2011 08:45, Siderius Nuncius wrote:
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>I was singing last night, and we had to pick up Daughter from a party at
>23:00, so we had to sit up late to watch the last two episodes, finally
>getting to the end at about 01:45.
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>> I must say I was a little disappointed with the ending. It held itself
Yes I was disappointed too.
Maybe the failure to solve the first killing reflected badly on
someone and it left Vagn free to kill again. Then the repeated
attempts to pull Lund off the case were what allowed the killings
after Nana.
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>> Was someone in the Police Department was covering things up for someone at
>> City Hall - another thing not to bementioned as a part of the deal offered
>> to Lund? If so, who, what and for whom?
I wondered if Ris father was behind it so the party could get Troels
in, although he didn't seem to be going to be their puppet.
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>The "special" police actions are a mystery. Why was the previous boss
>forcibly retired? Blix turned out to be a goodie, and even the strange
>police came round as soon as the evidence was presented. But they
>surely couldn't have thought that Sarah had shot Meyer.
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>> Any views welcome.
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>Why did just about every witness lie or fail to disclose something
>important? A young woman had been murdered - it's not something (as Rie
>said) that people would cover up for a friend, never mind an
>acquaintance. Why didn't Leon tell the police that he'd told Vagn about
>Nanna's plans?
Then something that happens in TA, just as someone is going to get
important information something intervenes. The boy found the
passport. Why tell Vagn not his parents? Why did the phone call at
the end come when Vagn was by the anserfone. Will the police listen to
the tape and tell Nana's parents.
Do they have diminished responsibility in Denmark? Surely what Vagn
did, drove the father to the woods, told him what he did, hit him,
gave him the gun and taunted him about the way Nana pleaded for her
life would count towards a defence? Or provocation. The mother and
Lund were witnesses.
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Vicky
Jo Lonergan
Because he thought it would upset them?
>Why did the phone call at
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Narrative convenience, probably.
>Will the police listen to the tape and tell Nana's parents.
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>Do they have diminished responsibility in Denmark? Surely what Vagn
>did, drove the father to the woods, told him what he did, hit him,
>gave him the gun and taunted him about the way Nana pleaded for her
>life would count towards a defence? Or provocation. The mother and
>Lund were witnesses.
Somebody Danish in the Guardian blog estimated he'd get 2-3 years in an open
prison, but be able to have some kind of job while there, to help support his
family. Something or other gone mad, obviously.
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Jo
J. P. Gilliver (John)
<jolon...@hotmail.com> writes:
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>Somebody Danish in the Guardian blog estimated he'd get 2-3 years in an open
>prison, but be able to have some kind of job while there, to help support his
>family. Something or other gone mad, obviously.
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I'd rather a prisoner does something productive, especially if it
supports his family, rather than just lock him up and have the state
have to shoulder the full cost of doing so.
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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Jo Lonergan
<G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <pabvo69pjfjh9rrd5...@4ax.com>, Jo Lonergan
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>>Somebody Danish in the Guardian blog estimated he'd get 2-3 years in an open
>>prison, but be able to have some kind of job while there, to help support his
>>family. Something or other gone mad, obviously.
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>If you mean political correctness or something similar, I'm not sure:
>I'd rather a prisoner does something productive, especially if it
>supports his family, rather than just lock him up and have the state
>have to shoulder the full cost of doing so.
Seems like a no-brainer to me, too.
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Jo
the Omrud
Thanks. It wasn't perfect, but we were well pleased with the result.
Eight weeks ago I though we weren't going to be able to do it at all -
it took most of a rehearsal (2 hours or more) to get through a single
page of the stuff at first. He really was 200 years ahead of anybody
else in Europe in polyphony. Never mind the fact that he murdered his
wife and couldn't be prosecuted because he was a nobleman with cardinals
for cousins.
Actually, being close confined with the music for a term, you start to
make sense of it and see where he's going. Anyway, we finished the
concert (our old-fashioned conductor calls them "recitals") with
Palestrina's Stabat Mater. Now that, we know how to do. I've been with
this group for about three years and I think it was the most beautiful
sound we've made during that time. We were probably relieved that the
bonkers stuff had come to an end.
If you are of the masochistic tendency, I can share the recording when
it appears, although it's often several months. We won't sound like the
Tallis Scholars though.
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David
badriya
With the facts as we saw them I think he and his family have been
punished enough. It was provocation and mismanagement by the senior
police officers that caused the shooting. I think a suspended
sentence would be right here.
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Vicky
Sally Thompson
(in article <pvh0p6d5t0v7atj31...@4ax.com>):
I don't (sadly) have a daughter, but if I was holding a gun and facing the
man who had raped her, beaten her and then thrown her alive in a river to
drown, I would have fired too. I would have probably aimed somewhat further
down except that since I've never fired a gun in my life I would have
probably got his feet.
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Sally in Shropshire, UK
Siderius Nuncius
"the Omrud" <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> I don't have time to read now as I have yet another concert tonight
>>> (Gesualdo Tenebrae Responses for Good Friday - very wierd indeed).
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>> Good luck. I have The Tallis Scholars' recording of them, and concluded
>> some years ago that Gesualdo was as mad as a badger. They must be really
>> hard to sing.
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> Thanks. It wasn't perfect, but we were well pleased with the result.
> Eight weeks ago I though we weren't going to be able to do it at all - it
> took most of a rehearsal (2 hours or more) to get through a single page of
> the stuff at first. He really was 200 years ahead of anybody else in
> Europe in polyphony. Never mind the fact that he murdered his wife and
> couldn't be prosecuted because he was a nobleman with cardinals for
> cousins.
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> Actually, being close confined with the music for a term, you start to
> make sense of it and see where he's going. Anyway, we finished the
> concert (our old-fashioned conductor calls them "recitals") with
> Palestrina's Stabat Mater. Now that, we know how to do. I've been with
> this group for about three years and I think it was the most beautiful
> sound we've made during that time. We were probably relieved that the
> bonkers stuff had come to an end.
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> If you are of the masochistic tendency, I can share the recording when it
> appears, although it's often several months. We won't sound like the
> Tallis Scholars though.
Oh, yes please! I'd love that.
Glad it went well.
the Omrud
In this exact circumstance, there was a very serious danger he would be
shot by the police first. Sarah probably wouldn't have done so, but
there were dozens of hairy viking policeman coming up behind her.
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David
BrritSki
like Vagn are likely to be under-endowed, perhaps 2" would be more
appropriate.
Mark Williams
"Jo Lonergan" <jolon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8d30p6peihfi9edjr...@4ax.com...
I agree. The first shot to the body didn't kill Vagn. It was the second to
the head that did for him. Oh. ISWYM.
K Richard Whitbread
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>I get most of it, but I have a few questions which are probably just me
>being dim.
>
>If umbrella (who was hanged in the ship) dropped Nanna at the flat and then
>rang and told Vagn that she was going away, how come Vagn went to the school
>and stole the keys to the Hartmann campaign car before going to the flat?
>How did he get to the school and what happened to the vehicle he drove
>before stealing the car?
One of the civil servants recovered the car and the Troels drove it to
the flat before Nanna went there.
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>How did Vagn know that umbrella was going to be at the ship so he could kill
>him there and fake the suicide?
I don't think he did. There is another conspiracy - I think it was the
police who ensured that the guy died on the boat.
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>Why was Sarah Lund offered a deal in order to bury the link with the
>previous killing? Why did they want that covered up?
The police obviously do not want their earlier inadequacies uncovered.
This ties in with the point about the guy dying on the boat - there is
another cover up going on.
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>Was someone in the Police Department was covering things up for someone at
>City Hall - another thing not to bementioned as a part of the deal offered
>to Lund? If so, who, what and for whom?
Yes - Whoever got the internal investigations guy to believe the Lund
was mad and needed her to stop her investigation. There is a wider
conspiracy but I am not entirely sure who is helping whom and why - but
possibly the intention was to keep the Mayor in power and when he became
ill the conspiracy failed?
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>Any views welcome.
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Kosmo Richard W
SNELLSS
K Richard Whitbread
>Sarah probably wouldn't have done so, but there were dozens of hairy
>viking policeman coming up behind her.
Remember until she loosed the shot skywards she had never discharged a
weapon on duty (except presumably in training).