whatever happened to....
Berengaria of Navarre
Helen and Tommy archer......I scarcely hear of them these days. This
neglect of, and disinterest in, children in Ambridge obviously goes back a
long way. The kiddies are only heard of when they are old enough to move
in with folks/have big exams/ run up debts. How old are helen and Tommy
supposed to be anyway.
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"Open Paper, What Open Paper?" Eleanor was beginning to suspect that the
History Department hadn't been entirly straight with her.
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Berengaria of Navarre, Big Castle, Aquitaine upon Dowry, Murderous Family
Fightshire, Medieval Europe, HMIII QU6.
Linda
In article <Pine.SGI.3.95L.97062...@tower.york.ac.uk>,
Berengaria of Navarre <eew...@york.ac.uk> writes
>How old are helen
Helen was quoted as being too young to go to John's 21st birthday bash
at The Bull and having a big furry lip about it it.
--
Linda
Mike Ellwood
Peter Hesketh (p...@phesk.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: >
: >Helen's at college (end of 1st year?) which makes her about 18 or 19.
: >Tommy's doing GCSEs which makes him 16-ish I think.
: Helen b Apr 79
hm..my daughter (b Dec 1978) has just finished her A levels
at school.
Helen would seem to be a tad young to be already away
from home, "at college".
Is this an FE college, agricultural college, finishing school, or
what?
Meriel Lewis
In article <5p7rfh$s...@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, Mike Ellwood
<m...@unixfe.cc.rl.ac.uk> writes
>
>
Wasn't there some thin in-fill of Helen not having a party for her 18th
and going back to college to celebrate with her new friends (or have I
made that all up)???
-
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Glynn & Kathy Greenwood
In article <5p7rfh$s...@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, m...@unixfe.cc.rl.ac.uk (Mike
Ellwood) wrote:
> Helen would seem to be a tad young to be already away
> from home, "at college".
18 seems to me a not unreasonable age to be at college.
--
Glynn Greenwood : gw...@argonet.co.uk
Tue,01 Jul 1997.18:46:06
Peter Hesketh
In article <AIaIlKA3...@semaphore.demon.co.uk>, Kate Lambert
<ka...@semaphore.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <Pine.SGI.3.95L.97070...@tower.york.ac.uk>,>>Is this "college" FE or HE?
>
>FE as I recall. I think it's a residential agricultural college called
>"Reecie" or "Wreeky" or something and she went there after GCSEs in a
>desperate scriptwriter bid to avoid having to pay for her speaking for
>another 2 or 3 years.
I think it was Reese Heath. It is in Staffs. My aunt went there to
learn horticulture before the war.
Kind Regards
Peter Hesketh, Mynyddbach, Monmouthshire, UK
"I don't make predictions. I never have and I never will." - Tony Blair
Kate Lambert
In article <Pine.SGI.3.95L.97070...@tower.york.ac.uk>,
Berengaria of Navarre <eew...@york.ac.uk> writes
>Is this "college" FE or HE?
FE as I recall. I think it's a residential agricultural college called
"Reecie" or "Wreeky" or something and she went there after GCSEs in a
desperate scriptwriter bid to avoid having to pay for her speaking for
another 2 or 3 years.
--
Kate Lambert
Chris
In article <NUGyDWA7...@hemulen.demon.co.uk>, Meriel Lewis
<URL:mailto:mer...@hemulen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In article <5p7rfh$s...@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, Mike Ellwood
> <m...@unixfe.cc.rl.ac.uk> writes
> >Peter Hesketh (p...@phesk.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> >
> >--
> >Mike.E...@rl.ac.uk
>
> Wasn't there some thin in-fill of Helen not having a party for her 18th
> and going back to college to celebrate with her new friends (or have I
> made that all up)???
>
Well spotted, Merial. That's right. Someone was late taking her some money
for her birthday round and they asked P & T what they'd got planned for her.
Sincerely, Chris
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Kate Lambert
In article <kU6QzLAr0$uzE...@phesk.demon.co.uk>, Peter Hesketh
<p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>I think it was Reese Heath. It is in Staffs. My aunt went there to
>learn horticulture before the war.
Well I'd never have guessed that from the way Pat Archer pronounces it!
My family all went to Writtle Agricultural College in Essex (except for
my aunt who went to Wye (why?)) so I beg forgiveness.
--
Kate Lambert
Mike Ellwood
Alexander James Foster (alex....@zetnet.co.uk) wrote:
: Not at all. I've just had (and passed, BTW [*]) my first year at
: college, and won't be 19 until August.
: [*] Missed 2:1 by 0.2%! Still, at least it doesn't count.
Ah, the precocity of youth.
But you were 18 last August then.
Young Helen wasn't 18 until this year (February, we
now learn). My daughter (18 in December) has only
just taken her A levels. When did Helen take her
A levels...?
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and every woman like Mae West".
Robin Fairbairns
In article <5q02j8$19...@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>,
Alexis Haines <alexis...@rl.ac.uk> wrote:
>I thought it was mentioned this week that Helen was trying to
>decide between doing a HND and working in the dairy? If so then
>I suspect the college Helen is at is sixth form type which would fit
>with Helen being 18 and the HND/dairy decision.
Yeah. I think we understand that now. It didn't sink in with me at
the time, I have to admit, but then, I live in an ivory tower.
>To all those inhabiting ivory towers - not all colleges are
>part of the University system ;-)
More importantly...
To all those inhabiting ivory towers --- please note that we can't
repair your lodgings, under the terms of CITES.
(Unless you're very small and can make do with nick-nacks made in
Japan)
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chris harrison
Alexis Haines wrote:
> I thought it was mentioned this week that Helen was trying to
> decide between doing a HND and working in the dairy? If so then
> I suspect the college Helen is at is sixth form type which would fit
> with Helen being 18 and the HND/dairy decision.
Can't you do an HND (or at least part one or whatever the preparatory
bit is called) earlier? Or does the GNVQ-NVQ-HND stream operate in
parallel to the GCSE-A-Degree agewise?
> To all those inhabiting ivory towers - not all colleges are
> part of the University system ;-)
Although many of them are trying to rectify that situation :-(
There is, of course, that rather unkind abbreviation, Have No Degree
....
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on my shoulders."
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Alexis Haines
>
>Can't you do an HND (or at least part one or whatever the preparatory
>bit is called) earlier? Or does the GNVQ-NVQ-HND stream operate in
>parallel to the GCSE-A-Degree agewise?
I *think* (no that is untrue ;) ) that A levels or
an HNC are a pre-req to a HND. Does anyone know?
>
>There is, of course, that rather unkind abbreviation, Have No Degree
>....
;-)
>
>--
>"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing
>on my shoulders."
> chris harrison.
> http://www.bogo.co.uk/lowfield/
Alexis
Charles F Hankel
Alexis Haines wrote:
>
> In article <33C49F8E...@doc.ic.ac.uk>, chris harrison <ca...@doc.ic.ac.uk> says:
>
> >
> >Can't you do an HND (or at least part one or whatever the preparatory
> >bit is called) earlier? Or does the GNVQ-NVQ-HND stream operate in
> >parallel to the GCSE-A-Degree agewise?
>
> I *think* (no that is untrue ;) ) that A levels or
> an HNC are a pre-req to a HND. Does anyone know?
They were. In today's ever changing world where standards have become a
moving target, who knows now?
> >
> >There is, of course, that rather unkind abbreviation, Have No Degree
It is a remark typical of the academic snob who lacks the understanding
of how HNDs were promoted in the early days. They were touted as degree
equivalent courses with emphasis on subjects that the UK ivory towers
thought irrelevant to life, such as Business Studies.
It's only very recently that they have all been climbing onto the MBA
bandwagon, and I'm sure that's only because it's a real revenue earner.
Thank heaven for a government that sought to make these institutions
more responsible for their own revenue instead of living the grand life
at the expense of the taxpayers, a group statistically poorly
represented in academe.
=====================================================
Thus writes the virtual quill pen of Charles F Hankel
Dat veniam corvis, vexat censura columbas - Juvenal
=====================================================
Brennig Jones
>Can't you do an HND (or at least part one or whatever the preparatory
>bit is called) earlier? Or does the GNVQ-NVQ-HND stream operate in
>parallel to the GCSE-A-Degree agewise?
> There is, of course, that rather unkind abbreviation, Have No Degree
>....
Yeah, and NVQ = Not Very Qualified, GNVQ = Generally, Not Very Qualified.
:-)
B.
David Goddard
Charles F Hankel writes in uk.media.radio.archers:
>> In article <33C49F8E...@doc.ic.ac.uk>, chris harrison <ca...@doc.ic.ac.uk> says:
..
>> >There is, of course, that rather unkind abbreviation, Have No Degree
>
>It is a remark typical of the academic snob who lacks the understanding
>of how HNDs were promoted in the early days. They were touted as degree
>equivalent courses with emphasis on subjects that the UK ivory towers
>thought irrelevant to life, such as Business Studies.
Personally, I regret the 'universityfication' (made up word) of the
country's HE done by the last government. Polytechnics offered a far
more practical education in many areas than uni's and rather than
studying academically oriented subjects in ivory towers, people could
have a far more useful education for Real Life. *sigh* ISTR that Polys
were originally intended to be the foundation of a highly educated and
employable population, but due to the perception of them as being in
some way second class, they were turned into second rate universities,
with no increase in resources to give them a chance.
>It's only very recently that they have all been climbing onto the MBA
>bandwagon, and I'm sure that's only because it's a real revenue earner.
>Thank heaven for a government that sought to make these institutions
>more responsible for their own revenue instead of living the grand life
>at the expense of the taxpayers, a group statistically poorly
>represented in academe.
This view is tripe, and I'm disappointed to hear it expressed on umra.
Anywhere else I would feel complelled to make unkind comments about chips.
The last government decided that there should be a massive explosion in
universities (inappropriate IMHO as there are other forms of education that
could do with expansion) but declined to pay for it. Students were
systematically screwed because of this. I don't know about you, but I would
far prefer a university system that discriminates on ability rather than on
parental wealth.
Dave
Harry Powell
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, David Goddard wrote:
> Personally, I regret the 'universityfication' (made up word) of the
> country's HE done by the last government. Polytechnics offered a far
> more practical education in many areas than uni's and rather than
> studying academically oriented subjects in ivory towers, people could
> have a far more useful education for Real Life. *sigh* ISTR that Polys
*snip*
> The last government decided that there should be a massive explosion in
> universities (inappropriate IMHO as there are other forms of education that
> could do with expansion) but declined to pay for it. Students were
> systematically screwed because of this. I don't know about you, but I would
> far prefer a university system that discriminates on ability rather than on
> parental wealth.
*snip*
My belief is that it was really part of a cost cutting exercise; Poly
funding came from the local authority, Uni from central government; once
they were all called unis, you could cut out loads of the burocracy
(sorry, I can't think how to spell it..) and cut spending, then start to
close down individual departments (because there would be too many) and
cut spending, then close down unis, and cut spending...
Harry (who studied at one Poly and worked at another and is proud of it)
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chris harrison
Charles F Hankel wrote:
> It is a remark typical of the academic snob who lacks the understanding
> of how HNDs were promoted in the early days. They were touted as degree
> equivalent courses with emphasis on subjects that the UK ivory towers
> thought irrelevant to life, such as Business Studies.
But if they were degree equivalent, then why not call them a degree? You
can get a science degree, an arts degree, an economics degree and all
manner of different flavours, all known by a different moniker and yet
all perceived similarly.
> It's only very recently that they have all been climbing onto the MBA
> bandwagon, and I'm sure that's only because it's a real revenue earner.
But an MBA is a different beast to business related first degree. The M
bit really is important as few, if any, business schools will allow an
MBA candidate to enrol without several years experience in the world
they're returning to the classroom to study.
> Thank heaven for a government that sought to make these institutions
> more responsible for their own revenue instead of living the grand life
> at the expense of the taxpayers, a group statistically poorly
> represented in academe.
I'd love to be paid enough by my masters to pay tax and therefore
dispell this little falsehood. Grand life? Yeah right. Expense of the
taxpayer? Of course.
Education is not just a personal thing, it does have a direct benefit
(obviously) to the recipient, but it's for the national good to have an
effective education system. It is not necessarily for the best if, under
the guise of saving exchequer money and seeking industrial funding,
you're effectively turning Universities into cut-price research and
development facilities for companies who realise that they can get first
class work at a fraction of the cost of running their own R&D divisions.
It also does no-one any good having two or three times as many
Universities, doleing out degrees of wildly varying quality to any old
Tom, Dick or Harriet. We're starting to go the way of the US where some
huge percentage of the high school population go on to college and where
the bachelors degree is being replaced by the masters as the
qualification for many jobs, because the realisation has started to dawn
that a degree is not what it used to be. Mind you, we've had this
educational standards debate before .....
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Brenda Selwyn
>m...@unixfe.cc.rl.ac.uk (Mike Ellwood) wrote:
>just taken her A levels. When did Helen take her
>A levels...?
She didn't. She left school after GCSEs like the majority of the UK
population.
Meanwhile, if Roy actually makes it to university (wake up, SWs) and,
even more amazingly, actually gets his degree, will he be the first
person born in Ambridge to do so?
Prediction: if Roy does go to Uni, he and Kate will have split up by
Easter.
Brenda
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David Goddard
Brenda Selwyn <bre...@matson.demon.co.uk> writes in uk.media.radio.archers:
>Prediction: if Roy does go to Uni, he and Kate will have split up by
>Easter.
So you don't think Roy's going to Uni would change their relationship
much then?
D
Brennig Jones
"Prediction: if Roy does go to Uni, he and Kate will have split up by
Easter."
Is this a common occurence? I bumped into someone yesterday I haven't
seen for a few months. She said that she and her long-term boyfriend
had split up - because she had decided to go to Aberystw. to study this year.
Or perhaps Roy will decide to go Aberystw. - and *then* he and
Kate'll split up.
Therefore the common denominator is not going to get yr first degree,
but going to Aberystw. to get it!
B
(don't mind me, I'm having a bad day)
Linda
In article <33CDF2...@luton.ac.uk>, Pauline Young
<paulin...@luton.ac.uk> writes
>so it would be a pleasant change to see
>someone with an academic degree in Ambridge.
I thought the efff woman did her time?
--
Linda
Chris
In article <5qksg9$e...@news.ox.ac.uk>, Robin Stevens
<URL:mailto:re...@astro.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> In uk.media.radio.archers did Pauline Young (paulin...@luton.ac.uk) decree:
>
> > > Meanwhile, if Roy actually makes it to university (wake up, SWs) and,
> > > even more amazingly, actually gets his degree, will he be the first
> > > person born in Ambridge to do so?
>
> > Cadbury's if he goes to Reading (very strong on agricultural subjects).
>
> If he goes to Reading and actually finishes his degree, Mike may well find
> himself attending Roy's degree ceremony!
>
Perhaps that's why none of them ever get/do degrees.
Chris
In article <33CE38...@luton.ac.uk>, Pauline Young
<URL:mailto:paulin...@luton.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Linda wrote:
>
> > >so it would be a pleasant change to see
> > >someone with an academic degree in Ambridge.
>
> > I thought the efff woman did her time?
>
> teach at the time. I have wondered since I sent the first message, if
> Ruth's degree from Harpur Adams counts as academic or vocational.
and David's too.
Kate Lambert
In article <199707171...@zetnet.co.uk>, Brennig Jones
<brenni...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>"Prediction: if Roy does go to Uni, he and Kate will have split up by
>Easter."
>
>Is this a common occurence? I bumped into someone yesterday I haven't
>seen for a few months. She said that she and her long-term boyfriend
>had split up - because she had decided to go to Aberystw. to study this year.
>
at home in Newcastle for almost all of her 4 year degree, which included
a year in Denmark, only to split up with him a week before finals. I
recall much ranting and raving about how many chances she'd wasted! - so
many men, so little time...
--
Kate Lambert
Mike McMillan
In article <Uix8OBAx...@phesk.demon.co.uk>, Peter Hesketh
<URL:mailto:p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Rosemary was not brought up by Nelson - she was adopted, and sought out
> her natural father while training to be a policeman.
>
> The Book doesn't actually say what Hazel Wooley was doing between the >
ages of 18 and 21, but it does say "By 21 she was living in London".
Perhaps that was the time during which S/He went for the sex change op!
Toodle Pip,
Mike
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
In article <slrnnotflam...@dmg.cc.ic.ac.uk>, David Goddard
<god...@acm.org> writes
[]
>Personally, I regret the 'universityfication' (made up word) of the
>country's HE done by the last government. Polytechnics offered a far
>more practical education in many areas than uni's and rather than
Agreed; I was most disappointed that not a single one (as far as I can
tell) proudly retained the name Polytechnic. I would have thought that
there might have been some kudos in being one of the few - or the only
one! - that did so, but AFAIK none at all did.
[]
>This view is tripe, and I'm disappointed to hear it expressed on umra.
>Anywhere else I would feel complelled to make unkind comments about chips.
(Agreed.)
[]
>could do with expansion) but declined to pay for it. Students were
>systematically screwed because of this. I don't know about you, but I would
>far prefer a university system that discriminates on ability rather than on
>parental wealth.
Certainly the latter discrimination is unwise; I, too, like the idea of
discrimination by ability (apply limited resources where there is most
chance of success), but then I would, having been fortunate enough to
have been deemed above average once or twice in the past; had I not
been, I might have a different view!
>
>Dave
>
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
In article <ant20203...@mikesounds.demon.co.uk>, Chris
<ch...@mikesounds.demon.co.uk> writes
[]
>Well, think my friends must have been different. To my certain knowledge a
[heartwarming tales snipped]
>Some of these marriages are well over 20 years, the first two may well be
>over 25, as I don't actually know their marriage dates, they were all going
>out together by the time they were about 15!
>
>Mind you, there are also quite a lot that didn't survive those early married
>lives - but this was the Swinging 60s.
I think things were different then (even in the sixties), compared to
now.
>
>Sincerely, Chris
chris harrison
Pauline Young wrote:
>
> chris harrison wrote:
> > > Which town has the most univerities now?
>
> > London I imagine. Apart from UL itself (which has half a dozen colleges,
> > of which IC is one, bigger than most universities, amongst it's couple
> > of dozen members), there's places like North London, East London,
> > Westminster, City, the London Business School, Guildhall, Kingston,
> > Thames Valley, Greenwich as well as other university level institutions
> > like the Royal School of Music, Royal College of Art, &c.
>
> OK. I forgot about London but ooooh - we are stretching the boundaries a
> bit! I don't think that TVU is even within the M25. The bit I visited
> was in Slough. On the other hand you missed out Middlesex so it is one
> all. :-)))
I was thinking of the bit of the TVU that was in Ealing, that bit which
used to the Ealing College of HE. Hardly a canonical list either, just
them's that came to mind in a few spare seconds ;-)
chris.
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chris harrison
Pauline Young wrote:
> Incidentally, how many universities does Liverpool have now? I knew
> about the original and the John Moores, but the other day I heard of
> Liverpool Hope. Which town has the most univerities now? Why doesn't my
> home county (Suffolk) have one at all?
London I imagine. Apart from UL itself (which has half a dozen colleges,
of which IC is one, bigger than most universities, amongst it's couple
of dozen members), there's places like North London, East London,
Westminster, City, the London Business School, Guildhall, Kingston,
Thames Valley, Greenwich as well as other university level institutions
like the Royal School of Music, Royal College of Art, &c.
Outside of London there are bucket loads with two, Edinburgh's got at
least three (Ed. Heriot-Watt and Napier) as has Glasgow (I think),
Manchester's got three too (Manch, Manch Met and UMIST). There are still
a few Colleges of HE too.
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Harry Powell
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Pauline Young wrote:
> Come on you Cambridge men!
> Didn't CCATS become Anglia Polytechnic University?
Yes, and a fine institution it was under both names*,**. Now, however,
they've decided to drop the "Polytechnic" bit due to snobbery against Polys.
(*It'll be just as good with the new name)
(**I've a very good friend who has the dual distinction of having studied at
both CCATS and Oxford Poly before they turned up their noses...)
Harry
Ashley Shaw
In article <33EED7...@luton.ac.uk>, Pauline Young
<paulin...@luton.ac.uk> writes
>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
>> Agreed; I was most disappointed that not a single one (as far as I can
>> tell) proudly retained the name Polytechnic. I would have thought that
>> there might have been some kudos in being one of the few - or the only
>> one! - that did so, but AFAIK none at all did.
>
>Didn't CCATS become Anglia Polytechnic University?
>
>about the original and the John Moores, but the other day I heard of
>Liverpool Hope. Which town has the most univerities now? Why doesn't my
>home county (Suffolk) have one at all?
>
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In article <k3$$iEAj8a...@amshaw.demon.co.uk>,
Ashley Shaw <ash...@amshaw.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>[stupid rubbish]
And to think we were all taking this bozo for a mere offensive farmer
in the brian mould.
Kill file for ashley, methinks...
Sarah Hill
In message <199708140...@zetnet.co.uk>
Brennig Jones <brenni...@zetnet.co.uk> writes:
> There's excerpts of a book being read in the mornings on R4 - written
> by an American who's lived in the UK for 20 years (sorry to be so
> vague, but I'm in my other office in Barf Guildhall, and don't have
> access to RT).....
Bill Bryson writer of "The Lost Contient" and other funny books,
including the one he's reading now called.....er....."Notes from a
small Island" I think.
> .... anyway, Tuesday he said that it's a British custom that when a
> Council opens a new Multi-story car park, the Lord and Lady Mayor
> have a ceremonial pee in the stairwell.
> Laughed til the tears ran down my legs.
Likewise, have been late for work and listen nearly driving into
things with laughing.
Regards,
Sarah
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Charles F Hankel
Pauline Young wrote:
>
> Incidentally, how many universities does Liverpool have now? I knew
> about the original and the John Moores, but the other day I heard of
> Liverpool Hope. Which town has the most univerities now? Why doesn't my
> home county (Suffolk) have one at all?
I suppose that I ought to answer this although my only authority is
residency in the locale. The University of Liverpool s the old
red-brick place, Liverpool John Moores is the old Liverpool Polytechnic,
and Liverpool Hope is the old RC teacher training college whose name
escapes me for the time being. Hope has some postgraduate courses under
the wing of the University of Liverpool, sort of an additional campus.
Owen S. Dunn
>
>they've decided to drop the "Polytechnic" bit due to snobbery against Polys.
And they always printed the `Polytechnic' _very_ small :-)
(S)
--
Owen `Stribethssonsson' Dunn
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~owend/ <ow...@greenend.org.uk>
`For the Millennium Project, the Government should have abolished
Oxford.' (Norman Stone)
Peter Hesketh
In article <5t1nfk$aek$1...@zen.hursley.ibm.com>, tony...@ibm.co.uk writes
>Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who started
>a degree at Ealing College,
There was a young lady from Ealing ...
Kind Regards
Peter Hesketh, Mynyddbach, Monmouthshire, UK
"I don't make predictions. I never have and I never will." - Tony Blair
tony...@ibm.co.uk
In <ant14163...@mikesounds.demon.co.uk>, Chris <Ch...@mikesounds.demon.co.uk> writes:
>In article <33EF2D...@luton.ac.uk>, Pauline Young
><URL:mailto:paulin...@luton.ac.uk> wrote:
>> chris harrison wrote:
>> > > Which town has the most univerities now?
>>
>> > of which IC is one, bigger than most universities, amongst it's couple
>> > of dozen members), there's places like North London, East London,
>> > Westminster, City, the London Business School, Guildhall, Kingston,
>> > Thames Valley, Greenwich as well as other university level institutions
>> > like the Royal School of Music, Royal College of Art, &c.
>>
>> bit! I don't think that TVU is even within the M25. The bit I visited
>> was in Slough. On the other hand you missed out Middlesex so it is one
>> all. :-)))
>>
>
>Sincerely, Chris
>
> --
>
>Mrs. Chris McMillan, Tel. 0118 926 5450.
>e-mail: Ch...@mikesounds.demon.co.uk
>
Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who started
a degree at Ealing College, continued it at West London Polytechnic and
graduated from Thames Valley University. Not bad for a three year course.
Tony Fry
Malcolm Nixon
>In article <5t1nfk$aek$1...@zen.hursley.ibm.com>, tony...@ibm.co.uk writes
>>Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who started
>>a degree at Ealing College,
>
>There was a young lady from Ealing ...
>
Who was really quite appealing...
( oh sorry - you were really asking for ......
--
Malcolm
Perthshire, Scotland
Mary Kemp
In article <eHRuHFAJNM9zEw$k...@phesk.demon.co.uk>, Peter Hesketh
<URL:mailto:p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In article <5t1nfk$aek$1...@zen.hursley.ibm.com>, tony...@ibm.co.uk writes
> >Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who started
> >a degree at Ealing College,
>
> There was a young lady from Ealing ...
Who hung by her toes from the ceiling...
--
Mary
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when replying, please take the mickey out of me.
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David Goddard
Robin Fairbairns <r...@cl.cam.ac.uk> writes in uk.media.radio.archers:
>Ashley Shaw <ash...@amshaw.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>[stupid rubbish]
>
>And to think we were all taking this bozo for a mere offensive farmer
>in the brian mould.
>
>Kill file for ashley, methinks...
Sad as it is, I have been thinking similar things myself. I initially
thought he was just doing a parody, but now he's either stretching the
joke a bit or he really *is* an offensive induhvidual.
D
--
David Goddard, Imperial College, London SW7, UK ~ god...@acm.org
I met a girl who was a Frog Princess ... how did I know that just one kiss,
would turn this frog into a cow? - "The Frog Princess", Divine Comedy
Mike McMillan
In article <eHRuHFAJNM9zEw$k...@phesk.demon.co.uk>, Peter Hesketh
<URL:mailto:p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5t1nfk$aek$1...@zen.hursley.ibm.com>, tony...@ibm.co.uk writes
> >Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who started
> >a degree at Ealing College,
>
> There was a young lady from Ealing ...
Back to you Peter...
Chris
In article <Simon-16089...@sudbury.demon.co.uk>, Simon Townley
<URL:mailto:Si...@sudbury.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant14163...@mikesounds.demon.co.uk>, Chris
> <Ch...@mikesounds.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <33EF2D...@luton.ac.uk>, Pauline Young
> > <URL:mailto:paulin...@luton.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > > OK. I forgot about London but ooooh - we are stretching the boundaries a
> > > bit! I don't think that TVU is even within the M25. The bit I visited
> > > was in Slough. On the other hand you missed out Middlesex so it is one
> > > all. :-)))
> > >
> > TVU is definitely in Slough.
>
> does London stop and elsewhere begin? Or else it's the other way around.
> Help! Half the South of England is in fact Slough!
>
Nope, Slough is officially part of Berkshire, though they'd still far rather
be part of Buckinghamshire I'm sure, they've had to change their schools
policy to fit in with Berkshire for a start.
chris harrison
Simon Townley wrote:
> And Slough is in London. Isn't it? If it isn't, where's the gap? Where
> does London stop and elsewhere begin? Or else it's the other way around.
> Help! Half the South of England is in fact Slough!
Or you could just x-post to uk.local.london and join in a ridiculous
thread asking just this question, or rather, just one of these questions
("where is London?"). I've a sneaking feeling that Simon's contribution
was a mite more informative and interesting than the pages written by
some, contrasting the relative merits of London boroughs, the M25,
0171/0181, post-codes, old county boundaries, the Met police's boundary,
London transport's zone 6 .....
Shurely Slough isn't one of those places that's in anywhere, isn't a
process of elimination as to where _hasn't_ got it?
--
"This has GOT to be a nine-point-oh on my weird-shit-o-meter." - Agent J
chris harrison.
http://www.bogo.co.uk/lowfield/
Simon Pride
On 18 Aug 1997 14:25:22 GMT r...@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) wrote:
>In article <33F811...@doc.ic.ac.uk>,
>chris harrison <ca...@doc.ic.ac.uk> wrote:
>>Mary Kemp wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <eHRuHFAJNM9zEw$k...@phesk.demon.co.uk>, Peter Hesketh
>>> <URL:mailto:p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > In article <5t1nfk$aek$1...@zen.hursley.ibm.com>, tony...@ibm.co.uk writes
>>> > >Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who started
>>> > >a degree at Ealing College,
>>> >
>>> > There was a young lady from Ealing ...
>>>
>>> Who hung by her toes from the ceiling...
>>
>>The blood rushed to her head ...
>
>And her friend Tony said ...
"I bet that's an unpleasant feeling"
Simon Pride, Technical User Services
University of Cambridge Computing Service
Harry Powell
On 18 Aug 1997, Robin Fairbairns wrote:
> In article <5t22je$pkp$1...@tacitus.greenend.org.uk>,
> Owen S. Dunn <osd...@tacitus.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >Harry Powell <hrp...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Pauline Young wrote:
> >>> Didn't CCATS become Anglia Polytechnic University?
> >>
> >>Yes, and a fine institution it was under both names*,**. Now, however,
> >>they've decided to drop the "Polytechnic" bit due to snobbery against Polys.
>
> I see no evidence that they have. Where did you learn this from,
> Harry?
>
I came across it during the course of careful research, in a reputable
referreed journal.
Oh all right. It was in one of the local free papers a few weeks back.
Robin Fairbairns
In article <33f9709a...@nntp-serv.cam.ac.uk>,
Ai thank you. I couldn't get beyond "I can see right up your nose".
Robin Fairbairns
In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.97081...@bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk>,>> I see no evidence that [APU] have [dropped the P]. Where did you
>> learn this from, Harry?
>
>I came across it during the course of careful research, in a reputable
>referreed journal.
>
>Oh all right. It was in one of the local free papers a few weeks back.
Ah. They discriminate against me: they only occasionally bother
(either of them) to get themselves delivered to my flat. Since they
say they cost some ridiculous amount (where sold) I've bothered with
them even less since I moved to my flat than ever I did before.
Which is to say, I didn't read that item, but it's quite likely not my
fault.
George Middleton
Robin Fairbairns wrote on Mon, 18 Aug 1997:
>>> > There was a young lady from Ealing ...
>>>
>>> Who hung by her toes from the ceiling...
>>
>>The blood rushed to her head ...
>
>And her friend Tony said ...
"She blushes for what she's revealing."
--
George
chris harrison
Mary Kemp wrote:
>
> In article <eHRuHFAJNM9zEw$k...@phesk.demon.co.uk>, Peter Hesketh
> <URL:mailto:p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > In article <5t1nfk$aek$1...@zen.hursley.ibm.com>, tony...@ibm.co.uk writes
> > >Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who started
> > >a degree at Ealing College,
> >
>
> Who hung by her toes from the ceiling...
The blood rushed to her head ...
--
Robin Fairbairns
In article <5t22je$pkp$1...@tacitus.greenend.org.uk>,
Owen S. Dunn <osd...@tacitus.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Pauline Young wrote:
>>> Didn't CCATS become Anglia Polytechnic University?
>>
>>Yes, and a fine institution it was under both names*,**. Now, however,
>>they've decided to drop the "Polytechnic" bit due to snobbery against Polys.
I see no evidence that they have. Where did you learn this from,
Harry?
The ostensible reason for keeping "Polytechnic" in the name was to
distinguish the place from UEA. Since it has sites in Chelmsford and
Norwich as well as Cambridge (and for all I know other places) it
couldn't very well be called Cambridge East Road University (or
anything equally silly, like Cambridge Brooks or whatever ;-).
>And they always printed the `Polytechnic' _very_ small :-)
Eh?
I'm inclined to think there's a bit of the application of the urban
legend going on here. The people who run APU may be bozos, for all I
know, but they've definitely been provoked: it was the government's
daft idea to convert all the polys to universities, not the polys'
idea.
(Note, I used to live in a house that had regular mail from APU, on
the grounds that my ex was doing a course there.)
David Goddard
chris harrison <ca...@doc.ic.ac.uk> writes in uk.media.radio.archers:
>Or you could just x-post to uk.local.london and join in a ridiculous
>thread asking just this question, or rather, just one of these questions
>("where is London?"). I've a sneaking feeling that Simon's contribution
>was a mite more informative and interesting than the pages written by
>some, contrasting the relative merits of London boroughs, the M25,
>0171/0181, post-codes, old county boundaries, the Met police's boundary,
>London transport's zone 6 .....
Ah, and I was just starting to wonder if I was missing anything by not
reading that thread. My mind is now at rest :-)
Dave
--
David Goddard, Imperial College, London SW7, UK ~ god...@acm.org
"A cynic is just a realist who hasn't been proven right - yet" - Dave Sim
Chris J Dixon
chris harrison wrote:
>Mary Kemp wrote:
>>
>> In article <eHRuHFAJNM9zEw$k...@phesk.demon.co.uk>, Peter Hesketh
>> <URL:mailto:p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <5t1nfk$aek$1...@zen.hursley.ibm.com>, tony...@ibm.co.uk writes
>> > >Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who started
>> > >a degree at Ealing College,
>> >
>> > There was a young lady from Ealing ...
>>
>> Who hung by her toes from the ceiling...
>
>The blood rushed to her head ...
And a bystander said ...
Chris
--
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chris...@easynet.co.uk
Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.
Karen
In article <33f99ab6...@news.easynet.co.uk>, Chris J Dixon
<chris...@easynet.co.uk> writes
>chris harrison wrote:
>
>>Mary Kemp wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <eHRuHFAJNM9zEw$k...@phesk.demon.co.uk>, Peter Hesketh
>>> <URL:mailto:p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > In article <5t1nfk$aek$1...@zen.hursley.ibm.com>, tony...@ibm.co.uk writes
>>> > >Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who
>started
>>> > >a degree at Ealing College,
>>> >
>>> > There was a young lady from Ealing ...
>>>
>>> Who hung by her toes from the ceiling...
>>
>>The blood rushed to her head ...
>
>And a bystander said ...
>
--
Karen
(from home in Lurkia)
Paul Herber
>Nope, Slough is officially part of Berkshire, though they'd still far rather
>be part of Buckinghamshire I'm sure, they've had to change their schools
>policy to fit in with Berkshire for a start.
>
This evening even La Snell thinks that Slough is in some county called
Despondency.
--
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http://www.pherber.com
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Robin Fairbairns
In article <YsTMDAAEU39zEwt$@geodeonssppaamm.demon.co.uk>,
Charles Norrie <Cha...@geodeon.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I
You what?
>>And Slough is in London. Isn't it? If it isn't, where's the gap? Where
>>does London stop and elsewhere begin? Or else it's the other way around.
>>Help! Half the South of England is in fact Slough
>
>To be utterly pedantic and boring, if you accept that the definition of
>thr Home Counties is those counties adjacent to London, it isn't even
>there, for Surrey meets Bucks at Poyle, and Slough is in Berks.
Not boring at all. I believe you're the first person who's ever
deigned to define the phrase `home counties' for me.
I have to say _I_ wouldn't want a home in Slough, but I don't think
it's terribly much worse than a lot of places -- it just came earlier
to it (did it get bombed or something?)
Chris
In article <5tbueb$bah$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Robin Fairbairns
<URL:mailto:r...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> In article <YsTMDAAEU39zEwt$@geodeonssppaamm.demon.co.uk>,
> Charles Norrie <Cha...@geodeon.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >I
>
> You what?
>
> >>And Slough is in London. Isn't it? If it isn't, where's the gap? Where
> >>does London stop and elsewhere begin? Or else it's the other way around.
> >>Help! Half the South of England is in fact Slough
> >
> >To be utterly pedantic and boring, if you accept that the definition of
> >thr Home Counties is those counties adjacent to London, it isn't even
> >there, for Surrey meets Bucks at Poyle, and Slough is in Berks.
>
> Not boring at all. I believe you're the first person who's ever
> deigned to define the phrase `home counties' for me.
I won't suggest you look in Deja News cos I can't remember the title of the
thread, but a few weeks ago I posted a so called definitive list of the Home
Counties as got from an article on R2, given out by the author of a book of
such wonderful facts regarding county boundaries, old and new, home counties
etc.
Nick Meredith
chris harrison <ca...@doc.ic.ac.uk> wrote:
>Mary Kemp wrote:
>> In article <eHRuHFAJNM9zEw$k...@phesk.demon.co.uk>, Peter Hesketh
>> <URL:mailto:p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> > In article <5t1nfk$aek$1...@zen.hursley.ibm.com>, tony...@ibm.co.uk writes
>> > >Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who started
>> > >a degree at Ealing College,
>> >
>> > There was a young lady from Ealing ...
>> Who hung by her toes from the ceiling...
>The blood rushed to her head ...
As she fell to her bed...
--
Cheers
Nick Meredith - ni...@discover.co.uk - Coventry
Sarah Hill
In message <33f86cba....@news.discover.co.uk>
ni...@discover.co.uk (Nick Meredith) writes:
It all became very revealing....
(Wonder stuff this Sctoch whiskey)
BTW, you'll be pleased to know the T-shirt stuff was done before
drinking this - and a very nice spreadsheet it makes too! (the
T-shirts, not the drink..... think I'd better go to bed now, before I
break something....)
Mike McMillan
In article <33f86cba....@news.discover.co.uk>, Nick Meredith
<URL:mailto:ni...@discover.co.uk> wrote:
> chris harrison <ca...@doc.ic.ac.uk> wrote:
> >Mary Kemp wrote:
> >> In article <eHRuHFAJNM9zEw$k...@phesk.demon.co.uk>, Peter Hesketh
> >> <URL:mailto:p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > In article <5t1nfk$aek$1...@zen.hursley.ibm.com>, tony...@ibm.co.uk writes
>
> >> > >Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who started
> >> > >a degree at Ealing College,
> >> >
> >> > There was a young lady from Ealing ...
> >> Who hung by her toes from the ceiling...
> >The blood rushed to her head ...
> As she fell to her bed...
Where she found a young man, knealing
Boom Boom!
Owen S. Dunn
Robin Fairbairns <r...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>Owen S. Dunn <osd...@tacitus.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> And they always printed the `Polytechnic' _very_ small :-)
>
>Eh?
ISTR at least one of their logos having the words Anglia and
University writ large, with `Polytechnic' squashed up in one corner in
italics. I could be completely wrong, of course...
> I'm inclined to think there's a bit of the application of the urban
> legend going on here. The people who run APU may be bozos, for all
> I know, but they've definitely been provoked: it was the
> government's daft idea to convert all the polys to universities, not
> the polys' idea.
What was the difference between the two anyway, other than that some
people sneered at polys and not at universities?
Owen S. Dunn
It was written:
>>>> > There was a young lady from Ealing ...
>>>> Who hung by her toes from the ceiling...
>>>The blood rushed to her head ...
>>And her friend Tony said ...
>"I bet that's an unpleasant feeling"
D'you know, that's the _first_ limerick I've seen on USENET that
actually works? (Thus breaking my Second Law of USENET: Limericks on
USENET aren't...)
Harry Powell
On 21 Aug 1997, Owen S. Dunn wrote:
> What was the difference between the two anyway, other than that some
> people sneered at polys and not at universities?
Originally, there were at least two main differences; the funding for the
Polys came from local authorities rather than central government, and
Polys didn't award their "own" degrees (they were (usually) awarded by the
CNAA, or sometimes (in earlier days (vide infra)) by Universities.).
Also, the Polys tended to have been Technical Colleges in former
incarnations, though I don't think this was true in all cases.
Charles F Hankel
Mike McMillan wrote:
>
> In article <33f86cba....@news.discover.co.uk>, Nick Meredith
> <URL:mailto:ni...@discover.co.uk> wrote:
> > chris harrison <ca...@doc.ic.ac.uk> wrote:
> > >Mary Kemp wrote:
> > >> In article <eHRuHFAJNM9zEw$k...@phesk.demon.co.uk>, Peter Hesketh
> > >> <URL:mailto:p...@phesk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> > In article <5t1nfk$aek$1...@zen.hursley.ibm.com>, tony...@ibm.co.uk writes
> >
> > >> > >Some of it's in Ealing. I enjoyed a relationship with a young lady who started
> > >> > >a degree at Ealing College,
> > >> >
> > >> Who hung by her toes from the ceiling...
> > >The blood rushed to her head ...
>
> Where she found a young man, knealing
I'm sure these aren't the words that I used to sing before I decided to
shut up rather than become "politically correct" (and sober...
occasionally)
=====================================================
Thus writes the virtual quill pen of Charles F Hankel
Dat veniam corvis, vexat censura columbas - Juvenal
=====================================================
Mary Kemp
In article <19970827....@jross.demon.co.uk>, John Ross
<URL:mailto:jo...@jross.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Owen S. Dunn wrote <5thsuh$hgm$1...@tacitus.greenend.org.uk>:
<snip
> > D'you know, that's the _first_ limerick I've seen on USENET that
> > actually works?
>
> Now see here Owen S Dunn
> I've made efforts from month to mon
> 'th to provide verses lyrical
> Sometimes limeritical
> Please get your reading specs on.
>
> And just wait till that Kemp named Mary
> Hears about such views contrary
> She'll inflate her glove
> With suggestions to shove ...
> But no, that's too alimentary!
Heavens above, JR! I think you just proved* Owen's point.
<solicitously> Have you remembered to wear your hat during the recent hot
spell?
*No, I don't mean in the sense of 'tested': in the sense of 'tried and
confirmed'.
--
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NB. Anti-spam strategy.
Please take the mickey out of me when replying
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Chris
In article <19970827....@jross.demon.co.uk>, John Ross
<URL:mailto:jo...@jross.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Owen S. Dunn wrote <5thsuh$hgm$1...@tacitus.greenend.org.uk>:
>
> And just wait till that Kemp named Mary
> Hears about such views contrary
> She'll inflate her glove
> With suggestions to shove ...
> But no, that's too alimentary!
Big grins from me. I just do not have the gift.