The 0.1~1% hollow moon / Brad Guth

[Brad Guth]

Since I received nothing but the usual topic/author stalking grief and
avoidance about our potentially hollow moon (natural as well as TBM
hollowed out), I’ve revised this topic from original “The 1~10% hollow
moon” as to offering “The 0.1~1% hollow moon”. Not that it really
matters all that much, because the mainstream of our insider status-
quo still isn’t buying into any of it, nor allowing mainstream media
or even K12s to pick up on any notions of such.

Within or especially under that tough shell of our moon is where life
even as we know it could with some applied technology manage to
survive, as well as manage to contribute to terrestrial matters of
providing exotic minerals or rare elements and perhaps lots more. At
0.1% hollow (as within geode pockets, cavernous layers or easily
enough TBM excavated to suit), there’s certainly no shortage of
worthy habitat volume, and thereby maintaining of atmospheric pressure
simply can’t be an insurmountable problem.

With near zero gravity near or within the offset core of our extremely
unusual moon, and otherwise perfectly good odds that the surrounding
substance outside of that solid core being of a relatively low density
and/or semi-hollow geology (poorly compacted or naturally porous)
that's sandwiched between the offset core and the otherwise extremely
dense, thick and mineral saturated basalt crust, as such is what
drives my continuing interpretation that our Selene/moon, as
supposedly formed quickly within a vacuum, is perhaps quite usability
hollow enough to begin with.

Even if this hollow or easily excavated under-crust potential were
limited as to offering a minimal volume of 0.1%, as such this kind of
nicely crust protected volume would represent a terrific off-world
outpost and otherwise failsafe kind of habitat that’s existing as is.
(0.1% of 2.2e19 m3 is worth 2.2e16 m3, and that’s hardly
insignificant, as representing 3.14e6 m3 for each and every man, woman
and child would make for a pretty nifty interstellar spacecraft, or
call it our lifeboat in case our Earth gets nailed by another really
big one)

The unusually mineral saturated and otherwise paramagnetic and mascon
populated basalt crust itself could also offer a few existing passages
and/or geode like pockets, as deep and volumetric enough to safely
utilize as is. In fact, it might be extremely odd if such natural
voids didn’t exist. Most of those larger lunar craters are unusually
shallow (as little as 1% of their diameter), almost as though that
original surface prior to impact as having a thick layer of protective
ice. Of somewhat newer and much smaller diameter craters offer
bedrock impressions or morph depths of <10%, with only a few
exceptions that suggest diameter/depth ratios of 2:1. However, one of
the most recent LRO discovered craters or possibly an old geothermal
vent that’s kind of small is also suggesting as offering a much
greater depth than its diameter (in other words a significant vertical
hole or cave like formation of a crust opening into a hollow rill or
lava tube).

If there’s anything capable of holding a given molecule of h2o
together, it’s those strong electrostatic, paramagnetic plus all the
usual atomic and subatomic strong binding forces, plus whatever
subsequent worth of good old pressure or even that of aether that
doesn’t necessarily involve or require gravity (although naked aether
pressure simply can’t coexist w/o molecular gravity or vise versa,
whereas artificial pressure or vacuum can only coexist if there’s a
viable shell or artificial energy field of some kind). The extremely
thick (50<150 km) and robust basalt crust that’s fused solid and so
mineral saturated as paramagnetic about our physically dark Selene/
moon, offers an absolutely terrific shell that isn’t easily penetrated
(not even by helium).

Of water exposed at the environment of 3e-21 bar (the near ideal
vacuum as found at Selene L1) pretty much along with ample sunlight
and secondary IR happens instantly as to demolecularization or
subliming itself into something less than atoms of hydrogen and
oxygen, and that’s going to be pretty much instantaneous or even
explosive regardless of its volume and original mass. Therefore, the
extremely weak Newtonian force of gravity or whatever molecular
binding force isn’t necessarily worth all that much when the water or
whatever fluid elements represent a zero delta-V and especially as
being so easily lost to that 300+ km/sec of hot solar wind whenever
such molecules are situated within that extreme EML1 vacuum.

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The 0.1~1% hollow moon / Brad Guth

[Hägar]

"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Since I received nothing but the usual topic/author stalking grief and
avoidance about our potentially hollow moon (natural as well as TBM
hollowed out), I’ve revised this topic from original “The 1~10% hollow
moon” as to offering “The 0.1~1% hollow moon”. Not that it really
matters all that much, because the mainstream of our insider status-
quo still isn’t buying into any of it, nor allowing mainstream media
or even K12s to pick up on any notions of such.

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Still a babbling idiot, ain't cha ....
The fact that the Moon, created from a collision between a Mars sized object
with the early Earth at an oblique angle (in the game of pool called
"English"), didn't have much of a heavy metal core to begin with and it
cooled much faster than the Earth, from which it originated. The outside
solidified, but the interior took a bit longer to cool, hence cracks formed
in the interior. But neither you nor science has an accurate accounting of
how wide, deep or how long these cracks or fissures really are, or even if
they were the source of the mysterious "ringing" that was detected on the
Moon.
So stop bothering us with your crapola 1% hollow Moon bullshit, because
you're just pulling it out of your sorry ass and it is beginning to stink up
this NG. We'd much rather listen to your tales of structures on Venus.

[Brad Guth]

On Nov 3, 9:46 am, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Are you still suggesting that our trusty moon couldn't possibly be or
ever become 0.1% empty?

A 1% hollow moon (natural plus TBM carved out) gives each and every
man, woman and child on Earth a volume of 3.14e7 m3 to play with. Are
you suggesting that non-rednecks and especially of those less than
white skinned Zionists/Semites would simply not know what to do with
such a nicely protected volume?

Are you suggesting there'd be nothing of any value in those TBM
spoils?

[Brad Guth]

My theory of a semi hollow or rather geologically porous mantel within
our moon offering a density of something near 80% that of the
paramagnetic basalt surface density of 3.5 g/cm3, should fit within
the gravity and those seismic ringing profiles as thus far obtained
via our NASA/Apollo era plus the ongoing LRO and GRAIL attempting to
gather a better resolution look-see at its surface mascons and
interior. The small iron or added mix of thorium and uranium as a
core mass with a center offset of perhaps as great as 25% is just my
wishful thinking, that’s every bit as subjectively correct as anything
our NASA/Apollo era of expertise has to say, not that the core offset
or that of its relatively small mass really matters all that much in
terms of our utilizing the highly protective interior of our moon.

With dozens of deployed TBMs as hard at work and their backside spoils
removed for their mineral extraction processing would certainly take
full advantage of this lower density mantel and its porous transition
at the paramagnetic basalt crust that’s extremely thick and in places
potentially hard as diamond or carbonado. This kind of high density
basalt crust would certainly help account for the majority of the
shallow primary craters and those numerous craters within craters that
exist.

At least thus far, a half century worth of robotic and remotely
exploring our moon hasn’t told us what’s inside or much less of
exactly how that moon came to be. This gives the rest of us a window
of independently and deductively interpreting the best available
science in order to suit our own theories.

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Exploiting our moon or any nearby planet as for anything that could
possibly benefit the greater good of our planet, is not going to
happen anytime soon.

As long as there’s another spendy tonne of hydrocarbons to exploit,
extract, process and sell to the highest bidder, no matters how
terrestrial tricky, environmentally risky, conniving or bloody from
proxy wars and stimulated civil unrest imposed upon those with any
cheaper alternatives, it will remain as our only viable option for
solid, liquid and gaseous fuels, and once again all of the more
renewable and even thorium or whatever off-world options will not be
taken seriously unless they can be artificially made to be at least as
spendy and/or more problematic than terrestrial hydrocarbons.

The good news is that we have at least another couple spendy and
somewhat bloody centuries to go before only the Oligarchs and
Rothschilds can afford such terrestrial fuels, whereas by then most
all liquid and gaseous forms of hydrocarbons will be extracted from
extensive fracking and those thousands of ten mile long and deep wells
that’ll make the wholesale spot-market cost per barrel or per unit of
energy equivalency worth more than $1000. Of course by then serious
blowouts will happen most every month, and a Happy Meal of mystery
protein is going to cost at least $100, as well as most everything
else well have become relatively spendy and high tech as all get out,
so by 2212 we might not even notice the ongoing sting of $100/gallon
we are paying at the pump.

However, if we had even the remote prospects of off-world
exploitations as to look forward to, this would at least give some of
us hope that in the near future of generations to come would have a
fighting chance without their having the karma of proxy wars and a
very unhappy mother nature of super-storms and those 9+ seismic
tectonics to contend with at the same time.

With a hundred teratonnes worth of water vapor (less than 2% of
atmospheric mass) that has to continually recycle, along with the
above sea level surface hosting a reduced volume of glacial ice and
compacted snow that has been aggressively melting more than getting
annually contributed to, is a wonder that more of our overpopulated
world with its poorly conceived infrastructure for accommodating its
pathetic lot of humanity that is so often naïve, contentious and
caught unprepared, is not a whole lot more at risk with their land
becoming unsuitable, such as having been eroded past the point of no
return so that the required recourses to stabilize and utilize such
dry land far exceeds the local geophysical and biodiversity capability
of what our tenuous dry land that is only slightly (6.6 foot in the
case of New York) above average sea level that’s clearly rising and
thereby can not possibly sustain us without costly and lethal
consequences that obviously can not be so easily avoided as the oceans
rise and global weather gets more extreme.

The other good news, as Greenland thaws and its mostly bare bedrock
surface with little if any topsoil emerges from under that heavy cap
of glacial ice, as even the crust gets uplifted due to the upper
lithosphere buoyancy and considerable reduction in ice mass, at least
eventually there will become those enormous fresh water lakes
surrounded by a mostly basalt and granite bedrock terrain that will
likely continue as to hosting an ample amount of ice and snow covered
above their seasonal snow-line or the new and improved glacial
elevation, whereas this and one other mostly frozen area of Earth will
become our future Edens of improved safety and sanctuary for humanity,
even though most of the global ecosystem is out of whack and its
greatly diminished biodiversity being at risk of extinction due to the
ongoing GW, AGW, pollution and over farming of just about everything.

However, if we can’t even manage to construct our homes with a basic
foundation and having whatever structure compressed onto its
foundation with essentially long steel bars and through-bolting so as
to hold these buildings as rigid onto their substantial foundations,
plus at ground level or below as having the basic pumps required in
order to safely utilize such easily flooded space, is why this kind of
wind and storm-surge damage along with loss of most all the
surrounding community infrastructure is inevitable. In other words,
demonstrating yet another waste of lives, time and resources that
should have been better spent by our parents and grandparents, instead
of procrastinated and passed along to the next generations that’ll
have even fewer options.

Since most everything of modern humanity demands a great deal of
applied energy (especially of typical recycling efforts that must
collect, sort, process, retransport and involve multiple agents),
seems to beg the question as to why better, cleaner and more failsafe
forms of affordable energy have not been developed when the technology
and expertise for such as existed for decades. According to William
Mook (ala Mokenergy) even medium or low grade coal can be efficiently
converted into a very high grade of liquid synfuels using essentially
renewable hydrogen made via solar and wind energy, with the secondary
byproduct of pure oxygen and otherwise spare electrons and even
distilled fresh water with its salts removed can be offered as yet
another secondary byproduct. This is not to say that any form of such
clean and renewable energy is ever going to be 100% clean or perfectly
failsafe, nor so easily produced that it would not be metered or
otherwise resold at a fair market price above its net production and
distribution cost.

Replacing our Steven Chu with a true Energy Czar w/balls might seem
necessary, even though his focus upon residence and appliance
efficiency along with his geothermal alternatives is at least a valid
option that’s within our technical expertise, although actually
proceeding with any effective plan is not on any foreseeable horizon
of offering us affordably clean energy any time soon, and not many can
afford paying half again as much for their homes and transportation.
So, there’s no actual shortage of good and spendy options, however
within this century we’re pretty much stuck with mass consuming
hydrocarbons and suffering the consequences, as well as having to pay
whatever the insider trading and easily manipulated markets can bare.

Perhaps this is why off-world exploitations as for mining for those
rare elements that could supplement our terrestrial needs and provide
a logical migration and continued expansion of humanity, as to living
upon or within other worlds and moons, is not going to take root
anytime soon.

The extremely nearby planet Venus may be considered as too hellish and
downright nasty for the closed mindset types that only adhere to
whatever their NASA and insiders associates have to say. However, the
only true motives keeping us grounded by not going off-world, is that
of our socially approved disparity with its greed and hoarding that
the rich and powerful along with their army of brown-nosed minions
think is perfectly fine and dandy as is, although the more unregulated
the better.

With additional global inflation, as well as little if any regard
towards protecting or salvaging our environment, whereas this method
of making do with our terrestrial resources will directly and
indirectly cause a greater percentage of humanity to perish and
thereby manage global population via the social disparity of
increasing strife, suffering and all sorts of premature deaths that
can be blamed on any number of natural and artificial matters, that
the rich and powerful can usually remain innocent and even manage to
benefit without fear of their being accused of wrong doings.

Of course the general public and especially of those privately
investing in what this world is most running itself out of, is also
offering us a reasonably failsafe investment bet, that governments and
their citizens will continually demand more and naturally expect to
always benefit from their investments. This works fine and dandy
until peak whatever is causing us more grief (such as the karma of
9/11) than good, or the environment is tanked due to sloppy
considerations that could have otherwise prevented most of the
artificial thawing, pollution and erosions taking place.

On the other hand, of having surpluses and other more affordable
energy options is what makes life worth living for the lower 99.9% of
us w/o those Oligarch benefits. This of course is a highly disruptive
interpretation as to what the upper 0.1% think is any good idea.
Therefore, going off-world for anything of constructive value and
future benefit is not going to happen anytime soon, unless brought
about by yet another proxy war.

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My theory of a semi-hollow or rather geologically porous upper mantel
within our moon, as offering a density of something near 85 or
possibly 80% that of the paramagnetic basalt crust and surface bedrock

density of 3.5 g/cm3, should fit within the gravity and those seismic
ringing profiles as thus far obtained via our NASA/Apollo era plus the
ongoing LRO and GRAIL attempting to gather a better resolution look-

see at its surface mascons and interior. The small iron plus added
mix of thorium and uranium as a relatively small core mass with a

center offset of perhaps as great as 25% is just my wishful thinking,
that’s every bit as subjectively correct as anything our NASA/Apollo

era of expertise has ever had to say, not that the core offset or that

of its relatively small mass really matters all that much in terms of
our utilizing the highly protective interior of our moon.

Some of the deepest drillings within Earth has proven to be that of
encountering an inverse density, so it’s not all that unlikely or
improbable for the moon at considerably less gravity to offer an
inverted density gradient, or at least that of a porous transition
layer between the crust and mantel to work with, and it’s unlikely the
upper mantel of our moon is still too hot for our TBMs to deal with.

With dozens of deployed TBMs as hard at work and their considerable
spoils removed for mineral extraction processing, would certainly take

full advantage of this lower density mantel and its porous transition

at the paramagnetic basalt crust of 48+ km thickness that’s extremely
robust and in places potentially hard as diamond or carbonado. This
kind of high density and paramagnetic basalt crust would certainly
help account for the vast majority of those shallow primary craters
and those numerous other shallow craters within craters that exist
upon a crust that got frozen or solidified in a relatively short
period of time before all the heavy elements could migrate or sink to
the core of such a newish planetoid that was still fluid inside and
perking along (creating and venting helium plus a few other gasses),
long after that crust was sufficiently formed, creating a complex 3D
labyrinth of porosity as a transition between the outer basalt and its
still hot mantel interior that could commercially supply ample
terawatts of geothermal energy for millions of years (especially if
the thorium and uranium portions of the core and mantel isn’t spent).

At least thus far, a half century worth of robotic and remotely
exploring our moon hasn’t told us what’s inside or much less of
exactly how that moon came to be. This gives the rest of us a window
of independently and deductively interpreting the best available

science in order to suit our own theories, such as the captured
planetoid theory of an icy orb lithobraking into our icy planet at a
shallow glancing blow angle, rather than a full penetration encounter
that managed to spit out sufficient mass at escape velocity in order
to form and stabilize as our moon.

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Of course our moon isn't just nicely 0.1% hollowed out for us as is,
because that's not how random rock porosity happens to form, and
otherwise liquids of brines and possibly even hydrocarbons will have
to get removed before we can move ourselves into those deep
underground voids.

As for going after off-world resources; it is kind of a win-win, even
when the product or element rich spoils from TBM mining are a lot more
spendy than terrestrial sources. Of course to understand any of this
you would have to be educated instead of indoctrinated in order to
appreciate the true all-inclusive cost of what local mining,
excavations, transporting, processing and it’s draw upon any number of
other terrestrial resources, as damaging to our ecosystem and its
complex biodiversity that’s continually put at risk of extinction, not
to mention the erosion or sinkhole issues plus loss in human lives
because of the relatively low-tech methods utilized simply do not
value human life unless it relates to saving their own corporate
butts.

Secondly, is try to imagine how much further intellectually and
scientifically and/or technologically advanced any similar evolved
planet to that of Earth would be, if it were not for all the faith-
based bigotry and their ongoing arrogance of their unpoliced Oligarch
political puppets and FUD-masters in governments that keep doing their
usual mainstream skulduggery and putting us into proxy wars in order
to suit the needs and desires of the upper 0.1%, as protected insiders
with benefits.

Of course our mainstream gauntlet of brown-nosed clowns and FUD-
masters are not going to buy into any of this, nor allow others of the
lower 99.9% caste to even ponder through the possibilities of what off-
world resources can do for us, much less regard any of their
skulduggery or proxy wars as having been the least bit unnecessary.

Science from all ages and for the greater good needs to apply the best
available talent and public-funded resources, of which if such were
diverted for various insider orchestrated skulduggery and proxy wars
that most often directly and indirectly benefit the rich and powerful
that are seldom if ever elected by any republic, is why advancements
in science and the subsequent public benefit simply doesn’t happen
until all other options are exhausted and usually at the highest
possible market price.

When public-funded science is diverted and/or revised for personal or
faith-based reasons, in order to exclude or obfuscate as to whatever
could be problematic for the church or those of its Oligarch mafia
that essentially tell government what they can or can not do
(regardless of whomever we elect or appoint), is when the discoveries
and science interpretations by outsiders from the lower 99.9% are
systematically banished or having been topic/author stalked and
trashed to the fullest extent, and they do this because they are so
very afraid of what the lower 99.9% of us might do next.

This topic about off-world metallicity is simply offering a method of
telling a story about the current events and future of depleted
terrestrial resources (including the substantial ongoing loss helium)
that’ll have to be supplemented by means other than what our
terrestrial resources can affordably provide. Of course with
unlimited global inflation making everything a whole lot more spendy,
complex and even bloody to obtain, should hold us out for another
couple centuries if the world population and modernization continues
on the autodestruct path of mass consumption that it’s on.

In the cosmic evolution of main-sequence stars converting their
hydrogen and helium into other heavier elements, and some of those
heavy elements in turn creating helium that for most of the Earth like
planets offering not more than 2 gee and of smaller or lower density
planets is eventually forever lost to space, is where even that
element of helium has become a depleted terrestrial resource that’ll
soon need an artificial replacement or having to be resourced from off-
world, along with those heavier elements of various metals that modern
humanity can’t easily do without.

Terrestrial recycling of metals and even recapturing helium is of
course technically doable as long as the logistics, resources and
applied energy is never a costly or dirty option. Problem is, the
vast majority of terrestrial logistics plus the use of other resources
and energy for recycling of valuable elements are not of any clean
surplus, and their added cost once honestly taken as an all-inclusive
accounting is surprisingly more spendy and a whole lot dirtier than
we’re being told by our mainstream peers that have strong motives for
keeping this information as nondisclosure or need-to-know as possible.

Bottom line is that our overpopulated planet is getting in need of
outside resources, or that of considerable outsourcing on a grand
interplanetary scale, and the one and only viable planet that’s nearby
enough to seriously consider for our needs is Venus, not that our
physically dark and naked moon can remain taboo as a NASA/Apollo
forbidden item that’s ignored for all the wrong reasons. Of course
there are terrestrial alternatives for cleaner and even cheaper
energy, except by those most in charge have other ideas as to where
and when such options will (if ever) get applied as long as their
cache of hydrocarbons is holding out.

What sort of weird planet geology, or that of its active geodynamics
which includes all sorts of metals, looks or acts anything like Venus?

Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
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“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314

The scientific matter of fact is, not even the most active moon (Io)
of Jupiter offers up anything like this remarkable degree of surface
geology with such unusually symmetrical looking complexity, and
there’s certainly nothing remotely artificial looking with anything
discovered thus far about the planet Mars or that of any other planet
or moon to speak of, outside of planet Venus that gets within 110 LD
every 19 months (any closer and we’d have to reevaluate Venus as a
NEO).

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Oil and other hydrocarbons could be a forever natural renewable
resource, although exploiting it and for getting such extracted,
transported, processed and distributed is going to become rather
spendy when the depth and spread of fracking is so demanding and
accomplished without regard to groundwater contamination issues or
seismic event triggering.

William Mook of Mokenergy had offered multiple solutions to a great
extent of improving our currently accessible hydrocarbons, in addition
to offering a renewable resource of pure hydrogen plus a few other
associated benefits that could even replace conventional nuclear
reactor produced energy. Unfortunately, those of any authority sent
in their clowns and FUD-masters in order to do all damage-control they
could muster, so that they could topic/author stalk and basically
torpedoed anything Mook or anyone similar ever had to offer, rather
than exploiting some of his methods and other ideas for the greater
good.

Abiotic hydrocarbons:
http://www.wnd.com/2008/02/45838/
“Proskurowski found hydrocarbons containing carbon-13 isotopes that
appeared to be formed from the mantle of the Earth, rather than from
biological material settled on the ocean floor.

Carbon 13 is the carbon isotope scientists associate with abiotic
origin, compared to Carbon 12 that scientists typically associate with
biological origin.

Proskurowski argued that the hydrocarbons found in the natural
hydrothermal fluids coming out of the Lost City sea vents is
attributable to abiotic production by Fischer-Tropsch, or FTT,
reactions.

The Fischer-Tropsch equations were first developed by Nazi scientists
who created methodologies for producing synthetic oil from coal.

“Our findings illustrate that the abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in
nature may occur in the presence of ultramafic rocks, water and
moderate amounts of heat,” Proskurowski wrote.

The study also confirmed a major argument of Cornell University
physicist Thomas Gold, who argued in his book “The Deep Hot Biosphere:
The Myth of Fossil Fuels” that micro-organisms found in oil might have
come from the mantle of the earth where, absent photosynthesis, the
micro-organisms feed on hydrocarbons arising from the earth’s mantle
in the dark depths of the ocean floors.

Affirming this point, Proskurowski concluded the article by noting,
“Hydrocarbon production by FTT could be a common means for producing
precursors of life-essential building blocks in ocean-floor
environments or wherever warm ultramafic rocks are in contact with
water.”

Finding abiotic hydrocarbons in the Lost City sea vent fluids is the
second discovery in recent years adding weight to the abiotic theory
of the origin of oil.

As WND reported in 2005, a NASA probe to Titan, the giant moon of
Saturn, discovered abundant Carbon-13 methane that the agency declared
to be abiotic in origin.
(end quote)

This essentially means that our generation and at least the next ten
generations are screwed regardless of whomever our republic elects or
appoints, because those truly in charge of our line of credit and
holding most of the terrestrial hydrocarbon cards are downright greedy
bastards that intend to hold onto their authority over the rest of us
at any cost. Of course there remain a few pesky exceptions, such as
Venezuela that enforces their foreign oil and natural gas extraction
plus local refinement to share that energy resource at cost (roughly $.
25/gallon) with all Venezuelans, and of course Iraq used to be that
way except sharing with their citizens even a whole lot cheaper fuel
before we invented those WMD in order to justify and support invading
Iraq for no other good reason other than without such a proxy war
would have terminated any sort of Canadian oily sand recovery or that
of the equally spendy Alaskan oil which had absolutely nowhere to go
except down the proverbial drain unless global energy prices more than
doubled, which of course they did and not to mention the 2.3 trillions
that our DoD/Pentagon simply lost track of in addition to all the
other spending we had to fork over, making that one alone worth at
least 5 trillion once the all-inclusive cost are tallied up (not to
mention global inflation and what TSA has been costing us and the
world).

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On 11/6/2012 4:51 PM, Brad Guth wrote:


Every time Goth thinks about Mook, he masturbates.

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Exploiting our moon or that of any nearby planet, as for extracting
anything that could possibly benefit the greater good of our depleted
planet, is probably not going to happen anytime soon. Keeping this in
mind, you may want to rethink of this ongoing topic as for a future
time that has us well past the point of no return, as for that of our
surviving past peak Earth.

As long as there is another spendy tonne of nasty hydrocarbons to
exploit (biotic or abiotic), extract, process, transport and sell to

the highest bidder, no matters how terrestrial tricky, environmentally

risky, insider market conniving or bloody from proxy wars and
artificially stimulated civil unrest imposed upon those as having any

cheaper alternatives, it will remain as our only viable option for

consuming these solid, liquid and gaseous hydrocarbon fuels, and once

again all of the more renewable and even thorium or whatever off-world
options will not be taken seriously unless they can be artificially

made to be at least as spendy and/or more problematic than whatever
depleted terrestrial hydrocarbons represent.

The good news is that we have at least another couple spendy and
somewhat bloody centuries to go before only the Oligarchs and
Rothschilds can afford such terrestrial fuels, whereas by then most

all liquid and gaseous forms of hydrocarbons will have to be extracted
from extensive fracking and those thousands of ten plus mile long and

deep wells that’ll make the wholesale spot-market cost per barrel or
per unit of energy equivalency worth more than $1000. Of course by

then serious blowouts will happen most every month, and food shortages
making a Happy Meal of mystery protein that is going to cost at least

$100, as well as most everything else well have become relatively
spendy and high tech as all get out, so by 2212 we might not even

notice the ongoing sting of paying $100/gallon at the pump (not so bad
if we’re getting 100+ MPG in our $200,000 hybrid car that is taxpayer
subsidized to the kickback tune of 25%, so that at least the already
rich and powerful only have to fork-out $150,000 for each of those
fancy hybrid SUVs and full sized cars), and the rest of us get to
drive those funny little disposable two passenger clown cars that’ll
cost us $50,000 and have to get plugged in 4 to 6 hours for every
hundred miles, paying at least $1/kwhr.

However, if we had even the remote prospects of off-world

exploitations as to look forward to, this would at least give some of
us a glimmer of hope that in the near future of generations to come
would have a fighting chance without their having the underlying karma
of proxy wars and a very unhappy mother nature offering super-storms
and those 9+ seismic tectonics to contend with, at the same time as
oceans are rising and damage from storm-surge exceeds every previous
event.

With a hundred teratonnes worth of water vapor (less than 2% of
atmospheric mass) that has to continually recycle, along with the

above sea level surface hosting a greatly reduced volume of glacial

ice and compacted snow that has been aggressively melting more than
getting annually contributed to, is a wonder that more of our
overpopulated world with its poorly conceived infrastructure for
accommodating its pathetic lot of humanity that is so often naïve,
contentious and caught unprepared, is not a whole lot more at risk
with their land becoming unsuitable, such as having been eroded past
the point of no return so that the required recourses to stabilize and
utilize such dry land far exceeds the local geophysical and
biodiversity capability of what our tenuous dry land that is only
slightly (6.6 foot in the case of New York) above average sea level
that’s clearly rising and thereby can not possibly sustain us without

costly and lethal consequences, that obviously can not be so easily
avoided as the land erodes, oceans rise and global weather gets more
extreme.

On behalf of the other good news, as Greenland thaws and its mostly

bare bedrock surface with little if any topsoil emerges from under
that heavy cap of glacial ice, as even the crust gets uplifted due to
the upper lithosphere buoyancy and considerable reduction in ice mass,
at least eventually there will become those enormous fresh water lakes
surrounded by a mostly basalt and granite bedrock terrain that will
likely continue as to hosting an ample amount of ice and snow covered
above their seasonal snow-line or the new and improved glacial
elevation, whereas this and one other mostly frozen area of Earth will
become our future Edens of improved safety and sanctuary for humanity,
even though most of the global ecosystem is out of whack and its
greatly diminished biodiversity being at risk of extinction due to the
ongoing GW, AGW, pollution and over farming of just about everything.

However, if we can’t even manage to construct our homes with a basic
foundation and having whatever structure compressed onto its
foundation with essentially long steel bars and through-bolting so as

to hold tight by compressing these buildings as rigid onto their

substantial foundations, plus at ground level or below as having the
basic pumps required in order to safely utilize such easily flooded
space, is why this kind of wind and storm-surge damage along with loss
of most all the surrounding community infrastructure is inevitable.
In other words, demonstrating yet another waste of lives, time and
resources that should have been better spent by our parents and
grandparents, instead of procrastinated and passed along to the next

generations that’ll have even fewer options when they can’t seem to
think or act sensibly on their own behalf.

Since most everything of modern humanity demands a great deal of
applied energy (especially of typical recycling efforts that must
collect, sort, process, retransport and involve multiple agents),
seems to beg the question as to why better, cleaner and more failsafe
forms of affordable energy have not been developed when the technology
and expertise for such as existed for decades. According to William
Mook (ala Mokenergy) even medium or low grade coal can be efficiently
converted into a very high grade of liquid synfuels using essentially
renewable hydrogen made via solar and wind energy, with the secondary
byproduct of pure oxygen and otherwise spare electrons and even
distilled fresh water with its salts removed can be offered as yet
another secondary byproduct. This is not to say that any form of such
clean and renewable energy is ever going to be 100% clean or perfectly
failsafe, nor so easily produced that it would not be metered or
otherwise resold at a fair market price above its net production and
distribution cost.

Replacing our Steven Chu with a true Energy Czar w/balls might seem
necessary, even though his focus upon residence and appliance
efficiency along with his geothermal alternatives is at least a valid
option that’s within our technical expertise, although actually
proceeding with any effective plan is not on any foreseeable horizon

of offering us this affordably clean energy any time soon, and there’s
not many that can afford paying half again as much for their homes and
transportation. So, there’s no actual shortage of perfectly good and

On the other hand, of having energy surpluses and other more

affordable energy options is what makes life worth living for the
lower 99.9% of us w/o those Oligarch benefits. This of course is a
highly disruptive interpretation as to what the upper 0.1% think is
any good idea. Therefore, going off-world for anything of
constructive value and future benefit is not going to happen anytime
soon, unless brought about by yet another proxy war.

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Apparently, there’s not a soul in Usenet/newsgroups that thinks TBMs
digging into our moon is a good idea.

Sounds like anything utilizing our moon is on hold until actual fly-by-
rocket landers are perfected. No doubt this also applies for my
tethered LSE-CM/ISS.

My entirely original theory of a semi-hollow or rather geologically

porous upper mantel within our moon, as offering a density of
something near 85 or possibly 80% that of the paramagnetic basalt
crust and surface bedrock density of 3.5 g/cm3, should fit within the
gravity and those seismic ringing profiles as thus far obtained via
our NASA/Apollo era plus the ongoing LRO and GRAIL attempting to

gather a better resolution look-see at its surface mascons and

interior. The small iron plus added mix of thorium and uranium as a
relatively small core mass with a center offset of perhaps as great as
25% is just my wishful thinking, that’s every bit as subjectively
correct as anything our NASA/Apollo era of expertise has ever had to
say, not that the core offset or that of its relatively small mass
really matters all that much in terms of our utilizing the highly
protective interior of our moon.

Some of the deepest drillings within Earth has proven to be that of

encountering an inverse density at 10+ km depth, so it’s not all that
unlikely or improbable for the moon at considerably less gravity and
in a hard vacuum to offer an inverted density gradient, or at least

that of a porous transition layer between the crust and mantel to work
with, and it’s unlikely the upper mantel of our moon is still too hot
for our TBMs to deal with.

Of course our moon isn't just nicely 0.1% hollowed out for us as is,
because that's not how random rock porosity happens to form, and

otherwise liquids of brines, gasses like helium and possibly even

hydrocarbons will have to get removed before we can move ourselves
into those deep underground voids.

With dozens of deployed TBMs as hard at work and their considerable

spoils of ore removed for mineral and rare metal extraction

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Brad Guth <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently, there s not a soul in Usenet/newsgroups that thinks TBMs
> digging into our moon is a good idea.

Apparently every soul on usenet knows you're a brainless tit.

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[Brad Guth]

Unlike our naked moon, Venus lacks an influx of radiation:

According to our RBSPs going lickety-split around Earth, except
trekking primarily within those Van Allen radiation belts, and
apparently thus far there is no quantified radiation to report, at
least nothing as clearly specified within reports under the command of
NASA, JPL or via any other associated research group or university.
http://rbsp.jhuapl.edu/mission/overview.php
http://rbsp.jhuapl.edu/science/overview.php
Perhaps their multi-channel radiation spectrum instruments have been
broken, or simply having been unable to function, such as their having
not been turned on isn’t even mentioned nor otherwise specified.

Understandably, the ongoing RBSP mission that is 100% public funded is
simply gathering data that is apparently going to remain highly
privileged and/or need-to-know/nondisclosure rated. As of October 28,
each probe completed their 60 day commissioning phase when apparently
none of their radiation sampling instruments had been turned on.
However, from here on out there should be a healthy flood of radiation
related science as to the scope or extent of radiation that’s
concentrated within the complex layers or zones of the
geomagnetosphere surrounding our planet, plus tracking as to whatever
solar flares and CMEs can boost, as well as to recording whatever
gamma and X-Rays that our physically dark and naked moon can
contribute, although raw instrument data is unlikely to ever be
released.

The good news is that an extremely nearby planet like Venus has no
such lethal zones or rings of trapped radiation to contend with, nor
is there an enormous naked moon radiating its gamma and X-rays, and
the much better protection from the sun and its solar wind is
certainly a contributing factor in further reducing the cosmic influx
of radiation from even getting a clean shot at Venus. Of course,
there’s also that terrific atmospheric density and mass that’ll stop
most any bad radiation from ever reaching its geodynamically active
and geothermal upwelling surface, that’s obviously hot as hell but
should otherwise be perfectly safe for those working there.

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
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[Brad Guth]

> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

Our naked moon is just sitting out there, giving off those gamma and X-
rays as though it is protecting whatever is within and under its thick
paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust, and otherwise just because an
extremely nearby planet has made itself a little too extra geothermal
and solar hot, as having been too greenhouse nasty for its own good,
is not a sufficient reason for truly intelligent folks to not go after
those minerals of rare metals and raw elements.

Considering how depleted or that of a terrestrial limited occurrence
and thus rare a number of metals and raw elements are getting right
here on Earth, and how much human effort plus wars and environmental
damage takes place for exploiting, extracting and processing those, it
might not be such a bad idea of our going off-world once the all-
inclusive benefits are so easily understood by those of us that are
not terrestrial invested in such artificially made spendy items, that
also become social and political hot potatoes because of their growing
rareness or consumer value that’s so easily insider hoarded, and/or
traded via market speculation or manipulation in order to suit
whatever global inflation it can muster for the greater benefit of
Oligarchs and Rothschilds, that for the most part have never had to
actually work a day in their life.

So, as long as those of authority and wealth have no intentions of
improving our global infrastructure, so as to benefit the greater good
of the lower 99.9% caste, we might as well consider those off-world
exploitations as taboo or nondisclosure rated. But that doesn’t mean
others truly independent of our Oligarchs and warlords can’t manage to
proceed on their own w/o mainstream status quo benefits or privileges,
because it’ll just take a bit longer and remain spendy until those off-
world treasure troves are reached and their direct benefits start
paying off.

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[HVAC]

On 11/11/2012 9:43 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> Our naked moon is just sitting out there, giving off those gamma and X-
> rays as though it is protecting whatever is within and under its thick
> paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust, and otherwise just because an
> extremely nearby planet has made itself a little too extra geothermal
> and solar hot, as having been too greenhouse nasty for its own good,
> is not a sufficient reason for truly intelligent folks to not go after
> those minerals of rare metals and raw elements.

You are one funny cocksucker, Goth!

[Brad Guth]

On Nov 9, 4:39 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lucky for us, our enormous naked moon is just sitting out there and
supposedly being ever so gradually forced away from us, while giving
off those gamma and X-rays as though it is protecting whatever is
within and under its thick paramagnetic basalt and carbonado tough

crust, and otherwise just because an extremely nearby planet has made
itself a little too extra geothermal and solar hot, as having been too
greenhouse nasty for its own good, is not a sufficient reason for
truly intelligent folks to not go after those minerals of rare metals
and raw elements.

Considering how depleted or that of a terrestrial limited occurrence
and thus rare a number of metals and raw elements are getting right
here on Earth, and how much human effort plus wars and environmental

damage takes place for exploiting, extracting and processing, whereas

it might not be such a bad idea of our going off-world once the all-
inclusive benefits are so easily understood by those of us that are
not terrestrial invested in such artificially made spendy items, that

also become those social and political hot potatoes because of their

growing rareness or consumer value that’s so easily insider hoarded,
and/or traded via market speculation or manipulation in order to suit
whatever global inflation it can muster for the greater benefit of
Oligarchs and Rothschilds, that for the most part have never had to
actually work a day in their life.

So, as long as those of authority and wealth have no intentions of
improving our global infrastructure, so as to benefit the greater good
of the lower 99.9% caste, we might as well consider those off-world
exploitations as taboo or nondisclosure rated. But that doesn’t mean
others truly independent of our Oligarchs and warlords can’t manage to
proceed on their own w/o mainstream status quo benefits or privileges,

because it’ll just take a bit longer and remain spendy until off-world

[Brad Guth]

Unlike our naked moon, Venus lacks an influx of radiation, and
otherwise for going off-world to pillage and plunder other planets or
working safely inside of a naked moon, seems like a really good idea,
and especially if fly-by-rocket landers are so fuel efficient, fully
reliable and need hardly any modern computers or momentum reaction
wheels (aka power gyros for flight stabilization and CG compensation),
then why not simply scale-up and start putting those TBMs to work
inside of our moon?

According to our RBSPs going lickety-split around Earth, except

trekking primarily within those Van Allen radiation belts where it’s
potentially lethal to us humans, and apparently thus far there is no

quantified radiation to report, at least nothing as clearly specified

within any science reports under the command of NASA, JPL or via any

other associated research group or university.
http://rbsp.jhuapl.edu/mission/overview.php
http://rbsp.jhuapl.edu/science/overview.php
Perhaps their multi-channel radiation spectrum instruments have been

broken, or simply having been unable to function (due to all the
radiation), such as their having not been turned on isn’t even

mentioned nor otherwise specified.

Understandably, the ongoing RBSP mission that is 100% public funded is

simply gathering more of the same old Van Allen belt data that is

apparently going to remain highly privileged and/or need-to-know/
nondisclosure rated. As of October 28, each probe completed their

initial 60 day commissioning phase when apparently none of their

radiation sampling instruments had been turned on. However, from here
on out there should be a healthy flood of radiation related science as
to the scope or extent of radiation that’s concentrated within the
complex layers or zones of the geomagnetosphere surrounding our
planet, plus tracking as to whatever solar flares and CMEs can boost,

as well as to unavoidably recording whatever gamma and X-Rays that our
physically dark and naked moon can contribute, although such raw
instrument obtained data is unlikely to ever be released until it’s
certified by those of our Apollo era..

The good news is that an extremely nearby planet like Venus has no
such lethal zones or rings of trapped radiation to contend with, nor

is there any enormous naked moon radiating its gamma and X-rays, and

the much better protection from the sun and its solar wind is
certainly a contributing factor in further reducing the cosmic influx
of radiation from even getting a clean shot at Venus. Of course,
there’s also that terrific atmospheric density and mass that’ll stop
most any bad radiation from ever reaching its geodynamically active
and geothermal upwelling surface, that’s obviously hot as hell but

should otherwise be perfectly safe outside radiation for those working
there, and even local radiation should be at least a good hundred fold
better shielded by way of that dense atmosphere.

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
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On Nov 3, 6:00 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[nartrof seven]

> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

A ship need not even have to travel through the Van Allen Belt to
reach the outer space. The magnetic field that surrounds the earth,
curves in on itself at the poles. There is literally *no* ionosphere
at these locations! evidence points to the dryer regions of the South
Pole, a.k.a. McMurdo Oasis, consisting of several thousand aquare
miles of dry valleys, made of bare rocks, free of snow in both summer
and winter:

http://imageshack.us/a/img13/447/mcmurdooasis2.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img4/592/mcmurdooasis1.jpg

Many of the isolated valleys in these areas contain lakes that are
covered with 6 - 12 feet of ice, during all but the summer months. The
temperature at the bottom of some of those 100-to-200 foot deep lakes
can be as warm as 72 degrees (F)!

So Brad, you're capitulating to any design that totally ignores,
organizing scientists and engineers, for the cause of bootstrapping
industries of these sorts, at the expense of ignoring what primary and/
or precious metals are actually retrievable in the short run.

Any C5 Galaxy transport could deliver modules for construction of an
Orion-type spaceship, easily within a window-of-opportunity asteroid
mining mission, and not have to worry about such things as over-rad-
protection, in the case of asteroids that orbit between Mars and Earth
(e.g. #660, Crescentia, a main belt asteroid (NEA beyond Mars) has a
reflectivity of 0.71, making it the one reflectivity in the range of
interest).

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=660%20Crescentia;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

Hundreds of other candidates still await exploration, but my guess is
that "invalidator appearing industries" like Ball Aerospace, will
probably only deem "hazardous" the metal-free ones...

[Brad Guth]

> http://imageshack.us/a/img13/447/mcmurdooasis2.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img4/592/mcmurdooasis1.jpg

>
> Many of the isolated valleys in these areas contain lakes that are
> covered with 6 - 12 feet of ice, during all but the summer months. The
> temperature at the bottom of some of those 100-to-200 foot deep lakes
> can be as warm as 72 degrees (F)!
>
> So Brad, you're capitulating to any design that totally ignores,
> organizing scientists and engineers, for the cause of bootstrapping
> industries of these sorts, at the expense of ignoring what primary and/
> or precious metals are actually retrievable in the short run.

I never consider the short runs, though you and others of your kind
may certainly continue.

>
> Any C5 Galaxy transport could deliver modules for construction of an
> Orion-type spaceship, easily within a window-of-opportunity asteroid
> mining mission, and not have to worry about such things as over-rad-
> protection, in the case of asteroids that orbit between Mars and Earth
> (e.g. #660, Crescentia, a main belt asteroid (NEA beyond Mars) has a
> reflectivity of 0.71, making it the one reflectivity in the range of
> interest).
>

> http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=660%20Crescentia;orb=1;cov=0;lo...
Our naked moon gives off gamma and X-rays that are not exactly human
DNA cell friendly, not to mention the unfiltered influx of solar and
cosmic radiation that freely interacts with that paramagnetic surface
density of 3.5 g/cm3 that our naked moon has to offer.

>
> Hundreds of other candidates still await exploration, but my guess is
> that "invalidator appearing industries" like Ball Aerospace, will
> probably only deem "hazardous" the metal-free ones...

That's certainly an interesting interpretation of what the mainstream
of insiders are capable of doing.

[Brad Guth]

Our moon is simply a no brainer, as to what the current and future
generations need to accomplish on behalf of providing options for
those of us stuck on Earth, although we do not have to go to Venus in
person, at least not for the immediate future, because remotely flown
robotics and landers can do whatever needs to get accomplished for at
least the next decade. Though meanwhile, as for establishing a Venus
L2 outpost/gateway or oasis kind of manned depot would come in real
handy, although as well as for otherwise accomplishing our extremely
massive and nearby moon plus exploiting the use of its L1 shouldn’t be
ignored, especially when modern TBMs can get us safely underground and
the LSE-CM/ISS(lunar space elevator with its counter mass outpost)
made operational.

The future relocation and interactive station-keeping our moon within
the halo of Earth L1, is just a basic geoengineering solution offering
loads of positive/constructive benefits. Otherwise the extremely
nearby Venus can be put on hold until we get our terrestrial and lunar
act together.

GuthVenus 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:

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Venus is simply offering a terrific opportunity to achieve invaluable
off-world exploitation of an extremely nearby planet that has most of
everything imaginable to spare. We could even declare yet another
proxy war on Venus without hardly taking a hit from any karma,
although some might interpret the unusual area of GuthVenus as
representing a somewhat problematic outcome. In other words, what’s
new about any of that.

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New world captured by direct observation:
A 13 Mj planet orbiting a 2.5 Ms star, recorded at a distance from us
of 170 ly is actually quite an observationology accomplishment, of
another exoplanet detection without having a JWST and Starshade
combination.
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The young and fast living solar system will most likely burn through
its fuel and send its planets packing w/o a sun within as little as
the next 750 million years, adding to the already crowded galaxy of
rogue/nomad planets and planetoids as small as Ceres, that could
easily number 5e16 without even including those planets associated
with active main-sequence stars as well as whatever red and brown
dwarfs that should have their own to offer.

At least Andromedae(b) is orbiting far enough away from this vibrant
star, plus offing some of its own core of residual thermodynamic and
fission energy, in that large and small moons of this one could be
entirely Goldilocks Earthly or conceivably Avatar fictional Pandora
like.

Unlike our physically dark and paramagnetic moon, Venus seems to act
much like a newish planet, and that’s a very good thing if you were
looking for the most affordable exploitation of another planet to
pillage and plunder for its metals and raw elements.

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[Brad Guth]

On Nov 20, 3:45 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> New world captured by direct observation:
> A 13 Mj planet orbiting a 2.5 Ms star, recorded at a distance from us
> of 170 ly is actually quite an observationology accomplishment, of
> another exoplanet detection without having a JWST and Starshade
> combination.

>  http://www.scientificamerican.com/gallery_directory.cfm?photo_id=1A69...

>  The young and fast living solar system will most likely burn through
> its fuel and send its planets packing w/o a sun within as little as
> the next 750 million years, adding to the already crowded galaxy of
> rogue/nomad planets and planetoids as small as Ceres, that could
> easily number 5e16 without even including those planets associated
> with active main-sequence stars as well as whatever red and brown
> dwarfs that should have their own to offer.
>
> At least Andromedae(b) is orbiting far enough away from this vibrant
> star, plus offing some of its own core of residual thermodynamic and
> fission energy, in that large and small moons of this one could be
> entirely Goldilocks Earthly or conceivably Avatar fictional Pandora
> like.
>
> Unlike our physically dark and paramagnetic moon, Venus seems to act
> much like a newish planet, and that’s a very good thing if you were
> looking for the most affordable exploitation of another planet to
> pillage and plunder for its metals and raw elements.
>
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Once again, our moon is being mainstream ignored, except as a toy for
our NASA to use as another job security ploy.

Even the Earth-moon L1 is taboo/nondisclosure rated, as is all of the
past and ongoing science filtered behind closed doors.

[Brad Guth]

LiftPort offers another good idea that’s worth doing, though any space
elevator from Earth is not currently doable, however, a commercial
space elevator deployed from the moon has been doable for quite some
time.

Since we still do not have any scaled up fly-by-rocket lander, we
might as well reconsider by LSE-CM/ISS (lunar space elevator with its
counter mass international space station).

The Earth-moon L1 is a zero delta-V gravity well that has our name
allover it. Of course the extremely nearby planet Venus isn’t exactly
a taboo/forbidden kind of spooky place.

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“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:

https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146

> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

[Brad Guth]

> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

LiftPort offers another perfectly good technological idea that’s worth

doing, though any space elevator from Earth is not currently doable

within existing physical properties of fibers or ribbons that can be
affordably mass produced, however, a commercial space elevator
deployed from the moon and tethered towards mother Earth has been

doable for quite some time.

Since we still do not have any scaled up fly-by-rocket lander(s), we
might as well reconsider my LSE-CM/ISS (lunar space elevator with its
counter mass international space station) along with its tethered
dipole element (w/science and clean energy platform) reaching to
within 6r of Earth.

The Earth-moon L1 offers an ideal zero delta-V gravity-well that has
our name allover it. Of course the extremely nearby planet Venus and
its L2 isn’t exactly a taboo/forbidden kind of spooky place unless
Russia wants to make a big fuss over any claim to either of those.

Others as having been working towards the same goal but not taking
everything into account, are still worth the space elevator concept
effort, because eventually it will happen even if the moon gets
relocated to our sun-Earth L1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_space_elevator

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https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146

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> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

LiftPort offers another perfectly good technological idea that’s worth

doing, though any space elevators to/from Earth is not currently

doable within existing physical properties of fibers or ribbons that
can be affordably mass produced, however, a commercial space elevator

deployed from the moon and easily tethered towards mother Earth has

been doable for quite some time.

Since we still do not have any scaled up fly-by-rocket lander(s) of
any capacity, we might as well reconsider my LSE-CM/ISS (lunar space
elevator with its sizable counter mass international space station)

along with its tethered dipole element (w/science and clean energy

transfer platform) reaching to within 6r(38,268 km) of Earth, should
not be put off.

The Earth-moon L1 offers an ideal zero delta-V as a gravity-null that
has our name written allover it. Of course the extremely nearby

planet Venus and its L2 isn’t exactly a taboo/forbidden kind of spooky

null kind of place unless Russia wants to make a big fuss over any

claim to either of those.

Others as having been working towards the same goal but not taking

everything into account, are still worthy of pursuing their space
elevator concept, because eventually it will happen even if the moon

gets relocated to our sun-Earth L1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_space_elevator

Relocating our moon as interactively station-keeping itself within the
halo orbit of our sun-Earth L1, offers far more advantages than
negatives.

If this moon relocation process were to take a century, at an average
all-inclusive cost of one trillion per year, is only an average
withdraw or diversion of $143/yr per person, or 39 cents per day. In
return, upon eventually having blown 100 trillion dollars and thereby
having employed on average a million highly paid folks as well as
having created a thousand new multi-billionaires (plus 40 trillion
spent just in various union, mafia and insider political bribes),
we’d receive those 50% tides that become 100% regulated and perfectly
consistent high tides as always happening exactly at noon and
midnight.

This makes another ten thousand km2 of coastal tidal and river delta
land as safely usable for our habitat and industrial infrastructure,
as well as for accommodating commercial livestock and agriculture,
whereas without such tidal moderation and regulation simply couldn’t
be safely utilized. Each km2 as properly cultivated and growing stuff
worth a minimum of $100,000/km2/yr is at least worth ten billion per
year and that’s worthy of creating another million seasonal and/or low
income jobs.

The reduction in seismic triggering and global crust modulation should
be reduced by a factor of 4:1 or at least 75%, and there’s hardly any
argument as to what advantages and direct cost saving that such
geodynamic reduction in seismic related damage avoidance that could
easily translate into several hundred billion per year.

The solar influx reduced by roughly 3% could also be further modified
as to transferring back as much as 2% solar influx in the form of
1.75e12 kw of perfectly clean renewable energy, simply by way of
directed illumination and/or beamed energy focused upon wherever
global surface area needed a little extra help. This 1%~3% reduction
in solar influx, that if need be could exceed 3%, can be made
responsible for GW and AGW compensation, allowing for glacial
buildups, less land erosion and a more naturally regulated seasonal
resupply of clean water.

Indirectly their would also be a reduction in storm severity that
should also be expected to greatly benefit us in more ways than most
are willing to admit, especially once glacier volumes have picked up
by 1% per decade (relatively quickly reversing the last century of
volumetric ice losses).

Mining the moon would become even easier, because the zero delta-V as
providing a gravity-null within the Earth-moon L1 should still apply,
as well as the lunar space elevators should still function, and the
whole terminator zone of 2 km width (2.2e13 m2) could be fully
developed for surface industrial exploitation, including solar energy
farms, private habitats and unlimited underground access to the TBMs
hard at work.

Of course, in the always naysay hands and closed mindsets of those
intent upon never allowing any such utilization of our moon, whereas
anything the least bit associated with the relocation or commercial
use of our moon would only be entirely doom and gloom. This is not to
say that some negative issues or complications will not materialize,
although global benefits should far outweigh the negatives by more
than 10:1.

As considerable time goes by (a billion plus years from now), our sun
getting gradually hotter, launching those pesky 1e15 kg CMEs and even
starts enlarging, is when having that little 3% spot of shade is going
to come in real freaking handy, buying us some time to secure a
survivable future with such a hotter sun and our depleted planet
attempting to support 21+ billion humans as all living large, as such
is going to demand a great deal of resources and energy that could
probably use all the shade it can muster. Obviously this is all quite
silly science-future because, humanity lasting another couple thousand
years without involving our global species extinction is highly
unlikely, especially if we still can not have our extremely tough moon
to survive upon, or rather to safely survive within.

There’s actually a fairly good number of constructive positives and
otherwise fully tailored alternatives to suit most any solar energy
demand, multiple reduced seismic related issues and roughly half the
usual tidal flows that would pay back a good ten fold over the
investment of relocating our moon and utilizing it for geoengineering
solutions as well as for a terrific resource of providing just about
everything our overpopulated planet is going to need.

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Venus”,GuthVenus

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:

https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146

[Brad Guth]

Venus may not be currently within our technological grasp, however,
the proper use of space, moons and other planets to our advantage
seems like a perfectly natural progression of applied intelligence, as
opposed to the mainstream of perpetual denial and obfuscation that
wants nothing to ever move forward or change for the better that
benefits the lower 99.9% of us, and otherwise improves the care of our
global environment and its biodiversity at the same time.

Elsewhere we have LiftPort offering a perfectly good technological

idea that’s worth doing, though any space elevators to/from Earth is
not currently doable within existing physical properties of fibers or
ribbons that can be affordably mass produced, however, a commercial
space elevator deployed from the moon and easily tethered towards
mother Earth has been doable for quite some time.

Since we still do not have scaled up fly-by-rocket lander(s) of any

starts bloating towards its red giant phase, is when having that

little 3% spot of shade is going to come in real freaking handy,
buying us some time to secure a survivable future with such a hotter
sun and our depleted planet attempting to support 21+ billion humans
as all living large, as such is going to demand a great deal of
resources and energy that could probably use all the shade it can
muster. Obviously this is all quite silly science-future because,
humanity lasting another couple thousand years without involving our
global species extinction is highly unlikely, especially if we still
can not have our extremely tough moon to survive upon, or rather to

safely survive within or underneath its extremely tough and
paramagnetic crust.

There’s actually a fairly good number of constructive positives and
otherwise fully tailored alternatives to suit most any solar energy

demand, as well as multiple reduced seismic related issues and roughly

half the usual tidal flows that would pay back a good ten fold over
the investment of relocating our moon and utilizing it for
geoengineering solutions as well as for a terrific resource of
providing just about everything our overpopulated planet is going to
need.

Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”,GuthVenus

“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:

https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146

> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

[Brad Guth]

> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

It seems the resident FUD-masters have given up on directly topic/
author stalking and basing this one for all they can muster, but
that's probably just the passing eye of the storm.

It's still quite odd how anything directly NASA/Apollo related simply
can not manage to image any such vibrant and extremely nearby planet
like Venus in the same FOV, along with their always physically dark
surface of our moon.

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The utilization of a given moon for the extension of its planet
biodiversity, and/or on behalf of simply extracting minerals and rare
metals that most any civilized planet would put to good use, seems
like a rather perfectly natural progression of what any sort of
intelligent species of complex life should be involved with.

There could be those moons as large or even larger than Earth, doing
just fine and dandy within the short lifespan of orbiting larger stars
that'll soon set their planets free, to roam about the galaxy as cool
but not entirely cold nomad worlds along with their trusty moons.
Some of the larger stars seem to have those really massive planets,
and even stars of smaller mass than our sun have been identified as
providing planets considerably more massive than Jupiter.

"when you have one planet around a star, there's a good chance there's
one or more other planets around the star," Carson says. Because
astronomers didn't even know that such a massive star could support
normal planetary formation, the study of all the planets in the system
could prove especially fruitful. "It's like opening a treasure chest
of new discoveries," / Joe Carson

New world captured by direct observation:
A 13 Mj planet orbiting a 2.5 Ms star, recorded at a distance from us
of 170 ly is actually quite an observationology accomplishment, of
another exoplanet detection without having a JWST and Starshade
combination.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/gallery_directory.cfm?photo_id=1A69A9D4-A7CC-6743-D66A38E91B4E114C

The young and fast living solar system will most likely burn through
its fuel and send its planets packing w/o a sun within as little as
the next 750 million years, adding to the already crowded galaxy of
rogue/nomad planets and planetoids as small as Ceres, that could
easily number 5e16 without even including those planets associated
with active main-sequence stars as well as whatever red and brown
dwarfs that should have their own to offer.

At least Andromedae(b) at near 13 Jm, that could also be interpreted
as nearly a brown dwarf, has been identified as orbiting far enough
away from this extremely vibrant main-sequence star, plus offing some
of its own core of residual thermodynamic and internal fission energy,

in that large and small moons of this one could be entirely Goldilocks

and sufficiently Earthly or conceivably Avatar fictional Pandora like,
even kept functional without having their original sun.

Unlike our physically dark and paramagnetic moon with its thick and
extremely tough crust that TBMs could have been tunneling into as of
decades ago, Venus seems to act much like a newish kind of extremely
active planet, and that’s a very good thing if you were looking for
the most affordable exploitation of another nearby planet to pillage
and plunder for its cache of metals and raw elements.

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https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146

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On Nov 27, 10:11 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The utilization of a given moon for the extension of its planet
> biodiversity, and/or on behalf of simply extracting minerals and rare
> metals that most any civilized planet would put to good use, seems
> like a rather perfectly natural progression of what any sort of
> intelligent species of complex life should be involved with.
>
> There could be those moons as large or even larger than Earth, doing
> just fine and dandy within the short lifespan of orbiting larger stars
> that'll soon set their planets free, to roam about the galaxy as cool
> but not entirely cold nomad worlds along with their trusty moons.
> Some of the larger stars seem to have those really massive planets,
> and even stars of smaller mass than our sun have been identified as
> providing planets considerably more massive than Jupiter.
>
> "when you have one planet around a star, there's a good chance there's
> one or more other planets around the star," Carson says. Because
> astronomers didn't even know that such a massive star could support
> normal planetary formation, the study of all the planets in the system
> could prove especially fruitful. "It's like opening a treasure chest
> of new discoveries," / Joe Carson
>
> New world captured by direct observation:
> A 13 Mj planet orbiting a 2.5 Ms star, recorded at a distance from us
> of 170 ly is actually quite an observationology accomplishment, of
> another exoplanet detection without having a JWST and Starshade
> combination.

>  http://www.scientificamerican.com/gallery_directory.cfm?photo_id=1A69...

>  https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

Our moon with its extremely thick and robust basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3
that’s also paramagnetic in addition to hosting a number of surface
mascons, is just another golden egg treasure trove of valuable
elements and rare-earths that has our name plastered allover it. Even
the zero delta-V of its L1 (gravity null) is in of itself quite
valuable to us, but it’s currently worthless because of what our NASA/
Apollo era didn’t accomplish.

[Brad Guth]

Just sitting around and doing nothing is not an option, unless you
have a death wish.

Roughly a trillion dollars per day of our hard earned loot is spent on
energy and energy derived products of oils, coal, gasses and those
nuclear elements. Most of that energy isn't even 25% efficiently
utilized for doing actual work or otherwise benefiting us (outside of
global warming and polluting the living hell out of most everything we
value about our planet), because the other 75+% is just getting
wasted, spilled or blowing out of control as though it doesn't mean
squat, and otherwise at least 99.9% of terrestrial exploited helium is
just lost forever.

Of course according to BP, us “little people” are very important as
long as we get to pay whatever extorted ransom they expect of us
“little people” to pay for everything, including their own screw-ups
and insider trading that’s extorting the rest of the world for all
they(aka oligarchs) can muster. Apparently global unrest and
inflation is a very good thing for these Big Energy cabals and mafias
that get to live large at the expense and demise of others.

At the current and future accelerated rate of our having been
depleting terrestrial resources and raw elements, and having been
allowing our helium to escape by the tonne per second, as such is at
least putting a future date of our achieving "peak Earth" on the
table. At least this way we don't have to second guess whatever any
Mayan end-date of our demise has to suggest, because we'll have our
future demise well established without any Mayan help.

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On Nov 27, 10:11 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The utilization of a given moon for the extension of its planet
> biodiversity, and/or on behalf of simply extracting minerals and rare
> metals that most any civilized planet would put to good use, seems
> like a rather perfectly natural progression of what any sort of
> intelligent species of complex life should be involved with.
>
> There could be those moons as large or even larger than Earth, doing
> just fine and dandy within the short lifespan of orbiting larger stars
> that'll soon set their planets free, to roam about the galaxy as cool
> but not entirely cold nomad worlds along with their trusty moons.
> Some of the larger stars seem to have those really massive planets,
> and even stars of smaller mass than our sun have been identified as
> providing planets considerably more massive than Jupiter.
>
> "when you have one planet around a star, there's a good chance there's
> one or more other planets around the star," Carson says. Because
> astronomers didn't even know that such a massive star could support
> normal planetary formation, the study of all the planets in the system
> could prove especially fruitful. "It's like opening a treasure chest
> of new discoveries," / Joe Carson
>
> New world captured by direct observation:
> A 13 Mj planet orbiting a 2.5 Ms star, recorded at a distance from us
> of 170 ly is actually quite an observationology accomplishment, of
> another exoplanet detection without having a JWST and Starshade
> combination.

>  http://www.scientificamerican.com/gallery_directory.cfm?photo_id=1A69...

>  https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

[HVAC]

[Brad Guth]

Just sitting around and doing nothing is not an option, unless you and
the mainstream status-quo have a death wish for ourselves and others.

Roughly a trillion dollars per day of our hard earned loot is spent on

energy and energy derived products of oils, coal, natural gasses and
those not so friendly nuclear elements. Most of that energy isn't

even 25% efficiently utilized for doing actual work or otherwise
benefiting us (outside of global warming and polluting the living hell
out of most everything we value about our planet), because the other
75+% is just getting wasted, spilled or blowing out of control as
though it doesn't mean squat, and otherwise at least 99.9% of

terrestrial exploited helium is just lost forever. The all-inclusive
(aka birth to grave) consumption and its unavoidable wastage of such
hydrocarbon energy could well be 90+%, with less than 10% of its
energy potential actually contributed to the constructive end-use of
such energy.

Of course according to BP, us “little people” are very important as

long as we get to pay with a smile whatever extorted ransom they

expect of us “little people” to pay for everything, including their
own screw-ups and insider trading that’s extorting the rest of the
world for all they(aka oligarchs) can muster. Apparently global
unrest and inflation is a very good thing for these Big Energy cabals

and mafias that get to risk everything while living large at the

expense and demise of others.

At the current and future accelerated rate of our having been
depleting terrestrial resources and raw elements, and having been
allowing our helium to escape by the tonne per second, as such is at
least putting a future date of our achieving "peak Earth" on the
table. At least this way we don't have to second guess whatever any

Mayan end-date of our demise has to suggest, because we'll soon enough

have our future demise well established without any Mayan help.

http://translate.google.com/#
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[Brad Guth]

Just sitting around and doing nothing is not an option, unless you and
the mainstream status-quo have a death wish for ourselves and others.

Roughly a trillion dollars per day of our hard earned loot is spent on
energy and energy derived products of oils, coal, natural gasses and
those not so friendly nuclear elements. Most of that energy isn't

even capable of being 25% efficiently utilized for doing actual work

or otherwise benefiting us (outside of global warming and polluting
the living hell out of most everything we value about our planet),
because the other 75+% is just getting wasted, spilled or blowing out
of control as though it doesn't mean squat, and otherwise at least

99.9% of terrestrial exploited helium is simply lost forever. The all-

inclusive (aka birth to grave) consumption and its unavoidable wastage
of such hydrocarbon energy could well be 90+%, with less than 10% of
its energy potential actually contributed to the constructive end-use

of such energy, though in some instances it’s already providing a
negative energy coefficient.

Of course according to BP, us “little people” are always very

important as long as we get to pay with a smile whatever extorted
ransom they expect of us “little people” to pay for everything,
including their own screw-ups and insider trading that’s extorting the
rest of the world for all they(aka oligarchs) can muster. Apparently
global unrest and inflation is a very good thing for these Big Energy
cabals and mafias that get to risk everything while living large at
the expense and demise of others.

At the current and future accelerated rate of our having been
depleting terrestrial resources and raw elements, and having been
allowing our helium to escape by the tonne per second, as such is at
least putting a future date of our achieving "peak Earth" on the
table. At least this way we don't have to second guess whatever any
Mayan end-date of our demise has to suggest, because we'll soon enough
have our future demise well established without any Mayan help.

Naturally our resident FUD-masters and GOP oligarch mafia of mostly
ZNRs with deep investments in terrestrial hydrocarbon energy, as well
as controlling interest in much of everything else they can manage to
infiltrate, as such will have to topic/author stalk throughout Usenet/
newsgroups in order to insist that absolutely everything is under
control and running as smoothly and efficiently as it possibly can.
Apparently the likes of a mutually perpetrated cold-war era, 9/11 and
proxy wars are simply inevitable no matter how nice or fairly folks
are being treated, and supposedly the environment was going to tank
anyway, which is clearly not a problem for the upper 0.1%.

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Venus may be thought of as too hot and active to touch, and our
physically dark and paramagnetic moon too naked to safely land and
walk upon, although the near future of “peak Earth” isn’t exactly
looking all that good either.

Just sitting around and doing nothing is not an option, unless you and
the mainstream status-quo have a death wish for ourselves and others.

Roughly a trillion dollars per day of our hard earned loot is spent on
energy and energy derived products of oils, coal, natural gasses and
those not so friendly nuclear elements. Most of that energy isn't
even capable of being 25% efficiently utilized for doing actual work
or otherwise benefiting us (outside of global warming and polluting
the living hell out of most everything we value about our planet),
because the other 75+% is just getting wasted, spilled or blowing out
of control as though it doesn't mean squat, and otherwise at least
99.9% of terrestrial exploited helium is simply lost forever. The all-
inclusive (aka birth to grave) consumption and its unavoidable wastage
of such hydrocarbon energy could well be 90+%, with less than 10% of
its energy potential actually contributed to the constructive end-use
of such energy, though in some instances it’s already providing a
negative energy coefficient.

Of course according to BP, us little people or “small people” are

always very important as long as we get to pay with a smile whatever

extorted ransom they expect of us “small people” to pay for

everything, including their own screw-ups and insider trading that’s
extorting the rest of the world for all they(aka oligarchs) can
muster. Apparently global unrest and inflation is a very good thing
for these Big Energy cabals and mafias that get to risk everything
while living large at the expense and demise of others.

At the current and future accelerated rate of our having been
depleting terrestrial resources and raw elements, and having been
allowing our helium to escape by the tonne per second, as such is at
least putting a future date of our achieving "peak Earth" on the
table. At least this way we don't have to second guess whatever any
Mayan end-date of our demise has to suggest, because we'll soon enough
have our future demise well established without any Mayan help.

Naturally our resident FUD-masters and GOP oligarch mafia of mostly

ZNRs with their deep investments in terrestrial hydrocarbon energy, as

well as controlling interest in much of everything else they can

manage to infiltrate, as such will have to keep their brown-nosed
minions and goons as topic/author stalking throughout Usenet/

newsgroups in order to insist that absolutely everything is under
control and running as smoothly and efficiently as it possibly can.
Apparently the likes of a mutually perpetrated cold-war era, 9/11 and
proxy wars are simply inevitable no matter how nice or fairly folks
are being treated, and supposedly the environment was going to tank
anyway, which is clearly not a problem for the upper 0.1%.

Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/
pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif

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https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314

[Brad Guth]

Our moon with its extremely thick and robust basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3

that’s paramagnetic in addition to hosting a number of surface

mascons, is just another golden egg treasure trove of valuable

elements, including carbonado and those valuable rare-earths that has

our name plastered allover it. Even the zero delta-V of its L1

(gravity null) is in of itself quite valuable as a gateway or oasis/
outpost to us, but it’s all currently worthless because of what our
cold war NASA/Apollo era didn’t accomplish.

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Peak-Earth means that off-world exploitation of our moon and the
extremely nearby planet Venus may not be as far off as some would have
us think, because at the rate we’re proceeding to tank our environment
and to traumatize its biodiversity past the point of no return, it
will not take nearly as long to accomplish a global culling of humans
in order that the upper 0.1% can maintain their quality of life
without a speck of remorse.

What we don’t pollute with our acidic and toxic soot plus released
industrial vapors that could be classified as WMD, not to mention
contributing our vast surplus of waste heat that’s none too little,
thanks to the Big Energy cabal mafia of hydrocarbons that’s known to
many of us as BP, our global biodiversity that is supposed to sustain
us “small people” is not actually getting back to normal, or much less
any better off.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50032789/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.ULlNm-82uVo
“For microscopic animals living in the Gulf of Mexico, even worse
than the toxic oil released during the 2010 Deepwater Horizon disaster
may be the very oil dispersants used to clean it up, a new study
finds.

More than 2 million gallons (7.5 million liters) of oil dispersants
called Corexit 9527A and 9500A were dumped into the gulf in an effort
to prevent oil from reaching shore and to help it degrade more
quickly.

However, when oil and Corexit are combined, the mixture becomes up to
52 times more toxic than oil alone, according to a study published
online this week in the journal Environmental Pollution.

"There is a synergistic interaction between crude oil and the
dispersant that makes it more toxic," said Terry Snell, a study co-
author and biologist at Georgia Tech. Using dispersants breaks up the
oil into small droplets and makes it less visible, but, "on the other
hand, makes it more toxic to the planktonic food chain," Snell told
LiveScience.
(end quote: more)
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/11/30/bp-oil-spill-dispersants-rotifers-study.html

Of course BP thinks that we “small people” should just back way the
hell off and deregulate most everything (at least that’s also exactly
what our Hagar and his fellow FUD-masters always had to say), so that
their oil and gas goons can do as they please and extort us for as
much as only they think best, so that BP oligarchs get to live large
and the rest of us might get a shot at being employed as their
lackeys.

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[Brad Guth]

On Nov 30, 5:35 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peak-Earth means that off-world exploitation of our moon and the
> extremely nearby planet Venus may not be as far off as some would have
> us think, because at the rate we’re proceeding to tank our environment
> and to traumatize its biodiversity past the point of no return, it
> will not take nearly as long to accomplish a global culling of humans
> in order that the upper 0.1% can maintain their quality of life
> without a speck of remorse.
>
> What we don’t pollute with our acidic and toxic soot plus released
> industrial vapors that could be classified as WMD, not to mention
> contributing our vast surplus of waste heat that’s none too little,
> thanks to the Big Energy cabal mafia of hydrocarbons that’s known to
> many of us as BP, our global biodiversity that is supposed to sustain
> us “small people” is not actually getting back to normal, or much less
> any better off.

>  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50032789/ns/technology_and_science-scienc...

>  “For microscopic animals living in the Gulf of Mexico, even worse
> than the toxic oil released during the 2010 Deepwater Horizon disaster
> may be the very oil dispersants used to clean it up, a new study
> finds.
>
> More than 2 million gallons (7.5 million liters) of oil dispersants
> called Corexit 9527A and 9500A were dumped into the gulf in an effort
> to prevent oil from reaching shore and to help it degrade more
> quickly.
>
> However, when oil and Corexit are combined, the mixture becomes up to
> 52 times more toxic than oil alone, according to a study published
> online this week in the journal Environmental Pollution.
>
> "There is a synergistic interaction between crude oil and the
> dispersant that makes it more toxic," said Terry Snell, a study co-
> author and biologist at Georgia Tech. Using dispersants breaks up the
> oil into small droplets and makes it less visible, but, "on the other
> hand, makes it more toxic to the planktonic food chain," Snell told
> LiveScience.
> (end quote: more)

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>  http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/11/30/bp-oil-spill-dispers...

A show of hands is needed here; Who's in favor of relocating our moon
to Earth L1?

[Brad Guth]

Too bad our NASA still doesn't have a viable fly-by-rocket lander nor
much less anything scaled up for commercially accessing our moon.

[Brad Guth]

Is there any good reasons why our TBMs couldn't function within our
moon?

[Brad Guth]

On Nov 29, 5:55 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Way back in November 1977, National Geographic ran a very small NASA
infomercial of “Let’s Go to the Moon”, with the closing line: “This
book is illustrated with official NASA photographs in full color”.

The little eyecandy image associated with this book promotion was that
of an inert colorless moon offering a considerably reflective albedo,
extensively dust free, with excellent surface clumping and/or surface
tension in order to nicely support everything without a hitch, all
recorded by way of using ordinary Kodak film in essentially an
ordinary but quality camera with only the very best unfiltered optics
that oddly had no harsh illumination contrast issues, no issues of any
excessive heat or any sort of local, cosmic or solar influx radiation
issues to contend with, and otherwise this continued NASA/Apollo hype
implying that they’d gotten themselves there using a poorly documented
fly-by-rocket lander that had less computer than a Casio watch, no
powerful momentum reaction gyros, and their having soft-landed this
spacecraft with a downrange controlled flight as having no stability
issues and otherwise fuel and payload to spare.

Published as of only 5 years after the Apollo 17 mission, there’s
still no mention of their fly-by-rocket lander technology, nor that of
its perfection performance and its one-off flawless piloting as of
day-1, though to be fair there’s still nothing that has been made
publicly accessible as to explaining such reliable capability of those
mostly manual piloted landers, nor offering rational explanations as
to their extremely good Kodak film, camera and lens results of such
photographics of minimal contrast that have never been achieved here
on Earth with any singular spotlight source of illumination. Oddly
those terrific cameras and their best available optics prevented their
Kodak film from ever recording the likes of Saturn, Jupiter, Mars,
Venus or Mercury, that which at one time or another had to have been
easily viewed above the physically dark horizon. Of course, even
Earth was imaged as a pastel kind of planet that was never all that
large or colorfully depicted.

Oddly when our naked moon gets photographed from Earth, amateurs have
managed to capture those natural mineral colors in their saturated
contrasty images of our moon, which look nothing like those pastel and
mostly monochromatic versions provided to us by way of those Apollo
missions that also gave independent scientists nothing of any
interactive instruments to work with. This means there are still a
great many unknowns about our physically dark and paramagnetic moon,
including its unavoidable photographic contrast issues, local plus
solar and cosmic radiation factors, considerable terminator
electrostatic considerations, physical dust and those pesky impacts
from encountering particles in addition to all the raw solar wind of
protons and electrons impacting and/or zooming past at 30+ km/sec, not
to mention those small meteor encounters that have nothing slowing any
of those down or especially for avoiding those encountering the
gravity boosted velocity adding 2.4 km/s to their already fast speed.

The considerable sodium and local gamma was never an issue to our NASA/
Apollo era, and our second moon Cruithne of 5+ km and 1.3e14 kg
(discovered October 10, 1986 and clearly orbital associated as bound
to Earth) of course this wasn’t even known at the time. No wonder
Sirius and even the nearby planet Venus were never spotted from lunar
orbit or from any of its physically dark surface.

So, there is no question that we’ll need to go to our moon in order to
exploit it and utilize its L1 for accomplishing other off-world
missions. Relocating our moon to Earth L1 can wait until 95% of
humanity is systematically culled or becomes naturally extinct due to
resource shortages, global famine and proxy wars due to AGW and the
12+ extra meters of ocean level that’ll drive the lower 95% to fight
for their survival that will be futile considering the depletion of
global resources, greed, hoarding and skulduggery by the upper most
0.1%.

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On Nov 29, 5:55 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

According to our NASA/DARPA Apollo era, it seems our moon is
practically dust and meteorite shard free, as well as being mostly
inert and not the least bit physically dark. Instead our moon with

its extremely thick and robust basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 that’s
paramagnetic in addition to hosting a number of surface mascons, is

just another untouchable golden egg treasure trove of potentially
valuable but hidden elements, including carbonado and those valuable
rare-earths and 3He that each have our name plastered allover them.
Even the nifty zero delta-V of its L1 (gravity null) is in of itself
quite valuable as a gateway or oasis/outpost to us, but it’s all
currently worthless because of what our cold war NASA/Apollo and DARPA
era didn’t accomplish and subsequent generations as having been too
snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no return to even care.

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Our moon has a very thick and tough basalt plus carbonado composite as
representing its fused paramagnetic crust of roughly 3.5 g/cm3, plus
significant areas of surface mascons representing somewhat higher
density. With an inverse density going deep within (under that
crust), and that of my suggesting a .1% hollow moon per volume might
represent as little as .075% of its mass. The thick crust could
easily represent as much as 1.25e22 kg. Along with a small iron core
that’s offset by as much as 50% of its radius towards Earth could also
give the average mantel density of something less than 3 g/cm3. Rock
layer porosity could represent another density reduction factor.

Mineral, brine and radiological gassing could provide more than
sufficient inflation pressure, and otherwise semi porous layers could
make for TBM digging a whole lot easier than dealing with its
paramagnetic crust.

Others seem to have their own ideas about our moon and planets that
tidal surface morph, impact rebound and even ring like a bell.
http://www.hollowearththeory.com/articles/impactCraters.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Moon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth

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[HVAC]

On 12/7/2012 1:02 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> Our moon has a very thick and tough basalt plus carbonado

Who cares?

[Painius]

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:21:43 -0500, HVAC <hv...@physisist.net> wrote:

>On 12/7/2012 1:02 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>> Our moon has a very thick and tough basalt plus carbonado
>
>
>Who cares?

The composition of the Moon is important to those scientists who study
the Moon to learn about its origins and its future as a possible
source for many things our children may need.

Of course, since you always lie about your ever being a scientist,
nobody expects *you* to care, poseur. LMFBO !


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and Warm Wishes for the New Year!
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"Light - it can glow and illuminate, or it can glare and obscure."

[Brad Guth]

On Dec 7, 5:58 pm, Painius <starswir...@aol.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:21:43 -0500, HVAC <h...@physisist.net> wrote:
> >On 12/7/2012 1:02 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> >> Our moon has a very thick and tough basalt plus carbonado
>
> >Who cares?
>
> The composition of the Moon is important to those scientists who study
> the Moon to learn about its origins and its future as a possible
> source for many things our children may need.
>
> Of course, since you always lie about your ever being a scientist,
> nobody expects *you* to care, poseur.  LMFBO !
>
> --
> Happy Holidays!
>   and Warm Wishes for the New Year!
> Indelibly yours,

> Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/

> "Light - it can glow and illuminate, or it can glare and obscure."

Whatever's on the surface or inside of that paramagnetic crust, and
otherwise inside of the softer mantel portion could be extremely
valuable and even essential to us. In order to check and quantify on
behalf of exploiting that moon stuff means that at least TBM robotics
have to get deployed on our moon, and for that to happen we'll need a
good fleet of fly-by-rocket landers that don't have fuel limitations
or any stability issues, nor ever affected by electrostatic dust,
ionized sodium, being too cold, too hot or too radiated to death while
accomplishing those missions.

As far as anyone knows, our NASA still doesn't have squat to offer in
support of commercial efforts, and of the supposed expertise they once
had hasn't been around or anywhere to be found for decades.

[Brad Guth]

A 0.1% hollow moon shouldn't be all that unlikely. At least our TBMs
could make that happen by extracting .075% of its internal mass.

[G=EMC^2]

Not likely at all. Nature hates hollow Gravity has to be at the
center. Get the picture TeBet

[Brad Guth]

0.1% is hardly all that "hollow". 5.5e19 kg isn't all that much of
solid material either.

Where the hell did you ever get the idea that our moon was "hollow"?

Are you suggesting that no gasses whatsoever are ever generated within
planets or moons?

Have you never in your life picked up a porous or geode core rock?

Are you also suggesting that lava rills are all packed solid?

Have you never seen any underground and/or underwater caves?

What the hell do you think is under sinkholes before they cave in?

In other words, besides your cranky old age and that sticky keyboard
that you're too lazy and cheap to spend even $5 on a replacement, what
the hell is your problem?

BTW; I just picked up a like-new wireless Microsoft keyboard along
with its wireless mouse that works perfectly fine and dandy, from
Goodwill for $11.

[Brad Guth]

Even at only 2000 psi worth of internal gas and hydrocarbon pressure
that’s available from relatively shallow oil and natural gas wells, as
such can hold up an absolutely terrific amount of otherwise
unsupported bedrock tonnage (especially if that bedrock were
solidified into a dome or as having created a geode gas and brine
filled pocket that’s often populated by those impressive crystal
formations). At 30,000’(9+ km) deep the pressure inside of Earth of
mostly methane gas can easily exceed 10,000 psi (easily 7700 psi at
the wellhead BOP) isn’t at all uncommon because otherwise 25,000 psi
pockets of natural gas with oil below shouldn’t be all that
unexpected, and so it is why a 20,000 psi rated BOP isn’t at all
uncommon, especially with the abiotic forms of hydrocarbons being
created along with the unavoidable creation of helium that’s ongoing.

Do the math on any given km2 area of an unsupported overhead bedrock
dome or gas pocket, and it becomes rather obvious to interpret how a
planet or especially its moon of fused paramagnetic basalt and
carbonado crust that’s extremely tough and 4+ times thicker than the
average 15 km thick and yet tidal flexible and/or broken crust of
Earth, as such can quite easily become 0.1% hollow without even having
to involve any TBM excavations. Personally I’d be surprised if the
volumetric porosity of our moon, that seismic rings like a bell
whenever impacted, were offering as little as .1% hollow.

Of course with methods of fracking we could just as easily make
whatever deep interior water or brines as equally contaminated with
gasses, toxic chemicals and metals as is the case here on Earth, or we
could controllably vent those to the surface (extracting enormous
energy in the process), processing out whatever is of any value
(including 3He) and otherwise just releasing those volumes as vapors
to the hard vacuum of space because, the minimal gravity of that naked
moon sure as hell isn’t going to hold onto most any of those gaseous
elements unless they are heavy gas like radon.

Local geothermal domes of increasing pressure like those found to
exist under Yellowstone shouldn’t be ignored, especially if those
growing domes are full of magma in addition to the enormous gas
pressures that are always attempting to escape, because eventually
that super-volcano with upwards of 6+ miles or 10 km worth of crust
should blow those Yellowstone lithosphere lids clean off the surface
of our planet, pumping 10,000 km3 of the crust and plastic magma onto
the surface and into the atmosphere. Now that sort of event could
become downright problematic, and it’s hardly without having a history
of doing such.

I kind of doubt the planet Venus with all of its active volcanic and
geothermal gas vents is likely to blow off any more steam than it has
been and is currently doing, although the ESA Venus Express team of
astrophysics and science wizards did manage to record a year’s worth
of a spike in sulphur dioxide within the upper atmosphere, that could
only have gotten there by way of another very active volcanic
eruption.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2242164/Could-volcanoes-Venus-spewing-sulphur-dioxide-atmosphere.html
“Venus is covered in hundreds of volcanoes, but whether they remain
active today is much debated, providing an important scientific goal
for researchers studying the planet.
The planet's thick atmosphere contains over a million times more
sulphur dioxide as Earth's. On our own planet almost all the pungent,
toxic gas is generated by volcanic activity.”

“Most of the sulphur dioxide on Venus is hidden below the planet’s
dense upper cloud deck, because the gas is readily destroyed by
sunlight. That means any sulphur dioxide detected in Venus’ upper
atmosphere above the cloud deck must have been recently supplied from
below.”

By way of simply not doing anything is at least saving the current
generation a tonne of our hard earned loot, and putting off the
inevitable risk and subsequent clean-up cost of local resource
depletions and surviving those pesky blow-outs (of natural and man
made) onto future generations that are starting off less educated and
trillions in debt as is, shouldn’t be all that unexpected when that’s
exactly how those in charge of our government have always run things
like this for us in the past and present. Once it happens is when we
get to say all sorts of nasty things about those of us that always
should have known better. Same argument goes for ignoring whatever
our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer.

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Our terrestrial alternatives for sustaining the ever growing human
population with its badly depleted resources and our biodiversity
demise that isn’t currently going all that well, unless continued
proxy and/or externally provoked civil wars are the only future
industry of secure employment with benefits and worthy of investment
profits. So, as for drilling much deeper within our planet and
otherwise allowing deep open pit mining like never before is going to
have to become the mainstream status quo for most of us, and anything
offworld is just going to have to stand by until the local oligarchs
of energy and resources have gotten most every last dime out of us,
maxed out our credit and having overloaded our power grids.

Even at only 2000 psi worth of internal gas and hydrocarbon pressure
that’s available from relatively shallow oil and natural gas wells, as

such can manage to hold up an absolutely terrific amount of otherwise

unsupported bedrock tonnage (especially if that bedrock were
solidified into a dome or as having created a geode gas and brine
filled pocket that’s often populated by those impressive crystal
formations). At 30,000’(9+ km) deep the pressure inside of Earth of

mostly methane gas can easily exceed 10,000 psi (quite easily 7700 psi

at the wellhead BOP) isn’t at all uncommon because otherwise 25,000

psi pockets of natural gas with heavy sour crude oil below shouldn’t

be all that unexpected, and so it is why a 20,000 psi rated BOP isn’t

at all uncommon, especially with those abiotic forms of hydrocarbons

being created along with the unavoidable creation of helium that’s
ongoing.

Doing the math on any given km2 area of an unsupported overhead

bedrock dome or gas pocket, and it becomes rather obvious to interpret
how a planet or especially its moon of fused paramagnetic basalt and
carbonado crust that’s extremely tough and 4+ times thicker than the
average 15 km thick and yet tidal flexible and/or broken crust of
Earth, as such can quite easily become 0.1% hollow without even having
to involve any TBM excavations. Personally I’d be surprised if the

volumetric porosity of our moon that seismic rings like a bell

whenever impacted, were offering as little as .1% hollow.

Of course with methods of fracking at 10,000 psi, plus artificial or
explosive seismic shock impulses, we could just as easily make
whatever deep interior water or brines of our moon as equally
contaminated with most any mix of gasses, toxic chemicals and metals
as is the case right here on Earth, or we could controllably drill and/
or TBM into those pockets and porous layers in order to safely
excavate and vent any such fluids or gas to the surface (extracting
enormous energy in the process), as well as processing out whatever is
of any value (including 3He, He, CO, CO2, O2, H2O along with whatever
abiotic hydrocarbons as well as sodium) or otherwise just releasing
those volumes as raw elements and vapors to the hard vacuum of space
because, the minimal gravity and having no geomagnetic protection of

that naked moon sure as hell isn’t going to hold onto most any of

those gaseous elements unless they are heavy gas like radon, because
not even CO2 is going to stay associated for long once released to
that hard vacuum and the solar wind which at times the moon advances
through at 30+ km/sec that’ll likely extract most every available gas
molecule that isn’t sufficiently bound by gravity or the considerable
electrostatic charge.

Local geothermal domes of increasing pressure like those found to
exist under Yellowstone shouldn’t be ignored, especially if those

growing domes are packed full of magma in addition to the enormous gas

pressures that are always attempting to escape, because eventually
that super-volcano with upwards of 6+ miles or 10 km worth of crust
should blow those Yellowstone lithosphere lids clean off the surface

of our planet, pumping 10,000 km3 of liquefied crust and the plastic
magma onto the surface, and perhaps 10% of that volumetric mass going
into the atmosphere. Now that sort of hellish event could become
downright problematic (aka Warhol “lake of fire”), and it’s hardly
without having a history of doing such, and it’s kinda past due for
another belch, whereas perhaps an antipode trigger from an asteroid
impact shouldn’t be unexpected to frack our planet wide open.

I doubt the planet Venus with all of its active volcanic and

geothermal gas vents is likely to blow off any more steam than it has
been and is currently doing, although the ESA Venus Express team of
astrophysics and science wizards did manage to record a year’s worth
of a spike in sulphur dioxide within the upper atmosphere, that could
only have gotten there by way of another very active volcanic
eruption.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2242164/Could-volcanoes-Venus-spewing-sulphur-dioxide-atmosphere.html
“Venus is covered in hundreds of volcanoes, but whether they remain
active today is much debated, providing an important scientific goal
for researchers studying the planet.
The planet's thick atmosphere contains over a million times more
sulphur dioxide as Earth's. On our own planet almost all the pungent,
toxic gas is generated by volcanic activity.”

“Most of the sulphur dioxide on Venus is hidden below the planet’s
dense upper cloud deck, because the gas is readily destroyed by
sunlight. That means any sulphur dioxide detected in Venus’ upper
atmosphere above the cloud deck must have been recently supplied from
below.”

By way of simply not doing anything is at least saving the current
generation a tonne of our hard earned loot, and putting off the
inevitable risk and subsequent clean-up cost of local resource
depletions and surviving those pesky blow-outs (of natural and man

made), as put onto future generations that are starting off less

educated and trillions in debt as is, shouldn’t be all that unexpected
when that’s exactly how those in charge of our government have always

run such things like this for us in the past and present. Once it

happens is when we get to say all sorts of nasty things about those of

us that always should have known better. Same argument goes for our
mainstream of ignoring whatever our moon and the extremely nearby

[Brad Guth]

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>  https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

According to our NASA/DARPA Apollo era, it seems our moon is rather
monochromatic (colorless and without common minerals that are usually
UV reactive or otherwise detectable) as well as practically dust and
meteorite shard free, and otherwise being mostly inert and not the
least bit physically dark or to any extent of being locally radio
active or gamma and X-ray enough to worry about.

How about instead we learn to appreciate that our moon with its
extremely thick and robust crust of minerals and basalt of 3.5 g/cm3
density that’s paramagnetic in addition to hosting a number of surface
mascons, is just another untouchable golden egg kind of treasure trove

of potentially valuable but hidden elements, including carbonado and

those valuable rare-earths and gasses including the likes of 3He, that
each should have our name plastered allover them. Even the nifty zero

delta-V of its L1 (gravity null) is in of itself quite valuable as

offering a terrific gateway or oasis/outpost to us, but instead of
using it’s considerable energy and its 3e-20 bar (22.5e-18 torr) of
hard vacuum, instead it’s all currently worthless because of what our
cold war NASA/Apollo and DARPA era didn’t accomplish and ot subsequent

generations as having been too snookered and dumbfounded past the
point of no return to even care.

Way back in November 1977, National Geographic ran a very small but
typical NASA infomercial of “Let’s Go to the Moon”, with the closing

line: “This book is illustrated with official NASA photographs in full
color”.

The little eyecandy image associated with this book promotion was that
of an inert colorless moon offering a considerably reflective albedo,
extensively dust free, with excellent surface clumping and/or surface
tension in order to nicely support everything without a hitch, all
recorded by way of using ordinary Kodak film in essentially an
ordinary but quality camera with only the very best unfiltered optics

that oddly had encountered no harsh illumination contrast issues, no

issues of any excessive heat or any sort of local, cosmic or solar

influx radiation or raw electron proton issues to contend with, and

otherwise this continued NASA/Apollo hype implying that they’d gotten
themselves there using a poorly documented fly-by-rocket lander that

had less computer than a Casio watch, employed no powerful momentum

reaction gyros, and their having soft-landed this spacecraft with a

downrange controlled flight as having encountered no stability issues
and otherwise having fuel and payload to spare.

Published as of only 5 years after the Apollo 17 mission, there’s

still no mention of their 100% reliable fly-by-rocket lander

technology, nor that of its perfection performance and its one-off

flawless piloting expertise as of day-1, though to be fair there’s

still nothing that has been made publicly accessible as to explaining
such reliable capability of those mostly manual piloted landers, nor
offering rational explanations as to their extremely good Kodak film,
camera and lens results of such photographics of minimal contrast that
have never been achieved here on Earth with any singular spotlight
source of illumination. Oddly those terrific cameras and their best
available optics prevented their Kodak film from ever recording the
likes of Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus or Mercury, that which at one
time or another had to have been easily viewed above the physically

dark horizon, not to mention Sirius. Of course, even Earth was imaged

as a pastel kind of planet that was never all that large or colorfully

depicted without applied PhotoShop which our NASA/Apollo era used
extensively via special Kodak film magic of that era.

Just for a little fun, here’s Sirius(a), along w/Sirius(c)?
http://necrosarium.deviantart.com/art/The-Star-Sirius-1-273395184
http://necrosarium.deviantart.com/art/The-Star-Sirius-2-273395699
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/universo/esp_sirio07.htm

Oddly when our naked moon gets photographed from Earth, amateurs have

managed to capture those natural surface mineral colors in their

saturated contrasty images of our moon, which look nothing like those
pastel and mostly monochromatic versions provided to us by way of
those Apollo missions that also gave independent scientists nothing of
any interactive instruments to work with. This means there are still
a great many unknowns about our physically dark and paramagnetic moon,
including its unavoidable photographic contrast issues, local plus
solar and cosmic radiation factors, considerable terminator
electrostatic considerations, physical dust and those pesky impacts
from encountering particles in addition to all the raw solar wind of
protons and electrons impacting and/or zooming past at 30+ km/sec, not
to mention those small meteor encounters that have nothing slowing any
of those down or especially for avoiding those encountering the
gravity boosted velocity adding 2.4 km/s to their already fast speed.

The considerable sodium and local gamma was never an issue to our NASA/
Apollo era, and our second moon Cruithne of 5+ km and 1.3e14 kg
(discovered October 10, 1986 and clearly orbital associated as

captured and tidal bound to Earth) of course this one wasn’t even
known at the time of our Apollo era. No wonder Sirius and even the

nearby planet Venus were never spotted from lunar orbit or from any of

its physically dark surface that also had no atmospheric or any other
photographic glaring issues to contend with.

So, there is no question that we’ll need to go to our moon in order to
exploit it and to otherwise utilize its L1 for accomplishing other off-

world missions. Relocating our moon to Earth L1 can wait until 95% of
humanity is systematically culled or becomes naturally extinct due to
resource shortages, global famine and proxy wars due to AGW and the
12+ extra meters of ocean level that’ll drive the lower 95% to fight

for their survival, that of course will be futile considering the
depletion of global resources, greed, hoarding and ongoing skulduggery
by the upper most 0.1% that seldom if ever accomplish any good for the
rest of us.

[Brad Guth]

Commonly known geology proves that bedrock can be porous (especially
of lava formed bedrock), and deep well drilling proves that the
density of our crust doesn't necessarily increase with depth. Geode
hollow rocks do exist, as do caverns of hollow areas within Earth, so
there is no good reason to think that our moon is any different if not
considerably more hollow to start off with.

>  https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

[Brad Guth]

The GRAIL mission is about to end, and still nothing published as to
what the interior of that moon of ours has to offer. It’s as though
we’re being feed miniscule amounts of selective data, as carefully
moderated so that none of it can ever be used to revise one iota of
their Apollo era science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Recovery_and_Interior_Laboratory
Primary objectives
* Map the structure of the lunar crust and lithosphere
* Understand the asymmetric thermal evolution of the Moon
* Determine the subsurface structure of impact basins and the origin
of lunar mascons
* Ascertain the temporal evolution of crustal brecciation and
magmatism
* Constrain the deep interior structure of the Moon
* Place limits on the size of the Moon's inner core

So far, about all we have to show for our public funded investment is
a much better map of surface mascons and a somewhat better guess at
the crustal thickness being roughly 20 km thinner than previously
thought (averaging perhaps 40 km +/- 10 km), plus another thousand km
of lithosphere that probably isn’t the least bit viscous like that of
what Earth has to offer, and its heavy element core of perhaps 350~450
km radius and offset by nearly that same amount in order to offset the
enormous crust mass associated with the far side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GRAIL%27s_gravity_map_of_the_moon.jpg
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/12/nasas-totally-cool-new-moon-maps.html
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-385#6
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/dec/06/grail-mission-peers-beneath-the-moons-fractured-surface

The steady leakage of its helium that keeps 7e3 He/cm3 available
offers an example of what abundance of valuable metals the moon has to
offer.

By comparison: “Jupiter's immense atmosphere consists of about 75%
hydrogen and 25% helium by mass (90% hydrogen and 10% helium by number
of atoms)” might further suggest how its moons that offer little if
any atmosphere were mostly captured and not otherwise made of Jupiter
or that of whatever local process created Jupiter, and this same
analogy should easily apply to those moons of Saturn with especially
Titan that is entirely weird (true mystery moon) beyond any possible
conceptions as to how it ever came to be.

Only a fool thinks their government and its Skull and Bones cabal of
satanic faith-based oligarch leadership has always been up front as
having told us the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Instead
wherever the whole truth can’t be told for whatever reason(s), seems
there’s a common oligarch status-quo policy of applied obfuscation and
extensive compartmentalization utilized in order to protect their
authority and keep as many of their nondisclosure lids on as tightly
as possible.

An interesting little publication “Ideas Discoveries” (iD) that has
actually been around for awhile (part of over 2700 periodicals offered
by the same publisher), puts a few new spins on interpreting history
and current events (including science, technology, nature and social/
political matters) that’ll make some of you wonder about a great many
things we’ve been told or rather indoctrinated to believe in or accept
as is from our peers, as representing their one and only last status-
quo word. In their iD December-January issue covers a number of
worthy topics and considerations that many are likely unaware of, and
should be a little more than surprised to learn of what got us into
this global mess of a dysfunctional republic with the sort of insider
skulduggery, proxy wars and subsequent debt owed to the private
Federal Reserve and a few other nations like China which obviously
have problems of their very own to contend with, without their have to
stir other nations into any frenzy of additional instability.
http://www.ideasanddiscoveries.com/
“iD is a revolutionary science magazine: a perfect balance of
history, science, nature, psychology, and current events, combined
with stunning photography and graphics, put together in a uniquely
compelling way. We're sure you'll love it!”

"ideasanddiscoveries.com" is the interactive online service operated
by Heinrich Bauer Publishing, L.P. ("Bauer") on the World Wide Web of
the Internet, consisting of information services and content provided
by ideasanddiscoveries.com, affiliates of ideasanddiscoveries.com and
other third parties.
http://www.ideasanddiscoveries.com/terms-of-use/
email: ques...@ideasanddiscoveries.com (questions)
http://www.answers.com/topic/bauer-publishing-group

Of who is specifically behind and within iD is somewhat of a need-to-
know mystery, although their context is intriguing enough and worth a
good read if you want to have a broader spectrum of knowledge for
interpreting the past , present and future, instead of simply being
mainstream indoctrinated by your peers, and calling it good.

http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”,GuthVenus
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:

https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146

[Brad Guth]

Because their scheduled orbital decay has not the option of sufficient
retro-thrust nor fuel for any substantial slowing down before impact
(as any true fly-by-rocket lander would have to have), instead they’ll
simply impact at roughly 1.35 km/sec (roughly half escape velocity).
http://now.msn.com/nasa-probe-will-crash-into-moon
“Is this NASA meets Jackass? The space agency will deliberately crash
two probes into the moon on Monday, hitting the rim of a lunar crater
at over 3,000mph.”

http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”,GuthVenus
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#

>  http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/12/nasas-totally-cool-new-m...
>  http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-385#6
>  http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/dec/06/grail-mission-pe...

>  email: questi...@ideasanddiscoveries.com (questions)

>  http://www.answers.com/topic/bauer-publishing-group
>
> Of who is specifically behind and within iD is somewhat of a need-to-
> know mystery, although their context is intriguing enough and worth a
> good read if you want to have a broader spectrum of knowledge for
> interpreting the past , present and future, instead of simply being
> mainstream indoctrinated by your peers, and calling it good.
>
>  http://translate.google.com/#
>  Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
> Venus”,GuthVenus
>  “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:

>  https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

[Brad Guth]

Even though galaxies are mostly(99.9999%) empty space with hardly
anything substantial in between the stars (other than hosting a few
trillions of wandering/nomad planets, planetoids and asteroids),
whereas the next BB will come when our galaxy gets rear-ended by
Andromeda at 300+ km/sec in addition to various retrograde encounters
of 3000+ km/sec, and otherwise having to survive the worse possible
kinds of cosmic energy (vast clouds of ions and magnetic forces) along
with those unavoidably powerful gravity interactions. The outer most
portion of our two galaxies should start morphing and whacking into
one another in a few hundred million years, but even that terrific
show of force will go unnoticed because most if not all of humanity
will have long since expired due to depleted global resources plus
some likely asteroid encounters that'll put a truly deadly end to our
pathetic existence that perhaps shouldn't have happened in the first
place.

Of course we could take logical steps as to relocating our moon to
Earth L1, interactively keeping it there and then we’d all directly
benefit from that form of geoengineering as well as exploiting
whatever the moon itself has to offer.

With sufficient energy most anything becomes doable and a whole lot
better off, because with clean energy that’s safe to use and is kept
affordable makes even the poorest individuals capable of being
healthier, productive and even quite satisfied with whatever little
they have to share, whereas the truly rich and powerful that often
share damn little may individually require an average 100 kw in order
to support and/or sustain their lifestyle of living large, whereas the
poor might consume on average as little as 100 watts in order for them
to remain reasonably satisfied.

Problem is, the energy disparity between the truly rich and poor is
more than a thousand to one, and the global infrastructure for such
energy production and its distribution is horribly inefficient as well
as unreliable, except where it’s concentrated so as to primarily
benefit the middle upper caste and especially catering to the most
rich and powerful, leaving little or nothing available for the poor,
much less offered as affordable energy.

It’s not that we have any global shortage of energy that can be
affordably obtained from hydroelectric, geothermal, wind, solar,
thorium fueled reactors and of course the direct exploitation and
burning of dirty and even toxic hydrocarbons. Of nasty coal, sour oil
and raw natural gas that isn’t fully processed is not only extremely
bad for the environment but is also kept relatively spendy and
otherwise remains quite lethal in more complex ways than most have
been made aware of, especially when the all-inclusive birth to grave
aspects in addition to the ongoing global loss of helium is taken into
account.

So, perhaps going off-world or the much dreaded thought of actually
geoengineering the most affordable long-term solutions as to global
energy and the taming of global warming, is simply too much to ask of
those in charge which so often claim to know all there is to know and
typically do not like to revise or change a damn thing.

The ongoing global cost of extreme weather drought/flood patterns,
nasty storms plus seismic induced trauma, tidal and storm surge damage
combined with excessive erosions plus its wear and tear on most
everything is worth something near 700 billion dollars per year, and
otherwise within the near future with continued global warming and
rising oceans plus increased atmospheric water vapor density is likely
going to start running a tab of more than 7 trillion dollars per year
once we add in the all-inclusive cost for relocation of our city and
agriculture infrastructures to higher ground, as such could be the
final tipping point of peak Earth where more talent and resources are
going into sustaining that mainstream status-quo instead of going into
making our lives any safer and more affordable via technology and
applied physics of better terrestrial and off-world exploitations,
that by rights should include our moon and the extremely nearby planet
Venus.

[Brad Guth]

Perhaps it's a good thing that our moon is only a little bit hollow,
because otherwise too many of us might attempt to go and stay safely
underground. However, if nothing else, that slight hollowness would
provide a truly failsafe kind of place for all the terrestrial seeds
and types of DNA code that future interstellar explorations by distant
ETs from the Andromeda galaxy might find rather interesting, because
instead of our having to seek out whatever ETs, they’ll be headed
towards us at 300+ km/sec.

Even though the somewhat flat and spinning stellar filled disk volume
of galaxies are mostly(99.9999%) empty space with hardly anything
substantial in between the stars (other than each galaxy hosting a few

trillions of wandering/nomad planets, planetoids and asteroids),

whereas the next BB will likely come when our galaxy gets rear-ended,
sliced and diced by Andromeda arriving at 300+ km/sec in addition to
various prograde and retrograde encounters contributing an extra
220~440 km/sec and even encountering some items worthy of 3000 km/sec
differential that could easily eject a solar system from its galaxy
(RX J0822-4300 is already an HVS exiting at a relative velocity of
1500 km/sec, plus there’s at least a thousand others just within our
galaxy and there’s no good reason to believe that Andromeda doesn’t
offer as many), plus otherwise having to survive the worse possible
kinds of cosmic energy (vast star forming nebula clouds of complex
ions and otherwise numerous magnetic forces) along with those
unavoidably powerful gravity interactions as NEOs the size of large
planets whiz past. With any luck, the outer most portion of our two
galaxies should start morphing towards the other and whacking into one
another in a few hundred million years (at most a billion years from
now), but even that terrific show of force and cosmic carnage will go

unnoticed because most if not all of humanity will have long since
expired due to depleted global resources plus some likely asteroid

encounters that'll put a truly deadly end to our pathetic existence of
random happenstance, that perhaps shouldn't have happened in the first
place.

Of course we could always take the necessary and quite logical steps

as to relocating our moon to Earth L1, interactively keeping it there

and then we’d all directly benefit from that very objective form of
geoengineering, as well as exploiting whatever the moon itself has to
offer, along with using its interior as well as its cool L1 (similar
to using Venus L2) as our local oasis/gateway.

With sufficient energy most anything imaginable becomes doable and we
become a whole lot better off, because with clean energy that’s safe

to use and is kept affordable makes even the poorest individuals
capable of being healthier, productive and even quite satisfied with

whatever minimal lifestyle and little possessions they have to share,
whereas the truly rich and powerful that so often demand a whole lot
more than their fair share and seem to share damn little, may
individually require an all-inclusive average of 100 kw in order to

support and/or sustain their lifestyle of living large, whereas the
poor might consume on average as little as 100 watts in order for the

vast majority of them to remain alive and reasonably satisfied.

Problem is, the global energy disparity between the truly rich and the
poor is often more than a thousand to one, and the global

infrastructure for such energy production and its distribution is

simply horribly inefficient as well as unreliable, except where it’s

concentrated so as to primarily benefit the middle upper caste and
especially catering to the most rich and powerful, leaving little or

nothing available for the middle class poor, much less offered as
affordable energy to those which can not hardly afford to keep a basic
roof over their heads. Of course chopping down perfectly good trees
and burning those for their heat and cooking is always an option,
unless you happen to live where no such trees are available, in which
case you get to burn whatever else is available even when it doesn’t
belong to you, because as humans we need a basic amount of energy in
order to survive.

It’s not that we have any global shortage of energy that can be
affordably obtained from hydroelectric, geothermal, wind, solar,
thorium fueled reactors and of course the direct exploitation and

burning of dirty and even toxic laced hydrocarbons. Of nasty coal,

sour oil and raw natural gas that isn’t fully processed is not only

extremely bad for the environment but is also being artificially kept

relatively spendy and otherwise remains quite lethal in more complex
ways than most have been made aware of, especially when the all-
inclusive birth to grave aspects in addition to the ongoing global
loss of helium is taken into account.

So, perhaps going off-world or the much dreaded thought of actually

geoengineering the most affordable long-term solutions as to resolving

global energy and the taming of global warming, is simply too much to
ask of those in charge which so often claim to know all there is to

know and typically do not like to revise or change a damn thing,
especially if it’s only going to cost them any extra amount..

The ongoing global cost of extreme weather including drought/flood
patterns, nasty storms plus seismic induced trauma to go along with

tidal and storm surge damage combined with excessive erosions plus its

wear and tear on most everything we value, is worth something near 700

billion dollars per year, and otherwise within the near future with
continued global warming and rising oceans plus increased atmospheric
water vapor density is likely going to start running a tab of more
than 7 trillion dollars per year once we add in the all-inclusive cost
for relocation of our city and agriculture infrastructures to higher

ground, as such could be the final tipping point of peak Earth,
whereas more talent and resources are going into sustaining that

mainstream status-quo instead of going into making our lives any safer
and more affordable via technology and applied physics of better
terrestrial and off-world exploitations, that by rights should include
our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus.

Our spending 7+ trillion per year extra for sustaining our global
infrastructure and its repairs, including relocations and of course
the ongoing cost of burring the millions of dead per year that
perished from GW+AGW fortified mega-storms in addition to seismic
earthquake trauma issues, and of course rising ocean flooding via
melted ice should at least give my ongoing notion of relocating our
moon to Earth L1 a little better cost worthy perspective of
feasibility, that’s entirely investment worthy (at least on the long
run), unless there is some unexpected natural alternative that’s going
to cool our planet off and help to otherwise take care of us by way of
repairing our environment along with offering an increased supply of
clean energy that’s cheaper, an improved biodiversity plus other food
that’s easier and cheaper to grow, process and distribute, and all
other necessities improved upon at a consumption cost that’s more
reasonable then right now (in other words, offering an economic
deflation era which is going to be about as anti-oligarch or even anti-
Semitic as anything can possibly get).

On the other hand, of these oligarchs getting rid of 94% of us as
found mostly within the lower 99.9% bracket, should also do the trick,
just like specified in those Georgia guide stones.

[Brad Guth]

>  https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
>  http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
>  https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#

The latest estimate via GRAIL as to the crust thickness of our moon,
is that it's thinner than previously thought, which brings us back to
appreciating its potentially inverse density and/or porous or geode
like interior and perhaps hosting a slightly larger core that's a bit
further offset from center, and as having been a little better
insulated than previously thought.

[Brad Guth]

Eventually we’ll have to relocate our moon, as to orbiting it within
the halo of Earth L1. This will not be simple nor without
consequences, although the positives will more than 10:1 outweigh the
negatives even if the moon itself isn’t exploited.

The latest estimate via GRAIL as to the crust thickness of our moon,
is that it's thinner than previously thought, which brings us back to
appreciating its potentially inverse density and/or porous or geode
like interior and perhaps hosting a slightly larger core that's a bit
further offset from center, and as having been a little better
insulated than previously thought.

The GRAIL mission has ended, and still nothing much getting published

as to what the interior of that moon of ours has to offer. It’s as
though we’re being feed miniscule amounts of selective data, as
carefully moderated so that none of it can ever be used to revise one
iota of their Apollo era science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Recovery_and_Interior_Laboratory
Primary objectives
* Map the structure of the lunar crust and lithosphere
* Understand the asymmetric thermal evolution of the Moon
* Determine the subsurface structure of impact basins and the origin
of lunar mascons
* Ascertain the temporal evolution of crustal brecciation and
magmatism
* Constrain the deep interior structure of the Moon
* Place limits on the size of the Moon's inner core

So far, about all we have to show for our public funded investment is
a much better map of surface mascons and a somewhat better guess at
the crustal thickness being roughly 20 km thinner than previously
thought (averaging perhaps 40 km +/- 10 km), plus another thousand km
of lithosphere that probably isn’t the least bit viscous like that of
what Earth has to offer, and its heavy element core of perhaps 350~450

km radius and center offset by nearly that same amount in order to
dynamically compensate for the still thicker and enormous crust mass

associated with the far side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GRAIL%27s_gravity_map_of_the_moon.jpg

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/12/nasas-totally-cool-new-moon-maps.html
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-385#6
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/dec/06/grail-mission-peers-beneath-the-moons-fractured-surface

The steady leakage of its helium that is keeping 7e3 He/cm3 available
offers an example of what abundance of valuable heavy metals the moon
has to offer. The abundance of sodium that’s surface exposed and
subliming away in order to sustain its surrounding 9r atmosphere and
the comet like trail of ionized sodium is also impressive and
indicating as to those other heavier metals that by rights should
exist.

By comparison: “Jupiter's immense atmosphere consists of about 75%
hydrogen and 25% helium by mass (90% hydrogen and 10% helium by number
of atoms)” might further suggest how its moons that offer little if
any atmosphere were mostly captured and not otherwise made of Jupiter
or that of whatever local process created Jupiter, and this same
analogy should easily apply to those moons of Saturn with especially
Titan that is entirely weird (true mystery moon) beyond any possible
conceptions as to how it ever came to be.

Only a fool thinks their government and its Skull and Bones cabal of

satanic faith-based oligarch leadership has always been up front, as

having told us the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Instead
wherever the whole truth can’t be told for whatever reason(s), seems

there’s a common failsafe oligarch status-quo policy of applied

obfuscation and extensive compartmentalization utilized in order to

protect their authority and keep as many of their nondisclosure and
need-to-know lids on as tightly as possible.

email: ques...@ideasanddiscoveries.com (questions)
http://www.answers.com/topic/bauer-publishing-group

Of who is specifically behind and within iD is somewhat of another
need-to-know mystery, although their context is often intriguing

enough and worth a good read if you want to have a broader spectrum of
knowledge for interpreting the past , present and future, instead of
simply being mainstream indoctrinated by your peers, and calling it
good.

http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”,GuthVenus
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:

https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146

[Brad Guth]

>  http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/12/nasas-totally-cool-new-m...
>  http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-385#6
>  http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/dec/06/grail-mission-pe...
>

>  email: questi...@ideasanddiscoveries.com (questions)

>  http://www.answers.com/topic/bauer-publishing-group
>
> Of who is specifically behind and within iD is somewhat of another
> need-to-know mystery, although their context is often intriguing
> enough and worth a good read if you want to have a broader spectrum of
> knowledge for interpreting the past , present and future, instead of
> simply being mainstream indoctrinated by your peers, and calling it
> good.
>
>  http://translate.google.com/#
>  Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
> Venus”,GuthVenus
>  “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:

>  https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...

The relocation of our moon to remain with Earth L1 is not nearly as
insurmountable as our resident ZNR FUD-masters would like us to think.

[Brad Guth]

>  http://translate.google.com/#
>  Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”
>

>  The 0.1~1% hollow moon / Brad Guth

Is there any evidence or objective proof that our moon isn't the least
bit hollow or even porous?

With a somewhat thinner crust as recently reported, it seems entirely
logical that escaping gasses and the continual build-up of internal
gasses as well as fluids could provide for quit a bit of geode pockets
and porous rock, as well as an inverted interior density that TBMs
could more easily deal with.

[Brad Guth]

Gamma spectrometer and their composite image of our moon, indicates as
to all sorts of surface elements that makes our moon extremely
valuable.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/281/5382/1484/F4.expansion
http://forum.worldwindcentral.com/showthread.php?t=20094
Plus lots more if you'd care to look.

[Brad Guth]

>  Plus there's lots more if you'd care to look.

How can a 0.1% hollow moon represent such a mainstream status quo
problem?

A natural and otherwise artificially TBM hollowed out moon would
actually do us (aka future generations) a great deal of good.

[Brad Guth]

Even artificially hollowing out 0.1% of the moon, using a thousand
very big and powerful TBMs shouldn't be all that hard to fathom.
Their spoils processed for valuable elements that get locally
processed, refined and efficiently exported to Earth, would still
leave good sized scrap pile of basalt and carbonado rock and assorted
dust that could be made into extremely tough tether fibers, plus
countless forms of structural internal and surface infrastructure.

[Brad Guth]

> countless forms of structural internal and surface infrastructure.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Back to the top of the pile.

[Brad Guth]

> countless forms of structural internal and surface infrastructure.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The mineral or metal content of our moon is considerable, and there's
no telling how much value is inside of that physically dark sucker.

[Brad Guth]

If there's thorium, then most other elements have to exist on/within
our moon.

[Brad Guth]

Those surface spectrometer obtained details of rare elements and those
mascon issues suggesting that internal activity as well as via
asteroid impacts have created a highly valuable item for us to mine.
With dozens of TBMs hard at work, and safe habitats created,
represents all sorts of mining and processing opportunities within
easy reach, not to mention the enormous value of simply utilizing its
L1 and the easily tethered dipole element that can reach safely to
within 6r of Earth.

[Brad Guth]

Those surface gamma spectrometer details obtained from orbit, giving
us good map of rare elements and a better understanding of those
mascon issues, suggesting that internal activity as well as via
asteroid impacts have created a highly complex and valuable item for
us to mine, whereas with dozens of mostly robotic TBMs hard at work,
and thereby safe underground habitats easily created, represents all

sorts of mining and processing opportunities within easy reach, not to
mention the enormous value of simply utilizing its L1 and the easily

tethered dipole element that can reach from the lunar surface out

safely to within 6r of Earth.

Our NASA and DARPA simply didn't have to fake everything about our
moon, because they only had to fudge a little on those most risky
parts of their Apollo missions that we couldn't safely perform 40+
years ago, as supposedly having so much better capability and
reliability than we can accomplish nowadays, of which the best of
modern fly-by-rocket lander capability offers us a kind of zilch worth
of any viable fly-by-rocket lander that could be deployed and honestly
trusted to perform without a hitch.

However, accomplishing one-way soft or semi-hard landings and
obviously obtaining science via impacting have been technically
doable, as have a limited degree of robotic accomplished deployments
on behalf of assorted science that's unfortunately extremely limited
since nothing of those has ever been established as fully interactive
and as such having never been allowed to be independently accessed and
utilized for the greater good by those outside of NASA, DARPA or even
anything Russian, as for privately obtaining their very own direct and
raw science about the physically dark and naked surface of our
paramagnetic moon remains as strictly nondisclosure/taboo. What
little we know about our moon is 100% derived from the victors of our
mutually perpetrated cold-war era, in that each having numerous
motives, means and opportunity to snooker and dumbfound us into
accepting and obviously paying for everything.

http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#

[Brad Guth]

The inverse density innards of our moon could be .1% hollow as is.

TBMs should have a tough time getting through the mostly paramagnetic basalt crust, although once tunneling inside of that crust, it should become easy going.

[Steve Firth]

Brad Guth <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip guff]

> TBMs should have a tough time getting through the mostly paramagnetic
> basalt crust, although once tunneling inside of that crust, it should become easy going.

No one, but no one is interested in this bollocks.

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[Brad Guth]

And yet you felt compelled to FUD.

[Steve Firth]

Brad Guth <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, July 11, 2013 1:46:27 AM UTC-7, Steve Firth wrote:
>> Brad Guth <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip guff]
>>
>>> TBMs should have a tough time getting through the mostly paramagnetic
>>> basalt crust, although once tunneling inside of that crust, it should become easy going.
>>
>> No one, but no one is interested in this bollocks.

> And yet you felt compelled to FUD.

Oh look it's an idiot from the past. What's up Guff? Have they just undone
the straps on your canvas jacket?

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[Brad Guth]

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 1:45:18 AM UTC-7, Steve Firth wrote:
> Brad Guth <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, July 11, 2013 1:46:27 AM UTC-7, Steve Firth wrote:
>
> >> Brad Guth <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> [snip guff]
>
> >>
>
> >>> TBMs should have a tough time getting through the mostly paramagnetic
>
> >>> basalt crust, although once tunneling inside of that crust, it should become easy going.
>
> >>
>
> >> No one, but no one is interested in this bollocks.
>
>
>
> > And yet you felt compelled to FUD.
>
>
>
> Oh look it's an idiot from the past. What's up Guff? Have they just undone
>
> the straps on your canvas jacket?
>
>
>
> --
>
> <•DarWin><|
>
> _/ _/

Your ZNR certified FUD is noted.

[Brad Guth]

All of the moon bedrock found on Earth (teratonnes of the stuff) is basalt that’s physically dark as coal and paramagnetic), with an average density of 3.5+ g/cm3.

Of course yourself and most others of your Apollo era kind probably don't really care, even if there's more easily accessible gold, platinum, carbonado plus numerous other light, heavy and rare elements than all of Earth, and best of all there are no tree-huggers nor any other environmentalism issues standing in the way of exploiting every last kg of the stuff (much easier than exploiting Venus).

Due to the global biodiversity, the nature of humanity and our existing infrastructure in deed of protection from ourselves and nature, kinda makes a large portion of terrestrial elements as either taboo or simply too spendy and/or too bloody once all the social/political/environmental a a few too many faith-based issues get resolved. Perhaps at best we’ll be able to exploit .1% of what our planet has to offer, whereas the moon can offer access to excavating, processing and exploiting 90+% of its rare and valuable elements. Even though the mass of our moon is only 1/813 that of Earth, it’s internal and surface deposited elements are extremely accessible and fully exploitable with only those spoils and remainders of good results and mostly failsafe spatial values to humanity.

Using the unlimited solar derived energy in order to turn moon rock into a plasma, means getting the most access to those elements (including oxygen and water) is essentially unrestricted and nearly unlimited. Don't suppose you'd have use of any solid tonne of carbonado, or as for creating as many tonnes as you'd like (such as for applications of rock cutting tools, IR optics, ICs and unlimited lengths of continuous fiber for space tethers).

The Earth-moon L1 (LSE-CM/ISS outpost/OASIS/Gateway) is not only providing a truly zero gravity well environment that’s ideally suited for CVD creating as much volume of diamond and other elements as you’d like, but also as providing a truly impressive physics environment for accomplishing all sorts of advance technology.

The eventual orbital relocation of our moon, as for its being utilize as our local star shade while being actively kept within the halo orbit of Earth L1, only makes our moon all the more valuable as an off-world habitat, if not invaluable considering how this would help extend the survivability of our planet in spite of what humanity, nature and the sun keeps doing to our global environment.

[Brad Guth]

Exploiting our moon for all the right reasons of obtaining rare elements and creating off-world habitats that are relatively failsafe, is what the oligarchs and Bilderbergs have been adamantly opposed to, and apparently Bigelow is still NO-FLY classified as a rogue private operator that our NASA, DARPA and those of our oligarch/Bilderberg run MIC simply doesn’t want anything to do with.
http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/ http://www.newspacejournal.com/2013/11/12/bigelow-report-calls-for-use-of-cots-model-for-cislunar-transportation/

Getting those Bigelow COTS into performing as a station-keeping kind of OASIS/gateway (aka space depot/hotel) at the Earth-moon L1 would make for exploiting our moon a whole lot easier and thus more cost effective. Secondly, the relatively cool Venus L2 Gateway/outpost/OASIS is yet another must-do for applying this very same inflated hotel technology, by offering its very own zero gravity-well.

Our physically dark and paramagnetic moon is actually a very good NIR and FIR reflecting item, and otherwise the moon represents a relatively poor UV(ab) reflector, although it certainly gives off X-rays and it even makes for a terrific source of gamma, in that our USAF use it as their calibration target for instruments intended for their precise tracking of airborne nuclear weapons. However, because of the added heat of what our Earth-moon L1 has to contend with, an artificial shade made extensively of PV panels would have to get deployed in order to defend the Earth-moon L1 COTS outpost/gateway/OASIS from excessive solar heating and secondary IR, and to somewhat moderate those pesky X-ray and gamma issues.

The LSE-CM/ISS of my own design would also require a starshade as well as a similar moonshade in order to keep from getting seriously overheated, because otherwise it’ll be 97+% of the time getting directly solar heated plus at least half the time receiving moon IR and most always getting a bit of IR planetshine, because the energy balance of Earth and always the moon can be counted on (in other words, no chance in hell of this Earth-moon L1 ever freezing anything to death).

A 1 km diameter sunshade of 40% PV conversion provides 7.85e5 m2 and 1 MW of clean renewable energy, not to mention conversions of moon and planetshine.

Process to produce cheap Platinum for fuel cells and catalytic convertors
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/moon-society/yIyeHqtvpoU

[Brad Guth]

"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b079dc10-dd29-4701...@googlegroups.com...

The moon doesn�t exactly offer a soft low-density lithophere shell or crust,
other than its thick layers of crystal dry dust that�s likely contaminated
with the likes of platinum, gold and perhaps a few trillion worth of
accessible He3 within the first meters of its dust and bedrock. Instead it
offering a much tougher 3.5 g/cm3 version of a highly paramagnetic form of
fused basalt, plus quite possibly along with a little infused carbonado
mixed in for good measure, because via CVD it really isn�t all that hard to
accomplish such nearly pure carbon crystal growth within such a highly
ionized environment of the hard vacuum offered by our naked moon.



The inverse density innards of our moon could be .1% hollow as is, although
artificially exploiting on this hollow aspect should not be discounted or
media obfuscated.


TBMs should have a tough time initially getting into and moving through the
mostly 3.5+ g/cm3 tough paramagnetic basalt crust, although once tunneling
inside of that crust it should become easy going, even though cutting into
the highly paramagnetic basalt crust of our moon is going to be a daunting
task, although such TBM technology from China and other nations around the
world should not be an insurmountable issue.

[Brad Guth]

The moon doesn�t exactly offer a soft low-density lithosphere shell or

crust, other than its thick layers of crystal dry dust that�s likely
contaminated with the likes of platinum, gold and perhaps a few trillion
worth of accessible He3 within the first meters of its dust and bedrock.

Instead it is offering a much tougher 3.5 g/cm3 version of a highly

paramagnetic form of fused basalt, plus quite possibly along with a little
infused carbonado mixed in for good measure, because via CVD it really isn�t
all that hard to accomplish such nearly pure carbon crystal growth within
such a highly ionized environment of the hard vacuum offered by our naked
moon.

The likely inverse density innards of our moon could be .1% hollow as is,
although artificially exploiting on this hollow or porous aspect should not
have to be discounted or media obfuscated.

TBMs should have a tough time initially getting into and moving through the
mostly 3.5+ g/cm3 tough paramagnetic basalt crust, although once tunneling
inside of that crust it should become easy going, even though cutting into
the highly paramagnetic basalt crust of our moon is going to be a daunting
task, although such TBM technology from China and other nations around the
world should not be an insurmountable issue.

"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b079dc10-dd29-4701...@googlegroups.com...

[Brad Guth]

I figure we are not so likely to expect any actual open sharing of their
supposedly fool-proof kinds of robotic fly-by-rocket technology or ots Jade
Rabbit rover, via any insights of their R&D engineered specs or even
technical insights as to how their lander with its multiple science and
cameras plus a telescope of whatever this China moon mission has to offer,
as somehow functioning within such low energy consumption and apparently
without having encountered any thermal management issues whatsoever, and of
those other little pesky issues of local X-ray and gamma radiation along
with those highly charged local ions in addition to the raw solar wind plus
any live data as to its day/night and earthshine heating factors of the
lunar surface and thereby unavoidably impacting their lander and its
deployed Jade Rabbit, will perhaps all have to be accomplished by some other
future public funded missions that should provide those open channels as to
all of the raw science.

"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l9pu1c$om2$1...@dont-email.me...

[Brad Guth]

Our moon isn't exactly hollow, but more likely porous or of liquid and gas displaced layers or geode pockets that can be identified and exploited.

If little Ceres has a thin atmosphere and otherwise most of its volume as ice that is venting a rarified and likely ionized molecular hydroxide (OH-) form of water that is supposedly venting at 6 kg/sec (189 tonnes/year), then perhaps our considerably massive moon is hiding a reservoir of at least tenfold as much icy hydroxide vapors near its surface, and otherwise sequestered liquids of H2O below the fully solidified basalt surface that is sufficiently fused to hold in most of its helium and of many other heavier gas elements that can be easily exploited as well as their reservoir volume utilized for human habitat potential.

http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/5648/dwarf-planet-ceres-%E2%80%93-a-game-changer-in-the-solar-system

On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:39:53 PM UTC-8, RichA wrote:
> Don't worry. You global warming KOOKS have assured us the Sun has minimal impact on Earth's climate.

Actually, other than the surface as represented by only .0001% of volumetric mass, or roughly a millionth of the terrestrial mass of our planet is what gets solar heated by day, thereby our sun honestly doesn't heat all that much of anything if we are quantifying as based upon taking our whole planet into account.

5.972e24 kg * 1e-6 = 6e18 kg gets directly solar heated at any given moment.

Even if we'd care to suggest .001% or 6e19 kg is solar heated, is still an insignificant mass compared to everything else.

In other words, roughly half of our global surface, including half of its atmospheric mass and half of its ocean surface area down to roughly a hundred meters depth is directly solar heated, whereas on average roughly 10% of the solar influx gets fully absorbed at the daytime surface, whereas pretty much everything else gets heated from the innards and core of our planet that exceeds 6000 K (possibly 6500 K at dead center).

Try to always understand, that once 10+ meters underground it really doesn't matter if it is day or night, and the same analogy goes for any thick layer of ice.

If we suddenly lost the illuminating and heating benefit of our sun, but otherwise held onto our trusty moon, whereas a significant portion of our planet surface would freeze solid, and perhaps only 5% of the surface area due to geothermal upwelling and active tectonic plus seismic and volcanic issues as lunar gravity forced and/or triggered by tidal its forces would remain as unfrozen and continually venting (similar to Io and Ceres). We already know that 7 billion humans can easily manage to create 100 TW of heat as is, and that level could be easily increased with the incentive of being ideally motivated by having only a starlight illuminated planet that's going mostly cryogenic on its interstellar trek, would likely put that AGW value of our thermal energy potential at 1000 TW (easily accomplished with ten thousand failsafe thorium fueled reactors) as added to all the natural thermal upwelling that'll always be taking place, unless our core of thorium get too old and we get rid of our moon.

With the terrific insulation factor of having a km or thicker layer of ice covering 95% of our planet, as such would by itself make our mostly under-ice habitats into tropical saunas, as well as substantially protected from most of those unavoidable impacts. Once having such a thick protective layer of highly insulating ice beats any wussy atmosphere by at least a hundredfold when it comes down to insulating us and our planet from the otherwise cryogenic surface atmosphere with a fluffy blanket of dry ice instead of ordinary snow. Ice caves are seldom if ever below -5C (a lot warmer and even above freezing if there is any extra geothermal or artificial source of heat) even cozy when the outside is -90 C.

Of course the usual flapping butt-cheeks of our mainstream status quo army of naysay FUD-masters could care less, because no matter what, it's never going to be good enough as to providing a suitably kosher environment for their Semitic Goldilocks to frolic in the nude. Apparently ETs are simply not allowed to use applied physics or good science in order to exploit any planet, moon or asteroid.

[Brad Guth]

Better late than never: (though China and India are not going to be pleased) http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/9/5395684/nasa-begins-hunt-for-private-companies-to-mine-the-moon-catalyst

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2449/1
"LEAG states the value of human exploration of the Moon to have four primary benefits:
As an open gateway to the Solar System, where "lunar resources can be used for fuel and life support for operations in Earth-Moon space and for voyages to Mars and beyond."
Enabling new scientific discoveries on the lunar surface to support studies and sample analysis to better determine events within the Solar System and better understand the Moon itself.
Pioneering development of new technologies in hardware and infrastructure to expand commercial involvement that would also provide benefits on Earth.
To promote international partnerships to make accesses to destinations beyond low Earth orbit available to other nations."


Perhaps our NASA can't honestly afford to keep hoarding their public-funded science and the associated technology we've paid for, especially now that China has demonstrated how good they can get their stuff safely deployed onto the lunar surface. However, there's still more than a little something fishy going on.

"Initial proposals are due tomorrow for the Lunar Cargo Transportation and Landing by Soft Touchdown program (CATALYST). One or more private companies will win a contract to build prospecting robots, the first step toward mining the moon."

Not much lead-time for truly independent prospecting types to get in at the start of this, especially when proposals are currently due. No wonder they are finally looking much harder at ways of remaining functional and saving face at the same time.

"FACED WITH A SKELETON BUDGET, THE AGENCY IS LOOKING FOR INNOVATIVE WAYS TO COOPERATE WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR"

Perhaps China finally did a little something that truly represents a competitive threat that our DARPA and NASA understands, they'll finally have to piss or get off the pot, by at least supporting whatever private American investors are willing to risk in order to keep at least one step ahead of China or India, especially if those two combine their resources instead of competing with one another as well as against us.

At this late date and as agency underfunded as well as deeply in debt as we are, it's still unlikely that everything our DARPA, NASA, USAF, Boeing, SpaceX and Bigelow Aerospace combined has to offer is not going to be sufficient when matched up against the disparity motivation of 2.65 billion others that will need those jobs and benefits of off-world exploitation a whole lot worse than us. In other words, they have less to lose and pretty much everything to gain by moving forward, even though by rights we should have had the technological advantage, but only if we can manage to consolidate our best expertise and applied technology as utilized on behalf of benefiting the private exploitation of our moon.

[Brad Guth]

Interesting how this Usenet/newsgroup (uk.media.newspapers) got terminated or excluded/filtered from whatever mainstream media that most of Europe and K-12s get to see.

[Brad Guth]

With our planet thawing out faster than ever, and the lower caste of humanity desiring to live as safe and large as the upper .1% caste of energy and resource hogs, seems we got a few terrestrial problems that are not going to resolve themselves without considerable global inflation (increased wealth disparity) and continued bloodshed via nation destabilizing and subsequent revenge Karma.

To fix at least some of this worsening disparity and put off revenge Karma for those future generations to deal with, the notion of exploiting our trusty moon could go a very long ways toward a geoengineered solution, but only if the oligarchs, Bilderbergs and Rothschilds permit it, because of whomever we elect or appoint really doesn't seem to matter.

[Brad Guth]

Even a .1% hollowed out moon is a considerable amount of failsafe habitat.

Wow, this topic has really nailed this coffin shut.

Are there no Brits with even half a brain?


On Monday, July 21, 2014 2:03:19 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:
> By towing the Moon to LaGrange location L1, which
> is what the Goth is chomping at the bit to do, it will
> present the Earth with a permanent Solar eclipse,
> which in the first week or so will have a drastic
> temperature reducing effect, since it will block almost
> all sunlight.
>
> Within a month or so the oceans will be covered
> by a blanket of sea ice and within a year, even the
> most hardy souls on Earth will have given up the ghost.
>
> Nice work, GuthBall. When it comes to brainfartz, you
> be da man ... you even top brain-dead treBert.
> But I have faith that you'll babble your way out of this one.

Jeez freaking Louise almighty, Hagar (aka our resident redneck moron of alt.astronomy), at least try to do the basic math. Even if your redneck level of math was as absolutely piss poor as you've just demonstrated, we still couldn't block out more than 4% of the sun, not to mention what a little L1 halo orbit modulation could manage to fade that moon in or out in order to suit whatever future geoengineering, on demand. Of course none of this could ever happen quickly, but quick is not necessary in the long and future scheme of protecting our planet and future generations from the sun and otherwise from those of your coal industry kind.

Earth L1 is roughly 3.9 times further away, so the moon which doesn't actually cover all of the sun as for shading all of Earth at any one time as is, as such is going to offer a lot less umbra coverage by something like isolating only 3.5% by performing a solid geoengineered area of solar thermal isolation, by way of essentially blocking and/or diverting that small portion of solar influx. Of course the farside of our moon is going to get seriously roasted, and our planet is going to be continually bombarded by the lunar sodium which I suppose could be somewhat problematic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Eclipse_fromISS_2006-03-29.jpg

http://www.astronomy.com/-/media/Images/News%20and%20Observing/Ask%20Astro/2012/07/Moons-shadow.jpg?mw=600

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solar/imgsol/soleclip.gif

http://books.google.com/books?id=1bTCYR4Mz2cC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=eclipse+umbra+area+km2&source=bl&ots=r3Sl2GL61p&sig=cRGq-qpvSva4YqrYYIl3zbYKCDU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=orDOU5T1Aur7iwKti4HgCw&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

As is the smallest umbra area created near the equator by the moon is just 130 km (81 miles) or 13.3e9 m2 and otherwise "it seldom exceeds 400 km (250 miles)" or 125.7e9 m2. Once that moon is situated at L1, it's umbra will become almost invisible except to specialized instruments, and otherwise its penumbra as being always spred out much larger than Earth, simply because so much of the exposed photosphere (96.5%) as providing our solar influx is still getting through.

As is the moon already blocks sunlight as it orbits so nearby, except that it's never anything regular, and at times it manages to block 126e9 m2, as isolating us from 172 TW while its maximum umbra is covering some portion of our planet. So, it's not as though a constant 3.5% blockage is ever going to turn our whole planet into another ice-age, especially with those of your oligarch kind doing pretty much everything possible in order to artificially pollute and heat up our global environment.

We're never quite sure as to how your redneck home-schooled fuzzy math works, but mine is backed by the hard computational math of what AutoCad or pretty much any cad method has to offer.

The new and greatly improved though little umbra from our moon at L1 is likely to create only the surface penumbra effect, as essentially no actual umbra shadow will be detected from the surface or perhaps not even from orbit. However, those greatly reduced seismic triggers and fewer plate tectonic earthquakes, subsequently reduced volcanic activity and none of those pesky tidal surge issues, by it self is going to be worth several trillion dollars per year. Also, those ocean tides will average at roughly 50% of what we currently get to deal with, and their timing will always be as good as any atomic clock, which should make our coastal terrain a whole lot more productive and far less erosion damaged and thereby infrastructure failsafe compared to the random happenstance of what super-storms and tidal surges have been currently doing to us.

As long as those of your very brown-nosed mainstream kind of the upper .1% caste have no intentions of ever backing off from exploiting and mass consuming hydrocarbons (mostly comprised from coal), we may have little if any future option as for needing to consider using our moon to the fullest extent, on behalf of geoengineering our way out of this mess.

Of course, once that moon is getting actively maintained within the halo orbit of Earth L1, there are all sorts of other global and off-world exploitation advantages to be taken seriously, not to mention our fully exploiting the inverse density innards of our moon from the very get-go of our moving that moon from its current orbit to the interactive one of station-keeping it within L1.

For some reason, only those of your all-white and mostly Semitic kind offer no viable geoengineered solutions, other than continued terrestrial exploiting and consuming a lot more hydrocarbons.

A healthy forest as well as other biodiversity that isn't stressed or otherwise depleted by weather/environment and consumption extremes is nearly always going to produce a balanced environment in-spite of what we human consume and otherwise manage to waste and/or destroy. In order to accommodate the growing human species, and especially those of your mass consuming and global domination kind that'll use any excuse to resolve issues via insider trading plus numerous other skulduggery and proxy wars, future generations as mainstream dumbfounded and fully snookered by those of your kind, will get a much better chance if we move that moon and exploit the hell out of it.

At some point in the near future, our growing consumption of hydrocarbons combined with all other exploited forms of energy, minerals and rare elements, is going to coincide with a nasty solar cycle of extremely powerful CMEs and somewhat unusually higher solar energy outflux, in which case having our moon as continuously blocking 3.5% of that, as well as enhancing our odds of our otherwise failing geomagnetic field deflecting some measurable degree of that nasty solar wind, could be rather nifty.