Phillips tube in Loewe TV?
Scott Wallace
I have just come back from Lewis's in Glasgow where the saleperson in the
monster TV dept. informed me that although the Loewe Xelos 32" TV has fancy
onscreen menus and looks pretty flash the tube is supplied from Phillips and
is the same one as used in the "Cool Green" etc.. TVs. He then directed me
to the Sony 32" WEGA for the same money. Fair enough - it had a better
picture anyway however, he then said that 100Hz TVs have trouble displaying
digitally sourced material ie. DVDs.
Two questions;
Is the Loewe TV using the Phillips tube?
Does a 100Hz TV ruin DVD presentations?
TIA
Scott.
Stephen Casey
> Is the Loewe TV using the Phillips tube?
Apparently, but on side by side comparisons, I think the loewe
is better. It could be that they set it up properly on it's
way out of the factory or something?
> Does a 100Hz TV ruin DVD presentations?
The two levels of digital processing do seem to be a bit of
a problem by all accounts.. But I have only heard it mentioned
in relation to digital broadcasting before..
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Gordon Fraser
catalogue.
Afaik, the reason Loewe tv's have better picture than the Philips models that
use these tubes is because the circuit boards that do the digital processing,
of the analogue aerial signal, are much higher quality than the Philips ones.
We have lots of customers with Sky Digital and DVD's and I have never seen any
problems with these and Loewe tv's. I would say that the picture is best with
NONE of the digital processing turned on though.
Loewe TV's also seem to need a good aerial input to show their best. Once they
are fed a decent signal they are pretty amazing! I haven't been in to John
Lewis yet so I can't comment about their demonstration facilities. I would ask
why they bother to stock the item if they think it is so poor though!
We have a 29" Arcada and 32" Credo on permanent dem in the shop. If you want to
see what a Loewe looks like with DVD then pop in and we'll show you.
Al lthe best,
Gordon
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Richard Hopkins
Scott Wallace <scott....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Two questions;
> Is the Loewe TV using the Phillips tube?
Quite probably. Previous Loewe products have used parts manufactured by
Philips. However, whether the Loewe tube design is used (unmodified) in any
Philips products is rather harder to answer It might be tha that Philip
purpose-manufacture to a Loewe design, but it's more likely that it is the
same tube.
> Does a 100Hz TV ruin DVD presentations?
Not in itself. Some 100Hz sets look great playing DVD (or Digital TV)
sourced material. Others suck. Your best bet would be to audition whatever
TV you're thinking of playing DVD - before you go ahead and buy it...
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Leif Kvernhusvik
>Loewe use Philips tubes. No big secret, its in the spec sheet with the Loewe
>catalogue.
>Afaik, the reason Loewe tv's have better picture than the Philips models that
>use these tubes is because the circuit boards that do the digital processing,
>of the analogue aerial signal, are much higher quality than the Philips ones.
I would agree with this, I used to have a Philips 9113 and compared to
a friends Loewe Arcada, the processing seems much better on the Loewe.
I don't hate 100hz, but for my DVD's I have gone back to 50hz...
Leif
Ivar
Stephen Casey wrote in message ...
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>> Is the Loewe TV using the Phillips tube?
Yes, Loewe uses mainly Philips CRTs, so do many others, Philips is the word
largest manufactures of CRTs. CRTs from Philips or other CRT manufactures
comes in different grades, depending what attributes are important and what
price one is willing to pay. So if not the CRT model number is equal, found
on a sticker somewhere on the tube, it is not the same tube. Maybe the more
expensive Philips TVs and Loewes uses the same CRTs.
Besides the Loewe chassis is one of the best in the industry. I think this
is because it is a small independent manufacturer, which does not have its
own in-house silicon department. Bigger companies like Philips, Sony,
Panasonic, etc, normally have a preference for components made by their own
semiconductor branches. So the designers working for Loewe are freer to
choose components they regard as the best, than the bigger companies are.
Loewe has made high quality, with potential for good picture, if set up
correctly for more than 20 years, and since Barco pulled out of the TV
market probably the best TVs around.
I do not care for TVs, and I do not own any, because I generally think the
picture quality is too bad. I prefer professional TV monitors and CRT
projectors.
The only TVs that have moderately impressed me are the different Loewes.
Their 2x00 chassis is the only one I have manage to track 6500K from 20IRE
to 100IRE +/- one CIE unit, using my Philips, now PTV, color analyzer. One
CIE unit is the least perceivable change of color most trained persons can
perceive, most TVs is somewhere between 20 to 50 times worse.
Like any other "high end" TV the Loewes are stuffed with "features" designed
to kill any remains of picture quality. If you want to evaluate any TV turn
down or better off these picture "enhancers". Also make sure that the TV is
not in "torch" mode, which it normally is at the average TV pusher. Bring
"Video Essentials" and make sure black level ( brightness ) is set correct,
use the needle pulse and PLUGE with gray scale to set the white level
contrast ) so the CRT does not bloom. A blooming CRT is working outside
its linear working range and looks pretty pathetic in my opinion, everything
will be wrong, colors, gray scale tracking, no resolution etc.
>
>Apparently, but on side by side comparisons, I think the loewe
>is better. It could be that they set it up properly on it's
>way out of the factory or something?
The factory setting of a Loewe, out of the box, is about as bad as any other
TV. It is probably just chance. Even if the Loewes are capable of amazing
gray scale tracking, the factory settings are as normal for all TVs far to
blue, and not very linear either. The Loewes have far too much overscan as
delivered from the factory, but this is also easily correctable
>
>> Does a 100Hz TV ruin DVD presentations?
It depends on the TV, some TVs will some will not. The latest generation of
Loewe and the latest generation of high end Philips have quite respectable
100/120Hz processing, they even seem to do some kind of motion detection.
Granted they are no Faroudja, but much better then what is normally fond in
a TV.
Best regards,
Ivar Vikøren.