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Gabbagal

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Sep 9, 2002, 10:43:53 AM9/9/02
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I know there were some high end AV amps that had outputs to support 2 Front
Centre speakers, does anyone have any brands or model nubers I could look
at.

Anyone know of any all singing all dancing amps which may even have 2 centre
pre-outs.

TIA

Gab


ViNNY

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Sep 9, 2002, 10:48:39 AM9/9/02
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Run a Y lead from the single centre pre-out to a stereo power amp.

-Vin


Gabbagal

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Sep 9, 2002, 10:52:44 AM9/9/02
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> Run a Y lead from the single centre pre-out to a stereo power amp.

Appreciated, but was looking for the intergrated option.....

Gab


ViNNY

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Sep 9, 2002, 10:55:40 AM9/9/02
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>
> > Run a Y lead from the single centre pre-out to a stereo power amp.
>
> Appreciated, but was looking for the intergrated option.....

I've never heard of an amp that has power for two centres - I don't think
anyone's ever needed it before..

-Vin


Gabbagal

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Sep 9, 2002, 11:01:09 AM9/9/02
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> I've never heard of an amp that has power for two centres - I don't think
> anyone's ever needed it before..

The only ones I can remember (vaguely) are Onkyo and Denon THX numbers back
in the days before Select and Ultra (and maybe even digital surround), but I
can't find nothing on the 'Net...

From what I remember it gives you a far better "wall of sound" experience
you would find at the cinema, hence the reason for development in the first
place.

Pity these 7.1 Amps for Dual Surround Centre cannot be switched to Dual
Front Centre.

Gab


Tonybro

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Sep 9, 2002, 11:03:34 AM9/9/02
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Hello ViNNY,

Monday, September 9, 2002, 3:48:39 PM, you wrote:

V> Run a Y lead from the single centre pre-out to a stereo power amp.


You beat me to it Vinny!

You can then just connect the two centre speakers to the standard left
and right speaker terminals.....

--
Best regards,

Tony Brookes, Chorley, Lancs

http://www.tonybro.com


Gabbagal

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Sep 9, 2002, 11:13:16 AM9/9/02
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> You can then just connect the two centre speakers to the standard left
> and right speaker terminals.....
>

= Clipping, Overload and the potential to blow speakers.

Gab


Tonybro

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Sep 9, 2002, 11:26:17 AM9/9/02
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Hello Gabbagal,

Monday, September 9, 2002, 4:13:16 PM, you wrote:

G> = Clipping, Overload and the potential to blow speakers.


I think you've misunderstood here!

Using Vinny's suggestion of a Y cable to a stereo power amp - you can
then connect the two centre speakers up to the power amp perfectly
safely as you are feeding the amp with a mono signal so the power amp
will putting the same out to both left and right speaker connections!

Regards,

Dave K

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Sep 9, 2002, 11:45:15 AM9/9/02
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I am sure soon there will be a strip of speakers going 360 degrees around
you , no sooner had I fitted my rears to the wall they announced 6.1 then
7.1 the week after , no doubt the same would happen if I ever upgrade.
Not heard of twin fronts myself though

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Gabbagal

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Sep 9, 2002, 12:01:28 PM9/9/02
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I was really looking for a solution to my current set-up via an integrated
amp.

I hate the sound of centre speakers, and have tried about 10 over 8 years
(including a CC4!) and nothing matches the power and warmth of having two
identical sets of speakers for the front, I have a friend who runs Celestion
A4's in this setup after listening to mine.

TBH, I really think I need to start looking in the US for somehting of this
calibre, because of the sheer room size difference they set up for.

Thanks anyways.

Gab


Gabbagal

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Sep 9, 2002, 12:02:21 PM9/9/02
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> Using Vinny's suggestion of a Y cable to a stereo power amp - you can
> then connect the two centre speakers up to the power amp perfectly
> safely as you are feeding the amp with a mono signal so the power amp
> will putting the same out to both left and right speaker connections!

Appreciated.

Gab

ViNNY

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Sep 9, 2002, 1:49:43 PM9/9/02
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You could go the other way..

There are some (serious) speaker manufacturers who'll supply three identical
speakers for L/C/R - Snell Acoustics for example.

-Vin


Tonybro

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Sep 9, 2002, 1:47:11 PM9/9/02
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Hello Gabbagal,

Monday, September 9, 2002, 5:01:28 PM, you wrote:

G> TBH, I really think I need to start looking in the US for somehting of this
G> calibre, because of the sheer room size difference they set up for.


Don't Onkyo do something like this - a big beast with multiple centre
and sub outputs? Worth looking at/for.

Nutter

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Sep 9, 2002, 2:10:03 PM9/9/02
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The Kenwood 8500 had dual Centre speaker terminals (but no pre outs!).
Fantastic AMP which I have only just recently upgraded to a Denon
AV1-SE. The Kenwood only had Dolby Pro Logic and although it had 5
pre-ins its inbuilt AMPs just didn't cut the mustard.

I still have the AMP in mint condition if anyone is interested in
making me an offer.

Ray.

Matt Crawford

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Sep 10, 2002, 8:45:51 AM9/10/02
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in article alic39$7o5$1...@paris.btinternet.com, Gabbagal at
gabb...@y.a.h.o.o.n.o.d.a.m.n.spam.com wrote on 9/9/02 3:43 pm:

Sony 9000es has 2 centre outputs.

Not sure if the 555 has...it's the same range but newer so might do....Tony?


Oliver Lobley

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Sep 10, 2002, 3:01:29 PM9/10/02
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My Yammy DSP-A1 has two centre outs - as for a while we ran a B&W 6 series
Centre speaker, and used both powered outputs to effectively Bi-Amp it,
although
the results were not great! It also has two line level centre outputs. I
figure that this
'feature' is also present in the AX1 & AZ1, although I'm not sure.

HTH,

O.

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max christoffersen

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Sep 11, 2002, 1:26:31 AM9/11/02
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>> Run a Y lead from the single centre pre-out to a stereo power amp.
>
> Appreciated, but was looking for the intergrated option.....
>
> Gab


Yamaha DSPA-1.

Max Christoffersen

max christoffersen

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Sep 11, 2002, 1:28:28 AM9/11/02
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> My Yammy DSP-A1 has two centre outs - as for a while we ran a B&W 6 series
Centre speaker, and used both powered outputs to effectively Bi-Amp it,
although the results were not great! It also has two line level centre
outputs. I figure that this 'feature' is also present in the AX1 & AZ1,
although I'm not sure. <


No it's not.

I've used both.

They do have centre and Speaker A+B options instead.


Max Christoffersen

Gav

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Sep 11, 2002, 5:19:21 AM9/11/02
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"Gabbagal" <gabb...@y.a.h.o.o.n.o.d.a.m.n.spam.com> wrote in message news:<aligko$d52$1...@paris.btinternet.com>...

> I was really looking for a solution to my current set-up via an integrated
> amp.
>
> I hate the sound of centre speakers, and have tried about 10 over 8 years
> (including a CC4!) and nothing matches the power and warmth of having two
> identical sets of speakers for the front, I have a friend who runs Celestion
> A4's in this setup after listening to mine.

Are you talking about using two speakers instead of one for a
centre - or just ditching them and going with stereo speakers only at
the front and using a 'phantom' centre?

The thing about the centre speaker is that it really *should* be in
the centre in order to anchor the dialogue to the screen - so if you
start using an additional stereo pair instead of a single speaker you
risk ruining the soundstage that was created in the mixing studio. In
the other case, I've never found 'phantom' centres to produce as good
a result as a properly setup centre.

I personally think the getting a good quality centre speaker that
matched the stereo front pair was the best thing I did for my system.
Just be careful to match your centre and stereo pair (using the same
manufacturer is a good start) and all should be well.

> TBH, I really think I need to start looking in the US for somehting of this
> calibre, because of the sheer room size difference they set up for.

Have you considered just buying three identical speakers and
running them as L, C, R ? That should definitely solve your problem
with not liking the sound of the centre.


Gav

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