davis DL450 projector
Mark Rushton
be grateful - especially does it have a proper 16:9 mode? I want to use it
mainly for DVD. Also the price asked is £2300. Is this ok? If you have a
second hand one for sale I will also consider it.
Thanks
Mark
Kenvyn Davies
native 16:9, it blanks off the top and bottom of its display and so ends up
at a lower resolution in 16:9 mode. There are very few native 16:9 ratio
projectors available (they are listed at www.projectorcentral.com) and -
obviously - cut off the left and right of the image to display 4:3.
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A.Hodgkinson
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> Hi, I am considering getting one of these. If anyone has information
> I would be grateful - especially does it have a proper 16:9 mode? I
> want to use it mainly for DVD. Also the price asked is £2300. Is
> this ok? If you have a second hand one for sale I will also consider
> it.
Older models of the DL450 had no 16:9 mode. Newer ones do. It's just
a software update. All the projector does is remove every fourth
picture line, just like a DVD player downconverting an anamorphic
image for a TV with no true 16:9 capability. The projector *may* do
a higher quality filtered downconverson, but either way, you don't
see a proper high resolution 16:9 image on screen. I believe,
however, that Davis can sell an anamorphic *lens* to provide you
with true 16:9, though obviously you'd need to swap lenses when
changing between anamorphic and non-anamorphic sources.
I've also looked at the Davis DL-S8. Its colour balance seemed to be
considerably better than the 450 (though it still tended towards the
magenta on skin tones) and the fan was a lot quieter, so if you can
afford it, give it serious consideration.
In the Davis range, the Cinema One is, AFAIK, the lowest model with
proper 16:9 support. This is possible because the DLP chip is
1024x768 resolution, as opposed to the 800x600 of the 450 and S8.
The high resolution is, unfortunately, reflected in the price...
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David Perry
<andrew.h...@pace.co.uk> writes:
>In the Davis range, the Cinema One is, AFAIK, the lowest model with
>proper 16:9 support. This is possible because the DLP chip is
>1024x768 resolution, as opposed to the 800x600 of the 450 and S8.
The Cinema One has a 800x600 4:3 DMD panel and although has a 16:9 mode it
cannot realise the full anamorphic resolution within the 16:9 area of the 600
pixel vertical resolution. Also, as far as I can tell, it has no scaling
feature with video inputs. The pixels for a video input will be mapped 1:1,
for NTSC DVD for instance the active pixel area on the DMD panel will only be
640x480. You will only be able to fill the 800x600 DMD panel if you use the
SVGA input.
The next closest model with better features from Davis is the DP-X16. It has a
XGA DMD panel at 1024x768, a 16:9 mode, will scale all inputs as necessary and
is brighter at 1000ANSI Lumens.
David J Perry
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A.Hodgkinson
<URL:mailto:dperr...@aol.com.NJM> wrote:
> In article <ant01130...@ether228.cam.pace.co.uk>, "A.Hodgkinson"
> <andrew.h...@pace.co.uk> writes:
>
> > In the Davis range, the Cinema One is, AFAIK, the lowest model with
> > proper 16:9 support. This is possible because the DLP chip is
> > 1024x768 resolution, as opposed to the 800x600 of the 450 and S8.
>
> The Cinema One has a 800x600 4:3 DMD panel and although has a 16:9
> mode it cannot realise the full anamorphic resolution within the
> 16:9 area of the 600 pixel vertical resolution. [...]
That's hopeless. Having just checked the Davis web site, you're
quite right, it's 800x600. Makes me wonder just why exactly anyone
would buy a Cinema One over an S8. Better colour rendition / quieter
yet again, or something?
> The next closest model with better features from Davis is the
> DP-X16. It has a XGA DMD panel at 1024x768, a 16:9 mode, will scale
> all inputs as necessary and is brighter at 1000ANSI Lumens.
I'd settle for less bright but quieter, but I can't afford either in
any case so it's a moot point. The lack of scaling of video inputs
on the S8 is, by the way, surely an upside? I don't want
upconversion artifacts any more than I want downconversion problems.
It is said, of course, that the Only Way To Go with a projector is
to feed it with a matched resolution progressive source (read,
multiple of 24Hz screen mode on a PC with DVD decode capabilities).
Mark Rushton
best for very little money. The only one I know for sure is proper
widescreen is the new Sony at Ł5000. No way can I afford that. What are your
ideas for a best buy at around Ł2000. I have found the Davis at Ł2100.
mark
A.Hodgkinson
<URL:mailto:Ma...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
Ignoring the 2nd hand market, your budget limits you to the DL450.
I would personally choose DLP over LCD units as DLP has many
advantages, but the 450 is quite an old hardware design now which
may mean it doesn't compare so well against brand new LCD
projectors.
Assuming you're dead set on a projector - I was myself, but the cost
and 16:9 issues, coupled with house moving leaving less money to
spend, meant I ended up with a 32" Panasonic PK1 - then what about
RPTVs instead of front projection?
Mark Rushton
at work, and being able to move it to another house easily. The other thing
is I would like a picture at least 58 inches in diagonal, and this would be
very expensive in RP, and I would be stuck with that size.
I am considering second hand as it would enable me to dip my toe into the
water without spending loads of money.
thanks
mark
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chris squire
Mark Rushton wrote:
>
> Thanks for information. I really don't know what to do. I guess I want the
> best for very little money. The only one I know for sure is proper
> widescreen is the new Sony at Ł5000. No way can I afford that. What are your
> ideas for a best buy at around Ł2000. I have found the Davis at Ł2100.
> mark
I would say go for the Davis DLS8. It has noticeably better colour than
the DL450 (IMO). The DLS8 can (could ?) be picked up for Ł2100 + vat -
try furlong services in hull, or creative station in guildford. like
you, the Sony ruled itself out of my options on price, but of the
options around Ł2500 I thought the DLS8 had the best picture. Book some
demos and see for yourself.
HTH,
Chris.
Kenvyn Davies
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"chris squire" <chris....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Mark,
>
> Mark Rushton wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for information. I really don't know what to do. I guess I want
the
> > best for very little money. The only one I know for sure is proper
> > widescreen is the new Sony at £5000. No way can I afford that. What are
your
> > ideas for a best buy at around £2000. I have found the Davis at £2100.
> > mark
>
> I would say go for the Davis DLS8. It has noticeably better colour than
> the DL450 (IMO). The DLS8 can (could ?) be picked up for £2100 + vat -
> try furlong services in hull, or creative station in guildford. like
> you, the Sony ruled itself out of my options on price, but of the
> options around £2500 I thought the DLS8 had the best picture. Book some
Christoph Lehner
> I guess I want the
> best for very little money.
If that is the case, get yourself a PC with enough horse power, a
GeForce based graphics card and a software player like Power DVD to
drive your DL450 or any similar projector (Cinema One e.g.) you will be
blown away by the film like quality of your projection.
Cheers
Christoph
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A.Hodgkinson
<URL:mailto:krda...@ivojo.co.uk> wrote:
> Am I being a bit of a git telling you we sell the DLS8 for £1909+VAT?
Well, I certainly I wish you'd told me before I got the widescreen
telly...!
The good news is, a blantant Usenet plug ;-) has just led to a web
site reaching my hotlist for future reference, which is probably a
first.
Mark Rushton
be the other way around. My pc is only a K6-2 400. Will that do?
mark
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Kenvyn Davies
a bit of a break. Just happened to read the message about the 450 a couple
of days after subscribing to the group.
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Barry Pascolutti
> Christoph Lehner <berl...@myokay.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > If that is the case, get yourself a PC with enough horse power, a
> > GeForce based graphics card and a software player like Power DVD to
> > drive your DL450 or any similar projector (Cinema One e.g.) you will be
> > blown away by the film like quality of your projection.
> >
> Why is a pc based system better than a stand alone DVD? I thought it would
> be the other way around. My pc is only a K6-2 400. Will that do?
> mark
There was a very long thread about a month or so ago that went into this in
great depth. I suggest you go to Deja and do a search for the 'Which
projector?" thread. It's got all your answers and more besides!
Enjoy,
Baz.
Phil
to using a HTPC (K6-500 with ATI All In Wonder) along with my Davis
DL-450 I have to say I agree with what Christoph wrote. The picture is
better and there are much less artifacts, particularly on vertical
pans with 16:9 pictures. The only downside is that the colour is not
quite as good in my opinion, but I choose the HTPC over the DV6060
everytime now.
Another point to note is that the Davis shows video sources in a
window of around 700 x 550 pixels, but the full 800 x 600 is used with
a PC.
Either way, its a great projector and I love mine!
berl...@myokay.net (Christoph Lehner) wrote:
>Mark Rushton <Ma...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> Why is a pc based system better than a stand alone DVD? I thought it would
>> be the other way around. My pc is only a K6-2 400. Will that do?
>
>A HTPC is capable of
>
>- outputting progressive scan signals
>- optimally scaling signals as necessary for 800x600 downconversion for
>the Davis projectors
>
>With a normal desktop player you will end up with horrible artifacts
>like stairs and interlace flickering that is noticable with large
>screens that can be typically filled with FPTVs. If you want further
>advice on these issues go to www.avsforum.com.
>
>As for your question whether a 400 MHz PC will do? Most veterans in the
>HTPC business recommend 550 Mhz minimum for software decoding. I myself
>have not tried with less than that. I have a 600MHz PIII with 128MB Ram
>and an Elsa Erazor GeForce card. The result is amazing...
>
>HTH
>
>Christoph
- Phil -
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Christoph Lehner
> The only downside is that the colour is not
> quite as good in my opinion, but I choose the HTPC over the DV6060
> everytime now.
Phil,
what do you mean? When I saw the colours of my HTPC I just could not
believe how well defined and saturated they were. Red suddenly becomes
red instead of this muddy brown one is used to with desktop players at
FPTVs. I am using a Cinema One instead of an DL450, but I don't think
there is so much difference with respect to the colours.
Phil
>what do you mean? When I saw the colours of my HTPC I just could not
>believe how well defined and saturated they were.
The colour is good, but it is slightly gold or yellor-green. Only a
little bit. I think the other Davis projectors have an improved colour
wheel. I can probably compensate for it by making adjustments on the
PC, but I haven't tried that yet.
- Phil -
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