Buying a subwoofer from abroad unheard (serious post)
Patrick Navin
twin PSW1000.2's that I use with my Kef Eggs, to a single larger sub
with more oomph.
The reasons for this are that, since I laid a wood floor in my room, the
sub response has diminished a little, necessitating increasing the ouput
of the subs, but I still think they are struggling to deliver the same
slam they delivered ona carpeted floor.
Not wanting to emulate Nathan, but inevitably I've seen a US sub (and I
have to agree with Nath that the Yanks know subs and amplification) that
I fancy but wont be able to get over there to listen to it within the
next few months. Is it really viable to buy a sub unheard?
I know the brand very well - I have their AV receiver the 1050, which is
s simply stunning performer through use of high quality ouput stages and
simple fuss free processing - but is this a fool's errand?
The sub is this one:
http://www.outlawaudio.com//products/lfm1_gallery.html
not pretty - but then US AV gear rarely is.
--
Patrick
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technical thingie grabber -or something" - un-named Video capture 'expert'
Robin
this is going to cost a lot to ship 58lbs plus packing, then have it
converted (or use transformer) for 240v
the rels come up quite often on the 2nd hand market, they are great (or buy
new).
my 2 pence worth.
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Nath
"Patrick Navin" <me...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> twin PSW1000.2's that I use with my Kef Eggs, to a single larger sub
> with more oomph.
> The reasons for this are that, since I laid a wood floor in my room, the
> sub response has diminished a little, necessitating increasing the ouput
> of the subs, but I still think they are struggling to deliver the same
> slam they delivered ona carpeted floor.
> Not wanting to emulate Nathan, but inevitably I've seen a US sub (and I
> have to agree with Nath that the Yanks know subs and amplification) that
> I fancy but wont be able to get over there to listen to it within the
> next few months. Is it really viable to buy a sub unheard?
> I know the brand very well - I have their AV receiver the 1050, which is
> s simply stunning performer through use of high quality ouput stages and
> simple fuss free processing - but is this a fool's errand?
>
> The sub is this one:
> http://www.outlawaudio.com//products/lfm1_gallery.html
>
> not pretty - but then US AV gear rarely is.
>
>
> --
> Patrick
If the company already has a exportation procedure then it should go quite
quickly. You already have imported another Outlaw bit of kit- did you just
order it (Bax?) picked it up, flown/shipped over, sent to your nearest
airport- then you rang the UK warehouse of the delivery company (ie Bax,
UPS, Fed Ex etc) then arrange a delivery date? and then pay for customs &
duty. Make sure you do factory to door (not factory to airport) otherwise
you'll have to set yourself up as a importer (expensive charge)
How are Outlaw customer service? That is probably the most important. If a
company has the usual CS level- shit (and it arrives faulty) it could be
expensive returning the part, and paying for postage for a replacement. I
know SVS sent out a replacement amp panel FOC for a UK customer, and paid
postage for the returned panel. They didn't have to do that.
That's why I harp on about SVS, it's not just the subwoofer- it's customer
service as well. Just go to a few American forums and browse SVS comments.
Looks a good subwoofer- similar wattage BASH amp as the SVS PCi range. I
guess the PB1 box and PCi would be in your price range ($600) and very
similar- 12", 325W BASH, although cylinders have higher volume, cheaper &
easier to produce enclosure- no bracing reg. (therefore money spent
elseware) That Outlaw is tuned to 25hz (like the SVS box subs) due to excess
size a 16 or 20hz box subwoofer will require (meaning it'll end up too big,
and too expensive)
Shipping for my SVS was $130, with Bax adding £10 admin charge.
I would search for comments of Outlaw subwoofer owners, who've also owned
great subs- Velodyne HGS, and also owners with your Paradigm subwoofer- that
sort of thing. At least comments from them mean something- ie better than
this "I've never owned a subwoofer before, this Yamaha YST-40W is
fantastic!!! It shakes the room" that sort of thing.
You don't have to emulate me- you could buy two SVS B4 Plus's. Why not
consider a SVS 20-39 PC Plus- around £730 all in? That way you will
understand what I'm talking about.
The only way I bought my SVS unheard is because I've read of people with the
same Rel as me who upgraded to a SVS (either PCi, PC Plus, 16/20/25hz models
and they've ALL said of a improvement) And compared it similar to a HGS-15.
(subs with at least 25hz extension)
SVS 20-39cs ~ 109.5dB (25hz)
(subs with at least 31hz extension)
Paradigm PW2200 ~ 108.0dB (28hz)
Paradigm servo15 ~ 107.3dB (27hz)
Paradigm PDR12 ~ 98dB (50hz)
Paradigm pdr-8 ~91.4dB (46hz)
Nath
"Robin" <news.at.@.at.bonathan.dot.com> wrote in message
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> looks like the rel subs
>
> this is going to cost a lot to ship 58lbs plus packing, then have it
> converted (or use transformer) for 240v
>
> the rels come up quite often on the 2nd hand market, they are great (or
buy
> new).
>
> my 2 pence worth.
The outlaw is a ported sub (which helps efficiency) $600- probably £550 all
in UK price. Rel subs around £500-£600 don't have a 325W amp. The Rel Q150
only has a 150W amp, is sealed box (is not enough, sealed box require tons
of power)
The BASH amps have a internal jumper to switch voltage (like my SVS Bash
amp) therefore no external step down is needed.
Rel's were great for hi-fi, but not anymore for AV use. My Storm doesn't
cope. They are overpriced now, compared to SVS and a few other select
companies.
Nath
did it. :-D
Has that Outlaw got a sub sonic filter? If you know anything what this does
(removes frequencies below the port tune)- it really is needed on ported
subs, as it allows higher SPL, lower distortion at these levels, and reduces
port chuffing/possiblity of driver bottoming out.
Patrick Navin
I know how to import stuff cheers Nathan, my first ever job after the
RAF was as an importation admin.
>
> How are Outlaw customer service? That is probably the most important. If a
> company has the usual CS level- shit (and it arrives faulty) it could be
> expensive returning the part, and paying for postage for a replacement. I
> know SVS sent out a replacement amp panel FOC for a UK customer, and paid
> postage for the returned panel. They didn't have to do that.
Outlaw have a fantastic reputation for customer service.
>
> That's why I harp on about SVS, it's not just the subwoofer- it's customer
> service as well. Just go to a few American forums and browse SVS comments.
>
> Looks a good subwoofer- similar wattage BASH amp as the SVS PCi range. I
> guess the PB1 box and PCi would be in your price range ($600) and very
> similar- 12", 325W BASH, although cylinders have higher volume, cheaper &
> easier to produce enclosure- no bracing reg. (therefore money spent
> elseware) That Outlaw is tuned to 25hz (like the SVS box subs) due to excess
> size a 16 or 20hz box subwoofer will require (meaning it'll end up too big,
> and too expensive)
>
My 'price range' is whatever i want to spend. Don't sonfuse it with the
price range of the kit I'm looking at.
The Outlaw appeals because A: Outlaw make phenomenally good products -
the 1050 AV receiver was voted best Av receiver under $1500 by at least
3 US magazines, even though it only retailed (direct only - no
distributor markup) at $599. They then dropped the price to $499!
> Shipping for my SVS was $130, with Bax adding £10 admin charge.
>
> I would search for comments of Outlaw subwoofer owners, who've also owned
> great subs- Velodyne HGS, and also owners with your Paradigm subwoofer- that
> sort of thing. At least comments from them mean something- ie better than
> this "I've never owned a subwoofer before, this Yamaha YST-40W is
> fantastic!!! It shakes the room" that sort of thing.
Difficult one, the Outlaw is not yet available. As one of Outlaw's very
first customers ever for the 1050 I can get a substantial discount on
the sub - no point in paying $599 if I can pay $299.
>
> You don't have to emulate me- you could buy two SVS B4 Plus's. Why not
> consider a SVS 20-39 PC Plus- around £730 all in? That way you will
> understand what I'm talking about.
I don't want an SVS - I don't know the brand. The only person I've ever
heard talk about them is you - no offence - but there's only one of you.
That aside I don't want 2 subs - space is an issue. As for knowing what
you're talking about - I never know what you're talking about Nathan ;)
>
> The only way I bought my SVS unheard is because I've read of people with the
> same Rel as me who upgraded to a SVS (either PCi, PC Plus, 16/20/25hz models
> and they've ALL said of a improvement) And compared it similar to a HGS-15.
>
I tend to try and make my decisions based on my own ears. Much as I love
the idea of the Outlaw sub, I'm very very concerned about buying
something unheard.
>
> (subs with at least 25hz extension)
> SVS 20-39cs ~ 109.5dB (25hz)
>
> (subs with at least 31hz extension)
> Paradigm PW2200 ~ 108.0dB (28hz)
> Paradigm servo15 ~ 107.3dB (27hz)
> Paradigm PDR12 ~ 98dB (50hz)
> Paradigm pdr-8 ~91.4dB (46hz)
Extension is only a relatively small part of what makes a sub though.
You can't judge a sub purely by how low it goes.
--
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Nath
> price range of the kit I'm looking at.
SVS B4 Ultra (not yet out) with a Crown K2? :-D
> I don't want an SVS - I don't know the brand. The only person I've ever
> heard talk about them is you - no offence - but there's only one of you.
> That aside I don't want 2 subs - space is an issue. As for knowing what
> you're talking about - I never know what you're talking about Nathan ;)
I didn't know the brand either- I thought they were hype- and my Rel was
better. So did my dealer (I saw the high number of posts on the US forums,
and saw these as hype) My dealer now think's it's better than a M&K MX-350
Mark II and similar to a Rel Studio.
People have compared the Velodyne CHT-15 to the PC Plus, again praising the
SVS over the Velo.
There are hundreds of comments, dozens of threads on the American forums.
That's what got me interested in that subwoofer brand. I've read one from a
M&K to SVS upgrader (MX-5000 to CS-Ultra's) All I can say it's better than a
Rel Q100E (RRP of £500) and a Rel Storm (RRP of £700).
> I tend to try and make my decisions based on my own ears. Much as I love
> the idea of the Outlaw sub, I'm very very concerned about buying
> something unheard.
Same here. It was a risk. I would wait until people have commented about
that subwoofer- or any other subwoofer you're interested in.
> Extension is only a relatively small part of what makes a sub though.
> You can't judge a sub purely by how low it goes.
True, but the figurse also gives how low, how loud and all within 10% THD.
Note my PC Plus isn't in that listing- only the old CS. Lesser quality
driver, lower powered amp, single port only. I wish Tom Noisane tests the
newer SVS's, and some Rels too. Why not read a few reviews on SVS
subwoofers? (google search)
Read this review comparing the Velodyne HGS-18 and CS-Ultra package (plus
some others)
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_4/subwoofers-12-2001.html
and the top of the range B4 Plus
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_10_3/svs-b4-subwoofer-9-2003.html
Nath
http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_boxes.htm
I've been hearing of SVS appointing a UK dealer for a while now.. if that
happens expect prices to rise. But at least you'll have the chance to demo
one.
Jag
Patrick Navin wrote:
> In order to add more bite to my system I'm looking at upgrading from my
> twin PSW1000.2's that I use with my Kef Eggs, to a single larger sub
> with more oomph.
> The reasons for this are that, since I laid a wood floor in my room, the
> sub response has diminished a little, necessitating increasing the ouput
> of the subs, but I still think they are struggling to deliver the same
> slam they delivered ona carpeted floor.
> Not wanting to emulate Nathan, but inevitably I've seen a US sub (and I
> have to agree with Nath that the Yanks know subs and amplification) that
> I fancy but wont be able to get over there to listen to it within the
> next few months. Is it really viable to buy a sub unheard?
> I know the brand very well - I have their AV receiver the 1050, which is
> s simply stunning performer through use of high quality ouput stages and
> simple fuss free processing - but is this a fool's errand?
>
> The sub is this one:
> http://www.outlawaudio.com//products/lfm1_gallery.html
>
> not pretty - but then US AV gear rarely is.
>
>
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"Jag" <j...@uv.net> wrote in message news:3FD64B41...@uv.net...
> SVS Get yourself one of them from svsubwoofer.com
I'm afraid he won't. Because I got one.
He's too proud to do that.
Patrick Navin
What rubbish. I have indeed considered an SVS. My main concern is buying
*anything* unheard.
Don't dare to attribute motives to me Nathan - you do that a lot, I seem
to remember you telling me I bought Macs because of their looks, bought
Kef Eggs because magazines said they were 'cool' and bought my LCD TV
because I've got too much money. It amazes me that you can be so
arrogant as to believe you know what drives me.
You have no social graces Mr. Marsh. Such a shame given that your
knowledge of subs and RPTVs is pretty good.
Nath
> arrogant as to believe you know what drives me.
Insanity?
Patrick Navin
Pop next door and ask Mrs Crossley to make you a cuppa, or maybe if
she's not in Mrs Trimble will ;)
You need to calm down.
Nath
>
> --
> Patrick
Eh eh? :-)
Anyway, which SVS subwoofer would you consider buying?
Patrick Navin
I'm not gonna discuss it with you because you have no objectivity
Nathan. If you were less of a prick I'd consider asking your advice and
getting your opinion, but you seem to have difficulty with your social
skills.
Nath
> Nathan. If you were less of a prick I'd consider asking your advice and
> getting your opinion, but you seem to have difficulty with your social
> skills.
>
> --
> Patrick
What's that got to do with anything? I think you're a pillock too, but still
read your posts. Even Max's. Not the one's argueing with Kurt/Stewart
though..
Maybe if you mention what you need the sub for (hifi, AV) more intereted in
SPL output, or low-end.. floorspace allowance, budget etc..
Patrick Navin
>>I'm not gonna discuss it with you because you have no objectivity
>>Nathan. If you were less of a prick I'd consider asking your advice and
>>getting your opinion, but you seem to have difficulty with your social
>>skills.
>>
>>--
>>Patrick
>
>
> What's that got to do with anything? I think you're a pillock too, but still
> read your posts. Even Max's. Not the one's argueing with Kurt/Stewart
> though..
It's to do with everything Nathan. If someone asks a question about an
AV amp for £300 you say "spend more for quality" - same as if someone
asks about subs. You just knock gear and blindly recommend SVS. The more
I read of your stuff the more I start to believe you're either a kid of
about 16 or a twentysomething who still acts 16.
If you want a genuine discussion about subs or AV then you need to let
go of the "send more for quality" rubbish. If someone says their budget
is £500 then by all means reccomend whatever kit you like, but do it
within te budget they've asked for - otherwise your answer is completely
unhelpful.
I fail to see why you don't understand this.
>
> Maybe if you mention what you need the sub for (hifi, AV) more intereted in
> SPL output, or low-end.. floorspace allowance, budget etc..
Irrelevant now as I've decided not to buy unheard.
Nathan - did you see an Apex DVD player catch fire?
--
Patrick
"De-Correction is one of the THX mumbo jumbo thingy mi jig, as will as
tonal correction, bass management, Re-Eq.
Checkout the THX site" an AV 'expert', yesterday.
Nath
Your loss.
Patrick Navin
>>Irrelevant now as I've decided not to buy unheard.
>
>
> Your loss.
>
>
How is it my loss? It'd be a bigger loss to buy an SVS or Outlaw unheard
only to discover I don't like it. Surely even you can see that?
I'm certainly not going to go buying a £500 sub on the recommendation of
someone who, until January 2003 didn't know what top-posting was and who
can't make a statement about Av gear without the prefix "My dealer says..".
So about that Apple Macintosh you claimed to have used, you know, the
one with the 'foibles'. What was it and what were the foibles? I'm
genuinely interested to know. you've proved you *are* knowledgeable
about subwoofers and RPTVs, now prove that your anti-Mac statements
aren't just trolling.
Nath
> only to discover I don't like it. Surely even you can see that?
Yes I can. But sometimes you have to take a risk. OK it may pay off, it may
not. It it does you'll have a huge upgrade. If not sell it off a loose a
hundred quid.
If you saw a brand new, with warranty Velodyne HGS-18 for £1000, but on one
condition you couldn't demo it. Would you buy it?
Surely one of the world's best subs doesn't need any second-doubting it's
performance, and whether it's worth it if you have a lesser sub (ie Rel
Q150)
Perhaps if you weren't such a twat someone would invite you round to demo a
SVS.
Quite a few people have SVS's on avforums.. loads on home theatre forum, and
avsforum. Why not read up on some comments first? Surely if there are 100+
comments from owners of (your) sub to a a better SVS or whatever, this at
least will help with your decision.
Patrick Navin
>>How is it my loss? It'd be a bigger loss to buy an SVS or Outlaw unheard
>>only to discover I don't like it. Surely even you can see that?
>
>
> Yes I can. But sometimes you have to take a risk. OK it may pay off, it may
> not. It it does you'll have a huge upgrade. If not sell it off a loose a
> hundred quid.
Why lose a hundred quid when I can go to a local dealer, demo a really
excellent sub and be happy with my purchase? What's the point? All I
want is a subwoofer, not a gamble.
>
> If you saw a brand new, with warranty Velodyne HGS-18 for £1000, but on one
> condition you couldn't demo it. Would you buy it?
>
Of course not. If i can't demo it I can't even verify that it works.
Maybe you can chuck £1000 down the drain Nathan (though I doubt it) but
I can't - no matter what you think. I wouldn't buy AV unseen or unheard
- it doesn't make sense. Plus the HGS-18 is not likely to be suited to
my system - massive overkill - nor would I spend £1k on a sub pure and
simple.
> Surely one of the world's best subs doesn't need any second-doubting it's
> performance, and whether it's worth it if you have a lesser sub (ie Rel
> Q150)
>
Doesn't matter how good it is - unless I can hear it I wont buy it. It
could be the best sub of all time but that doesn't mean it will fit in
every system. surely even you understand something of system matching?
> Perhaps if you weren't such a twat someone would invite you round to demo a
> SVS
I'd be more likey to shove your stupid weedy head into one of the ports
;) especially if you called me a twat to my face.
> Quite a few people have SVS's on avforums.. loads on home theatre forum, and
> avsforum. Why not read up on some comments first? Surely if there are 100+
> comments from owners of (your) sub to a a better SVS or whatever, this at
> least will help with your decision.
They are stil only comments. A lot of those comments come from what I
call "bass heads". To me bass is little more than a component of the
music. I listen to systems with *my own* ears. Not those of "my dealer",
not those of people who post to SVS forums or Outlaw forums or anywhere
else.
Music and AV is a personal experience. I'm not building a system so that
I can brag about it on UMHC, I'm building a system to watch and enjoy
movies on. Therefore the most important opinion on how it *should* sound
is *mine*. I'm sure the SVS is a gran sub, I'll wager the Outlaw is
every bit as good as it and I'm certain there are subs slightly cheaper
that are 'better' and subs more expensive that are 'worse'. It's
irrelevant if I can't demo it.
So I'll assume you've lied about using a Mac (you're just trolling - I
doubt anyone who top-poste duntil January 2003 would ever have used a
Mac) just as you've lied about seeing an Apex DVD player catch fire and
you lied about not going to Acoustica in Chester.
If you didn't lie so much, people would pay more attention to the things
you *do* say that are interesting.
Nath
> excellent sub and be happy with my purchase? What's the point? All I
> want is a subwoofer, not a gamble.
SVS might be setting up a UK distributor sometime. However prices will
increase.
You will pay for the middle man, RRP, and the companies marketing. Jag is
buying a SVS 20-39 PCi- costing £550. Or he could have bought a Rel Q150E
for the same amount. I know which one I'll go for.
Arguing about it's not gonna change anything. Either buy a sub from a store-
or buy direct. I can only help you with some idea's on model/range. Tom from
SVS is very helpful - give him a email.
> Of course not. If i can't demo it I can't even verify that it works.
> Maybe you can chuck £1000 down the drain Nathan (though I doubt it) but
> I can't - no matter what you think. I wouldn't buy AV unseen or unheard
> - it doesn't make sense. Plus the HGS-18 is not likely to be suited to
> my system - massive overkill - nor would I spend £1k on a sub pure and
> simple.
Even if the HGS-18 was from your local hifi shop, brand new, working, with
full warranty? Basically they were giving it away- you would still not
consider it?
No I don't throw away money either. Unless you're willing to take a chance-
you won't get bargains on gear.
People are using SVS and some Velo HGS subwoofers with Anthony Gallo
speakers (avforums) OK it might be overkill, and HGS RRP is pricey.. but
regardless people are still using subs that are of much higher quality
bracket than the rest of the system.
> Doesn't matter how good it is - unless I can hear it I wont buy it. It
> could be the best sub of all time but that doesn't mean it will fit in
> every system. surely even you understand something of system matching?
Yes.. that's why I'm unsure of buying a multi-channel poweramp from
Outlaw/ATI. System matching is important for amplifier's & speakers. But is
it the same for subwoofers?- I mean one person might like a bright sounding
amp, another soft. And depends on what processor & speakers they have. A
Audiolab poweramp works well with certain speakers, and doesn't with some
others.
But a subwoofer basically should be - Fast, loud, not boomy, low distortion,
good build, low port noise, flat between xxhz-80/120hz, good price. That's
about it I think.
> They are stil only comments. A lot of those comments come from what I
> call "bass heads". To me bass is little more than a component of the
> music. I listen to systems with *my own* ears. Not those of "my dealer",
> not those of people who post to SVS forums or Outlaw forums or anywhere
> else.
Yeah I can understand where you're coming from. I was cautious of some posts
on the american forums. But once a few UK customers bought a couple and then
compared them to similar priced (and more expensive) subs I roughly got some
more trustworthy comments. Comments comparing Rel Storm, Velodyne CHT-15,
Paradigm Servo 15. HGS line.
> Music and AV is a personal experience. I'm not building a system so that
> I can brag about it on UMHC, I'm building a system to watch and enjoy
> movies on. Therefore the most important opinion on how it *should* sound
> is *mine*. I'm sure the SVS is a gran sub, I'll wager the Outlaw is
> every bit as good as it and I'm certain there are subs slightly cheaper
> that are 'better' and subs more expensive that are 'worse'. It's
> irrelevant if I can't demo it.
Fair enough. See first reply.
However the Outlaw sub is (25hz?) tune.. therefore a SVS 16hz model will go
lower. Don't know of SPL output and other things obviously.
There's a thread on home theatre forum, with waterfall charts. Search for
mingl. Excellent.. it gives you idea on average low frequency (made me
decide on the certain port tune)
> So I'll assume you've lied about using a Mac (you're just trolling - I
> doubt anyone who top-poste duntil January 2003 would ever have used a
> Mac) just as you've lied about seeing an Apex DVD player catch fire and
> you lied about not going to Acoustica in Chester.
Yes I've used Mac's. It's been years since I've shopped at Acoustica. You
really expect me to remember that?
Patrick Navin
>
> Yes I've used Mac's. It's been years since I've shopped at Acoustica. You
> really expect me to remember that?
>
A good, sensible response about the subs, much appreciated. I'm still at
a loss as to why you reduse to explain what it is about Macs you don't
like? Give me some specifics because I genuinely believe that someone
who's clearly as interested in quality as you would not have major
issues with a Mac, in fact I'd expect you to prefer it.
So which version of Mac OS did you try? when was this? What were you
trying to achieve on the Mac that you couldn't?
Nath
> a loss as to why you reduse to explain what it is about Macs you don't
> like? Give me some specifics because I genuinely believe that someone
> who's clearly as interested in quality as you would not have major
> issues with a Mac, in fact I'd expect you to prefer it.
These are my opinion's/experiences...either with the one I was dealing with-
or the few working Mac's in the office.
Physical design- not bothered what my computer looks like. I don't want to
pay extra for fancy case/monitor.
Bundled mouse- small round thing that gave me cramps after 20 minutes. I
don't think a PC USB mouse worked. I had to use the Mac mouse :-( The Mac
lacked right-click so shortcuts like copy/paste had to be done by other
means. Takes longer to do stuff that way.
Monitor arrived dead.
Apple sent us a partially working keyboard. Some keys worked, some others
outputted something completely different (ie type S and P comes up) This
was a urgent order for a client.
Problems with USB- a standard PC USB keyboard didn't work. We had to use
another working Mac keyboard. Gave me cramps.
Supplied keyboard was worse than a laptop's- tiny with no feel to it. A £10
PC keyboard can take some bashing.
OS arrived messed up- straight away had to re-install.
Multi-tasking- the Mac/OS I was using (can't remember) possibly a G3 or G4
Mac. I was using Photoshop to process a image. Whilst this was doing it's
stuff- I couldn't select another app- ie Notepad equalivant. Had to wait
until Photoshop finished the process.
Video card died- had to replace with a PC ATI video card.
CD drive failed with Photoshop disc inside. Whole unit had to be returned
for repair urgently- couldn't eject the disc by either trash can, or the
keyboard press, or using the pin hole. No eject button like a normal CD-ROM.
Had to rip the tray out to get the CD.
Basically after that experience (and after contacting Apple) we dropped
supplying Mac's - we did think of replacing all PC's with Mac's. Not after
that we didn't. Only the design department were allowed Mac's.
Games support.
Ability to tweak the system. Can't install a custom OS (like Windows, Linux
etc)
Supplied HD died a few hours after switch-on - a Fujitsu..
Couldn't get a external SCSI CD Writer to work on any Mac in the art
department. I asked the Mac techie to help- he couldn't get it working
either. The Mac users were pretty experienced, and mystified of this.
Another indentical SCSI box worked only on the PC's. These were bought in
for the Mac's, to backup data. Some other SCSI devices worked fine with both
PC & Mac (SCSI scanner)
Yet the CD writer boxes worked fine on several PC's. Basically we tried to
track down why it didn't work. Couldn't find the problem. Instead left that
SCSI box connected to the one PC in their office.
After using them for a while I refused to deal with them. I was pissed off
with them, my fingers and wrists ached. My manager agreed.
> So which version of Mac OS did you try? when was this? What were you
> trying to achieve on the Mac that you couldn't?
I honestly can't remember.
I guess for computer newbie's a Mac is OK. I didn't like it.
AVTalk.co.uk
simply hold out for a second hand SVS or Velodyne CHT-15? They come up
regularly and are rarely more than 6 to 9 months old.
In the case of the Velodyne you have no worries with transformers and
CE certification and you're ready to safely plug and play.
With SVS, you know some other poor soul's done all the importing
legwork for you.
Nath
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> If you have c.£500 and want the best sub that money can buy, why not
No transformer is needed with a SVS subwoofer. They change the voltage
jumper inside the amp module at the factory.
Importing a SVS was hardly difficult. Probably as much work as ordering a
DVD. Then phoning up Bax once to arrange a delivery date. Then pay import &
duty.
I hate paperwork- and this was no bother at all. Just sign it and that's it.
Apparently a couple of people on avforums have compared the CHT-15 and the
20-39 PC Plus. I can't browse avforums anymore, but I understand it one
person (just before I was blocked) was considering changing his CHT-15 for a
SVS.
Nigel Barker
<patrick.navi...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>A good, sensible response about the subs, much appreciated. I'm still at
>a loss as to why you reduse to explain what it is about Macs you don't
>like? Give me some specifics because I genuinely believe that someone
>who's clearly as interested in quality as you would not have major
>issues with a Mac, in fact I'd expect you to prefer it.
Personally I hate that bloody stupid single button mouse. Having grown up with
proper Motif VMS & UNIX workstations that have 3 buttons & now that I also use a
nice cordless scroll mouse on my PC I can't believe the Apple thing is so
primitive.
--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
Patrick Navin
>>A good, sensible response about the subs, much appreciated. I'm still at
>>a loss as to why you reduse to explain what it is about Macs you don't
>>like? Give me some specifics because I genuinely believe that someone
>>who's clearly as interested in quality as you would not have major
>>issues with a Mac, in fact I'd expect you to prefer it.
>
>
> These are my opinion's/experiences...either with the one I was dealing with-
> or the few working Mac's in the office.
Ok then let's see...
>
> Physical design- not bothered what my computer looks like. I don't want to
> pay extra for fancy case/monitor.
Irrelevant. You can buy an iBook for less than a similarly specced PC. I
don't care what they look like either - contrary to your opinion few
people buy a Mac for its looks. How does the look of the machine mean it
works crap?
> Bundled mouse- small round thing that gave me cramps after 20 minutes. I
> don't think a PC USB mouse worked.
Indeed the puck mouse was a bag of shite. However as 99% of usb mice
work on Macs (multi button ones - I'm using one now) you can change the
mouse to a cheap £4.9 usb one
I had to use the Mac mouse :-( The Mac
> lacked right-click so shortcuts like copy/paste had to be done by other
> means. Takes longer to do stuff that way.
Plug in a two or 3 or 4 button mouse then. you'll find under OS X that
right clicking works just fine for cut n paste etc. Even with a single
button mouse you can do it by holding the button a fraction longer
> Monitor arrived dead.
Of course this never ever happens with pcs?
> Apple sent us a partially working keyboard. Some keys worked, some others
> outputted something completely different (ie type S and P comes up) This
> was a urgent order for a client.
If you received a dead monitor and keyboard you should have sent it
back. If you are so anti Mac why are you speccing them for customers?
> Problems with USB- a standard PC USB keyboard didn't work. We had to use
> another working Mac keyboard. Gave me cramps.
The original iMac keyboard (which is the small one) is a dog. The new
Pro keyboard is widely acknowledged as one of the best keyboards money
can by, even on PC sites. Standard USB keyboards do work - I use a
£9.99 Maplins job on my iBook from time to time.
> Supplied keyboard was worse than a laptop's- tiny with no feel to it. A £10
> PC keyboard can take some bashing.
Perhaps if you stopped bashing the keyboard and tried to type your posts
might make more sense?
> OS arrived messed up- straight away had to re-install.
Macs *never* arrive with the OS install. Every Mac comes with a set of
CDs ready to install to a fresh hard disk. This ensures your Mac is
brand new. Either you remember incorrectly or your struggling to pick
fault. You're making this up aren't you?
> Multi-tasking- the Mac/OS I was using (can't remember) possibly a G3 or G4
> Mac. I was using Photoshop to process a image. Whilst this was doing it's
> stuff- I couldn't select another app- ie Notepad equalivant. Had to wait
> until Photoshop finished the process.
Which version of the OS? If it was OS X then this is not the case. Even
on a lowly 500 mhz G3 i can render photoshop and run 7 or 8 different
tasks simultaneously. When I put a CD in the drive of my Windows XP
laptop i can't do anything until it has mounted the CD. If i try to do
anyhting related to the network while Outlook (the grown up one) is
running either Outlook hangs or the pc crashes.
> Video card died- had to replace with a PC ATI video card.
Can't be done. If it was an AGP Mac it wont work with a PC specific card
- they use entirely different bioses. If it was a PCi graphics Mac it
would only work in about 5% of cases. Are these faults true Nathan or
are you making some of it up? ;)
> CD drive failed with Photoshop disc inside. Whole unit had to be returned
> for repair urgently- couldn't eject the disc by either trash can, or the
> keyboard press, or using the pin hole. No eject button like a normal CD-ROM.
> Had to rip the tray out to get the CD.
I'm confused by which Mac you're talking about now. All PowerMac G3 and
G4 towers have the usual eject button. All beige G3 PowerMacs have an
eject button. The only machines i can think of that don't have a CD
eject button are the Slot Load iMac and the Flat Panel iMAc (and the
eMac but I'm certain you weren't using one of those).
*Even* then all you need to do is restart the machine holding down the
mouse button and the firmware will eject the CD.
Is this true? Or are you just trolling?
> Basically after that experience (and after contacting Apple) we dropped
> supplying Mac's - we did think of replacing all PC's with Mac's. Not after
> that we didn't. Only the design department were allowed Mac's.
Hmmm, your story is very poorly made out. Too many blatant examples of a
lack of knowledge of Mac architecture for me to believ it, sorry. Hey
why not post it verbatim to uk.computer.sys.mac - I'd love to see what
they make of it!
> Games support.
If I want to play games I use a toy - it's called a PC
> Ability to tweak the system. Can't install a custom OS (like Windows, Linux
> etc)
eh? How is Windows a custom OS?
Do you mean you can't 'customize' the OS? If so you're wrong.
You can tweak Macs to high heaven. OS X is based on a Unix core. I
install and use Unix apps all the time, tweaks UI hacks all sorts of
stuff. LinuxPPC has been around for ages, from the likes of Mandrake,
Suse, Yellowdog, Debian etc- it looks and feels exactly like any pc
linux, except it's running on a Mac. Are you sure you work in IT Nathan
because your knowledge of IT is very very poor.
> Supplied HD died a few hours after switch-on - a Fujitsu..
Hmmm, this was a really bad Mac wasn't it Nathan. If so much of it
didn't work how in the hell can you have used it to find that it was so
bad? Even *if* all these things happened, they could just as easily
happen to a pc. Monitor failure, hdd failure and cdrom drive failure are
not Mac specific.
> Couldn't get a external SCSI CD Writer to work on any Mac in the art
> department. I asked the Mac techie to help- he couldn't get it working
> either. The Mac users were pretty experienced, and mystified of this.
So it was SCSI was it? Hmm - can you remember which model of Mac you
were using? Was it a G4 with SCSI? Was it custom built? If you were
using G4s why would you buy SCSI cd writers? Why wouldn't you use
firewire? Seems like a distinct lack of knowledge in the IT department
there mate.
The drive probably wasn't terminated anyway - the most common SCSI
mistake of all ... if any of this is true.
> Another indentical SCSI box worked only on the PC's. These were bought in
> for the Mac's, to backup data. Some other SCSI devices worked fine with both
> PC & Mac (SCSI scanner)
>
> Yet the CD writer boxes worked fine on several PC's. Basically we tried to
> track down why it didn't work. Couldn't find the problem. Instead left that
> SCSI box connected to the one PC in their office.
Not much of an It edepartment then are you if you just left it rather
than solve the problem - you'd last, oooh, 10 minutes in my place.
> After using them for a while I refused to deal with them. I was pissed off
> with them, my fingers and wrists ached. My manager agreed.
Are you sure it wasn't your 'dealer' who agreed? Plank. You've written
about hardware failures, which can happen to anything, you've mentioned
that usb mice and keyboards wouldn't work, which is a lie and you
achieved the impossible of running a PC video card in a Mac.
Nathan - this is a tissue of lies.
>>So which version of Mac OS did you try? when was this? What were you
>>trying to achieve on the Mac that you couldn't?
>
>
> I honestly can't remember.
> I guess for computer newbie's a Mac is OK. I didn't like it.
The reason you can't remember Nathan, is because it isn't true. you're a
liar.
You crack me up. If all you'd said was - "I used a Mac and didn't like
it" you wouldn't look like an idiot. However your complete catalgue of
lie upon lie shows you for the idiot you are - and a baltant liar.
Computer newbie? That sounds like you - after all, any IT person worth
their salt doesn't post using Outlook Express - *that's* for newbies,
folk that don't care and fools.
Nice try Nathan - now tell mea bout the Apex dvd player that 'caught
fire' ;)
Patrick Navin
the single button mouse is cack - but, just like a pc, you're not stuck
with it. I use a Microsoft Intellimouse with my Mac - makes it seem even
more like my old SGI now - especially whn I'm running Blender
Nige, On a Mission From God............
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BUSTED!!!!!!!!
I have never read so much shit Nath, you are BUSTED!!!!!!"!
GUFFAWWWWWWWWW
Nath
Nothing- but why should I pay for a fancy case when I don't give a care how
it looks- this costs money.
> Of course this never ever happens with pcs?
Of course it does.
> If you received a dead monitor and keyboard you should have sent it
> back. If you are so anti Mac why are you speccing them for customers?
We only ordered one for a client. We had no replacement components (mouse,
keyboard, monitor) as 99% of the support was for PC's. Wasen't my fault we
had no hot swop Mac's. We didn't have time to send it back. It was a urgent
job- it was quicker to fix it on-site. The clients were asking for Mac's, we
did not recommend them. They wanted them because they look nice.
> Macs *never* arrive with the OS install. Every Mac comes with a set of
> CDs ready to install to a fresh hard disk. This ensures your Mac is
> brand new. Either you remember incorrectly or your struggling to pick
> fault. You're making this up aren't you?
Fair enough - if they come blank then my manager must have installed it
before I arrived in the office. And fucked the
machine up. I did not unpack it.
> Which version of the OS? If it was OS X then this is not the case. Even
> on a lowly 500 mhz G3 i can render photoshop and run 7 or 8 different
> tasks simultaneously. When I put a CD in the drive of my Windows XP
> laptop i can't do anything until it has mounted the CD. If i try to do
> anyhting related to the network while Outlook (the grown up one) is
> running either Outlook hangs or the pc crashes.
It was years ago (probably about 5) How the hell should I know? Would you
remember a trivial
thing like that?
> Can't be done. If it was an AGP Mac it wont work with a PC specific card
Must have been a video card of some sort. Again it's years
ago.. but I do remember replacing the video card to get it temporary
working.
> I'm confused by which Mac you're talking about now. All PowerMac G3 and
About 5 years ago.
> Is this true? Or are you just trolling?
Sigh- why should I be making this up?
> Games support.
For work, fine. But I sometimes play games at home.
> Hmmm, this was a really bad Mac wasn't it Nathan. If so much of it
> didn't work how in the hell can you have used it to find that it was so
> bad? Even *if* all these things happened, they could just as easily
> happen to a pc. Monitor failure, hdd failure and cdrom drive failure are
> not Mac specific.
Ok, my manager must have unpacked it. Tried the montor- dead. So he replaced
with a PC monitor. Installed the OS. That's probably when I came into the
office. Running into problems with it (perhaps the HD was on it's way out) I
then took over. Replaced the HD- installed OS on the new HD. Worked better.
> So it was SCSI was it? Hmm - can you remember which model of Mac you
> were using? Was it a G4 with SCSI? Was it custom built? If you were
> using G4s why would you buy SCSI cd writers? Why wouldn't you use
> firewire? Seems like a distinct lack of knowledge in the IT department
> there mate.
Because they had some older Mac's too (with SCSI I/O) Firewire wasn't out at
the time.
> The drive probably wasn't terminated anyway - the most common SCSI
> mistake of all ... if any of this is true.
Yes device was terminated. Worked fine on the PC's, not on the Mac's with
SCSI controllers.
> Not much of an It edepartment then are you if you just left it rather
> than solve the problem - you'd last, oooh, 10 minutes in my place.
Yeah pretty crap company. I did not leave it- the manager decided to not
replace the current PC's with Mac's.
> Are you sure it wasn't your 'dealer' who agreed? Plank. You've written
> about hardware failures, which can happen to anything, you've mentioned
> that usb mice and keyboards wouldn't work, which is a lie and you
> achieved the impossible of running a PC video card in a Mac.
WTF are you on now? What's my hifi dealer got to do with Mac's? Yes hardware
failure's can affect both. The mice & keyboard did not work with that
particular machine (fine with others)
> The reason you can't remember Nathan, is because it isn't true. you're a
> liar.
5 years ago. Would you remember a small job that long ago?
> Computer newbie? That sounds like you - after all, any IT person worth
> their salt doesn't post using Outlook Express - *that's* for newbies,
> folk that don't care and fools.
What's OE got to do with anything?
Patrick Navin
>
> We only ordered one for a client. We had no replacement components (mouse,
> keyboard, monitor) as 99% of the support was for PC's. Wasen't my fault we
> had no hot swop Mac's. We didn't have time to send it back. It was a urgent
> job- it was quicker to fix it on-site. The clients were asking for Mac's, we
> did not recommend them. They wanted them because they look nice.
No company worth their salt would rely on fixing hardware they didn't
know about on-site in this manner.
No company that already had Macs would go to a PC company to buy their
Macs - they wouldn't be able to get the prices or support. This never
even happened did it Nathan? Macs are almost always sold by Mac
specialist dealers. Is you company an Apple Centre?
Full of shit you are.
>
>
>
> Fair enough - if they come blank then my manager must have installed it
> before I arrived in the office. And fucked the
> machine up. I did not unpack it.
>
Sounds like backpedalling
>
> It was years ago (probably about 5) How the hell should I know? Would you
> remember a trivial
> thing like that?
Funny you can remember stuff when it suits you - like the Apex DVD
player that caught fire. You're fibbing Nathan.
>
> Must have been a video card of some sort. Again it's years
> ago.. but I do remember replacing the video card to get it temporary
> working.
Nathan what part of "It can't be done" don't you understand? You cannot
just swap out a PC graphics card into a MAC because IT WONT WORK. The
bioses are completely different. *Even* if it was one of the very few
cards that you could reflash with the appropriate bios it's an involved
and fiddly task that would be beyond you.
>
> Sigh- why should I be making this up?
>
You're making it up to save face - to avoid proving that you only slag
off Macs because you're a tool. Digging a deeper and deeper hole Nathan
- why not just admit you've fibbed and leave it at that eh?
>
>>Games support.
>
>
> For work, fine. But I sometimes play games at home.
>
I play games at home on my Mac - Halo, Medal of Honour, Return to Castle
Wolfenstein, Red Faction 2 etc.
>
> Ok, my manager must have unpacked it. Tried the montor- dead. So he replaced
> with a PC monitor. Installed the OS. That's probably when I came into the
> office. Running into problems with it (perhaps the HD was on it's way out) I
> then took over. Replaced the HD- installed OS on the new HD. Worked better.
>
So you can remember at what stage you came into the office but can't
remember what OS you tried?
>
> Because they had some older Mac's too (with SCSI I/O) Firewire wasn't out at
> the time.
Another lie. You said they bought Macs "to look nice" you also intimated
that it had a separate monitor. That rules out it being a beige G3
(looks just like any standard beige pc) or an iMac (integrated monitor)
so at the *very least* it was a Blue and White G3 PowerMac - which
coincidentally had firewire as standard - not out was it? Liar.
> Yes device was terminated. Worked fine on the PC's, not on the Mac's with
> SCSI controllers.
I don't believe you. Why should i believe this when it's clear you've
lied about the other stuff?
> Yeah pretty crap company. I did not leave it- the manager decided to not
> replace the current PC's with Mac's.
I thought they were for a customer? Consistency not your forté is it Nathan.
> WTF are you on now? What's my hifi dealer got to do with Mac's?
Nathan, a look through your posts show that you always use a third party
statement to back up your opinions "my dealer says it's better than x"
"my dealer says its the best he's ever heard" "my manager said they were
crap"
You have no opinions of your own becasue you have no experience. You are
just an out and out liar.
> Yes hardware
> failure's can affect both. The mice & keyboard did not work with that
> particular machine (fine with others)
Again this could be true - but why should I believe it when you've lied
about the other stuff?
>
> What's OE got to do with anything?
>
A serious It professional would know better than to use IT. It is full
of security holes, it is bloatware, it is crap. It automatically makes
people tolp post unless they know what they are doing or install a third
party hack. It is singularly responsible for the transmission of worms
and viruse sin larger numbers than any other piece of software.
Are you sure you work in IT or is that what you want to do when you grow up?
Why not just admit to the BS - I don't care whether you like Macs or
nor, but I think it's pathetic to make stuff up to prove your point,
especially as you're not even good at making itup. You've got so much
wrong here it's laughable!
Nath
> know about on-site in this manner.
Agree, it was a naff company. If they had replacement parts this wouldn't
matter. However they didn't. Have you ever tried to get something sorted but
with nothing to work with, except the broken machine.
> No company that already had Macs would go to a PC company to buy their
> Macs - they wouldn't be able to get the prices or support. This never
> even happened did it Nathan? Macs are almost always sold by Mac
> specialist dealers. Is you company an Apple Centre?
The network supplier was supplying the PC's, the network, backup, and the IT
support. They had contracts with several small companies on the site. I
understand the Mac's where already in place from a previous network
supplier. The new network supplier was going to start branching out into
Mac's.
> Full of shit you are.
Nope.
> Sounds like backpedalling
Nope. I saw him using it, and he asked "fix this" sort of thing.. it was a
rush job to get it setup and out to be installed.
> Nathan what part of "It can't be done" don't you understand? You cannot
> just swap out a PC graphics card into a MAC because IT WONT WORK. The
> bioses are completely different. *Even* if it was one of the very few
> cards that you could reflash with the appropriate bios it's an involved
> and fiddly task that would be beyond you.
Fuck knows, all I know the video card was swapped out and it work. BIOS
flashing is not beyond me fool.
> You're making it up to save face - to avoid proving that you only slag
> off Macs because you're a tool. Digging a deeper and deeper hole Nathan
> - why not just admit you've fibbed and leave it at that eh?
Save face to you? Do I give a shit if you think I'm a plonker? No.
> > Ok, my manager must have unpacked it. Tried the montor- dead. So he
replaced
> > with a PC monitor. Installed the OS. That's probably when I came into
the
> > office. Running into problems with it (perhaps the HD was on it's way
out) I
> > then took over. Replaced the HD- installed OS on the new HD. Worked
better.
> >
>
> So you can remember at what stage you came into the office but can't
> remember what OS you tried?
Yes. Would you remember what version of DOS a certain PC that you used for a
a couple of days 5 years ago? I don't think so.
> Another lie. You said they bought Macs "to look nice" you also intimated
> that it had a separate monitor. That rules out it being a beige G3
> (looks just like any standard beige pc) or an iMac (integrated monitor)
> so at the *very least* it was a Blue and White G3 PowerMac - which
> coincidentally had firewire as standard - not out was it? Liar.
Did it? I didn't realize. Again 5 years ago...would you remember what a
certain PC has attached from that time- say your bosses PC 5 years ago? I
don't think so.
> I don't believe you. Why should i believe this when it's clear you've
> lied about the other stuff?
Sigh. I own and used SCSI gear before. I own a Umax 610S, a Yamaha SCSI
writer (in a SCSI box) and a Advansys ABP-930 SCSI card. Works fine.
> I thought they were for a customer? Consistency not your forté is it
Nathan.
The Mac was for one client. We refused to replace the PC's for the people
who where asking for them. Do you understand that? Still keep on supporting
the few Mac's, and the PC's... but not replace Mac's with PC's.
> You have no opinions of your own becasue you have no experience. You are
> just an out and out liar.
I think you're a tosser. That's my opinion.
> Again this could be true - but why should I believe it when you've lied
> about the other stuff?
Don't believe it if you want.
> A serious It professional would know better than to use IT. It is full
> of security holes, it is bloatware, it is crap. It automatically makes
> people tolp post unless they know what they are doing or install a third
> party hack. It is singularly responsible for the transmission of worms
> and viruse sin larger numbers than any other piece of software.
It's my home PC. Works fine for me. Never had any problems with viruses etc.
> Are you sure you work in IT or is that what you want to do when you grow
up?
Grow up yourself.
> Why not just admit to the BS - I don't care whether you like Macs or
> nor, but I think it's pathetic to make stuff up to prove your point,
> especially as you're not even good at making itup. You've got so much
> wrong here it's laughable!
Maybe I can't remember certain things- but I'm not making things up.
Nige, On a Mission From God............
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It's a wrap folks, Nath is a lying fuckmonkey who lives in Congleton I do
believe, his 'kit' has been 'turd' party verified as an old Wharfdale DVD
player & a Sherwood amp. I also believe he uses a 'fresnel lense affair to
view his paltry collection of DVD's.
Nath, you loose, come on down!!!!!
WANKER.
Kez
maybe he needs something to stand his new telly on?
what do *you* think he needs a sub for? seeing as you claim to know how he
thinks!
Kez
dear oh dear. sounds like trolling to me.
Nath
>
>
Think what you like. I guess some people just won't be happy unless they
change other people's minds.
If I just said "I think Mac's are crap, I don't like them" Patrick would
have said "That's not enough, give more info" Basically you can't win with
these people. They take insults too personally.
Patrick Navin
Insults are personal you fuckchop that's the point.
If you had said "I don't like Macs" then I wouldn't have commented.
Saying "Macs are crap" when you clearly have no clue about them would be
like me saying "SVS are a cowboy firm making substandard gear that works
poorly, but people buy them because they are all the rage on the US
forums". Of course I wouldn't say that because I'm not afraid to admit I
know next to nothing about SVS.
You, however, have a case of terminal bullshit.
Nathan - a pc video card WILL NOT WORK in a Mac. Therefore you are a
liar because you cannot have used a PC video card in a Mac. You're a
liar, you make stuff up because you can't bear to have it proved that
your 'opinions' are nothing more than the petty jealousies of a small
minded individual who thinks that if his 'dealer' says something's good
then all is well with the world.
I've proven you a liar. You have lied about the Mac video card. If you
were an IT professional you would know this - so it calls into question
whether or not this is true also.
You're a funny guy Nathan - but you're busted wide open. Get back to
your SVS - I'm sure it loves you - cos no-one here fucking well does!
Nath
So if I make a negative comment about a electrical item you own, you think
that's a personal insult? Why?
Patrick Navin
No - I think calling me a twat is an insult. Your negative comments
regarding most electrical items are little more than jealousy, snobbery,
ignorance or a combination of the three. Your levels of comprehension
beggar belief.
I notice you've not bothered to counter the irrefutable evidence that
you've lied about using a Mac. I think that says it all.
Nath
> regarding most electrical items are little more than jealousy, snobbery,
> ignorance or a combination of the three. Your levels of comprehension
> beggar belief.
Double standards..
"So, give him the same advice I did eh Nathan? Twat."
Patrick Navin
LOL - you're still funny Nathan.
So about this video card from a pc you used in a Mac? did it catch fire
like the Apex DVD player?
Do you even *know* which bits of what you say are true and which bits
are lies?
Patrick Navin
> Nath wrote:
>
>>> No - I think calling me a twat is an insult. Your negative comments
>>> regarding most electrical items are little more than jealousy, snobbery,
>>> ignorance or a combination of the three. Your levels of comprehension
>>> beggar belief.
>>
>>
>>
>> Double standards..
>>
>> "So, give him the same advice I did eh Nathan? Twat."
>>
>
> LOL - you're still funny Nathan.
>
> So about this video card from a pc you used in a Mac? did it catch fire
> like the Apex DVD player?
>
> Do you even *know* which bits of what you say are true and which bits
> are lies?
>
>
oh btw Nathan - I was outlinign the difference between insults and
slagging off kit you know nowt about. I intended fully to insult you
because it's clear for all to see that you ARE a twat ;)
have a nice day
Nath
E.O.L.
Patrick Navin
> This is getting boring...
>
> E.O.L.
Same tactics you used at AVForums - when someone susses you out for the
bullshitter you are you cry "Mods close this thread"
He he - nice one Nathan, not only have you dug the hole, you've filled
it in on top of yourself.
Sweet
Nath
> Nath wrote:
>
> > This is getting boring...
> >
> > E.O.L.
>
> Same tactics you used at AVForums - when someone susses you out for the
> bullshitter you are you cry "Mods close this thread"
Which thread is that then?
Don't link, as I cannot browse the forums. Copy and paste a paragraph and I
should remember it.
Patrick Navin
It's the thread where you use your "extensive" IT knowledge to make out
that AMD chips are universally crap. A few folk disagree with you, even
using excetionally good evidence that proves you're talking out your
arse and you eventually post a single line "Mods please close" because
you've got no comeback.
On that occasion someone called RMAG busted you. This week it's me. ;)
You think silencing folk or not repsonding makes you any less worng or
any less of a liar?
A few of your gems from that thread:
"Didn't go to uni (and going to uni doesn't mean anything)... and work
in the industry."
"I know someone with a electronics degree... he doesn't know how to
solder, or what a capacitor or resistor looks like in real life! (only
knows what the symbol in the designs)
Oh yeah he wired up and switchd on huge cap (used in industrial
equipment) incorrectly.. he switched it on... if his head was above it
when it switched on... goodbye head."
"I would rather have a CPU that's more expensive but more stable. Every
Intel PC I've used is 100% stable.. every AMD PC has either locked up in
DOS, locked in installing Windows, crashed in Windows (95, 98, 2000 &
XP), rebooted in Windows for no reason, crashed 3D mark etc.. all PC's
had updated BIOS, drivers, good quality PSU's etc..."
So it's not just Macs then??
"The computers where my mate works have replaced the whole network from
Intel machines to AMD's...the Intel's were fine, stable. Now with the
"faster" AMD's they are actually slower doing CAD & Opengl work.. and
crash.. so they're loosing man-hours per day.They'll probably go back to
Intel machines soon."
I just love the way you always have a vague "mate" or "dealer" answer to
any opinion you spout - but never any facts!
"Anyway, AMD's are overclocked from the factory."
You were quickly put right on this one. Indicates a lack of even the
very basic knowledge of wafer manufacture and QC.
Why do you do it Nathan? what do you get out of being such a prick? i
mean, if you were a knowledgable prick I could almost see some point to
it, but your basic facts are lacking. You lie about stuff and get caught
because you haven't even the most basic research skills to make your
lies plausible.
What you gonna do now? "Mods please close"? LOL
Nath
> It's the thread where you use your "extensive" IT knowledge to make out
> that AMD chips are universally crap. A few folk disagree with you, even
> using excetionally good evidence that proves you're talking out your
> arse and you eventually post a single line "Mods please close" because
> you've got no comeback.
My opinion. Just like it's there opinion they disagree with me. There
"evidence" is what we already did. Drivers, PSU, 4 in 1. None of them
worked. Still unstable. You want me to change my feelings towards his
unstable PC because "they said so?"
> You think silencing folk or not repsonding makes you any less worng or
> any less of a liar?
I'm not silencing them.. I saw they're posts as trolling, just as they
probably say my posts as a troll too. I guess people who disagree with other
people label them as trolls, rather than people with different opinion's.
> "Didn't go to uni (and going to uni doesn't mean anything)... and work
> in the industry."
And? I know more about electronics than a mate who went to uni. He didn't
know what a oscilloscope was.
> "I know someone with a electronics degree... he doesn't know how to
> solder, or what a capacitor or resistor looks like in real life! (only
> knows what the symbol in the designs)
Someone at work.
>
> Oh yeah he wired up and switchd on huge cap (used in industrial
> equipment) incorrectly.. he switched it on... if his head was above it
> when it switched on... goodbye head."
The same person.
> "I would rather have a CPU that's more expensive but more stable. Every
> Intel PC I've used is 100% stable.. every AMD PC has either locked up in
> DOS, locked in installing Windows, crashed in Windows (95, 98, 2000 &
> XP), rebooted in Windows for no reason, crashed 3D mark etc.. all PC's
> had updated BIOS, drivers, good quality PSU's etc..."
That is my own experience with AMD & Intel CPU's. So what? That's fault
finding. Rather than switch the PC on- crashed and said "AMD's are crap" we
tried everything. Nowt sorted it. I tried, and remained open minded.. but
not after that.
> So it's not just Macs then??
Mac's are stable.. great for design work. I personally don't like the
usability of the OS itself (and not really a games machine IMO) quite
limited amount of software compared to PC's (IMO)
> "The computers where my mate works have replaced the whole network from
> Intel machines to AMD's...the Intel's were fine, stable. Now with the
> "faster" AMD's they are actually slower doing CAD & Opengl work.. and
> crash.. so they're loosing man-hours per day.They'll probably go back to
> Intel machines soon."
>
> I just love the way you always have a vague "mate" or "dealer" answer to
> any opinion you spout - but never any facts!
How would you "prove" something your mate has dealt with? I have just what
he told me. Running into problems with these new PC's.
> "Anyway, AMD's are overclocked from the factory."
AFAIK AMD's run hot compared to the equilvant CPU.
> Why do you do it Nathan? what do you get out of being such a prick? i
> mean, if you were a knowledgable prick I could almost see some point to
> it, but your basic facts are lacking. You lie about stuff and get caught
> because you haven't even the most basic research skills to make your
> lies plausible.
Do what I like. You also have the opinion of Mac's/Eggs are great. I don't
agree. Yet you do exactly the same as me, insulting and stating whatever.
Perhaps we should just accept each other's views and just leave it at that?
Patrick Navin
> My opinion. Just like it's there opinion they disagree with me. There
> "evidence" is what we already did. Drivers, PSU, 4 in 1. None of them
> worked. Still unstable. You want me to change my feelings towards his
> unstable PC because "they said so?"
No, you make absolute statements like "AMD are crap" "Macs are crap"
when you have very littl, if any knowledge of the stuff you're talking
about.
> I'm not silencing them.. I saw they're posts as trolling, just as they
> probably say my posts as a troll too. I guess people who disagree with other
> people label them as trolls, rather than people with different opinion's.
>
You're the troll. you rarely post evidence to back up your sweeping
statements, and, if you do, it is rarely comprehensible, often outright
lies and usually wrong.
> And? I know more about electronics than a mate who went to uni. He didn't
> know what a oscilloscope was.
I bet he kows a Pc video card doesn't work in Mac.
>
> That is my own experience with AMD & Intel CPU's. So what? That's fault
> finding. Rather than switch the PC on- crashed and said "AMD's are crap" we
> tried everything. Nowt sorted it. I tried, and remained open minded.. but
> not after that.
You're not open minded at all. "Macs are for newbies" "Macs are for
effeminite men and girls". That's not open minded, that's just childish
and stupid.
> Mac's are stable.. great for design work. I personally don't like the
> usability of the OS itself (and not really a games machine IMO) quite
> limited amount of software compared to PC's (IMO)
How can Macs suddenly be stable after that stuff you wrote? Oh i
remember it was all lies! You're right about limited software and
limited games - any fol could tell you that - but you don't have the
experience of using a Mac to say "they are crap". You know Nathan, if
you knew how to posit your opinions correctly I'd even agree with oyu on
some of what you've said (especially about Mac Os in the pre OS X days)
but you can't help yourself can you? You'd rather appear to be cool and
write stuff off rather than make an effort to find out what it is others
are talking about.
>
> How would you "prove" something your mate has dealt with? I have just what
> he told me. Running into problems with these new PC's.
The point i was making is you seem to think that by quoting some unknown
'person' that in some way removes from you the need to produce hard
evidence for your statements of fact. For example, your AV dealer may
well think your RPTV is the best picture he's ever seen but of wat value
is that to anyone who doesn't know him? post some pics, make a website
by all means but don't continue with tis "a mate at work said" crap -
it's too schoolyard for a twenty someting.
>
>>"Anyway, AMD's are overclocked from the factory."
>
>
> AFAIK AMD's run hot compared to the equilvant CPU.
FFS Nathan even my Mum knows than AMDs run hotter than Intel. If the
relative heat output of a chip is indication of how good it is then my
cool running G3 in my iBook is 10 times better than any Intel.
ridiculous. running hot and overclocked are completely different things.
One might beget the other but your two statements indiate a large gap in
your knowledge.
>
> Do what I like. You also have the opinion of Mac's/Eggs are great. I don't
> agree. Yet you do exactly the same as me, insulting and stating whatever.
> Perhaps we should just accept each other's views and just leave it at that?
All I'v eever asked you to do it justify why stuff is "crap" in your
eyes. you have never, to date, come up with any reason that stands up.
Sure you can say spending money on Kef Reference will sound better than
the Kef Eggs - I don't, nor have I ever doubted it. It still wont make
the Kef Eggs 'crap' - can't you see that?
You've claimed that folk buy Kef Eggs/Gallos because they are in some
way 'trendy'. Whilst I have no doubt a small percentage of people do buy
them for that reason, I'm also certain that most folk that buy them do
so because they suit them, both sonically and interms of decor, size
etc. Why put down what someone else has chosen? I've never put down your
SVS - I could say go out and buy a bigger sub, a better sub, you've only
bought it cos you want to have one of the few SVS in the UK etc. I don't
because I respect your right to choose whatever kit you have - and if
you're happy with it then I'm happy for you.
As to your Mac claims - we've established that you are talking rubbish.
You cannot possibly have got a PC video card to work in a blue and white
G3 - it doesn't work - can't be done - so you've lied to try and make
out you know what you're talking about. Unfortunately it means plenty
folk here will doubt *everything* you say. shame - because as I've said
before, when it comes to subs and RPTVs you have good knowledge.
you *can't* know about everything Nathan - you'll have to accept that
some other people know more about other stuff than you - that's life
chum, get over it.
If you want to leave it there fine. Personally I feel you should admit
you lied about the Mac thing cos it doesn kinda make you look stupid.
I'd love to hear the story about the Apex DVD player that caught fire though
Nath
> when you have very littl, if any knowledge of the stuff you're talking
> about.
AMD CPU's and Mac's are crap- IMO. I see no harm in me saying that. I've
used AMD's & Mac's in the past. I've never used a Krell poweramp. Take note
I don't say they're crap.
If a AMD fan said "Intel are crap" that wouldn't bother me either. Even if
he was just trolling or experience with both.
> You're not open minded at all. "Macs are for newbies" "Macs are for
> effeminite men and girls". That's not open minded, that's just childish
> and stupid.
Mac's are easy to use. Mac case & monitor design looks pretty. Somehow I
don't think many woman prefer the ugly boring beige PC case over a nice Mac
case (forget the insides for a moment)
> How can Macs suddenly be stable after that stuff you wrote? Oh i
> remember it was all lies!
That one Mac wasen't stable, granted. It was brand new, but failing. Just a
bad experience with that one. But the others were..where have I said all
mac's are unstable?
> The point i was making is you seem to think that by quoting some unknown
> 'person' that in some way removes from you the need to produce hard
> evidence for your statements of fact. For example, your AV dealer may
> well think your RPTV is the best picture he's ever seen but of wat value
> is that to anyone who doesn't know him? post some pics, make a website
> by all means but don't continue with tis "a mate at work said" crap -
> it's too schoolyard for a twenty someting.
The guy has used Plasma & CRT PJ's, LCD PJ's, DLP PJ's, so at least he's got
experience with visual quality. He doesn't post on NG/forums.
Mates don't post to newgroups & forums either. I can only type what they've
said, and they're own opinions on stuff.
Unfortuanly CRT RP's don't capture well. I've tried, but the picture looks
crap compared to a CRT or LCD FP projection. Don't know why.
> All I'v eever asked you to do it justify why stuff is "crap" in your
> eyes. you have never, to date, come up with any reason that stands up.
> Sure you can say spending money on Kef Reference will sound better than
> the Kef Eggs - I don't, nor have I ever doubted it. It still wont make
> the Kef Eggs 'crap' - can't you see that?
Yes. How many times have I said the Kef Eggs are great for the money? But I
would not buy them, alll I'm saying is I didn't like the sound from the Kef
Egg for centre duties. Didn't sound right IMO. Coloured and compressed.
> Why put down what someone else has chosen? I've never put down your
> SVS
You could put it down that's it's big and ugly. That's true. But performance
wise it beats quite a few other subs (100E, Storm, M&K 350) If you buy a SVS
B4 I wouldn't mind if you put my PC Plus down. Pretty obvious it is better.
I would but my Storm down now (overpriced, poor in output & LF hadnling),
because I've used both. I guess if people own Storm's they won't like my
comments...and then probably say something negative about the SVS.
> I could say go out and buy a bigger sub, a better sub, you've only
> bought it cos you want to have one of the few SVS in the UK etc.
Wouldn't bother me. In fact it'll be great because you'll enjoy movies even
more. Quite a few people in the UK own SVS. I didn't buy it to be exclusive.
If a M&K MX-350 was £1000, and similar or better performance I would have
bought that. However it's all about performance & cost.. that's why I got
the SVS. I would have bought the Servo 15 (excellent value for money at
£400)- but a couple of people from the forums have commented
Paradigm's/Richer Sounds are slow with parts replacement (in case of
failure) Wheras SVS have great CS. If you think I ordered the SVS to be
"special" try and name some subwoofers at £730 that will beat it.
> because I respect your right to choose whatever kit you have - and if
> you're happy with it then I'm happy for you.
I am.
> As to your Mac claims - we've established that you are talking rubbish.
> You cannot possibly have got a PC video card to work in a blue and white
> G3
It could have been a G2. They look all the same to me. About 5 years ago-
which model was out?
> Unfortunately it means plenty
> folk here will doubt *everything* you say.
I'm trying to remember a 2 day job 5 years ago. Not a tweak to my system
last week. Of course things would be hazy. I'm pretty sure the video card
was replaced, it's hazy though...maybe the Mac monitor was dead, and a PC
monitor worked? OK if you have proof that a PC video card won't work then
that's ok.
> If you want to leave it there fine. Personally I feel you should admit
> you lied about the Mac thing cos it doesn kinda make you look stupid.
See above.
Patrick Navin
>
> It could have been a G2. They look all the same to me. About 5 years ago-
> which model was out?
What the fuck is a G2? there's never been a Mac called a G2. More
trolling. You're such a bad liar it's brilliant. Even if there had been
"they a look the same" guffaw!
> I'm trying to remember a 2 day job 5 years ago. Not a tweak to my system
> last week. Of course things would be hazy. I'm pretty sure the video card
> was replaced, it's hazy though...maybe the Mac monitor was dead, and a PC
> monitor worked? OK if you have proof that a PC video card won't work then
> that's ok
>
You're a liar Nathan, it's quite clear none of this is true - you might
as well admit it - you've no experience of Macs and you call them crap
because that's how you deal with stuff you know nothing about!
My my, you've been very entertaining this week.
Nath
> as well admit it - you've no experience of Macs and you call them crap
> because that's how you deal with stuff you know nothing about!
Yes you're right. Velodyne HGS-18, Rel Studio, Krell poweramps, SVS B4, SVS
PB2 are all crap. Because I've never used them. Tosspot.
I see you didn't (or won't) name subs at ~£700 that are similar in
performance to my SVS.
I'm certainly not going to admit that Mac repair job didn't happen, nor
admit that I've never used Mac's just to give you a ego boost. Go into
detail a specific job you did 5 years ago. I bet you can't. As usual you
will ignore this, and just pick out something else in this reply to disprove
me.
The Mac I used had a handle on the front & back, with a glazed effect see
through (like glass) case. I think the front area was blue. What model was
that?
Rather than make fun of my lack of remembering Mac model names (like I care
whether it's a Gx whatever) don't you think you should explain what Mac it
could have been?
As usual you gloss over this, and just try to doubt the job I did. If you
said you repaired a xx computer years and got forget the exact details of
the job- would I try and disprove you did? No. I think you've got quite a
superiority complex. If someone disagrees with what you believe in, just
keep at it until they back down or change their mind to your way of
thinking... I won't.
Patrick Navin
>>You're a liar Nathan, it's quite clear none of this is true - you might
>>as well admit it - you've no experience of Macs and you call them crap
>>because that's how you deal with stuff you know nothing about!
>
>
> Yes you're right. Velodyne HGS-18, Rel Studio, Krell poweramps, SVS B4, SVS
> PB2 are all crap. Because I've never used them. Tosspot.
You need help. You don't seem to be able to understand what I'm typing.
>
> I see you didn't (or won't) name subs at ~£700 that are similar in
> performance to my SVS.
I'm not interested and I haven't heard enough subs to make the
comparison, nor have i heard the SVS. I'm not like you, I'm not going to
lie and say I have experience of something just to try and look clever.
>
> I'm certainly not going to admit that Mac repair job didn't happen, nor
> admit that I've never used Mac's just to give you a ego boost. Go into
> detail a specific job you did 5 years ago. I bet you can't. As usual you
> will ignore this, and just pick out something else in this reply to disprove
> me.
No, I'll pick out this again. You say you chnged the video card, a
pretty specific memory for something so "hazy". You also state that you
used a pc vide card in its place.
Unlesss you flashed the video card's ROM this would have been
impossible. Even if it was one of the very few cards that could be
flashed with a Mac ROM it seems unlikely you're telling the truth. you
made up a series of hardware failures in an attempt to portray the Mac
as unreliable and crap.
You have yet to make *any* substantial comment on the Mac OS and it's
(your words) 'foibles' barring the lack of a second mouse button.
>
> The Mac I used had a handle on the front & back, with a glazed effect see
> through (like glass) case. I think the front area was blue. What model was
> that?
>
> Rather than make fun of my lack of remembering Mac model names (like I care
> whether it's a Gx whatever) don't you think you should explain what Mac it
> could have been?
i already did in an earlier post. Using failry simple logic i deduced
that it was a Blue and White G3 Powermac. If you choose to ignore the
fact that's not my issue. If you try to wriggle out of your lies, that
too, is nothing to do withme.
>
> As usual you gloss over this, and just try to doubt the job I did. If you
> said you repaired a xx computer years and got forget the exact details of
> the job- would I try and disprove you did? No. I think you've got quite a
> superiority complex. If someone disagrees with what you believe in, just
> keep at it until they back down or change their mind to your way of
> thinking... I won't.
I've glossed over nothing. I've simply highlighted the factual
inaccuracies in your list of so called 'faults' you say you found in the
one Mac you claim to have had experience of. Even were any of this true,
which I believe it not to be, having set up one Mac is ot "experience of
Macs" any more than having taken a charter flight to Iboza is being pilot.
Nathan, this isn't about changing your mind. If you don't like Macs it's
no skin off my nose. From stuff you've written here I seriously think
you'd have trouble using one anyway. My point all along has been that
you're simply prejudiced against Macs for whatever unspecified reason
(Envy? Inadequacy? Fear?). It's not that Macs are crap, it's that you
don't like them. Why go out of your way to look a fool by making up
stuff that's simply laughable? I don't get it, I simply don't.
You still haven't recounted the story of the Apex DVD player you say you
saw catch fire.
Liam
news:e000bdd.03121...@posting.google.com...
> If you have c.£500 and want the best sub that money can buy, why not
> simply hold out for a second hand SVS or Velodyne CHT-15? They come up
> regularly and are rarely more than 6 to 9 months old.
>
> In the case of the Velodyne you have no worries with transformers and
> CE certification and you're ready to safely plug and play.
>
> With SVS, you know some other poor soul's done all the importing
> legwork for you.
Julian,
As you know, SVS shipped to the UK have 240V power supplies and there is no
need for CE certification for imported goods. Even insurance companies do
not exclude devices without CE certification, as they recognise that people
bring back electronics from Hing Kong, etc.
Cheers,
Liam
peter booth
"Liam" <despam@nerfherder67_at_hotmail_dot_com.despam> wrote in message
news:3fdc6016$0$11177$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...> > If you have c.Ł500 and want the best sub that money can buy, why not
> > simply hold out for a second hand SVS or Velodyne CHT-15? They come up
> > regularly and are rarely more than 6 to 9 months old.
> >
> > In the case of the Velodyne you have no worries with transformers and
> > CE certification and you're ready to safely plug and play.
> >
> > With SVS, you know some other poor soul's done all the importing
> > legwork for you.
>
>
> Julian,
>
> As you know, SVS shipped to the UK have 240V power supplies and there is
no
> need for CE certification for imported goods. Even insurance companies do
> not exclude devices without CE certification, as they recognise that
people
> bring back electronics from Hing Kong, etc.
>
> Cheers,
> Liam
>
>
they are) why so many for sale second hand ??
Liam
news:AvZCb.2889$FN....@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
>
> "Liam" <despam@nerfherder67_at_hotmail_dot_com.despam> wrote in message
> news:3fdc6016$0$11177$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
> > "AVTalk.co.uk" <in...@avtalk.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:e000bdd.03121...@posting.google.com...
> > > simply hold out for a second hand SVS or Velodyne CHT-15? They come up
> > > regularly and are rarely more than 6 to 9 months old.
> > >
> > > In the case of the Velodyne you have no worries with transformers and
> > > CE certification and you're ready to safely plug and play.
> > >
> > > With SVS, you know some other poor soul's done all the importing
> > > legwork for you.
> >
> >
> > Julian,
> >
> > As you know, SVS shipped to the UK have 240V power supplies and there is
> no
> > need for CE certification for imported goods. Even insurance companies
do
> > not exclude devices without CE certification, as they recognise that
> people
> > bring back electronics from Hing Kong, etc.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Liam
> >
> >
> One thing that doesn`t figure---If they are so good ( I don`t doubt that
> they are) why so many for sale second hand ??
What, Velodyne CHT15, REL Storm or SVS 20-39PC+ ?
REL, I guess simply because so many have been sold.
Velodyne & SVS probably because they tend to be bought more often by
enthusiasts who chop & change or upgrade.
I have only ever heard of 2 SVS being sold on and that was because they
didn't work well in their rooms (although I believe the owner of the first
then re-ordered a SVS and the second swapped his SVS for 2 Servo 15, which
didn't work well in the original owner's room and the ex-servo owner is now
much happier with the SVS in his room).
Cheers,
Liam
Nath
> they are) why so many for sale second hand ??
>
>
People upgrading from a PCi or PC Plus to the CS Ultra/SS or larger box
subs?
I could see myself upgrading from my PC Plus to two B4 Ultra's. If I have
the space & money! :-D
Kez
i think that's something we could could all do with out hearing about.
every day.
for ever.
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On Monday, December 8, 2003 5:50:39 PM UTC+8, Patrick Navin wrote:
> In order to add more bite to my system I'm looking at upgrading from my
> twin PSW1000.2's that I use with my Kef Eggs, to a single larger sub
> with more oomph.
> The reasons for this are that, since I laid a wood floor in my room, the
> sub response has diminished a little, necessitating increasing the ouput
>
of the subs, but I still think they are struggling to deliver the same
> slam they delivered ona carpeted floor.
> Not wanting to emulate Nathan, but inevitably I've seen a US sub (and I
> have to agree with Nath that the Yanks know subs and amplification) that
> I fancy but wont be able to get over there to listen to it within the
> next few months. Is it really viable to buy a sub unheard?
> I know the brand very well - I have their AV receiver the 1050, which is
> s simply stunning performer through use of high quality ouput stages and
> simple fuss free processing - but is this a fool's errand?
>
> The sub is this one:
> http://www.outlawaudio.com//products/lfm1_gallery.html
>
> not pretty - but then US AV gear rarely is.