I want some really good SF
Phil
drifted away from SF in recent years and seek some really good stuff. So
much of it these days is wordy floppy stuff (cf Dreaming in Smoke).
All opinions welcome.
Phil
Mike Scott
> Come on then is there some really good stuff still to be read? I have
> drifted away from SF in recent years and seek some really good stuff. So
> much of it these days is wordy floppy stuff (cf Dreaming in Smoke).
I didn't much care for _Dreaming in Smoke_ either.
Good recent stuff includes (takes a deep breath) _A Deepness in the
Sky_ by Vernor Vinge, _Against the Tide of Years_ by S M Stirling
(sequel to _Island in the Sea of Time_, and there's a third one due
next year), _A Civil Campaign_ by Lois McMaster Bujold (but don't
start there in the series), _Distraction_ by Bruce Sterling,
_Cryptonomicon_ by Neal Stephenson, _The Naked God_ by Peter F
Hamilton (third in a trilogy), _Darwinia_ by Robert Charles Wilson,
_Teranesia_ by Greg Egan, _To Say Nothing of the Dog_ by Connie
Willis, _Ender's Shadow_ by Orson Scott Card and _On Blue's Waters_ by
Gene Wolfe.
I'd say there's still some good stuff out there.
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John Robinson
> Come on then is there some really good stuff still to be read? I have
> drifted away from SF in recent years and seek some really good stuff. So
> much of it these days is wordy floppy stuff (cf Dreaming in Smoke).
It all depends on your definition of "really good stuff" I
suppose.
If you want concise, well-written SF which has sexy technology,
plenty of action and well-written characters, you could do a lot
worse than try Ken MacLeod's recent novels: THE STAR FRACTION,
THE STONE CANAL, THE CASSINI DIVISION and THE SKY ROAD. Though
they're not formally a series, it's worth reading them in
publication order IMO, since there are some characters who appear
in more than one novel. In particular, you really want to read at
least one of the first two before tackling the last two. Whatever
order you choose to read them in, you're in for a treat.
Other Good Stuff published recently:
A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY by Vernor Vinge is a superb story of an
encounter between two branches of the human race and an alien
species. While readers of his earlier novel, A FIRE UPON THE DEEP
(which is pretty good also) will get a bit more out of ADITS, the
later novel is a perfectly good standalone read. In fact,
"perfectly good" damns it with faint praise: it's superb, with an
all-too-human lead character and some of the best-realised aliens
in recent SF.
Peter F Hamilton's Night's Dawn trilogy - THE REALITY
DYSFUNCTION, THE NEUTRONIUM ALCHEMIST and THE NAKED GOD - is
very, very long but if you ever loved 'Doc' Smith then this is a
must read: space opera on a grand scale, with a cast of thousands
and lots of action. Each volume is a good thousand pages long,
but if you hang on long enough into the first volume to get
hooked (it does start a little slowly) then you'll be hooked.
John Varley is always a good bet, though he's better at short
fiction than novels. Nevertheless, his latest novel THE GOLDEN
GLOBE is a fun jaunt around his vision of a solar system where
Earth has been taken away from humanity by extraordinarily
powerful aliens, leaving mankind to follow its destiny in the
rest of the solar system. The plot may not hang together very
well if you stop and think about the number of coincidences
required to make everything come together, but Varley's ability
to keep you involved through the sheer exuberance of his writing
is more than adequate compensation IMO.
Finally, no roundup of Good Stuff would be complete without a
mention of Iain M Banks, whose Culture novels are simply terrific
examples of thoughtful modern space opera. USE OF WEAPONS is
probably the best of the bunch, though EXCESSION comes close, but
you'd do best to approach those novels via either THE PLAYER OF
GAMES or CONSIDER PHLEBAS. Not that the novels don't work well as
standalones: they aren't part of a formal series, but you'll get
more out of USE OF WEAPONS and EXCESSION if you already
understand a bit about how the Culture - and in particular
Contact section - work.
--
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"Money is a sign of poverty"
- old Culture proverb
Livia Mitson
Mike Scott <mi...@moose.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>"Phil" <ne...@exonp.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Come on then is there some really good stuff still to be read? I have
>> drifted away from SF in recent years and seek some really good stuff. So
>> much of it these days is wordy floppy stuff (cf Dreaming in Smoke).
>
>
>Good recent stuff includes (takes a deep breath)
>_Cryptonomicon_ by Neal Stephenson
Scheduled for release on 4th nov, I believe. Unless you've got it from
America.
I've read _Snow Crash_ and _The Diamond Age_ but I've had mixed reports of
his other books - are they worth getting?
Livia
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Livia Mitson wrote in message <7vl1b8$30o$1...@tickle.wheelwright.net>...
>In article <m24sf6g...@moose.demon.co.uk>,
>Mike Scott <mi...@moose.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>"Phil" <ne...@exonp.demon.co.uk> writes:
<cut>
>>_Cryptonomicon_ by Neal Stephenson
>
>Scheduled for release on 4th nov, I believe. Unless you've got it from
>America.
>
>I've read _Snow Crash_ and _The Diamond Age_ but I've had mixed reports of
>his other books - are they worth getting?
>
>Livia
>
>
In the Netherlands we don't have _Cryptonomicon_ yet either, but it's nice
to know his next book is on the way. _Zodiac_ is very good, though the book
is almost more fiction than sci-fi.
ik...@cix.compulink.co.uk
ne...@exonp.demon.co.uk (Phil) wrote:
> Come on then is there some really good stuff still to be read? I have
> drifted away from SF in recent years and seek some really good stuff. So
> much of it these days is wordy floppy stuff (cf Dreaming in Smoke).
>
> All opinions welcome.
Anything by Peter F. Hamilton. If the length of the Night's Dawn trilogy
is a bit daunting (>1000 pages per volume) try a Greg Mandel novel (A
Quantum Murder etc.) or the short story anthology A Second Chance at Eden
(just out in paperback I think)
I also like Larry Niven although he's been quite quiet recently. You might
try the Man Kzin Wars volumes I to VII. These are collections of short
stories and novellas by various authors writing about the Man-Kzin
conflicts as originated by Niven. I think that Vols IV to VII can only be
found in the US.
Ian M Banks' Inversions is now out in paperback. Not conventional SF but s
till very good.
The Second Foundation Trilogy books by Bear, Brin and Banford are
interesting but can drag a bit (although I haven't read the last one).
Ian Ridley
http://www.cix.co.uk/~ikr2 for the Leics and Rutland election archive
Mark Roberts
>
> Scheduled for release on 4th nov, I believe. Unless you've got it from
> America.
Ahh, nopes - release 1st Nov... NS was signing it today (2nd) in
Forbidden Planet, Oxford St. and I was going but couldn't... [stomps
feet]
--
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Mark Roberts
thought it was pretty darned good for a debut novel - some good ideas
although the characterisation started off a bit suspect. :)
Neil Thompson
thought was excellent.
Regards,
In article <941479805.21774.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, Phil
<ne...@exonp.demon.co.uk> writes
>Come on then is there some really good stuff still to be read? I have
>drifted away from SF in recent years and seek some really good stuff. So
>much of it these days is wordy floppy stuff (cf Dreaming in Smoke).
>
>All opinions welcome.
>
>Phil
>
>
--
Neil C Thompson
JOHN
novels too (one story set over 3 novels IIRC, they aren't standalone).
Chock full of ideas and action. The earlier books are strongest but the
whole series is quality. He has so many different themes in one book - other
authors would make a whole novel out of just parts of them.
John
Mike Scott <mi...@moose.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:m24sf6g...@moose.demon.co.uk...
> "Phil" <ne...@exonp.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> > Come on then is there some really good stuff still to be read? I have
> > drifted away from SF in recent years and seek some really good stuff. So
> > much of it these days is wordy floppy stuff (cf Dreaming in Smoke).
>
> I didn't much care for _Dreaming in Smoke_ either.
>
Matthew Malthouse
"JOHN" <joh...@lineone.net> wrote:
} Well Mike, I'd recommend Hyperion by Dan Simmons. It spawned a few follow
on
} novels too (one story set over 3 novels IIRC, they aren't standalone).
Two pairs rather than one and three. "Hyperion" and "The Fall of Hyperion"
followed by "Endymion" and "The Rise of Endymion" (Without chching the
titles, so I hope that I've got those right).
} Chock full of ideas and action. The earlier books are strongest but the
} whole series is quality. He has so many different themes in one book -
other
} authors would make a whole novel out of just parts of them.
Opinion here and on rasfw has been varied. Several posters found the latter
books weaker than the first.
I enjoyed them very much but recongnise that I tend to read rather
uncritically. When I've read them a coupl of times more I may have a
different opinion.
Matthew
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tonyC
7vnapk$e9c$1...@plutonium.comp
ulink.co.uk>,
ik...@cix.compulink.co.uk
wrote:
> > drifted away from SF in recent years and seek some really good stuff. So
> > much of it these days is wordy floppy stuff (cf Dreaming in Smoke).
> >
>
> Anything by Peter F. Hamilton. If the length of the Night's Dawn trilogy
> is a bit daunting (>1000 pages per volume) try a Greg Mandel novel (A
> Quantum Murder etc.) or the short story anthology A Second Chance at Eden
> (just out in paperback I think)
>
> I also like Larry Niven although he's been quite quiet recently. You might
> try the Man Kzin Wars volumes I to VII. These are collections of short
> stories and novellas by various authors writing about the Man-Kzin
> conflicts as originated by Niven. I think that Vols IV to VII can only be
> found in the US.
>
> Ian M Banks' Inversions is now out in paperback. Not conventional SF but s
> till very good.
>
> The Second Foundation Trilogy books by Bear, Brin and Banford are
> interesting but can drag a bit (although I haven't read the last one).
>
> Ian Ridley
> http://www.cix.co.uk/~ikr2 for the Leics and Rutland election archive
>
The last [3d] book in the new
Second Foundation series is
actually the best 'cause Brin ties
ties just about everything up
very neatly. Overall tho, the
series does drag a bit. I _must_
strongly second some already
mentioned authors and their top
works--Dan Simmons'
"Hyperion" /"Endymion" books,
4 vols. in all, is simply superb as is
Vernor Vinge's, "A Fire Upon the
Deep" [the recent prequel's
good but not quite up to the
latter; it clearly sets up a
continuing series of prequels
leading to AFUtD tho.] And Iain
Banks' culture series is just
incredible--in particular, "Use of
Weapons" is a tour de force. I
would add to the list, anything
by Greg Bear, especially his
"Forge of God"/"Anvil of Stars"
duo--the latter is an epic saga!
....tonyC
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Before you buy.
Matthew Malthouse
tonyC <gk...@my-deja.com> wrote:
} "A Fire Upon the
} Deep" [the recent prequel's
} good but not quite up to the
} latter; it clearly sets up a
} continuing series of prequels
} leading to AFUtD tho.]
Interesting. I happened to read "A Deepness in the Sky" before "A Fire upon
the Deep" and thought it, marginally, the better book.
Both are very good reads and to be recomended.
If Vinge produces anything of similar quality in the same universe I shall
be delighted.
Arthur
"Phil" <ne...@exonp.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Come on then is there some really good stuff still to be read? I have
> drifted away from SF in recent years and seek some really good stuff.
So
> much of it these days is wordy floppy stuff (cf Dreaming in Smoke).
>
> All opinions welcome.
>
>
>
Hello Phil, whether you like hard SF you should check my page, there are
many comments from reviewers (SFSITE, Huntress, Writers Lit...)
Thanks
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Mike Scott
> Well Mike, I'd recommend Hyperion by Dan Simmons. It spawned a few follow on
> novels too (one story set over 3 novels IIRC, they aren't standalone).
>
> Chock full of ideas and action. The earlier books are strongest but the
> whole series is quality. He has so many different themes in one book - other
> authors would make a whole novel out of just parts of them.
I'd also recommend _Hyperion_, but I was only listing recent
stuff. _Hyperion_ is something like a decade old.
sburke
news:B44B4DDB...@0.0.0.0...
> If Vinge produces anything of similar quality in the same universe I shall
> be delighted.
Have you read Across Realtime? Not the same Universe, but well worth
reading.
--
Stephen Burke
Matthew Malthouse
"sburke" <sbu...@eggconnect.net> wrote:
Nop, it's on my 'look out for' list. Slightly lower priority than the stuff
in the house that's still unread.
David McKinlay
The Witling
Grimm's World
Nowhere near as good as his two latest works - early and probably out of
print.
David McKinlay
Matthew Malthouse <use...@calmeilles.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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David McKinlay
reports in the UK of Hamiltons's short story batch is bad.
For pure fun try Lois McMaster Bujold. They are exhilarating.
Try Cyteen and Downstation Below by C J Cherryh for good hard sf (ok written
more than a decade ago but well worth the read)
David McKinlay
<ik...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7vnapk$e9c$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk...
> In article <941479805.21774.0...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> ne...@exonp.demon.co.uk (Phil) wrote:
>
> > Come on then is there some really good stuff still to be read? I have
> > drifted away from SF in recent years and seek some really good stuff. So
> > much of it these days is wordy floppy stuff (cf Dreaming in Smoke).
> >
> > All opinions welcome.
>
Robin Low
<dmck...@usa.net> writes
>The three Greg Mandel novels are good - last a bit weak imo - but all
>reports in the UK of Hamiltons's short story batch is bad.
I enjoyed Hamilton's 'A Second Chance at Eden' very much. Out of the
seven stories, three are simply okay, but the other four are very good
indeed. The title story is certainly the best of the lot (and at 200
pages, is a substantial read), and I think it adds something to The
Night's Dawn series.
Regards
Robin
--
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sburke
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> Try Cyteen and Downstation Below by C J Cherryh for good hard sf (ok
written
> more than a decade ago but well worth the read)
Is Cyteen out of print? It isn't listed by amazon.co.uk, and I haven't seen
it in a bookshop.
--
Stephen Burke
David McKinlay
the book to make up my own mind - unfortunately I have got too many "urgent"
books I want to read but work doesn't allow me the time to do it. Thanks
for differnet view though.
David
Robin Low <ro...@celephais.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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ROU Evolution in Action
<sbu...@eggconnect.net> asserted
It's recently been reprinted in a single volume iirc - try amazon.com
instead, since it may be only released in USA, and amazon.co.uk are
getting a bit paranoid about listing some of the USA versions these
days.
ROU Evolution in Action
sburke
news:QEBpqHAD...@quik.fsnet.co.uk...
> It's recently been reprinted in a single volume iirc - try amazon.com
OK, thanks.
> instead, since it may be only released in USA, and amazon.co.uk are
> getting a bit paranoid about listing some of the USA versions these
> days.
Well, I just bought three books from them, and two were US editions even
though they're both published in the UK as well.
--
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Matthew Malthouse
"sburke" <sbu...@eggconnect.net> wrote:
The issues of publication and distribution are a little convoluted.
Essentially if, as if norman, separate publishing rights are sold for
N.America and the UK then a UK bookshop is quite okay ordering a single
US/Can edition for a customer but putting stacks of that edition on the
shelves would be considered prejudicial to the UK publishers rights.
I suspect that it is this that caused Amazon.co.uk to stop advertising N.Am
editions on their site. I asked but they didn't comment on that
specifically however they did say that they could _not_ supply N.Am
editions which I find very inconvenient as I have a debit card that I can
use with Amazon UK but not a credit card so can't buy from the US.
ROU Evolution in Action
<sbu...@eggconnect.net> asserted
>ROU Evolution in Action <R...@quik.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:QEBpqHAD...@quik.fsnet.co.uk...
>> It's recently been reprinted in a single volume iirc - try amazon.com
>
>OK, thanks.
>
>> instead, since it may be only released in USA, and amazon.co.uk are
>> getting a bit paranoid about listing some of the USA versions these
>> days.
>
>Well, I just bought three books from them, and two were US editions even
>though they're both published in the UK as well.
Yep, it seems to vary depending on how much the offended UK publisher
kicks up a fuss. The hardback (US) of _Deepness_ came and went real
fast, and when I complained amazon.co.uk told me they could no longer
ship the US edition in the UK.
ROU Evolution in Action
sburke
> N.America and the UK then a UK bookshop is quite okay ordering a single
> US/Can edition for a customer but putting stacks of that edition on the
> shelves would be considered prejudicial to the UK publishers rights.
But in the case of Cyteen it sounds as though there *is* no UK publisher, at
least that's publishing it ATM, so how are their rights being affected?
> editions which I find very inconvenient as I have a debit card that I can
> use with Amazon UK but not a credit card so can't buy from the US.
Can't you get a Visa debit card? I assume that would work.
--
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Terrance Richard Boyes
Or try Forbidden Planet, who quite often have stacks of imported
books...
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Matthew Malthouse
"sburke" <sbu...@eggconnect.net> wrote:
} Matthew Malthouse <use...@calmeilles.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
} news:B4538769...@0.0.0.0...
} > N.America and the UK then a UK bookshop is quite okay ordering a single
} > US/Can edition for a customer but putting stacks of that edition on the
} > shelves would be considered prejudicial to the UK publishers rights.
}
} But in the case of Cyteen it sounds as though there *is* no UK publisher,
at
} least that's publishing it ATM, so how are their rights being affected?
In potentia I suspect. Especially as "Cyteen" has had a UK publication in
the past so a re-print mat be on the cards.
} > editions which I find very inconvenient as I have a debit card that I
can
} > use with Amazon UK but not a credit card so can't buy from the US.
}
} Can't you get a Visa debit card? I assume that would work.
Apparently not with my current bank. Actually overseas e-mail order is
about the only thing I find inconvenient in not having one.
Matthew Malthouse
t...@pierrot.co.uk (Terrance Richard Boyes) wrote:
} Or try Forbidden Planet, who quite often have stacks of imported
} books...
I do. And often find things there but their selection (both in imports and
general stuff they shelve) isn't always to my taste. Presumable they know
their clientel so maybe I'm untypical.
And I haven't yet found a copy of Wolfe's "On Blue's Waters" which makes
the Lupine mailing lists a somewhat perilous read at the moment.
For older books the second hand shelves in the SF section (downstairs) of
Murder One is good.
Terrance Richard Boyes
> In article <19991114.16035...@pierrot.co.uk>,
> t...@pierrot.co.uk (Terrance Richard Boyes) wrote:
> } Or try Forbidden Planet, who quite often have stacks of imported
> } books...
> I do. And often find things there but their selection (both in imports and
> general stuff they shelve) isn't always to my taste. Presumable they know
> their clientel so maybe I'm untypical.
They will also import books to order.
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They say elephants never forget, of course what do they have to remember.
Matthew Malthouse
t...@pierrot.co.uk (Terrance Richard Boyes) wrote:
} Matthew Malthouse <use...@calmeilles.demon.co.uk> wrote:
} > In article <19991114.16035...@pierrot.co.uk>,
} > t...@pierrot.co.uk (Terrance Richard Boyes) wrote:
}
} > } Or try Forbidden Planet, who quite often have stacks of imported
} > } books...
}
} > I do. And often find things there but their selection (both in imports
and
} > general stuff they shelve) isn't always to my taste. Presumable they
know
} > their clientel so maybe I'm untypical.
}
} They will also import books to order.
First find someone on the staff who isn't busy doing something else.
Robin Chapman
mat...@calmeilles.demon.co.uk wrote:
> And I haven't yet found a copy of Wolfe's "On Blue's Waters" which
makes
> the Lupine mailing lists a somewhat perilous read at the moment.
I have just received a copy of this from amazon.co.uk for about
13 quid.
--
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http://www.maths.ex.ac.uk/~rjc/rjc.html
"`Well, I'd already done a PhD in X-Files Theory at UCLA, ...'"
Greg Egan, _Teranesia_
Matthew Malthouse
} In article <38275...@news1.vip.uk.com>,
} "sburke" <sbu...@eggconnect.net> wrote:
}
} } Matthew Malthouse <use...@calmeilles.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
} } news:B44B4DDB...@0.0.0.0...
} } > If Vinge produces anything of similar quality in the same
} } > universe I shall be delighted.
} }
} } Have you read Across Realtime? Not the same Universe, but well worth
} } reading.
}
} Nop, it's on my 'look out for' list. Slightly lower priority than the
} stuff in the house that's still unread.
Something rather non-U in following one's own post but this is weird.
Looking for something else entirely I came upon "Across Realtime" in
one of the many stacks of books around the house.
Might as well, I thought, given the mention here and started reading.
It took until page 35 before I realised that I'd read it already, and
not long ago at that. The onlt scene I actually remembered was the
almost-dogs attacking Wil Brierson up the cliff.
A remarkably small impression for a book to leave on me and it's by
no means a bad one, although not nearly as impressive as "A Fire upon
the Deep" or "A Deepness in the Sky".
<sigh> Note to self: clear up more often.
Matthew
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version so it will take a couple of weeks. In general WHSonline is cheaper
than Amazon UK.
David
ROU Evolution in Action <R...@quik.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Bitstring <382b0...@news1.vip.uk.com> from the wonderful sburke
> <sbu...@eggconnect.net> asserted
> >David McKinlay <dmck...@usa.net> wrote in message
> >news:80aerg$30e$3...@epos.tesco.net...
> >> Try Cyteen and Downstation Below by C J Cherryh for good hard sf (ok
> >written
> >> more than a decade ago but well worth the read)
> >
> >Is Cyteen out of print? It isn't listed by amazon.co.uk, and I haven't
seen
> >it in a bookshop.
> >
> >--
> >Stephen Burke
>
> It's recently been reprinted in a single volume iirc - try amazon.com
> instead, since it may be only released in USA, and amazon.co.uk are
> getting a bit paranoid about listing some of the USA versions these
> days.
>
> ROU Evolution in Action
Mike Scott
wrote:
>Try WHSonline www.bookshop.co.uk they have it at £8-35; it is the US
>version so it will take a couple of weeks. In general WHSonline is cheaper
>than Amazon UK.
Furthermore, Smiths are the largest wholesale book distributor in the
UK, and their attitude can make or break a book. As far as I can tell
this means that the publishers don't dare lean on them and stop them
from distributing US books for which the UK rights have been sold.
--
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sburke
> Try WHSonline www.bookshop.co.uk they have it at £8-35; it is the US
> version so it will take a couple of weeks. In general WHSonline is cheaper
> than Amazon UK.
Thanks. I recently bought some books and checked prices at WHS, bol and
amazon, and amazon were significantly cheaper, so maybe it varies from one
book to another.
--
Stephen Burke
Castellan
> Furthermore, Smiths are the largest wholesale book distributor in the
> UK, and their attitude can make or break a book. As far as I can tell
> this means that the publishers don't dare lean on them and stop them
> from distributing US books for which the UK rights have been sold.
>
while ago. Publishers can actually be quite a vocal lot, when retailers
and wholesalers try and throw their weight around viz. Waterstones :-)
--
Charlie
Nix
> The hardback (US) of _Deepness_ came and went real
> fast
and some of us snapped it up anyway ;)
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