Manga artwork methods
Jonathan Beckett
Hi Everybody,
I've been interested in Manga style artwork for a couple of years now,
and had a quick go at a picture the other night. What intruiges me is
the various methods used to draw the range of artwork around.
For a quick test, I pencilled the character in, then blocked colours
in with pastels before fixing and inking in with a permanent marker.
It looks fine, but it's obvious that it's not the way most manga is
actually done.
The older 70s and 80s stuff (like the old Atari and Konami sleeves)
seems to be watercolour or acrylic, but the newer stuff, like disney I
suppose, seems to be almost entirely digital. I have seen odd bits of
promotional artwork from Capcom and Sega that are obviously
traditionally drawn though.
Oh - and another thing - it's funny when you start analysing Manga
artwork how you notice the "method" used for faces of male/female and
child characters. Does anybody know of any web pages documenting these
kinds of drawing issues with regard to Manga? (an unwritten rules
page?)
JB
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JB (jonbeckett@bigfoot,com)
Stuart Dawson
jonbe...@bigfoot.com (Jonathan Beckett) wrote:
>For a quick test, I pencilled the character in, then blocked colours
>in with pastels before fixing and inking in with a permanent marker.
>It looks fine, but it's obvious that it's not the way most manga is
>actually done.
No. Most of the stuff we see over here has been done by people with
some talent.
If you haven't got any or aren't prepared to put the work in to
improve you'll never be able to produce anything apart from naff fan
art.
>Oh - and another thing - it's funny when you start analysing Manga
>artwork how you notice the "method" used for faces of male/female and
>child characters. Does anybody know of any web pages documenting these
>kinds of drawing issues with regard to Manga? (an unwritten rules
>page?)
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There is no such thing as a list of rules on how to draw 'manga style'
because you can't do it! There's _loads_ of styles out there not just
one. You may be able to emulate the work of a few artists but
basically you either draw decent art or you don't.
Analyse some other styles from different Japanese artists and you'll
see what I mean (with a bit of luck).
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Jon Beckett
>No. Most of the stuff we see over here has been done by people with
>some talent.
I don't usually rise to comments like yours, but you appear to be so
ignorant and obnoxious that I couldn't let it pass. You don't have the
slightest idea who I am or what artistic abilities I posess.
>If you haven't got any or aren't prepared to put the work in to
>improve you'll never be able to produce anything apart from naff fan
>art.
>You may be able to emulate the work of a few artists but
>basically you either draw decent art or you don't.
Do you mind if I ask what you actually do for a living or what your
background is with regard to Anime and Manga that qualifies you to be
such an unquestionable (and unreasonable) authority on it?
JB (jonbeckett@bigfoot,com)
Stephen Carlton
Jonathan Beckett <jonbe...@bigfoot.com> wrote in article
<34f02c7d...@read.news.global.net.uk>...
>
> Oh - and another thing - it's funny when you start analysing Manga
> artwork how you notice the "method" used for faces of male/female and
> child characters. Does anybody know of any web pages documenting these
> kinds of drawing issues with regard to Manga? (an unwritten rules
> page?)
>
>
Not exactly, but you might find the following site interesting;
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~tcl/StudioM/
Stephen Carlton
Robert Fahey
I heard gunshots - I opened the door, but it was only Jon Beckett
<jonbe...@bigfoot.com>. Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
>>If you haven't got any or aren't prepared to put the work in to
>>improve you'll never be able to produce anything apart from naff fan
>>art.
>>You may be able to emulate the work of a few artists but
>>basically you either draw decent art or you don't.
>Do you mind if I ask what you actually do for a living or what your
>background is with regard to Anime and Manga that qualifies you to be
>such an unquestionable (and unreasonable) authority on it?
Well, Stuart has a point but he hasn't expressed it very well. I think
what he was trying to say is that its no good copying the style of
another artist - you have to gradually develop your own, and that does
require a measure of talent, as well as practice. However, a good place
to start is by emulating other styles, until you do find one that fits
and gradually distill your own from it. Try the following URL for some
good hints and starters:
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~tcl/StudioM/
As to the colours, what I do is I to draw the line art on paper, scan it
and then colour it in Photoshop. But you could buy acrylic paints and do
stuff on cels, which is what most anime is done on.
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Jon Beckett
>a good place
>to start is by emulating other styles, until you do find one that fits
>and gradually distill your own from it.
Withoug getting into it too deeply here, don't you think all manga is
essentially following a style? What you seem to be suggesting is that
perhaps all the rennaissance painters were copying each other, or the
preraphelites, or the impressionists....
I have to say so far I tend to prefer the more obviously skilled work
- the paintings that were perhaps destined for promotional posters or
comic book jackets.
>http://www.alphalink.com.au/~tcl/StudioM/
TVM. I'll have a look!
Thanks for the help Robert.
JB (jonbeckett@bigfoot,com)
Robert Fahey
I heard gunshots - I opened the door, but it was only Jon Beckett
<jonbe...@bigfoot.com>. Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
>Withoug getting into it too deeply here, don't you think all manga is
>essentially following a style? What you seem to be suggesting is that
>perhaps all the rennaissance painters were copying each other, or the
>preraphelites, or the impressionists....
Well, its following a basic set of unwritten guidelines, and there are
certain techniques which many artists use. However, I don't think its
fair to describe manga as following a style, because there are so many
different styles within anime and manga.
I personally prefer to view anime as a seperate medium as opposed to a
genre...
>I have to say so far I tend to prefer the more obviously skilled work
>- the paintings that were perhaps destined for promotional posters or
>comic book jackets.
I agree totally, but it doesn't detract from the skill of those who do
the 'standard' work.
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SR Dominguez
Stuart Dawson <stu...@jingoro.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: jonbe...@bigfoot.com (Jonathan Beckett) wrote:
: >For a quick test, I pencilled the character in, then blocked colours
: >in with pastels before fixing and inking in with a permanent marker.
: >It looks fine, but it's obvious that it's not the way most manga is
: >actually done.
: No. Most of the stuff we see over here has been done by people with
: some talent.
Dunno about that Stuart. One of the best artists I've ever known drew in
Biro. He spent some time in prison (for some minor offence - withholding
of evidence) and couldn't get art materials, so he spent HOURS drawing
incredibly detailed pics for my 'zine in prison-issue pens. When he got
out, he carried on using biro because he liked the texture it produced. He
was a Yoshitaka Amano fan, and IMO his pics were better than most examples
of Amano's work I've seen. Probably wouldn't work for standard anime-style,
byut you can't knock somebody for using crappy art materials. I myself use
Berol pens as touchup over watercolour paints (wouldn't want to ruin my art
pens) and acetate markers for overhead projectors to touchup over letratone
(and you can scratch it away with the letratone to produce neat effects).
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Stuart Dawson
jonbe...@bigfoot.com (Jon Beckett) wrote:
>You don't have the
>slightest idea who I am or what artistic abilities I posess.
That's correct, but I just get sick and tired of every Tom, Dick and
Harrold who thinks he's God's gift popping up and saying how great
they are. Normally your sort of post is made by someone who can draw
a bit but is _nver_ going to make it.
You may be an excellent artist but if you were I suspect you'd
probably _not_ be asking 'if there are rules about drawing manga
style'. You'd already have your own style.
>Do you mind if I ask what you actually do for a living or what your
>background is with regard to Anime and Manga that qualifies you to be
>such an unquestionable (and unreasonable) authority on it?
I'm a postman with absolutely no artistic qualification in the world.
But I have spent years staring at supposedly good fanart thinking "90%
of this is shit compared to the work by the original artists". It's
just opinion.
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Robert Fahey <rob...@iol.ie> wrote:
>Well, Stuart has a point but he hasn't expressed it very well.
I thought short tempered and bloody minded was fairly normal for me.
^_^
Foxy
On 25 Feb 1998, SR Dominguez wrote:
> Dunno about that Stuart. One of the best artists I've ever known drew in
> Biro. He spent some time in prison (for some minor offence - withholding
> of evidence) and couldn't get art materials, so he spent HOURS drawing
> incredibly detailed pics for my 'zine in prison-issue pens. When he got
> out, he carried on using biro because he liked the texture it produced. He
> was a Yoshitaka Amano fan, and IMO his pics were better than most examples
> of Amano's work I've seen.
Reed Waller, artist of the comic "Omaha The Cat Dancer" (published by
Kitchen Sink Press, and then for a while by Fantagraphics) apparently
lost some pages, or had some pages damaged of an issue when on the way to
the printers.. so, he dug out some spare paper and a biro and redrew them
all on the spot. I've been shown in the collected graphic novcels where
he switched from brush and art pens to biro. It's impossible to tell the
difference :)
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SR Dominguez
Stuart Dawson <stu...@jingoro.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: But I have spent years staring at supposedly good fanart thinking "90%
: of this is shit compared to the work by the original artists". It's
: just opinion.
Guess I could rely on you for an honest opinion, eh Stuart?
Actually, if I could ink half as well as I use screentone, I'd probably have
it made.
Here's another point though - some of the original published artists' work
is WORSE than most 'supposedly good' fanart. Personally, I can't stand
minimalist style shojo (Takahashi's early stuff looks like fanart in places
too).
Stephen Carlton
Jon Beckett <jonbe...@bigfoot.com> wrote in article
<34f31cc3...@read.news.global.net.uk>...
> >a good place
> >to start is by emulating other styles, until you do find one that fits
> >and gradually distill your own from it.
>
> Withoug getting into it too deeply here, don't you think all manga is
> essentially following a style? What you seem to be suggesting is that
> perhaps all the rennaissance painters were copying each other, or the
> preraphelites, or the impressionists....
>
If I remember my art history right, I think they were.. or perhaps it would
be better to say that they were all following similar guidelines... aiming
for a
specific look. Just like those of us following the japanese style probably
do
come to think of it!
> I have to say so far I tend to prefer the more obviously skilled work
> - the paintings that were perhaps destined for promotional posters or
> comic book jackets.
Yes, I think I know what you mean. The examples I`ve seen of that type
of thing look to be done in watercolours or markers.
>
> >http://www.alphalink.com.au/~tcl/StudioM/
>
> TVM. I'll have a look!
Yeah, there`s a lot of interesting stuff to be found on that site, I think
you'll enjoy it.
Stephen Carlton.
Stephen Carlton
. One of the best artists I've ever known drew in
> Biro. He spent some time in prison (for some minor offence - withholding
> of evidence) and couldn't get art materials, so he spent HOURS drawing
> incredibly detailed pics for my 'zine in prison-issue pens. When he got
> out, he carried on using biro because he liked the texture it produced.
I must admit to a sneaking liking for the good old biro myself. You can get
some
really nice ones nowadays too.
I tend to favour the Osmiroid india ink sketching pen and the pentel brush
pen
for fanzine work though.
Stephen Carlton.
Stephen Carlton
You may be an excellent artist but if you were I suspect you'd
> probably _not_ be asking 'if there are rules about drawing manga style'.
You'd already have your own style.
I was asking similar questions to Jon a couple of years ago and I _did_
have my own style, it just _wasn't_ manga style! Where's the harm in
asking for a bit of advice?
>I have spent years staring at supposedly good fanart thinking >"90% of
this is shit compared to the work by the original artists".
A lot of those original artists were probably fan artists at some point
themselves! Everybody has to start somewhere.
Robert Fahey
I heard gunshots - I opened the door, but it was only Stuart Dawson
<stu...@jingoro.demon.co.uk>. Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
>That's correct, but I just get sick and tired of every Tom, Dick and
>Harrold who thinks he's God's gift popping up and saying how great
>they are. Normally your sort of post is made by someone who can draw
>a bit but is _nver_ going to make it.
Um, Stuart, hate to be utterly pedantic, but Jon never said anything of
the sort. He asked for advice, he didn't pop up and say how great he
was. I think its fair to say that everyone on the group has dabbled in
fan art at one time or another, so what can possibly be wrong with
asking for a bit of advice?
>You may be an excellent artist but if you were I suspect you'd
>probably _not_ be asking 'if there are rules about drawing manga
>style'. You'd already have your own style.
But in order to develop your own style, you have to experiment with
other styles. Eventually, if you stick at it, you'll settle into your
own style. But if you're just starting out, then why reinvent the wheel?
>But I have spent years staring at supposedly good fanart thinking "90%
>of this is shit compared to the work by the original artists". It's
>just opinion.
True. But there is a lot of damn good fan art out there as well... as
the art editor at InDublin would tell you... Unable to get screengrabs
of FFVII for the review, I submitted about a meg of the best fan art I
could find... and they published it all! <grin>
Stuart Dawson
SR Dominguez <u5...@keele.ac.uk> wrote:
>: No. Most of the stuff we see over here has been done by people with
>: some talent.
>Dunno about that Stuart. <snip>
I was thinking of the translated manga we get over here but your point
is taken.
Stuart Dawson
SR Dominguez <u5...@keele.ac.uk> wrote:
>: But I have spent years staring at supposedly good fanart thinking "90%
>: of this is shit compared to the work by the original artists". It's
>: just opinion.
>Guess I could rely on you for an honest opinion, eh Stuart?
Oh absolutely. Dangerous thing asking for it though. If I don't like
what I see I'll say so.
>Here's another point though - some of the original published artists' work
>is WORSE than most 'supposedly good' fanart. Personally, I can't stand
>minimalist style shojo (Takahashi's early stuff looks like fanart in places
>too).
True. But if the style of artwork fits the story they can get away
with it. In the main though there's very little fan art that comes
close to the original artists. When it's good I'll say so.
Stuart Dawson
Robert Fahey <rob...@iol.ie> wrote:
>Um, Stuart, hate to be utterly pedantic, but Jon never said anything of
>the sort. He asked for advice, he didn't pop up and say how great he
>was. I think its fair to say that everyone on the group has dabbled in
>fan art at one time or another, so what can possibly be wrong with
>asking for a bit of advice?
Must have been the way he did it that just annoyed me. As soon as
someone starts talking about "the manga style" I tend to start
ranting. It's a bit like Jim and the BBFC.
>>You may be an excellent artist but if you were I suspect you'd
>>probably _not_ be asking 'if there are rules about drawing manga
>>style'. You'd already have your own style.
>But in order to develop your own style, you have to experiment with
>other styles. Eventually, if you stick at it, you'll settle into your
>own style. But if you're just starting out, then why reinvent the wheel?
That's a different thing. He questioned my knowledge of his artistic
competence. I supplied an answer.
>True. But there is a lot of damn good fan art out there as well... as
>the art editor at InDublin would tell you... Unable to get screengrabs
>of FFVII for the review, I submitted about a meg of the best fan art I
>could find... and they published it all! <grin>
Oh yes there is some good fan art out there but I just happen to think
that it is in the minority. Of the stuff up in the art room at Shin
there was only 3 pieces that I thought were excellent. There was a
fair few that would fall in the 'nice' or 'good' catagory and the
majority was cack.
Nyk Tarr
Once upon a time in the land of uk.media.animation.anime,
SR Dominguez wrote:
> Here's another point though - some of the original published artists' work
> is WORSE than most 'supposedly good' fanart. Personally, I can't stand
> minimalist style shojo (Takahashi's early stuff looks like fanart in places
> too).
Takahashi is a /really/ bad example. Her reputation is not based on
the artwork at all, but on her storytelling.
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stu...@jingoro.demon.co.uk (Stuart Dawson) wrote:
>SR Dominguez <u5...@keele.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>: But I have spent years staring at supposedly good fanart thinking "90%
>>: of this is shit compared to the work by the original artists". It's
>>: just opinion.
>
>>Guess I could rely on you for an honest opinion, eh Stuart?
>
>Oh absolutely. Dangerous thing asking for it though. If I don't like
>what I see I'll say so.
I can vouch for that...<sounds of weeping and tearing up of
artwork>... :-P
>>Here's another point though - some of the original published artists' work
>>is WORSE than most 'supposedly good' fanart. Personally, I can't stand
>>minimalist style shojo (Takahashi's early stuff looks like fanart in places
>>too).
>
>True. But if the style of artwork fits the story they can get away
>with it. In the main though there's very little fan art that comes
>close to the original artists. When it's good I'll say so.
If they're being honest with themselves, fan artists aren't setting
out to be "as good as" professional manga-ka. They're simply doing
something they enjoy, and which hopefully will bring pleasure to
others who look at their artwork. Fans typically don't have the time
or effort to devote to it that the pros do, so the comparison is
inherently unfair.
I use a slightly more... humane standard. If an artist's work is
simply better than what I can do (and believe me that's not hard),
then they're worthy of my respect.
If you need a laugh, there's some of my artwork online:-
http://www.ryouko.demon.co.uk/fanart.htm
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Duncan Law-Green
stu...@jingoro.demon.co.uk (Stuart Dawson) wrote:
>Robert Fahey <rob...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>>Um, Stuart, hate to be utterly pedantic, but Jon never said anything of
>>the sort. He asked for advice, he didn't pop up and say how great he
>>was. I think its fair to say that everyone on the group has dabbled in
>>fan art at one time or another, so what can possibly be wrong with
>>asking for a bit of advice?
>
>Must have been the way he did it that just annoyed me. As soon as
>someone starts talking about "the manga style" I tend to start
>ranting. It's a bit like Jim and the BBFC.
What gets me _seriously_ annoyed about the term "manga style" is the
way it's horribly misused by the American comics industry. They seem
to think they can come up with any old tat with dismal artwork, and as
long as it's got big round eyes, it'll sell to the fanboys. What makes
it worse is they seem to be right... they keep producing the stuff, so
it must be selling :(
Ja na
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Foxy
On 26 Feb 1998, Nyk Tarr wrote:
> Takahashi is a /really/ bad example. Her reputation is not based on
> the artwork at all, but on her storytelling.
True, but there are some background scenes I'm intensely jealous of in
the "Inu-Yasha" series!
Foxy
On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Duncan Law-Green wrote:
> If they're being honest with themselves, fan artists aren't setting
> out to be "as good as" professional manga-ka. They're simply doing
> something they enjoy, and which hopefully will bring pleasure to
> others who look at their artwork. Fans typically don't have the time
> or effort to devote to it that the pros do, so the comparison is
> inherently unfair.
Fan artists are drawing as a hobby, let us not forget. Personally, I'll
sit down and say "ooh, it's an hour till <something good> is on tv, what
shall I do?", and quickly run off a pencil sketch and ink it, just for
the sake of time wasting, and it being 'something I like doing'.
Actually finding time to devote to a manga series (as I'm trying atm) is
difficult, and a storyboard much more time-consuming and taxing than
doing individual illustrations.
> I use a slightly more... humane standard. If an artist's work is
> simply better than what I can do (and believe me that's not hard),
> then they're worthy of my respect.
This is a good way of looking at things. Personally, I've been running
fanzines since 1993 (not anime themed, mind you), and have seen a vast
range of art styles and talents, from professional quality to supremely bad.
However, *if* someone is taking spare time to draw, and to try to create
something, then that's worthy of respect, imo.
I've seen comments in an APA (closed-circuit fanzine, where the members
comment on each others work) along the lines of "your art is crap, now go
away", and that achieves nothing.
If something is wrong, point it out, and offer suggestions - heck,
re-draw the picture the way you see it and send it to the original
artist, saying "this is how I'd have done this bit".
Erf. I'll go now, I've written too much :)
And Duncan.. your artwork is fine!
Stuart Dawson
"Stephen Carlton" <steve-...@clara.net> wrote:
>I was asking similar questions to Jon a couple of years ago and I _did_
>have my own style, it just _wasn't_ manga style!
For the hundredth time, I don't think there is any such thing as "a
manga style".
>A lot of those original artists were probably fan artists at some point
>themselves! Everybody has to start somewhere.
And their fan art was _probably_ in the 10% bracket that isn't shit.
Stuart Dawson
d...@ryouko.demon.spam-killer.co.uk (Duncan Law-Green) wrote:
>>Oh absolutely. Dangerous thing asking for it though. If I don't like
>>what I see I'll say so.
>I can vouch for that...<sounds of weeping and tearing up of
>artwork>... :-P
That Rei one you did was top!
>Fans typically don't have the time or effort to devote to
>it that the pros do, so the comparison is inherently unfair.
I guess...
>PS: umaa now seems to be the highest-traffic anime group on Usenet.
>This is getting silly... ^_^;;
Yay! ^_^
Stuart Dawson
"Nyk Tarr" <N...@tomobiki.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Takahashi is a /really/ bad example. Her reputation is not based on
>the artwork at all, but on her storytelling.
Same with Twilight X <plug plug everyone go find some of it and read
it>. His early artwork is _crap_! I mean it's really, _really_ dire
in places but the charas, story and gags manage to carry it.
Dr Duncan Law-Green
Stuart Dawson wrote:
>
> d...@ryouko.demon.spam-killer.co.uk (Duncan Law-Green) wrote:
>
> >>Oh absolutely. Dangerous thing asking for it though. If I don't like
> >>what I see I'll say so.
>
> >I can vouch for that...<sounds of weeping and tearing up of
> >artwork>... :-P
>
> That Rei one you did was top!
<grin> I was quite pleased with the way that one came out... could have
done with more work on the background though...
Be warned... I've got access to Photoshop now, so I'll be able to
produce bad fan art much more rapidly and efficiently than before ^_^;
If there are any anime fanartists who have used Photoshop and have some
useful tips, please get in touch...
Ja na
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In article <34F6C5...@nospam.star.le.ac.uk>, Dr Duncan Law-Green
<d...@nospam.star.le.ac.uk> wrote:
>Be warned... I've got access to Photoshop now, so I'll be able to
>produce bad fan art much more rapidly and efficiently than before ^_^;
>If there are any anime fanartists who have used Photoshop and have some
>useful tips, please get in touch...
---------------------------------
You must be kidding. It takes me just as long to get something looking
decent in Pshop as it ever did with the ol' paints n' cel. It just lets me
do things I'd never be able to traditionally.
As for tips. Learn how to use channels and always still do the orignal
drawing/linework by hand. Even graphic tablets are no substitute for pen and
paper.
You might want to also take a look at Painter. It's slower than Pshop but
for realistic natural looking media it beats it hands down.
Wil
Nyk Tarr
Once upon a time in the land of uk.media.animation.anime,
> On 26 Feb 1998, Nyk Tarr wrote:
>> Takahashi is a /really/ bad example. Her reputation is not based on
>> the artwork at all, but on her storytelling.
> True, but there are some background scenes I'm intensely jealous of in
> the "Inu-Yasha" series!
I haven't seen this later work yet. I got rather disenchanted with her
gothic horror stuff in Mermaid's bollocks, or whatever it was called.
That's probably an interesting point tho'; are the backgrounds her
work at all, or a minion's?
Nyk
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In article <888580733.25684.2...@news.demon.co.uk>, Stuart
Dawson <stu...@jingoro.demon.co.uk> writes
>d...@ryouko.demon.spam-killer.co.uk (Duncan Law-Green) wrote:
>
>>Fans typically don't have the time or effort to devote to
>>it that the pros do, so the comparison is inherently unfair.
>
>I guess...
also unfair, ne...
>
Helen
Helen McCarthy
In article <903.361T13...@tomobiki.demon.co.uk>, Nyk Tarr
<N...@tomobiki.demon.co.uk> writes
>Once upon a time in the land of uk.media.animation.anime,
>
>> Here's another point though - some of the original published artists' work
>> is WORSE than most 'supposedly good' fanart. Personally, I can't stand
>> minimalist style shojo (Takahashi's early stuff looks like fanart in places
>> too).
>
>the artwork at all, but on her storytelling.
>
assiatants who work to her style, which therefore has to be standardised
enough so they can 'copy' it!
>Nyk
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