The John Humble Affair
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THE JOHN HUMBLE AFFAIR
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John Humble was scheduled for release from prison last September.
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4582619.Wearside_Jack_could_be_free_in_weeks/
If you want to evaluate the legal position slightly differently, he
definitely should have been released from jail in mid-January 2010.
The media reports signalling his release last September are the last
that has been heard about John Humble.
If you like, you can argue that John Humble really WAS the author of
those letters and the tape recording sent to George Oldfield at the
height of the Yorkshire Ripper investigation in 1978-79.
OK. So if the ruling group version is true, why are the mass media
afraid to touch this story?
This story sells newspapers.
So why should all the mainstream media be ignoring the John Humble
issue?
WHERE IS JOHN HUMBLE NOW?
Why are the mass media silent on the whereabouts of John Humble, when
this is a story of huge national interest which sells newspapers?
Why are the "trendy lefties" and their present day heirs not out there
on the streets and marching on parliament demanding to know where John
Humble has disappeared to?
It's a simple case of *Habeas Corpus*
WHERE NOW IS THE LIVING BODY OR THE CORPSE OF JOHN HUMBLE?
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There is much more that can be said about the John Humble fiasco.
I can write volumes about the John Humble fiasco.
I CAN WRITE A MILLION PAGES ABOUT THE JOHN HUMBLE FIASCO, AND MAYBE I
WILL.
But for now, it's a simple case of Habeas Corpus.
I now demand that the ruling group of England produce either the
living body or the corpse of John Humble.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22DUclUZiX4&feature=related
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I'M JACK !
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I'm Jack. I see you are still having no luck catching me. I have the
greatest respect for you, George, but Lord, you are no nearer
catching me now than four years ago when I started. I reckon your
boys are letting you down, George. They can't be much good, can they?
The only time they came near catching me was a few months back in
Chapeltown when I was disturbed. Even then it was a uniformed copper
not a
detective. I warned you in March that I'd strike again. Sorry it
wasn't Bradford. I did promise you that but I couldn't get there. I'm
not quite sure when I'll strike again but it will be definitely some
time this year. Maybe September or October. Even sooner if I get the
chance. I'm not sure where. Maybe Manchester. I like it there.
There's plenty of them knocking about. They never learn, do they,
George? I bet you've warned them but they never listen. At the rate
I'm going I should be in the book of records. I think its eleven up
to
now, isn't it? Well, I'll keep on going for quite a while yet. I can't
see
myself being nicked just yet. Even if you do get near, I'll probably
top myself first. Well, it's been nice chatting to you, George.
Yours,
Jack the Ripper.
No good looking for fingerprints. You should know by
now it's clean as a whistle. See you soon. Bye! Hope you like the
catchy tune at the end. Ha! Ha!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22DUclUZiX4&feature=related
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He has the power to expose his conviction as a fake by producing voice
recognition technology and disclosing what Chris Gregg did to him.
They will have to shunt John Humble into a mental hospital and drug
him insensible, like Peter Sutcliffe, to keep the lid on the Yorkshire
Ripper cover up.
The media will report later that John Humble has had a "breakdown."
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embarrassment in some way.... the British Gestapo [contraction of
Geheime Staatspolizei: "Secret State Police"] in the final analysis
can arrange an "accident" or a "suicide" for you, or get you committed
to a mental hospital and get you drugged insensible to shut you
up...... and I expect the last is what is happening to John Humble
right this minute.... they can't release John Humble.... he'd get
drunk and 'spill the beans' on Chris Gregg.... they've gone too far,
and now they have to neutralise John Humble to make sure he doesn't
talk about the Chris Gregg fiasco and the Yorkshire Ripper cover up.
Karen Silkwood got bumped off for much less...... in her case it was
an "accident."
In John Humble's case, I guess he'll have a "breakdown" and
mysteriously "commit suicide" while the staff were on a lunch break.
They can never free John Humble. He knows too much.
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HABEAS CORPUS.
I herby order the ruling group to display to me the living body or the
corpse of John Humble.
It may have escaped your notice under Tony Blair, but actually the
government is the SERVANT of the people.
Under our laws and constitution, all public representatives and
employees of government departments are
THE SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE.
How did we get separated from that basic concept of democracy.
Politicians are OUR SERVANTS, existing to OBEY ORDERS from the
electorate.
How did we get so far removed from that basic concept of democracy
that the mass murderer Ronald Gregory was able to get away with that
FAKE PRESS CONFERENCE, and now our "servants" have been able to make
John Humble disappear....???
HABEAS CORPUS.
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psychology.
OK, so there is Sarah's law, and hundreds, or maybe thousands, of
people march through the streets demanding that released paedophile's
must not live in any street near me..... very easy, very comforting,
to be so RIGHT ! RIGHT ! RIGHT ! and so delightully "holier than
thou."
But when John Humble disappears, there is TOTAL SILENCE from the
"trendy lefties" or whatever they are called today.
THE FACT THAT JOHN HUMBLE HAS DISAPPEARED IS A MATTER OF GRAVE
IMPORTANCE TO THE CONCEPT OF FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IN ENGLAND, AND TO
THE MATTER OF WHETHER WE IN FACT HAVE ANY REAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IN
ENGLAND NOW, IF A MAN CAN SO EASILY DISAPPEAR AND THE MEDIA REMAIN
DOCILE AND SILENT WHEN A MAN DUE FOR RELEASE FROM PRISON JUST VANISHES
WITHOUT TRACE............
AND..... THE FACT THAT ONLY ONE PERSON IN THE WHOLE WORLD IS SHOUTING
ABOUT THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOHN HUMBLE... RAISES EMBARRASSING
QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR MENTAL STATE.
YOU ARE VERY, VERY SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL IF YOU LIVE IN ENGLAND AND
ARE NOT SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF YOUR VOICE ABOUT THE DISAPPEARANCE OF
JOHN HUMBLE.
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HABEAS CORPUS.
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Special Care
If you look there, what will you find out?
This is the BIG ONE - the Yorkshire Ripper cover up.
The Yorkshire Ripper cover up terrifies us, because it destroys our
faith in the validity of our perceptions and mocks us for our reliance
on the mass media for our concept of reality.
The disappearance of John Humble opens a multitude of emabarrassing
questions about the UNIMAGINABLE CRIME OF MASS MURDER OF ENGLISH WOMEN
committed by Margaret Thatcher, William Whitelaw, Ronald Gregory,
George Oldfield, Dick Holland, James Hobson and all the others... when
they called off the hunt for the REAL Yorkshire Ripper.......... when
they pretended that there was only one man killing women in the north
of England during the Yorkshire Ripper years, and pretended that Peter
Sutcliffe was the only person involved, and called off the hunt for
the other man, so that the newspapers were running headlines such as
"new ripper at large!" or "imitation ripper" in the months and years
after the fake Peter Sutcliffe conviction.
To ask questions about the disappearance of John Humble raises a
hundred other embarrassing questions about the Yorkshire Ripper cover
up.
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KEEP SMILING ! CAN YOU ALL SMILE ? !
CAN YOU COME OVER, GEORGE?
[and George Oldfield forced a fake smile, and moved closer to Ronald
Gregory, whom he despised so much at that moment..... but George
Oldfield had no way out.............. and he drank himself to death in
the months that followed, while Ronald Gregory disappeared to Portugal
with his dirty money from the Daily Mail for his fake "memoirs"
interview]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc&feature=related
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Still total silence.
John Humble has disappeared.
If they release John Humble, he'll get drunk and go blabbing in the
pub or to a journalist.
They never thought it through.
If you contact the media about John Humble, you will get through to a
junior journalist, who will be eager and enthusiastic at first when
you explain what has happened, but then he will ask advice from his
editor, and the authority structure will take over, and he will go
deathly silent on you.
Such is British democracy and freedom of the press.
Where is John Humble now?
Habeas Corpus.
Special Care
Nobody really cares....
Still....
The juryless judgement against Noel O'Gara brought against him by
Chris Gregg in connection with the John Humble case finally nailed the
myth that we have freedom of expression in England.
Now John Humble has disappeared and the media wont touch the story,
confirming that there is no freedom of expression, no Habeas Corpus,
no civil rights in England..... except sometimes, when convenient.
John Humble has disappeared.
Everyone is afraid to say anything about the disappearance of John
Humble because of the juryless judgement against Noel O'Gara.
Is this freedom?
Is this the England I thought I was living in?
http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.local.geordie/detective_chief_superintendent_chris_gregg_o_gara_its_93567308m.html
Freddy
One would think that O'Gara has a vested interest in finding out
exactely where Humble is, after all if he were persauded to say Gregg
forced him to confess or he confessed under drugs/alcoholism and didnt
know wat he was doing...THEN and only THEN will the ripper case be
blown wide open.......here and now,,,,,I offer $5000 for such a
confession from Humble.
Freddy
>
> - Show quoted text -
Find him Peter......find him and get that confession that he was
forced to confess.
Janitor of Lunacy
"Freddy" <fredi...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:3c64207e-c0be-4635...@y7g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
Your money is safe. Humble wrote to O'Gara as follows:
"Mr O'Gara, I am just writing to put you straight about these letters and
tape sent during the Sutcliffe case. I did send the letters and tape and
the forensic evidence was correct in identifying my blood group found on one
of the envelopes. So Mr O'Gara, you writing to me saying I am not the
hoaxer is incorrect but you are correct in saying I am not the killer . I
thank you Mr O'Gara for saying I am not the killer but I did send the tape
and letters and so I am guilty of these charges and so deserve some time in
jail but I think 8 years was a little too much for these offences. That's
why I am appealing against the sentence but not against conviction which I
am guilty. I would also like to say that the coppers did not try and frame
me for anything at all, as you said in your letter, you did get that bit
wrong Mr O'Gara ."
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dddp6bt4_72wds2cwcb
I doubt he's changed his mind in the meantime, because that would expose his
earlier statment as a lie, rendering both unreliable.
Special Care
> On 6 Feb, 14:26, Freddy <frediesm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6 Feb, 12:56, Special Care <special.car...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Well, it's a bit late now.....
>
> > > Nobody really cares....
>
> > > Still....
>
> > > The juryless judgement against Noel O'Gara brought against him by
> > > myth that we have freedom of expression in England.
>
> > > confirming that there is no freedom of expression, no Habeas Corpus,
> > > no civil rights in England..... except sometimes, when convenient.
>
>
> > > Everyone is afraid to say anything about the disappearance ofJohn
>
> > > Is this freedom?
>
> > > Is this the England I thought I was living in?http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.local.geordie/detective_chief_superintende...
>
> > One would think that O'Gara has a vested interest in finding out
> > forced him to confess or he confessed under drugs/alcoholism and didnt
> > know wat he was doing...THEN and only THEN will the ripper case be
> > blown wide open.......here and now,,,,,I offer $5000 for such a
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Find him Peter......find him and get that confession that he was
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Interesting that the Janitor broke his silence as soon as you said
that with the new subject box.
It can hardly be an accident that they placed John Humble in Armley
Jail, Leeds, the very place where he would be most vulnerable to
attacks by other prisoners, necessitating solitary confinement.
A plausible theory is that the REAL Yorkshire Ripper (NOT Peter
Sutcliffe) was getting a bit worried by 1978-79, and, having sent the
letters, sought out a homeless tramp with a non-Yorkshire accent, gave
him money to recite the tape recording, then murdered the tramp and
took back the money. The killing of an unloved tramp went unnoticed
and was never connected to the tape.
Special Care
wrote:
>
> Interesting that the Janitor broke his silence as soon as you said
> that with the new subject box.
>
> It can hardly be an accident that they placed John Humble in Armley
> Jail, Leeds, the very place where he would be most vulnerable to
> attacks by other prisoners, necessitating solitary confinement.
>
> A plausible theory is that the REAL Yorkshire Ripper (NOT Peter
> Sutcliffe) was getting a bit worried by 1978-79, and, having sent the
> letters, sought out a homeless tramp with a non-Yorkshire accent, gave
> him money to recite the tape recording, then murdered the tramp and
> took back the money. The killing of an unloved tramp went unnoticed
>
> - Show quoted text -
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SO WAS THIS THE VOICE OF A DEAD MAN,
RIGHT FROM THE START?
GEORGE OLDFIELD CHASING A DEAD MAN'S VOICE?
Special Care
The "dead man talking" scenario explains a lot of things that
otherwise can't be explained.
The confident, dispassionate tone of the voice can be explained, if
the speaker was happily reciting from a supplied script in return for
money, without much thought for what he was doing, perhaps after
several rehearsals, and with the editing that was detected.
Special Care
1. George Oldfield was a drunken old bum who didn't know whether he
was coming or going, but who had won the affection of the higher-ups,
and hence not sufficiently scrutinised by superiors, hence a loose
cannon, and that is the only explanation of why he *apparently*
blundered so badly by going after the ghost on that tape recording;
2. We haven't been told the whole story of what was in those letters
and tape, the bits that were never made public, and George Oldfield
had good reason to believe that the author of the letters and tape was
the REAL Yorkshire Ripper.
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But then it never occurred to George Oldfield that the voice might
have been that of some dead tramp picked up by the REAL Yorkshire
Ripper and paid to recite that script with a non-Yorkshire accent, and
then murdered afterwards.
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George Oldfield has children.
Will they one day break their silence, perhaps late in life, and
disclose the secrets of the drunken ramblings of their father as he
drank himself to death, totally defeated by the REAL Yorkshire Ripper.
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Special Care
wrote:
> From a certain angle of analysis, we can take this two ways:
>
> 1. George Oldfield was a drunken old bum who didn't know whether he
> was coming or going, but who had won the affection of the higher-ups,
> and hence not sufficiently scrutinised by superiors, hence a loose
> cannon, and that is the only explanation of why he *apparently*
> blundered so badly by going after the ghost on that tape recording;
>
> 2. We haven't been told the whole story of what was in those letters
> and tape, the bits that were never made public, and George Oldfield
> had good reason to believe that the author of the letters and tape was
> the REAL Yorkshire Ripper.
>
>
> But then it never occurred to George Oldfield that the voice might
> have been that of some dead tramp picked up by the REAL Yorkshire
> Ripper and paid to recite that script with a non-Yorkshire accent, and
> then murdered afterwards.
>
OK, Tony. We'll call it $5,000 Australian.
Will do.
I'll find John Humble and I'll get a statement from him on camera and
paper.
Together we'll all knock the shite out of Constable Gregg of the West
Riding Constabulary.
Colin Wilson
posting ?
If you want to make a point, think about what you're going to write
for a whole week and get it all out in one go - make your case by
being succinct and the the point.
I suspect no-one else *cares* who this "ghost" is that you're chasing
so perhaps you'd be better doing it elsewhere.
Special Care
> Do you think anyone actually gives a crap about gibberish you're
> posting ?
REPLY:
Yes.
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>
> I suspect no-one else *cares* who this "ghost" is that you're chasing
> so perhaps you'd be better doing it elsewhere.
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REPLY:
That's not true. Everyone who lived in England in the 1970s was
touched by the voice on that tape and remembers it well and still
wonders who it was.
People in Ireland all over the world heard the story too, of this man
who was making total fools of the English police.
Pretending the voice on the tape was John Humble, and then banishing
John Humble to a mental hospital and drugging him into a stupor so
that he can never say otherwise, doesn't solve this problem, but only
arouses greater interest in it.
Constable Gregg of the West Riding Constabulary was a terrible fool to
get involved in the Yorkshire Ripper cover up.
IT'S A POISONED CHALICE.
The REAL Yorkshire Ripper CONTAMINATES any person who is foolish
enough to touch him, in a negative way.
And that is how Constable Gregg of the West Riding Constabulary will
ultimately be known to history.
There was a guy called King Midas, wasn't there?
Anything he touched turned to gold.
The Yorkshire Ripper cover up is just a little bit similar.
If you touch the Yorkshire Ripper cover up, in any negative way, then
YOU will turn to SHIT.
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Special Care
Listening to that recording, it does start to fall into place a bit
more if you think of the REAL Yorkshire Ripper picking up a tramp and
enticing a tramp to recite that statement into the recording machine.
That would explain the easygoing, nonchalant tone of the
voice.............. a tramp, with reasonable education long ago, who
hadn't a clue about the meaning of the words he was speaking..... but
just agreed to make a recording in return for hospitality........ only
to be murdered afterwards to make sure no one would ever know.......
and George Oldfield fell for it completely.... tantalised by the bits
of the recording that were never made public, which showed that the
*producer* of the recording - which was not necessarily the owner of
the voice - had knowledge of the murders that had never been made
public... hence George Oldfield's certainty that this was the REAL
Yorkshire Ripper.
But it hadn't occured to George Oldfield that the REAL Yorkshire
Ripper might have befriended a tramp and persuaded a tramp to make
that recording, to throw the police investigation into total
confusion.
If that was what was going on there, it worked very well.
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Colin Wilson
> > Do you think anyone actually gives a crap about gibberish you're
> > posting ?
> ===
> REPLY:
> Yes.
OK, any chance you can follow my other suggestion and bundle it all
up into a single post per week - not only will it make for more
interesting reading, it will give you time to spell out your thoughts
more precisely :-)
Vernon Pugh
wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:16 am, Colin Wilson <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:> Do you think anyone actually gives a crap about gibberish you're
> > posting ?
>
> ===
> REPLY:
> Yes.
>
You must be joking. You really think there is even one person out
there who is reading any of this shite? I am afraid, you have the
touch of the looney. Even if you were in any way correct, you behave
like such a looney that everyone reading even a fraction of the
repeated copied and pasted silly shite that you post, will just assume
that you are wrong.
Caít()
> On Feb 15, 10:32 pm, Special Care <special.car...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> You must be joking. You really think there is even one person out
> there who is reading any of this shite?
Well, isn't this proof that there is?
Get a life, and go dig up a few weeds, Vernie!
Caít()
Caít()
wrote:
>
> In February? It's snowing here and the ground has been frozen for months...
Pssst, Ray? Remember what the I bit in SCI stands for ?
Caít()
Special Care
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To believe John Humble sent those letters,,
One must also believe he is a gifted clairvoyant,,
The killer nearly was caught that night in Huddersfield.
Humble said “never again”.
“Too small, close call”
How could he have known?
The killer went to Manchester to kill an old girl
John Humble had spoken.
That day in that city. the old girl met her maker
Her fate was foretold and he waited.
Humbles letters were ignored.
Not happy, he wrote them again
Said I wasn’t kidding,,
You should have taken heed
Ten days later, after almost a year
Again his letter came true.
The oil on the letter was the oil on the girl.
The bite on the girl was bitten before.
The blood on the letter, was found on another..
The girl with the bite in the mud and the blood
Was the proof of his metal, they could not ignore
Oldfield understood, was forced to announce
A voice on a tape that promised again
Poor Barbara in Bradford
Another pawn in the game..
Alcoholic enhancement
Castletown’s great seer
Predicted the future
And caused all this fear
The Puppet of Armley is gifted indeed.
To hide his talents so well
No one suspected
No one could tell.
The talented drunken bum
The gifted clairvoyant fooled them all.
And monkeys are spies hung from the wall.
[with thanks to "anon"]
Vernon Pugh
wrote:
> Poetic prose received from "anon"
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>
snip a load of boring stuff
How about alien abductions? I am amazed you have never shown
any interest in that stuff? Anal probing and all that?
Surely that would be right up your alleyway?
Special Care
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You say it's boring, but it's a case of shooting in the dark.
The people who find it interesting may feel nervous about replying.
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Anal probing?
Well - to me that means Mummy puts you in the bath, and after ten
minutes of delightful warm, wet, soapy caresses massaging your bare
skin, accompanied and intensified by loving eye contact and love talk
and smiles of delight, eventually Mummy finishes by giving you a
gentle rub down there, with lots of soap on Mummy's fingers, giving
you nice feelings down there, making you love your Mummy all the more,
and making you want to return the favour by giving Mummy nice feelings
in her anus, to return her love exactly as given, to show your
gratitude for all the lovely feelings your Mummy gave you in your
anus.
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Careless Hands (that can't hold on to love)
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dddp6bt4_187gpmt3sjh
Special Care
"John Humble Jokes" - in imitation of the disastrous "Tom Dooley
jokes" of the late 1950s that some of us are old enough to remember
with regret and embarrassment.
I'm not much good at composing new jokes.
Well...........
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Q:
What's the connection between John Humble and your mother's anus?
A:
We're not allowed to talk about them.
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Sorry. Can anyone do better than that?
Rupert Bear
wrote:
It is an absurd insult to the intelligence of right thinking folk
to present John Humble AKA Wearside Jack as the resolution of the
Yorkshire Ripper Letters..
There is far too much stuff in those letters only the killer could
have known.
Check this lot out and try to understand.
Link to Humble without Rupert.
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/HumbleSpotting.jpg
Link to Rupert finds Humble.
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/HumbleSpottingwithRupertsMagicBa-1.jpg
Handwriting puzzle,,flv.
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=OffbeamPrinting.flv
Noel’s Letter from Armley.
http://www.yorkshireripper.com/johnhumbleletters.htm
Cassettee Envelope with note,
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Off%20Beam%20Images/Envelope4withnote.jpg
Tony Steel.
http://www.raybrook.co.uk/steelfilm.htm
Link to Tape. http://www.yek.me.uk/ykrprhoaxtp.html
Envelope 3 large
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Off%20Beam%20Images/Envelope23_3_79.jpg
Envelope 3 and the Album.
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Off%20Beam%20Images/?action=view¤t=Envelope23_3_79.jpg
Can you spot where it changes.
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Off%20Beam%20Images/Envelope4withnote.jpg
Envelope 1. http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Off%20Beam%20Images/Envelope8_3_78.jpg
Envelope 2. http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Off%20Beam%20Images/Round13378.jpg
Special Care
I do see two handwriting styles on the envelope where the address is
'printed.'
(Perhaps it would avoid ambiguity to refer to it as written in
'capital letters' or upper case?)
Apart from that, obviously John Humble didn't write any of that and
his is not the voice on the tape.
For one thing, John Humble could not have known about the "close call"
in Huddersfield when Helen Rytka was killed, mentioned in the first
letter of March 1979.
None of it adds up. It would have been better if they'd left John
Humble alone to drink himself to death, but I suppose the acceptance
of 'low copy' DNA at the time was too much of a temptation for
Constable Gregg. Why did he resign soon after? The John Humble case
was presumably intended as a career-enhancing move, and yet he
resigned soon afterwards.
The Yorkshire Ripper cover up is a very dirty thing. Touch it in any
negative way, and you'll end up covered from head to toe in shite.
That is how Constable Gregg of the Keystone Cops will always be
remembered.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5XrclVuEWU&feature=related
Rupert Bear
wrote:
> Well, you've done your homework.
> I do see two handwriting styles on the envelope where the address is
> 'printed.'
>
> (Perhaps it would avoid ambiguity to refer to it as written in
> 'capital letters' or upper case?)
>
> Apart from that, obviously John Humble didn't write any of that and
> his is not the voice on the tape.
> For one thing, John Humble could not have known about the "close call"
> in Huddersfield when Helen Rytka was killed, mentioned in the first
> letter of March 1979.
>
> None of it adds up. It would have been better if they'd left John
> Humble alone to drink himself to death, but I suppose the acceptance
> of 'low copy' DNA at the time was too much of a temptation for
> Constable Gregg. Why did he resign soon after? The John Humble case
> was presumably intended as a career-enhancing move, and yet he
> resigned soon afterwards.
>
company, soon after Humble was convicted?
I think it is pretty obvious it is not Humbles voice on the tape when
you listen to him reading letter back to police in this Humble
interview.
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=HumbleInterview.flv
Plus the fact that people who knew him did not recognise his voice
years ago when everyone in Sunderland was listening out for that man
is very hard to believe..
Voices are recognisable,,it is something we can do quite well.
When you realise there are two printing styles on the Cassette
envelope,, you would do well to then consider just how many times a
connection with two has been suggested in the Ripper case,,both before
Suttys arrest,,and then continuing for years after,,a connection
involving two persons has been put forward in various senario's many
times..
And thirty years later when we finally get a good look at the printed
envelope the cassette arrived it just does not look right,,..Two
persons mixing up the printing while at the same time as sending a
voice to the Police,,why would they do that??
I have made it as easy as possible for people to see the errors on
that cassette envelope if they check out the links for themselves..
Its not just the handwriting that is wrong about Humbles
conviction,,it is the content of the letters that should never be
ignored.
There is only one person who could have predicted the death of those
girls, it leads all the way back to Oldfields original Ripper case,,to
a time when Police were on record as 99% certain the killer sent the
letters and tape..
With so many flaws in both Sutcliff and Humbles convictions,,,when you
go over it again it looks like Oldfield was right all along.
DNA advances might turn discover Oldfields man,,what would happen
then,,how could they proceed when there are no vacanceys left for him..
Janitor of Lunacy
> I think it is pretty obvious it is not Humbles voice on the tape when
> you listen to him reading letter back to police in this Humble
> interview.
> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=HumbleInterview.flv
> Plus the fact that people who knew him did not recognise his voice
> years ago when everyone in Sunderland was listening out for that man
> is very hard to believe..
> Voices are recognisable,,it is something we can do quite well.
Are you mad? His voice twenty years between recordings, as a committed
alcoholic, could not possibly bear much forensic similarity. And as for the
argument that "everyone in Sunderland was listening out for that man", even
in the limited locality in which he lived, his accent would not have been
that specific, and you're assuming that people in Sunderland cared that much
about murders committed about 150 miles away. Get real.
Rupert Bear
> Rupert Bear wrote:
> > I think it is pretty obvious it is not Humbles voice on the tape when
> > you listen to him reading letter back to police in this Humble
> > interview.
> > Plus the fact that people who knew him did not recognise his voice
> > years ago when everyone in Sunderland was listening out for that man
> > is very hard to believe..
> > Voices are recognisable,,it is something we can do quite well.
>
> Are you mad? His voice twenty years between recordings, as a committed
> alcoholic, could not possibly bear much forensic similarity. And as for the
> argument that "everyone in Sunderland was listening out for that man", even
> in the limited locality in which he lived, his accent would not have been
> that specific, and you're assuming that people in Sunderland cared that much
> about murders committed about 150 miles away. Get real.
That is a very good point you raise,,how it is very unlikely people in
Sunderland cared about murders a hundered and fifty miles away,,i
expect it applied to Humble too,,probably down the pub playing pool
oblivious to it all.
But do you know what,,their awareness was rudley awakened back in
1979/80 when Police knocked on every door in Castletown,,,Caravans in
the street with HELP US CATCH THE RIPPER plastered all over
them..Local rags and local radio even on Local TV,,,
A relativeley small comunity and comedians even scripted gags about
Wearside Jack because of the common awareness of the biggest manhunt
in uk history,, focused on Sunderland and Castletown in particular..an
evening out was often interupted by Police with a tape machine..
Recomended reading for you here is Patrick Lavelle,,who wrote a book
about the Sunderland hunt because it was such a big issue,,not
resolved at the time of his book.
I have posted some background here to remind people of the famous
Sunderland Hunt
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/
Even with the most rudimentary understanding of human nature one can
see that the Locals were very much aware,, and that it would have been
the talk of the town back then,,it was stuffed down their throats with
a million pound media extravaganza,,and that figure probably does not
include agencey's that gave their services for free.
OK so you say after twenty years his voice (under the alchoholic
circumstance) could not possibly bear any similarity,,,well this does
not exactly strengthen your argument does it,,shouting there is no
similarity i mean.. It is not what the tv interview tells us
either,,they played a voice and said it was his voice,,but as you
kindly point out, it does not sound in any way similar.
People who knew him years ago say they do not recognise his voice
either,, so i do not know where you expect to go with this argument
that his voice is not the same,, for whatever reason gets you
nowhere,,..
Get real you say,,,well how about this,,,those letters really did
predict deaths three times,, and three times the girls really did
die,,, This remains to be a very the inconvenient fact of the
matter.. Those letters are genuine from the killer, only the killer
could have written them,a view held by many senior officers at the
time..
Are you accusing them of madness too..??
Sometimes the wrong people end up in jail,, there are many on
record,,..
John Humble would have been better off down the bookies with his
extraordinary talents..
Special Care
and he has instructions to peddle the Peter Sutcliffe / John Humble
myth, regardless of the bankruptcy of the myth.
Some aspects of the case so obviously contradict the Peter Sutclifffe
myth, yet few people will discuss them.
Among them are:
-----------------------------------------------------
1. The Ron Warren interview and the newspaper archive confirm that
two
men were committing the series of murders, yet as soon as Sutcliffe
forced his arrest and showed a willingness to confess to anything,
all
talk of the second Ripper evaporated and he (The REAL Yorkshire
Ripper) was left free to go on
killing, and the relatives of the victims were sold a lie;
2. The first of the infamous letters to Oldfield was posted while
Yvonne Pearson's dead body was lying undiscovered, yet the writer,
who
otherwise convinced the police he had knowledge that only the real
Ripper could have, was clearly unaware that Yvonne had been killed;
again indicating TWO killers who did not know each other, but had come
together in the north of England during those years by an amazing
confluence of events;
3. Helen Rytka's killer had a 'close call' and was nearly caught, and
the letter writer knew that, whereas John Humble could not have known
it, and Peter Sutcliffe had no knowledge of it.
----------------------------------------------------
And so on.... but taken all together, the Peter Sutcliffe myth is
such
a BIG lie that only a few people will let themselves think about it.
Special Care
all the original "Wearside Jack" letters, envelopes and tape had been
lost.
Then Chris Gregg claimed that a "tiny scrap of paper" from the
envelope containing the tape had been kept in the Wetherby lab.
How did all the "exhaustive searches" prior to 2006 never locate this
"tiny scrap of paper?"
It was so miniscule that the "test" done on it destroyed the alleged
DNA sample.
If we assume the "tiny scrap of paper" was what it was said to be, it
was *low copy* and now discredited.
It's a can of worms, a crock of shite.
They can't ever allow John Humble back into the outside world.
There would be demands for a retrial and compensation, and it would
blow the lid right off the Yorkshire Ripper cover up.
================================================
RELATED STORY:
From Daily Mail, London, 24 December 2007, page 24:
====
CALL FOR RETRIAL OF OUTBACK KILLER OVER DNA DOUBT
====
From Richard Shears
In Sydney
====
The man convicted of murdering British backpacker Peter Falconio
should be granted a new trial, say civil liberty groups.
The call for a retrial of Bradley Murdoch came after the suspension of
'low copy number' DNA testing in the UK.
The method was used to convict Murdoch of the 2001 outback murder of
29-year-old Mr Falconio, whose body has never been found.
Prosecutors in Britain are reviewing its use after last week's
acquittal of the only man charged with murder over the 1998 Omagh
bombing, in which 29 people died.
The judge criticised the DNA evidence and police have stopped the
testing, which analyses microscopic DNA samples.
'If the process used in the Falconio case is flawed, the Court of
Appeal should consider a retrial,' said lawyer Terry O'Gorman,
president of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties.
British scientist Dr Jonathan Whitaker claimed during the Murdoch
trial that using his technique he found traces of Murdoch's DNA in the
camper van belonging to Mr Falconio and his girlfriend Joanne Lees.
The court was told during Murdoch's trial in 2005 that he had shot Mr
Falconio but failed to prevent Miss Lees from running from the scene
and hiding.
He had then driven the couple's camper van into nearby bushes so it
could not be seen from the road.
A year later, 44-year-old outback drifter Murdoch was arrested. Police
said they had been able to match a speck of DNA found on Miss Lees' T-
shirt with Murdoch's. To support their belief that they had arrested
Mr Falconio's murderer they asked Dr Whitaker to find more DNA. He
found traces on the camper van's gearstick and on a pair of homemade
handcuffs used on Miss Lees. He said he could also not exclude
Murdoch's DNA from the steering wheel.
With the collapse of the Omagh case, supporters of Murdoch, who is
serving a life sentence, are calling for a retrial.
His girlfriend, Jan Pitman, said last night: 'If you put the DNA
claims aside, the case against Brad is too flimsy to believe.'
Should Dr Whitaker's findings be dismissed in Australia, the
prosecution is expected to still rely on the speck of matching DNA
found on Miss Lees's T-shirt, which places Murdoch at the crime
scene.
But his supporters claim there are grounds to believe that speck was
planted. They point out that Miss Lees struggled violently with her
assailant before her escape and if that were the case there would be
'DNA all over her clothing.'
=======================================================
'If you put the DNA
claims aside, the case against Brad is too flimsy to believe.'
---------
Similarly, in the John Humble case, if you put the DNA claims aside,
we're left with a police video of a "confession" from a clearly broken
and submissive man, that looks very well rehearsed.
And that's all, while all the other evidence points toward the REAL
Yorkshire Ripper being the sender of the letters and tape.
Rupert Bear
wrote:
Confession from a broken and submissive man sounds about right..
But have you thought of the situation if his Solicitors even tried to
defend him under the circumstance.
Ironically the best defense available to this man has always been the
very letters he is supposed to have written.
The content of those letters,, the forensic links, predictions,,
certain particular knowledge of events that only the killer could have
known,,all say that it was quite impossible for Humble to have written
them..
The letters and tape are so closely linked to actual events there is
no other explanation.
His best defence would be to argue the letters were genuine from the
killer.
But Humbles Solicitors could'nt very well present this argument in
open court because they would be arguing Sutcliffes innocence too,,and
that really would be rocking the apple cart..
Strange situation really when you think of it,,if they even tried to
defend on those grounds it would stir up such a hornets nest,,it would
bring a storm on their own heads.
The crown only has to suggest they have DNA and you have got a
KIPPERED SUPER-HOAXER too..
a BRACE OF KIPPERS if you like...Sir Michael's dish.
There are anomalys in the handwriting that suggest two persons were
involved,, a completely different story lies behind the version we are
presented with..
Oldfields story is very close, he never conceded the letters were not
from the killer.
Unlike DNA,, handwriting is a tangible thing that people can check out
for themselves..
And I have made it as easy as poss for people to see what I mean about
two persons printing on the cassette envelope..At these links.
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=OffbeamPrinting.flv
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/
How many different variations of two people "involved and connected"
have been suggested,,well here is a new version, only this time with
tangible evidence you can examine youselves.
nutherperception.
Rupert Bear
PS.
These are better links i should have posted last time..
Special Care
what happened to John Humble, except a small few who have no power to
make a difference.
It is quite correct to say John Humble has become an Unperson, in true
Orwellian style.
Can a man really just DISAPPEAR from the prison system in England
today when he is due for release?
If it can happen to John Humble today, it can happen to YOU further
down the line, if you don't put a stop to this idiocy of people just
disappearing from the prison system when due for release.
John Humble is not just anybody.
He is the vulnerable alcoholic chosen to take the rap for the 'loose
ends' in the Yorkshire Ripper cover up.
This is a case that is part of the greatest police corruption scandal
in the entire history of British policing.
And now, because if he were released he would reveal all, he had
"disappeared."
Do you feel comfortable that this can happen in England, that a man
just "disappears" when he is due to be released from jail?
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4582619.Wearside_Jack_could_be_./
Special Care
wrote:
============
I don't know if it would do any good to contact these people about the
whereabouts of Unperson John Humble....?
http://www.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/adviceandsupport/keepingintouch/locationservice/
Special Care
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/39I-did-it-because-I.1392084.jp
"But there was still the mystery of the missing tape. Last summer, the
Yorkshire Post and other newspapers ran a story that the tape and
letters could not be found.
The publicity prompted a scientist from the south of England, who had
long since retired, to write to the investigation team.
He told them George Oldfield gave him the tape for analysis – and he
had kept
it.
The team had everything they needed to solve the "Wearside Jack"
mystery.
The gummed seal was given to FSS in Wetherby, who worked on the Peter
Falconio murder inquiry.
Their analysis showed a profile with only a one-in-a-billion chance of
it being anybody other than John Samuel Humble, a jobless 49-year-old
from Sunderland's Ford Estate, who had sent the letters..."
END OF QUOTE.
--------------------
Always be suspicious of journalists who tell stories with no names
mentioned, nothing verifiable.
WHO was the "scientist from the south of England?"
And why would George Oldfield have given him not just the tape, but
also the original envelope that had contained it?
Besides, this tall tale from the Yorkshire Post doesn't tally with the
other and more frequent reports which state that Chris Gregg contacted
the Wetherby lab and was informed that there was a "tiny scrap of
paper" still remaining from the envelope in which the tape had been
sent, but (how convenient !) it was so minuscule that "testing" it for
DNA would destroy the minuscule sample, so that the "test" that
railroaded the conviction of John Humble could never be repeated and
verified !
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Rupert Bear
text -
> As late as 2005, the West Yorkshire Police were stating publicly that
> all the original "Wearside Jack" letters, envelopes and tape had been
> lost.
> Then Chris Gregg claimed that a "tiny scrap of paper" from the
> envelope containing the tape had been kept in the Wetherby lab.
> How did all the "exhaustive searches" prior to 2006 never locate this
> "tiny scrap of paper?"
> It was so miniscule that the "test" done on it destroyed the alleged
> DNA sample.
> If we assume the "tiny scrap of paper" was what it was said to be, it
> was *low copy* and now discredited.
> It's a can of worms, a crock of shite.
> They can't ever allow John Humble back into the outside world.
> There would be demands for a retrial and compensation, and it would
> blow the lid right off the Yorkshire Ripper cover up.
Confession from a broken and submissive man sounds about right..
But have you considered the situation if his Solicitors even tried to
defend him under the circumstance.
Ironically the best defense available to this man has always been the
very letters he is supposed to have written.
The content of those letters,, the forensic links and predictions,,
plus certain particular knowledge of events that only the killer could
have
known,,all say that it was quite impossible for Humble to have
written
them..
The letters and tape are so closely linked to actual events and facts
of the case,,only the killer could have written them.
His best defence would be to argue the letters were genuine from the
killer.
But Humbles Solicitors could'nt very well present this argument in
open court because they would be arguing Sutcliffes innocence
too,,and
that really would be rocking the apple cart..
Strange situation really when you think of it,,if they even tried to
defend on those grounds it would stir up such a hornets nest,,it
would
bring a storm on their own heads.
The crown only had to suggest they have DNA and you have got a
KIPPERED SUPER-HOAXER too..
a BRACE OF KIPPERS if you like...Sir Michael's dish.
There are anomalys in the handwriting that suggest two persons were
involved,, a completely different story lies behind the version we
are
presented with.. There is a lot of information which suggests two
persons were involved with the letters and the Ripper series of
attacks..
Oldfields story is very close, he never said the killer was a
Geordie,,,he said there was somone in the NE connected and protecting
the Killer,,but he never conceded the letters were not genuine from
the Yorkshire Ripper.
He held these views because he knew there were two involved,,,and
possibly even another separate killer or copy-cat killer,,Sutty
perhaps, but he was'nt focused on him..... The tape arrived with
another promise to kill,,he had killed twice after two other promises
and they knew he would keep this third promise..This promise to kill
arrived with three months warning and that is when the Yorkshire cops
went all out after the best clue they had,,the voice from
Sunderland,,,they hoped to get him in time,,to save a girl!.....The
voice was not identified and Barbara Leach died in Bradford as
predicted,,she had strange triangular wounds which linked her death
positively with MissWhitaker..
He killed again and they were powerless to stop him,,,three hundred
yards from there new HQ in Bradford,,he rubbed their noses in it...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=RaceAgainstTime.jpg
Unlike DNA,, handwriting is a tangible thing that people can check
out
for themselves..
And I have made it as easy as possible for people to see what I mean
about
two persons printing on the cassette envelope..At these links.
http://s867.photobucket.com/home/rupert-bear-2010/allalbums
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/
How many different variations of two people "involved and connected"
have been suggested over the years,,well here is a new version, only
anitar...@gmail.com
> They can never allow John Humble to go free.
>
> He has the power to expose his conviction as a fake by producing voice
> recognition technology and disclosing what Chris Gregg did to him.
>
> They will have to shunt John Humble into a mental hospital and drug
> him insensible, like Peter Sutcliffe, to keep the lid on the Yorkshire
> Ripper cover up.
>
> The media will report later that John Humble has had a "breakdown."
I can categorically state that I have spoken DIRECTLY with John Humble between arrest and sentencing....THE VOICE ON THE TAPES IS NOT JOHN HUMBLE