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Rupert Bear
Jan 31, 2012, 9:15:14 AM1/31/12
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For a journey through hysteria, mob violence, murder and fascism,
it's as well to start from a place of calm. Savile Park,
the green heart of polite life to the south of the town centre,
a tamed moorland for sport and strolls.
The land, then known as Skircoat Moor, was gifted to the
Halifax Corporation in 1866 by the Savile family,
lords of the manor since the 14th century,
with the proviso it remained unenclosed for the benefit of the public,
forever.
At the top, the northern renaissance solidity of the Crossley and
Porter Orphanage now provides education to the town's brightest
children:
in season, the park is planted with football and rugby posts.
Beyond that, the gothic rocket of the Wainhouse Tower stretches
to its rococo crown, an eccentric sentry keeping watch over the
town and giving the architectural finger to any approaching
traveller.
Even from the grass of the park, you can look over the steep
encircling
valleys to other hills beyond. Some bright days, it can feel like the
top of the world.
Unless you know, it doesn't feel like a place of murder.
On 4 April 1979, Josephine Anne Whitaker was walking
home from her grandparents, across the park at midnight.
She was 19, working at the town's eponymous building society,
living with her mum and step-dad.
She was found dead the next morning,
head smashed with a hammer and stabbed 25 times,
left lying by the wall around the school.
She was the eleventh known victim of the Yorkshire Ripper,
Peter Sutcliffe. Assistant Chief Constable
George Oldfield sounded the warning the next day,
as police began interviewing some 5000 townsfolk:
"Anyone could be the next victim.
This was a savage attack on an innocent young woman.
Clearly we have a homicidal maniac at large – a man obviously mentally
ill."
It wasn't the first time that Halifax lived in fear of such a maniac.
In November 1938, the town was plunged into panic by the
attacks of an unseen assailant known only as the Halifax Slasher.
Women were cut with razors; right-thinking men patrolled the streets;
bystanders who looked a bit odd were beaten up;
it was two weeks of terror of a kind said to have been
unseen since the days of Jack the Ripper
The difference was that in 1979, as in 1888, it was real – all too
bloody real.
In 1938, the verdict was mass hysteria.
The Halifax Slasher simply never existed..
More Here,,,
http://www.2ubh.com/features/SlasherSA.html
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it's as well to start from a place of calm. Savile Park,
the green heart of polite life to the south of the town centre,
a tamed moorland for sport and strolls.
The land, then known as Skircoat Moor, was gifted to the
Halifax Corporation in 1866 by the Savile family,
lords of the manor since the 14th century,
with the proviso it remained unenclosed for the benefit of the public,
forever.
At the top, the northern renaissance solidity of the Crossley and
Porter Orphanage now provides education to the town's brightest
children:
in season, the park is planted with football and rugby posts.
Beyond that, the gothic rocket of the Wainhouse Tower stretches
to its rococo crown, an eccentric sentry keeping watch over the
town and giving the architectural finger to any approaching
traveller.
Even from the grass of the park, you can look over the steep
encircling
valleys to other hills beyond. Some bright days, it can feel like the
top of the world.
Unless you know, it doesn't feel like a place of murder.
On 4 April 1979, Josephine Anne Whitaker was walking
home from her grandparents, across the park at midnight.
She was 19, working at the town's eponymous building society,
living with her mum and step-dad.
She was found dead the next morning,
head smashed with a hammer and stabbed 25 times,
left lying by the wall around the school.
She was the eleventh known victim of the Yorkshire Ripper,
Peter Sutcliffe. Assistant Chief Constable
George Oldfield sounded the warning the next day,
as police began interviewing some 5000 townsfolk:
"Anyone could be the next victim.
This was a savage attack on an innocent young woman.
Clearly we have a homicidal maniac at large – a man obviously mentally
ill."
It wasn't the first time that Halifax lived in fear of such a maniac.
In November 1938, the town was plunged into panic by the
attacks of an unseen assailant known only as the Halifax Slasher.
Women were cut with razors; right-thinking men patrolled the streets;
bystanders who looked a bit odd were beaten up;
it was two weeks of terror of a kind said to have been
unseen since the days of Jack the Ripper
The difference was that in 1979, as in 1888, it was real – all too
bloody real.
In 1938, the verdict was mass hysteria.
The Halifax Slasher simply never existed..
More Here,,,
http://www.2ubh.com/features/SlasherSA.html
.........................................................................
Rupert Bear
Jan 31, 2012, 9:35:01 AM1/31/12
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On Jan 31, 2:15 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> For a journey through hysteria, mob violence, murder and fascism,
> it's as well to start from a place of calm. Savile Park,
> For a journey through hysteria, mob violence, murder and fascism,
> it's as well to start from a place of calm. Savile Park,
> More Here,,,
>
> http://www.2ubh.com/features/SlasherSA.html
>
> .........................................................................
And then there is the Halifax Gibbet too...
>
> http://www.2ubh.com/features/SlasherSA.html
>
> .........................................................................
The Halifax Gibbet Law set out the simple rule:
"That if a Felon be taken within their Liberty, with Goods
stoln out or within the Liberty or Precincts of the said Forest [of
Hardwick],
either Hand-habend, Backberand or Confessand,
Cloth or any other commodity of the value of Thirteen Pence half-
penny,
that they shall after three Markets or Meeting Days, within the Town
of Hallifax,
next after such his Apprehension, and being condemned,
he shall be taken to the Gibbet and there shall have his Head cut off
from his Body."
Beheadings took place at the main Saturday markets, ensuring a good
turn out;
the condemned was daily placed in stocks in the meanwhile.
Audience participation was encouraged.
According to Raphael Holinshead's 'Chronicle' of 1587,
the axe was set in motion by the removal of a pin, to which a long
rope was attached:
"Every man there present doth take hold of the rope
or putteth forth his arm so near to the same as he can get in token
that he is willing to see justice executed,
and pulling out the pin in this manner the head-block
wherein the axe is fashioned doth fall down with such violence
that if the neck of the transgressor were as big as a bull
it should be cut in sunder and roll from the body by an huge
distance...
Wicked stuff EH,,
A puplic pin pulling and
party afterwards I expect....
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Rupert Bear
Jan 31, 2012, 9:50:26 AM1/31/12
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On Jan 31, 2:35 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Wicked stuff EH,,
>
> A puplic pin pulling and
> party afterwards I expect....
>
> .............................................................
John Christie was from Halifax,,
>
> Wicked stuff EH,,
>
> A puplic pin pulling and
> party afterwards I expect....
>
> .............................................................
and his wife from Sheffield...
And there was that Timothy Evans carry on too...
http://www.innocent.org.uk/cases/timothyevans/index.html
The family of a man hanged - and later cleared - of two of the
infamous
10 Rillington Place murders has launched a compensation claim for
"51 years of silence and disbelief".
Timothy Evans, 25, a Welsh van driver with an IQ of 70
who boasted that he was the son of an Italian count,
was executed in 1950 for strangling his wife Beryl
and his 14-month-old daughter, Geraldine, the previous year.
The bodies of the mother and child were found buried in a washroom
at their flat in Notting Hill, west London, shortly after Beryl
had told friends that she wanted to undergo an illegal abortion.
Three years after Mr Evans was hanged, John Christie,
a neighbour in the house at 10 Rillington Place,
confessed to strangling eight female victims -
including Beryl and her baby daughter. He too was executed.
The confession by Christie, 40, which gripped post-war Britain
with its grisly insight into the first mass murder of the era,
uncovered one of the most notorious miscarriages of justice in British
legal history.
In the face of apparently overwhelming evidence gathered by two public
inquiries
that Christie had sent his neighbour to the gallows,
Mr Evans received an official royal pardon in 1966.
A compensation claim to the Home Office was rejected.
But the award last week of £600,000 in damages to the family
of Mahmood Mattan, a Somali sailor wrongly executed in 1952,
has prompted Mr Evans's sister, Eleanor Ashby, 79, to try again.
Mrs Ashby, of Chippenham, Wiltshire, who remembers her mother,
Thomasina Probert, receiving the pardon letter, said:
"The pardon offered some comfort but nobody knows how his family
suffered.
"It has been 51 years of silence and disbelief.
Every time a miscarriage of justice comes to light, we think of it.
I would like people to know that he really was innocent.
We feel like the victims."
The case has been taken up by Bernard de Maid,
the Cardiff solicitor who was employed by the family of Mr Mattan
to seek to overturn his conviction for slitting the throat
of a South Wales pawnbroker, Lily Volpert.
Despite having four alibi witnesses, the 28-year-sailor,
who was described by his own defence lawyer as a "semi-civilised
savage",
was convicted and executed within six months of the murder...
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Rupert Bear
Jan 31, 2012, 10:25:41 AM1/31/12
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On Jan 31, 2:50 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
They reckon Christie killed a least eight women,,
some of them prostitutes... and the Movie..
10 Rillington Place was released in 1971
http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/nostalgia/crimelibrary/johnchristie/
They had been dead about three weeks.
Beryl had been beaten and there were signs of sexual interference.
Christie, when spoken to by police,
said he thought the tie was similar to one he’d seen Evans wearing.
The police, now conducting a murder investigation, again spoke to
Evans,
who changed his story yet again, admitting the murders of his wife and
daughter,
and later gave a more detailed account of the entire sequence of
events.
He said he had murdered Beryl in the morning and placed her in the
washhouse,
then baby Geraldine when he got home from work, placing her into the
washhouse also.
But this was not possible, for on 8th November, there were workmen in
there all day.
Despite this obvious discrepancy, which needed investigating at
least,
Evans, the known liar and man of low intelligence,
and possibly afraid to say anything against an ex-Special,
was charged with the murders.
He admitted them to police, but not to his mother.
‘I didn’t do it mam,’ he said. ‘It was Christie.’
Ah Well,, he got a posthumous reprieve later...
.................................................................
They reckon Christie killed a least eight women,,
some of them prostitutes... and the Movie..
10 Rillington Place was released in 1971
http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/nostalgia/crimelibrary/johnchristie/
They had been dead about three weeks.
Beryl had been beaten and there were signs of sexual interference.
Christie, when spoken to by police,
said he thought the tie was similar to one he’d seen Evans wearing.
The police, now conducting a murder investigation, again spoke to
Evans,
who changed his story yet again, admitting the murders of his wife and
daughter,
and later gave a more detailed account of the entire sequence of
events.
He said he had murdered Beryl in the morning and placed her in the
washhouse,
then baby Geraldine when he got home from work, placing her into the
washhouse also.
But this was not possible, for on 8th November, there were workmen in
there all day.
Despite this obvious discrepancy, which needed investigating at
least,
Evans, the known liar and man of low intelligence,
and possibly afraid to say anything against an ex-Special,
was charged with the murders.
He admitted them to police, but not to his mother.
‘I didn’t do it mam,’ he said. ‘It was Christie.’
Ah Well,, he got a posthumous reprieve later...
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Rupert Bear
Jan 31, 2012, 12:25:32 PM1/31/12
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On Jan 31, 3:25 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2:50 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> They reckon Christie killed a least eight women,,
> some of them prostitutes...
> On Jan 31, 2:50 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> They reckon Christie killed a least eight women,,
> some of them prostitutes...
> He admitted them to police, but not to his mother.
> ‘I didn’t do it mam,’ he said. ‘It was Christie.’
>
> Ah Well,, he got a posthumous reprieve later...
>
> .................................................................
I suppose the point of all the above is that Halifax is
> ‘I didn’t do it mam,’ he said. ‘It was Christie.’
>
> Ah Well,, he got a posthumous reprieve later...
>
> .................................................................
quite an interesting place when researching crime
history....
Many folks know my interest by now,,
I have my own ideas about the
Yorkshire Ripper case,,
an reckon anyone who believes that
Oldfields case of 79 has been properley
resolved with three quite separate individuals,,
not connected in any way,, who all quite by
chance just happened to have the same rare blood type..
6% for nonsecretors and 8% for secretors...
Well,, anyone who believes that lot,, just got to
be really ignorant,,or naive,, or just plain brain dead....
So I will get on with the more interesting stuff for
other less afflicted citizens...
Yer,, Halifax has quite an interesting history to research,,,
from a criminal and murder point of view....
A man who killed ladies and prostitutes (Christie)
came from that area,, he also successfully
blamed his crime (for a while) on another man...
Getting back to Oldfield's Yorkshire Ripper case,,,
he received letters and a tape that accurately predicted
three murders... It is also quite clear if you make a quick study
of those letters and tape,, that the author was quite familiar
with the original 1888 London Jack story
and had mimicked the style of infamous,, original Jack Ripper
letters..
In fact,, he had doubled the number of kills and gone one better
by sending a tape recorded message, which also mimmicked
the original case,,, haw haw.....
The third one of those letters arrived ten days before the
the Halifax murder,, which tied everything together for the cops
and then they all went off to Sunderland to look for them there...
But they never did get him did they,,,
a Sunderland man was clearly held to be responsible..
There can be no doubt those letters came from the killer..
But the killers finger pointed to another,, who in this case could
not be found....
They all reckoned it was his ego and boasting
behind those letters and tape,,
but they could not get him,,
so maybe he was not the daft one...
A couple was seen in Saville Park and in Alma Road
just before the murders and neither couple were traced..
And as I hold a couple to be responsible for the Yorkshire Ripper
series of murders,,, perhaps some of you will be interested
in this way of thinking about them...
My cousin Pete and his wife have connections with
Preston and Manchester,,, they lived south on Manchester,,
her family were from the Preston area...
Pete was a mechanical engineering sort,,
and she was a very clever girl...
In fact she was a student at 20 when
they were married,, a University student
with a talent for research...
She sent a fairly extensive research project of hers
to my mother,,her own historical account from an
area of my mums old home town...
It reflects her natural inclinations...
And so I was watching Martine Coles Lady Killers
the other night,, and the point was made how carefully
planned Brady's and Hindley's crimes were...
And I thought of this student who must have researched the
original London Jack and wondered what else would she
ave been looking at under the circumstances.....
Well the Moors murders for sure,, Jack Ripper in London
for sure,,, Bonnie and Clyde,, 1967 movie with Warren Beattie,,
and Fay Dunnaway...
10 Rillington Place movie,, 1971 and the Halifax connection,,
are all pretty obvious connections or influences...
Yea,, a clever young university student had married my cousin,,
and somehow,,?,, by 1977 they jointly became involved
in what was to become known as the Yorkshire Ripper
series of murders...
It became known by this name because quite clearly was
a re-enactment of the original 1888 jobby... This fact
was acknowledged many times in the press...
So what was happening in 1979,, wi that plan,,
and why did they choose Halifax,,
perhaps part of the answer is in the history of the place....
Seems fitting for what happened somehow..
The Ripper,, and it is "they" in my scenario,,
had crafted two very similar letters with enough
detail of Huddersfield to get George interested..
And predicted the next kill would be an old
prostitute in Manchester...
Signed,,, Jack the Ripper...
It was a pretty fair bet this first prediction would not
be taken too seriously until after the prediction was carried out..
And it was carried out,,, and then the series of murders stopped
for a year until Halifax....
Another letter was sent,, from Sunderland with oil and metal
traces on it and ten days later,, another girl was killed
in Saville Park and found to have the same oil and metal traces
in her wounds... More than that it connected the Preston murders,,
and the Manchester murders,,, and led the cops off to Sunderland...
Well we know what a problem that was for the cops...
And now we have three felons all blood type B...
Pull the other one EH...
The circumstances leading up to the Halifax murder
are of particular interest to anyone who would wish
to understand the Yorkshire Ripper case...
Crime history should also be considered
because it most certainly was by the author/s
of the letters and tape...
A young couple with links to Manchester and Preston
who became jointly involved in planning and committing
an unsolved remake of the original 1888 London Jack story
are the perfect solution for Oldfield's case...
The craft and cunning from the lady
and the brutal simplicity from the boy,,
Travelling together they scouted Yorkshire towns
and red light areas with impunity..
And devised a plan,,,
They picked up some poor unsuspecting
punter in Sunderland and persuaded him to read
a message into the tape...
Just like that,, (Tommy Cooper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SyB5D7GRCI&feature=related
Details here..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/Ruperts%20Box/
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Rupert Bear
Feb 2, 2012, 1:05:57 PM2/2/12
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On Jan 31, 5:25 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
But not nearly so bad as this one...
Ray Coniff Singers...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79QWEmHf2FQ
A tape machine recorded that playing in the background
while Myra and Brady were killin kiddies,,
jees it's awful to imagine....
They is both described as folks wi no brakes....
But I dunno,, maybe Myra brought it to an end,,
or maybe they had a plan to incriminate tha David Smith chap..
That was in the sixties wi bodies buried on the Yorkshire Moors,,
and I just thought to browse some some other old news
that might be considered relevant research for a young
couple from south on Manchester..
Dagnabit,, thon cops had another case on the go in 75-76 where they
played a tape recording of the mans voice on tv and radio...
That Donald Nielson ,, Leslie Whittle carry on...
Nielson was from Bradford or Dewsbury area ,,,
but they thought he was from the Midlands
cos of the tape wot lead them astray..
Leslie was found in a drain in Kidsgrove,,
and that really is quite close to home wi my family
connections...
1975 was when it all started and the influences of the era
are worth considering...
Zodiac killer in US was tormenting the cops with letters,,
1888 Jack the Ripper sent letters...
The Stripper Ripper was also unsolved...
By cricky those were the days for serial killin Eh,,..
I opened a new snips album here..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/More%20Old%20News/
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> And devised a plan,,,
> They picked up some poor unsuspecting
> punter in Sunderland and persuaded him to read
> a message into the tape...
>
> Just like that,, (Tommy Cooper)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SyB5D7GRCI&feature=related
>
I suppose tha last link o mine might seem abit tacky....
> They picked up some poor unsuspecting
> punter in Sunderland and persuaded him to read
> a message into the tape...
>
> Just like that,, (Tommy Cooper)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SyB5D7GRCI&feature=related
>
But not nearly so bad as this one...
Ray Coniff Singers...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79QWEmHf2FQ
A tape machine recorded that playing in the background
while Myra and Brady were killin kiddies,,
jees it's awful to imagine....
They is both described as folks wi no brakes....
But I dunno,, maybe Myra brought it to an end,,
or maybe they had a plan to incriminate tha David Smith chap..
That was in the sixties wi bodies buried on the Yorkshire Moors,,
and I just thought to browse some some other old news
that might be considered relevant research for a young
couple from south on Manchester..
Dagnabit,, thon cops had another case on the go in 75-76 where they
played a tape recording of the mans voice on tv and radio...
That Donald Nielson ,, Leslie Whittle carry on...
Nielson was from Bradford or Dewsbury area ,,,
but they thought he was from the Midlands
cos of the tape wot lead them astray..
Leslie was found in a drain in Kidsgrove,,
and that really is quite close to home wi my family
connections...
1975 was when it all started and the influences of the era
are worth considering...
Zodiac killer in US was tormenting the cops with letters,,
1888 Jack the Ripper sent letters...
The Stripper Ripper was also unsolved...
By cricky those were the days for serial killin Eh,,..
I opened a new snips album here..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/More%20Old%20News/
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Rupert Bear
Feb 2, 2012, 1:23:15 PM2/2/12
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On Jan 31, 5:25 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 3:25 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 31, 2:50 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > They reckon Christie killed a least eight women,,
> > some of them prostitutes...
Evans admitted them to police, but not to his mother.
> On Jan 31, 3:25 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 31, 2:50 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > They reckon Christie killed a least eight women,,
> > some of them prostitutes...
>
> ........................................................................
Rupert Bear
Feb 5, 2012, 6:37:14 PM2/5/12
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On Feb 2, 6:23 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
There was even a killer from vienna..
Jack Unterweger,,,
I saw a documentary about him the other night..
He was driving around in a car with personalised
numberplate's,,, JACK ONE,, or similar..
He killed a girl and ten years later became a T V
personality...
And went on to become an international serial killer...
Fair enough it was ten years later but the reasons why
things like this happen are important to understand...
It is important to understand that,,
The person ,, or persons who killed Miss Whitaker
did not know her,, had nothing against her at all...
Something else was going on and the cops knew it,,,
this video may help...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=DSCF4386.mp4
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There was even a killer from vienna..
Jack Unterweger,,,
I saw a documentary about him the other night..
He was driving around in a car with personalised
numberplate's,,, JACK ONE,, or similar..
He killed a girl and ten years later became a T V
personality...
And went on to become an international serial killer...
Fair enough it was ten years later but the reasons why
things like this happen are important to understand...
It is important to understand that,,
The person ,, or persons who killed Miss Whitaker
did not know her,, had nothing against her at all...
Something else was going on and the cops knew it,,,
this video may help...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=DSCF4386.mp4
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Rupert Bear
Feb 5, 2012, 7:49:16 PM2/5/12
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On Feb 5, 11:37 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:23 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> There was even a killer from vienna..
> Jack Unterweger,,,
>
> I saw a documentary about him the other night..
> He was driving around in a car with personalised
> numberplate's,,, JACK ONE,, or similar..
> He killed a girl and ten years later became a T V
> personality...
>
> And went on to become an international serial killer...
> Fair enough it was ten years later but the reasons why
> things like this happen are important to understand...
>
> It is important to understand that,,
> The person ,, or persons who killed Miss Whitaker
> did not know her,, had nothing against her at all...
>
> Something else was going on and the cops knew it,,,
> this video may help...
>
> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=vie...
> On Feb 2, 6:23 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> There was even a killer from vienna..
> Jack Unterweger,,,
>
> I saw a documentary about him the other night..
> He was driving around in a car with personalised
> numberplate's,,, JACK ONE,, or similar..
> He killed a girl and ten years later became a T V
> personality...
>
> And went on to become an international serial killer...
> Fair enough it was ten years later but the reasons why
> things like this happen are important to understand...
>
> It is important to understand that,,
> The person ,, or persons who killed Miss Whitaker
> did not know her,, had nothing against her at all...
>
> Something else was going on and the cops knew it,,,
> this video may help...
>
>
> ..........................................................................
That video link relates to the first murder in Jan 77...
When he/they returned after a years absence..
It had become a Jack ripper prostitute killing
re-enactment.....
Ittsa hard to figure but fred and rose and myra and
brady are hard to figure too...
Those things did happen though,,,
I describe a couple who went another way..
Rather more careful and calculating than either of the
above mentioned..
The Halifax killing came a year after the first two
Yorkshire Ripper letters had been sent...
The letters had not been made known by the Police,,,
This was an unacceptable situation because the letters from the NE
served two purposes,, without that acknowledgement of the Sunderland
letters
from the Police the hunt had actually come closer to home...
Killing a respectable girl in Halifax was just a way of upping the
Auntie..
and making the cops acknowledge the letters from Sunderland...
That was what they wanted....
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Rupert Bear
Feb 5, 2012, 8:00:16 PM2/5/12
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>
> I describe a couple who went another way..
> Rather more careful and calculating than either of the
> above mentioned..
>
> The Halifax killing came a year after the first two
> Yorkshire Ripper letters had been sent...
He/they had carried out their predicted murder in Manchester,,
> I describe a couple who went another way..
> Rather more careful and calculating than either of the
> above mentioned..
>
> The Halifax killing came a year after the first two
> Yorkshire Ripper letters had been sent...
Vera Millward,,,
BUT..Their letters
>
> Had not been made known by the Police,,,
Rupert Bear
Feb 5, 2012, 8:13:33 PM2/5/12
to
to the daily Mirror too,, and still nothing happened in the press to
acknowledge what they/he had done...
Waited and waited,,,,,
Then they saw the cops stick another one on the list that
din even belong.. Yvonne ?
Well they could see no one really cared much about
Vera,, a sad old hooker,,, but had learned from Jayne
iffin you wanna public response,, hit an innocent target..
and that was what happened next in Halifax...
WASSIN IT
..................................
Rupert Bear
Feb 9, 2012, 11:01:27 PM2/9/12
to
On Feb 6, 1:0
The link I posted to the "Dr. Green" clip might not work properly..
I moved the clip into another album ,, sorry..
Here is another link,,, to its new location...
http://tinyurl.com/6rna8x2
............................
Yer,,
Try to imagine a young couple,,doing an1888 remake,,,
wot had sent letters to the cops
saying he was going to do another one next in Manchester or
Liverpool..
And then they had gone out out and dunnit and nothing blomin well
happened..
A couple with connections to Manchester and Preston
who had sent letters to the cops and the
press which they hopped would lead the investigation
away in the opposite direction, to the NE..
Had sent letters,,to the police and the press,,
letters predicting a murder and actually carried
it out,, and yet,, NOTHING HAD HAPPENED,,!
The series of murders stopped at that time (for nearly a year)
as they waited trying to figure what the cops would do..
And then they got their answer in September 78 when the cops issued a
statement that Mrs Harrison was now included in the Ripper list,,
but so was Yvonne Pearson,, a girl they had not killed...
More than that,, there was no acknowledgement of their
Jack Ripper letters...
HMMPH,, how to fix tha problem,, i wonder...
They wanted to connect Preston wi Yorkshire,,
and a bite was recorded in Halifax which did exactly that...
They wanted to connect Sunderland with the letters
and oil was found in the halifax victims wounds and on the envelope
which did the same thing...
They wanted you to believe they/he was from Sunderland
and a tape received from a Sunderland man predicted another murder
which was fulfilled...
Upping the Auntie punished the cops and they got what they wanted..
Cause and effect,,,
Is anyone a thinking for themselves yet...
............................
>
> BUT..Their letters
>
> > Had not been made known by the Police,,,
> > This was an unacceptable situation because the letters from the NE
> > served two purposes,, without that acknowledgement of the Sunderland
> > letters
> > from the Police the hunt had actually come closer to home...
>
> > Killing a respectable girl in Halifax was just a way of upping the
> > Auntie..
> > and making the cops acknowledge the letters from Sunderland...
>
> > That was what they wanted....
>
> > .........................................................................
Me links don't seem to work...
> BUT..Their letters
>
> > Had not been made known by the Police,,,
> > This was an unacceptable situation because the letters from the NE
> > served two purposes,, without that acknowledgement of the Sunderland
> > letters
> > from the Police the hunt had actually come closer to home...
>
> > Killing a respectable girl in Halifax was just a way of upping the
> > Auntie..
> > and making the cops acknowledge the letters from Sunderland...
>
> > That was what they wanted....
>
> > .........................................................................
The link I posted to the "Dr. Green" clip might not work properly..
I moved the clip into another album ,, sorry..
Here is another link,,, to its new location...
http://tinyurl.com/6rna8x2
............................
Yer,,
Try to imagine a young couple,,doing an1888 remake,,,
wot had sent letters to the cops
saying he was going to do another one next in Manchester or
Liverpool..
And then they had gone out out and dunnit and nothing blomin well
happened..
A couple with connections to Manchester and Preston
who had sent letters to the cops and the
press which they hopped would lead the investigation
away in the opposite direction, to the NE..
Had sent letters,,to the police and the press,,
letters predicting a murder and actually carried
it out,, and yet,, NOTHING HAD HAPPENED,,!
The series of murders stopped at that time (for nearly a year)
as they waited trying to figure what the cops would do..
And then they got their answer in September 78 when the cops issued a
statement that Mrs Harrison was now included in the Ripper list,,
but so was Yvonne Pearson,, a girl they had not killed...
More than that,, there was no acknowledgement of their
Jack Ripper letters...
HMMPH,, how to fix tha problem,, i wonder...
They wanted to connect Preston wi Yorkshire,,
and a bite was recorded in Halifax which did exactly that...
They wanted to connect Sunderland with the letters
and oil was found in the halifax victims wounds and on the envelope
which did the same thing...
They wanted you to believe they/he was from Sunderland
and a tape received from a Sunderland man predicted another murder
which was fulfilled...
Upping the Auntie punished the cops and they got what they wanted..
Cause and effect,,,
Is anyone a thinking for themselves yet...
............................
Rupert Bear
Feb 9, 2012, 11:33:00 PM2/9/12
to
To those few i would like to impart a feeling i have always
had about the Mrs Long attack..
If you want something done right you have to do it yourself...
Why did he apologise for Jayne,,
Why did he go back so soon and do another older one,,
(who unexpectedly beat the odds and survived)..
This is what I am getting at when when I say I do not
know where to draw the line as to the spouses involvement...
He may have been at a party many miles away that night for all I
might know...
He changed his routine for certain,,,
but what was that change that night Jayne died???
why did he go back so soon to correct it
and apologise later..
Bloody women cant get nothing right can they...
Might be so,, an alibi was established ..
Iffen only someone would investigate.. and find the truth..
.......................................................
Rupert Bear
Feb 16, 2012, 10:30:51 PM2/16/12
to
On Feb 10, 4:33 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 4:01 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 1:0
I have only been able to find one description of
> On Feb 10, 4:01 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 1:0
the Saville park couple,,, described in
David Yallops book..
Link Here..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Fair%20Haired%20Man/?action=view¤t=MrMousey.jpg
>
Consider that their letters
> > > > Had not been made known by the Police,,,
> > > > This was an unacceptable situation because the letters from the NE
> > > > served two purposes,, without that acknowledgement of the Sunderland
> > > > letters
> > > > from the Police the hunt had actually come closer to home...
>
> > > > Killing a respectable girl in Halifax was just a way of upping the
> > > > Auntie..
> > > > and making the cops acknowledge the letters from Sunderland...
>
> > > > That was what they wanted....
>
http://tinyurl.com/6rna8x2
> > > > This was an unacceptable situation because the letters from the NE
> > > > served two purposes,, without that acknowledgement of the Sunderland
> > > > letters
> > > > from the Police the hunt had actually come closer to home...
>
> > > > Killing a respectable girl in Halifax was just a way of upping the
> > > > Auntie..
> > > > and making the cops acknowledge the letters from Sunderland...
>
> > > > That was what they wanted....
>
>
Dr Greens little talk helps one to
understand that there was more than
just mindless killing going on..
It had clearly been directed against prostitutes
but that was another thing that changed in Saville Park...
So what for the motivation there...
>
> > ............................
>
> > Yer,,
> > Try to imagine a young couple,,doing an1888 remake,,,
> > wot had sent letters to the cops
> > saying he was going to do another one next in Manchester or
> > Liverpool..
>
> > And then he/they had gone out out and dunnit and nothing blomin well
> > ............................
>
> > Yer,,
> > Try to imagine a young couple,,doing an1888 remake,,,
> > wot had sent letters to the cops
> > saying he was going to do another one next in Manchester or
> > Liverpool..
>
> > happened..
>
> > A couple with connections to Manchester and Preston
> > who had sent letters to the cops and the
> > press which they hoped would lead the investigation
>
> > A couple with connections to Manchester and Preston
> > who had sent letters to the cops and the
> > away in the opposite direction, to the NE..
>
> > Had sent letters,,to the police and the press,,
> > letters predicting a murder and actually carried
> > it out,, and yet,, NOTHING HAD HAPPENED,,!
>
> > The series of murders stopped at that time (for nearly a year)
> > as they waited trying to figure what the cops would do..
>
> > And then they got their answer in September 78 when the cops issued a
> > statement that Mrs Harrison was now included in the Ripper list,,
Link Here..
>
> > Had sent letters,,to the police and the press,,
> > letters predicting a murder and actually carried
> > it out,, and yet,, NOTHING HAD HAPPENED,,!
>
> > The series of murders stopped at that time (for nearly a year)
> > as they waited trying to figure what the cops would do..
>
> > And then they got their answer in September 78 when the cops issued a
> > statement that Mrs Harrison was now included in the Ripper list,,
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Yvonne%20Pearson/?action=view¤t=Express16Sept78.jpg
> > but so was Yvonne Pearson,, a girl they had not killed...
>
> > More than that,, there was no acknowledgement of their
> > Jack Ripper letters...
>
> > HMMPH,, how to fix tha problem,, i wonder...
>
> > They wanted to connect Preston wi Yorkshire,,
> > and a bite was recorded in Halifax which did exactly that...
> > They wanted to connect Sunderland with the letters
> > and oil was found in the halifax victims wounds and on the envelope
> > which did the same thing...
> > They wanted you to believe they/he was from Sunderland
> > and a tape received from a Sunderland man predicted another murder
> > which again,, was fulfilled...
>
> > More than that,, there was no acknowledgement of their
> > Jack Ripper letters...
>
> > HMMPH,, how to fix tha problem,, i wonder...
>
> > They wanted to connect Preston wi Yorkshire,,
> > and a bite was recorded in Halifax which did exactly that...
> > They wanted to connect Sunderland with the letters
> > and oil was found in the halifax victims wounds and on the envelope
> > which did the same thing...
> > They wanted you to believe they/he was from Sunderland
> > and a tape received from a Sunderland man predicted another murder
>
> > Upping the Auntie punished the cops and they got what they wanted..
>
> > Cause and effect,,,
>
> > Is anyone a thinking for themselves yet...
>
> > ............................
>
> One or two folks are thinking again...
>
..................................................................
> > Upping the Auntie punished the cops and they got what they wanted..
>
> > Cause and effect,,,
>
> > Is anyone a thinking for themselves yet...
>
> > ............................
>
> One or two folks are thinking again...
>
Rupert Bear
Feb 16, 2012, 11:36:59 PM2/16/12
to
On Feb 17, 3:30 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Yer,,,
David Yallops description of the couple
fits very well with the couple I have in mind..
And a couple was seen in Alma road too...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Two%20and%20Two/?action=view¤t=ArminArmdated-1.jpg
Marilyn Moore relates that Dave was waving to a spouse when she saw
him,,
and records two interior rear view mirrors...
And most important,, she also said he was not a local man...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Moureen%20and%20Marilyn/?action=view¤t=MarilynKinsley.jpg
The other crucial surviving victim (Maureen Long)
said the same thing,,though the cops kept it quiet,,
she remarked to the mirror...
Not a local man,, he talked funnily....
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Moureen%20and%20Marilyn/?action=view¤t=NotLocal.jpg
All of which is consistent with the scenario I try describe''
he had a right peculiar twang about him,, the whole family
spoke that way.....
A couple from South on Manchester,,
with close connections to
Preston and Manchester,,,,
Who somehow or other started off in 75,,,
Stopped for a year,,
but came back at the beginning of 77
with a clearly defined series of murders which mimicked
the original 1888 London Jack story...
A remake which was complete with Jack Ripper letters
when Mrs Milward was murdered in Manchester....
But the cops had kept those letters quiet and denied them the
glory or recognition...
One had even been sent to the Mirror newspaper,,
so it is a pretty fair bet,,
PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THOSE RIPPER LETTERS FROM SUNDERLAND,,
was what was wanted,,, that was why Vera was killed,, they said in his
letter,,
an old one next from Manchester,, that was what happened..
Wassin It,,.
But The
Jack Ripper letters from Sunderland were not being publicly
acknowledged
and the cops were messing wi them when they stuck
Yvonne on their list too....
Yer tha was when it all went quiet for a year
while they was having a think about it....
Killing an old prostitute had not been enough to get the desired
result...
Halifax was their second attempt to connect everything
together they way they wanted...
The death of a respectable girl hammered the cops
and loose'd an enraged public on the cops...
Halifax also benefited from a surfeit of clues
and forensic links which linked the series
of deaths together Preston and Manchester,,
linked by letters to the NE town of Sunderland...
While thame two was sitting pretty,, larfing,,
many miles away in the opposite direction..
They hadn't waisted their time watching the cops and news
and figuring everything out...
They forced the cops to go public with the handwriting
and information about the Jack Ripper letters from
Sunderland,,,
Smothered them with clues so there could be no doubt
about the letters being genuine...
When the cops did finally
start looking for the letter writer from the NE...
And there is no doubt they did have to do that..
Some clever sod had already figured they would have to
start looking up there,,,months ahead of them...
Yer,,,
To achieve thon result the best plan was to
send another letter warning of ANOTHER death..
and punish the cops with a respectable target
and the predictable outcry and furore from the
Public and Media...
And as soon as the thame cops started looking in the NE
THAT WAS WHEN THE TAPE WAS SENT..
WASSIN IT....
.....................................................................
Yer,,,
David Yallops description of the couple
fits very well with the couple I have in mind..
And a couple was seen in Alma road too...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Two%20and%20Two/?action=view¤t=ArminArmdated-1.jpg
Marilyn Moore relates that Dave was waving to a spouse when she saw
him,,
and records two interior rear view mirrors...
And most important,, she also said he was not a local man...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Moureen%20and%20Marilyn/?action=view¤t=MarilynKinsley.jpg
The other crucial surviving victim (Maureen Long)
said the same thing,,though the cops kept it quiet,,
she remarked to the mirror...
Not a local man,, he talked funnily....
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Moureen%20and%20Marilyn/?action=view¤t=NotLocal.jpg
All of which is consistent with the scenario I try describe''
he had a right peculiar twang about him,, the whole family
spoke that way.....
A couple from South on Manchester,,
with close connections to
Preston and Manchester,,,,
Who somehow or other started off in 75,,,
Stopped for a year,,
but came back at the beginning of 77
with a clearly defined series of murders which mimicked
the original 1888 London Jack story...
A remake which was complete with Jack Ripper letters
when Mrs Milward was murdered in Manchester....
But the cops had kept those letters quiet and denied them the
glory or recognition...
One had even been sent to the Mirror newspaper,,
so it is a pretty fair bet,,
PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THOSE RIPPER LETTERS FROM SUNDERLAND,,
was what was wanted,,, that was why Vera was killed,, they said in his
letter,,
an old one next from Manchester,, that was what happened..
Wassin It,,.
But The
Jack Ripper letters from Sunderland were not being publicly
acknowledged
and the cops were messing wi them when they stuck
Yvonne on their list too....
Yer tha was when it all went quiet for a year
while they was having a think about it....
Killing an old prostitute had not been enough to get the desired
result...
Halifax was their second attempt to connect everything
together they way they wanted...
The death of a respectable girl hammered the cops
and loose'd an enraged public on the cops...
Halifax also benefited from a surfeit of clues
and forensic links which linked the series
of deaths together Preston and Manchester,,
linked by letters to the NE town of Sunderland...
While thame two was sitting pretty,, larfing,,
many miles away in the opposite direction..
They hadn't waisted their time watching the cops and news
and figuring everything out...
They forced the cops to go public with the handwriting
and information about the Jack Ripper letters from
Sunderland,,,
Smothered them with clues so there could be no doubt
about the letters being genuine...
When the cops did finally
start looking for the letter writer from the NE...
And there is no doubt they did have to do that..
Some clever sod had already figured they would have to
start looking up there,,,months ahead of them...
Yer,,,
To achieve thon result the best plan was to
send another letter warning of ANOTHER death..
and punish the cops with a respectable target
and the predictable outcry and furore from the
Public and Media...
And as soon as the thame cops started looking in the NE
THAT WAS WHEN THE TAPE WAS SENT..
WASSIN IT....
.....................................................................
Rupert Bear.
Feb 19, 2012, 2:21:18 AM2/19/12
to
On Feb 17, 4:36 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 3:30 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Yer,,,
>
> David Yallops description of the couple
> fits very well with the couple I have in mind..
>
> And a couple was seen in Alma road too...http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Two%20and%2...
> On Feb 17, 3:30 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Yer,,,
>
> David Yallops description of the couple
> fits very well with the couple I have in mind..
>
>
> Marilyn Moore relates that Dave was waving to a spouse when she saw
> him,,
> and records two interior rear view mirrors...
> And most important,, she also said he was not a local man...http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Moureen%20a...
> Marilyn Moore relates that Dave was waving to a spouse when she saw
> him,,
> and records two interior rear view mirrors...
>
> The other crucial surviving victim (Maureen Long)
> said the same thing,,though the cops kept it quiet,,
> she remarked to the mirror...
> Not a local man,, he talked funnily....http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Moureen%20a...
> The other crucial surviving victim (Maureen Long)
> said the same thing,,though the cops kept it quiet,,
> she remarked to the mirror...
You realise that the public were the least well informed...
The killer/s learned a lot more about what
police were doing on than we possibly could..
And if anyone is still with my train of thought here
I am talking about my cousin,, Pete...
Who lost his dad to syphilis when he was only ten..
................................................................
........
Rupert Bear
Feb 20, 2012, 1:27:35 PM2/20/12
to
On Feb 19, 7:21 am, "Rupert Bear."
Travellers and sailors of yor had a saying
"From Hell, Hull and Halifax, may the good lord deliver us".
Saville Park was the scene of a big old battle between
Royalists and Parliamentarians and previously known
as the ,Bloody Field..
Lots of interesting old History...
But what was really happening on that Moor in 1979,, ??
Well ive never read anything that makes sense out of the
Yorkshire Ripper case...
And looked to figure for myself..
It is easier today now that so much info has become available..
The letters and tape a part of the fabric and weave of the
whole carry on,, understanding them is essential...
The first two letters sought to connect Preston and Manchester
with the Yorkshire series,, and as they were posted from Sunderland
they tend to suggest a link up there...
They predicted the next death would be an old gal
in Manchester and this was carried and a few weeks later this
prediction was fulfilled...
Killing Vera in Manchester confirmed the letters,, the
Preston Link was eventually announced in September of that
year,, but the Jack the Ripper letters from Sunderland
unsurprisingly,, were were kept quiet by the Police...
In a way the author of the letters tagged Preston to
the series,, but his letters from Sunderland despite
having sent one to the Daily Mirror were not mentioned...
Obviously he had wanted them to be known otherwise
he would not have sent one to the Mirror,,, the
original 1888 case was famous because of the Jack Ripper letters...
The cops had rather sneakily included Yvonne Pearson
at the same time as Mrs Harrison in Preston..
So it was far from a complete success from the authors
point of view,, and now the forensics from Preston became
a liability,,, rare blood type,,, and bite mark....
Quite appart from the cops having surveillance
all over the place in the red light areas he could not
now risk being stopped for so much as kerb crawling...
Things changed after Mrs Millward was murdered in Manchester,,,
prostitutes were no longer the target..
As a modern day remake of London Jack,, it might
have been complete at that time,,
if they had acknowledged his letters from Sunderland..
One can understand why the cops was reluctant to announce them
though..
And so...
Things went quiet for a year before Halifax,, i should think
he could still have found an unwary bank clerk,, office worker,,
or student,,in Leeds or Bradford if he wanted...
But it was Halifax that was targeted,, only eleven days after
another warning letter from Sunderland had been sent...
Like it or not Halifax was now lumbered with even more
fascinating crime history for there is no doubt that it
became the pivotal point in the Yorkshire Ripper case....
Everything started to publicly link together after Halifax
because of an abundance of new clues which became available...
When you consider the first two letters preceding
Veras murder in Manchester,, it can be seen that Halifax
was a second,, more determined,, attempt to publicly link
everything together...
There are only two murders where a bite mark is recorded,,
Preston and Halifax,,, linking them together,, just the same as
the content of the first two letters did...
That Halifax is also quite a bit closer to Preston should be also
be noted when you understand the linking things together nature
of the Halifax murder...
Wellie boot prints were found that linked to two earlier deaths,,
An unusual triangular weapon was used for the first time,,
which would tag very positively with the next murder to come..
Saliva found on the third letter revealed a rare blood type which
very positively connected Preston,, and as if that was not enough,,
oil grease and metal particles connected Halifax to traces of oil
and metal found on the envelope the letter arrived in....
The handwriting obviously connected Manchester and Vera Milward,,
to the Yorkshire murders,,
but the content of the letters also x-referenced and connected
together..
More than that the content of the third letter
would x-reference very obviously
with the Geordie tape that was yet to come...
Everything was being tagged together in Halifax,,,
it was a very determined effort by whoever was
sending those letters FROM SUNDERLAND...
Yer the tape mentioned that bit about nearly gettin caught
in Leeds and the same incident was also mentioned it in the third
letter...
Even the content of the letter connects with the next murder...
The tape predicted another one in September,, and in Bradford,,
as was misleadingly promised in the third letter,,, on the night of
September the first,, exactly as promised on the tape,,
Miss Leach was killed,, and the triangular weapon was used again....
It is this overwhelming sense of things being deliberately
tagged and connected together that I am trying to describe...
Even the murder scenes were rearranged and matched with Preston..
Professor Green describes that quite nicely...
Here.
http://tinyurl.com/6rna8x2
Boots and bite marks
Here..
http://tinyurl.com/6m23lu8
Even the infamous fiver does the same thing,,
and I have posted a pre-Smutty account..
Here..
http://tinyurl.com/747k98l
The flow of clues and information left or
volunteered by the killer inexorably taggs
Preston and Manchester to all of the others
and lead cops orf to their doom in Sunderland....
With all the information they had to go on they
really should have got him then...
The voice expert reckoned they should have him in a week
after that tape was made public..
And I agree totally,, the voice was undisguised
and easily recognisable..
But it was not to be,,
inexplicably,, they simply could not find that man...
...................................................................................
Travellers and sailors of yor had a saying
"From Hell, Hull and Halifax, may the good lord deliver us".
Saville Park was the scene of a big old battle between
Royalists and Parliamentarians and previously known
as the ,Bloody Field..
Lots of interesting old History...
But what was really happening on that Moor in 1979,, ??
Well ive never read anything that makes sense out of the
Yorkshire Ripper case...
And looked to figure for myself..
It is easier today now that so much info has become available..
The letters and tape a part of the fabric and weave of the
whole carry on,, understanding them is essential...
The first two letters sought to connect Preston and Manchester
with the Yorkshire series,, and as they were posted from Sunderland
they tend to suggest a link up there...
They predicted the next death would be an old gal
in Manchester and this was carried and a few weeks later this
prediction was fulfilled...
Killing Vera in Manchester confirmed the letters,, the
Preston Link was eventually announced in September of that
year,, but the Jack the Ripper letters from Sunderland
unsurprisingly,, were were kept quiet by the Police...
In a way the author of the letters tagged Preston to
the series,, but his letters from Sunderland despite
having sent one to the Daily Mirror were not mentioned...
Obviously he had wanted them to be known otherwise
he would not have sent one to the Mirror,,, the
original 1888 case was famous because of the Jack Ripper letters...
The cops had rather sneakily included Yvonne Pearson
at the same time as Mrs Harrison in Preston..
So it was far from a complete success from the authors
point of view,, and now the forensics from Preston became
a liability,,, rare blood type,,, and bite mark....
Quite appart from the cops having surveillance
all over the place in the red light areas he could not
now risk being stopped for so much as kerb crawling...
Things changed after Mrs Millward was murdered in Manchester,,,
prostitutes were no longer the target..
As a modern day remake of London Jack,, it might
have been complete at that time,,
if they had acknowledged his letters from Sunderland..
One can understand why the cops was reluctant to announce them
though..
And so...
Things went quiet for a year before Halifax,, i should think
he could still have found an unwary bank clerk,, office worker,,
or student,,in Leeds or Bradford if he wanted...
But it was Halifax that was targeted,, only eleven days after
another warning letter from Sunderland had been sent...
Like it or not Halifax was now lumbered with even more
fascinating crime history for there is no doubt that it
became the pivotal point in the Yorkshire Ripper case....
Everything started to publicly link together after Halifax
because of an abundance of new clues which became available...
When you consider the first two letters preceding
Veras murder in Manchester,, it can be seen that Halifax
was a second,, more determined,, attempt to publicly link
everything together...
There are only two murders where a bite mark is recorded,,
Preston and Halifax,,, linking them together,, just the same as
the content of the first two letters did...
That Halifax is also quite a bit closer to Preston should be also
be noted when you understand the linking things together nature
of the Halifax murder...
Wellie boot prints were found that linked to two earlier deaths,,
An unusual triangular weapon was used for the first time,,
which would tag very positively with the next murder to come..
Saliva found on the third letter revealed a rare blood type which
very positively connected Preston,, and as if that was not enough,,
oil grease and metal particles connected Halifax to traces of oil
and metal found on the envelope the letter arrived in....
The handwriting obviously connected Manchester and Vera Milward,,
to the Yorkshire murders,,
but the content of the letters also x-referenced and connected
together..
More than that the content of the third letter
would x-reference very obviously
with the Geordie tape that was yet to come...
Everything was being tagged together in Halifax,,,
it was a very determined effort by whoever was
sending those letters FROM SUNDERLAND...
Yer the tape mentioned that bit about nearly gettin caught
in Leeds and the same incident was also mentioned it in the third
letter...
Even the content of the letter connects with the next murder...
The tape predicted another one in September,, and in Bradford,,
as was misleadingly promised in the third letter,,, on the night of
September the first,, exactly as promised on the tape,,
Miss Leach was killed,, and the triangular weapon was used again....
It is this overwhelming sense of things being deliberately
tagged and connected together that I am trying to describe...
Even the murder scenes were rearranged and matched with Preston..
Professor Green describes that quite nicely...
Here.
http://tinyurl.com/6rna8x2
Boots and bite marks
Here..
http://tinyurl.com/6m23lu8
Even the infamous fiver does the same thing,,
and I have posted a pre-Smutty account..
Here..
http://tinyurl.com/747k98l
The flow of clues and information left or
volunteered by the killer inexorably taggs
Preston and Manchester to all of the others
and lead cops orf to their doom in Sunderland....
With all the information they had to go on they
really should have got him then...
The voice expert reckoned they should have him in a week
after that tape was made public..
And I agree totally,, the voice was undisguised
and easily recognisable..
But it was not to be,,
inexplicably,, they simply could not find that man...
...................................................................................
Rupert Bear
Feb 20, 2012, 2:02:44 PM2/20/12
to
On Feb 20, 6:27 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 7:21 am, "Rupert Bear."
>
...Lummy,,, what a load of bad gramers an spellin..
> On Feb 19, 7:21 am, "Rupert Bear."
>
>
> But what was really happening on that Moor in 1979,, ??
>
> Well ive never read anything that makes sense out of the
> Yorkshire Ripper case...
> And looked to figure for myself..
> It is easier today now that so much info has become available..
> The letters and tape are a part of the fabric and weave of the
> But what was really happening on that Moor in 1979,, ??
>
> Well ive never read anything that makes sense out of the
> Yorkshire Ripper case...
> And looked to figure for myself..
> It is easier today now that so much info has become available..
> whole carry on,, understanding them is essential...
>
> The first two letters sought to connect Preston and Manchester
> with the Yorkshire series,, and as they were posted from Sunderland
> they tended to suggest a link up there...
>
> The first two letters sought to connect Preston and Manchester
> with the Yorkshire series,, and as they were posted from Sunderland
>
> They predicted the next death would be an old gal
> in Manchester and when this was carried a few weeks
> They predicted the next death would be an old gal
>later, the prediction was fulfilled...
>
> Killing Vera in Manchester confirmed the letters and the
> Preston Link was eventually announced in September of that
> year,,
>But the Jack the Ripper letters from Sunderland,,
> year,,
> unsurprisingly,, were were kept quiet by the Police...
>
> In a way the author of the letters tagged Preston to
> the series,, but his letters from Sunderland despite
> having sent one to the Daily Mirror were not mentioned...
>
> Obviously he had wanted them to be known otherwise
> he would not have sent one to the Mirror,,, the
> original 1888 case great infamy
>
> In a way the author of the letters tagged Preston to
> the series,, but his letters from Sunderland despite
> having sent one to the Daily Mirror were not mentioned...
>
> Obviously he had wanted them to be known otherwise
> he would not have sent one to the Mirror,,, the
>came from the Jack Ripper letters...
>
But
> The cops had rather sneakily included Yvonne Pearson
> at the same time as Mrs Harrison in Preston..
> So it was far from a complete success from the authors
> point of view,, and now the forensics from Preston became
> a liability,,, rare blood type,,, and bite mark....
> Quite apart from the cops having surveillance
> at the same time as Mrs Harrison in Preston..
> So it was far from a complete success from the authors
> point of view,, and now the forensics from Preston became
> a liability,,, rare blood type,,, and bite mark....
> all over the place in the red light areas he could not
> now risk being stopped for so much as kerb crawling...
> Things changed after Mrs Millward was murdered in Manchester,,,
> prostitutes were no longer tageted..
> now risk being stopped for so much as kerb crawling...
> Things changed after Mrs Millward was murdered in Manchester,,,
> As a modern day remake of London Jack,, it might
> have been complete at that time,,
> if they had acknowledged his letters from Sunderland..
> One can understand why the cops was reluctant
>to announce them though..
>
> And so...
> Things went quiet for a year before Halifax,, i should think
> he could still have found an unwary bank clerk,, office worker,,
> or student,,in Leeds or Bradford if he wanted...
> But it was Halifax that was targeted,, only eleven days after
> another warning letter from Sunderland had been sent...
>
> Like it or not Halifax was now lumbered with even more
> fascinating crime history for there is no doubt that it
> became the pivotal point in the Yorkshire Ripper case....
> The Police had to begin extensive public enquiries in the NE
> have been complete at that time,,
> if they had acknowledged his letters from Sunderland..
> One can understand why the cops was reluctant
>to announce them though..
>
> And so...
> Things went quiet for a year before Halifax,, i should think
> he could still have found an unwary bank clerk,, office worker,,
> or student,,in Leeds or Bradford if he wanted...
> But it was Halifax that was targeted,, only eleven days after
> another warning letter from Sunderland had been sent...
>
> Like it or not Halifax was now lumbered with even more
> fascinating crime history for there is no doubt that it
> became the pivotal point in the Yorkshire Ripper case....
> after Halifax
>
> Everything started to publicly link together after Halifax
> because of the abundance of new clues which became available...
> Everything started to publicly link together after Halifax
> When you consider the first two letters preceding
> Veras murder in Manchester,, it can be seen that Halifax
> was a second,, more determined,, attempt to publicly link
> everything together...
>
> There are only two murders where a bite mark is recorded,,
> Preston and Halifax,,, linking them together,, just the same as
> the content of the first two letters did...
> That Halifax is also quite a bit closer to Preston should be also
> be noted and you begin understand the, linking things together,
> Veras murder in Manchester,, it can be seen that Halifax
> was a second,, more determined,, attempt to publicly link
> everything together...
>
> There are only two murders where a bite mark is recorded,,
> Preston and Halifax,,, linking them together,, just the same as
> the content of the first two letters did...
> That Halifax is also quite a bit closer to Preston should be also
> nature of the Halifax murder...
>
> Wellie boot prints were found that linked to two earlier deaths,,
> An unusual triangular weapon was used for the first time,,
> which would tag very positively with the next murder to come..
> Saliva found on the third letter revealed a rare blood type which
> very positively connected Preston,, and as if that was not enough,,
> oil grease and metal particles connected Halifax to traces of oil
> and metal found on the envelope the letter arrived in....
>
> The handwriting obviously connected Manchester and Vera Milward,,
> to the Yorkshire murders,,
> but the content of the letters also x-referenced and connected
> together..
> More than that, the content of the third letter
>
> Wellie boot prints were found that linked to two earlier deaths,,
> An unusual triangular weapon was used for the first time,,
> which would tag very positively with the next murder to come..
> Saliva found on the third letter revealed a rare blood type which
> very positively connected Preston,, and as if that was not enough,,
> oil grease and metal particles connected Halifax to traces of oil
> and metal found on the envelope the letter arrived in....
>
> The handwriting obviously connected Manchester and Vera Milward,,
> to the Yorkshire murders,,
> but the content of the letters also x-referenced and connected
> together..
> would x-reference very obviously
> with the Geordie tape that was still to come...
>
> Everything was being tagged together in Halifax,,,
> it was a very determined effort by whoever was
> sending those letters FROM SUNDERLAND...
>
> Yer,, the tape mentioned that bit about nearly getting caught
> Everything was being tagged together in Halifax,,,
> it was a very determined effort by whoever was
> sending those letters FROM SUNDERLAND...
>
> in Leeds and the same incident was also mentioned it in the third
> letter...
> Even the content of the letter connects with the next murder...
> The tape predicted another one in September,, and in Bradford,,
> letter...
> Even the content of the letter connects with the next murder...
> The tape predicted another one in September,, and in Bradford,,
> on the night of September the first,,
> it happened,, exactly as promised on the tape..
> Miss Leach was killed,, and the triangular weapon was used again
> tagging the two deaths and the tape positively together....
>
> It is this overwhelming sense of things being deliberately
> tagged and connected together that I am trying to describe...
> Even the murder scenes were rearranged and matched with Preston..
> Professor Green describes that quite nicely...
>
> Here.http://tinyurl.com/6rna8x2
> It is this overwhelming sense of things being deliberately
> tagged and connected together that I am trying to describe...
> Even the murder scenes were rearranged and matched with Preston..
> Professor Green describes that quite nicely...
>
>
> Boots and bite marks
> Here..http://tinyurl.com/6m23lu8
>
> Even the infamous fiver does the same thing,,
> and I have posted a pre-Smutty account..
>
> Here..http://tinyurl.com/747k98l
> Even the infamous fiver does the same thing,,
> and I have posted a pre-Smutty account..
>
>
> The flow of clues and information left or
> volunteered by the killer inexorably tags
> The flow of clues and information left or
> Preston and Manchester to all of the others
> and lead the cops "Orf to their DOOM in Sunderland"....
>
> With all the information they had to go on they
> really should have got him then...
> The voice expert reckoned they should have had him in a week..
> With all the information they had to go on they
> really should have got him then...
Rupert Bear
Feb 20, 2012, 6:45:55 PM2/20/12
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On Feb 20, 7:02 pm, Rupert Be
......................................
for eighteen months despite growing criticisim
is a measure of their certainty that the letters and tape
could only have come from the killer...
In this they were correct I am certain.....
Why they assumed the voice could only be
the killers own voice is another problem,,,
but the fact is that they did, or it was presented to us that way.
Even as it became increasingly more obvious that
something was wrong..
Folks started criticised the cops while they kept the full
content of the letters secret...
And no one could make much sense out of what was going on
without knowing what was in those letters,, and they had
added Yvonne Pearson on the Ripper list by then as well...
And that is about the time I became interested in
the Yorkshire Ripper case,, in the late 1980's...
There was a very big difference between the information available
back then and today...
Today one can look back and note that all the information volunteered
or left by the killer had one common denominator....
It all lead the cops away from Manchester and Preston
and Yorkshire,,,,, to the NE,, Sunderland.
Today..
One can ask,, is'int it odd that at the first known Ripper killing
outside of Yorkshire,, a brand spanking new fiver from Yorkshire
was found,, no new fiver's was found on any of the others,,
but just on that first one in Manchester
he left a clue which lead directly back to Yorkshire..
In every way the trail of evidence left at the scene or
even sent to the cops via letters and a tape lead in one direction...
Everything the Ripper left tagged the Preston and Manchester
murders with Yorkshire and lead them onwards to the NE...
The tape recorded message from a man with a genuine
Castletown Sunderland accent who predicted another
murder in September or Oct was the last thing sent to the cps..
All,,
Connected or tagged together in advance by the
triangular weapon and the third letter,,
which mentioned that incident in Leeds and predicted another
murder ...
I mean to say,,, why use such an unusual weapon on
those two girls only,,, if not to connect them together in advance..
Why was a fiver found on that first one outside of Yorkshire...
Why did he bite that girl in Saville Park just the same as in
Preston,, why was saliva and oil found on that one letter out of the
four....
Why did he cross-link the third letter with the tape,,???????????
Keep asking why why why,, ask your own questions,,
cos it is all abit beyond co-incidence that all the
information left or sent by that person lead cops
from Preston and Manchester and all the way up to Sunderland
where they simply could not find that man.....
There is far too much of it for that explanation...
There is a common denominator you know,,
all the information left or given to the police
pointed in one direction...
There was a persistent consistency of direction
in all of the information volunteered or left by the killer,,
with one exception,, the envelope the tape arrived in..
It is the most fascinating/revealing piece of the entire puzzle
and I have good copy of it posted here,,,
http://tinyurl.com/7f5wtnd
Under the circumstances that that cassette envelope was the only one
out of four that had not been handwritten was unusual...
It was/is very peculiar in appearance and contained the tape which
the cops chased after with so much conviction...
Rather unexpectedly the cops could not find that man on the tape,,
and the printing on the tape envelope was very peculiar indeed.
It is quite difficult to establish very much that matches with the
other letters,, it appears to have been disguised,, when
everything else was being linked or tagged together,,
the tape was sent in an envelope that did exactly the opposite,,
and they could not find that man with that voice...
In 1980 I began to understand the Geography of the situation,,
a bit like this... http://tinyurl.com/7gar5tu
And one should ask why that one envelope was so inconsistent
with every other thing that went before...
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY...
Think for yourselves,,, Folks...
..................................................
......................................
> > inexplicably,, they simply could not find that man..
That they doggedly pursued a killer from Sunderland
for eighteen months despite growing criticisim
is a measure of their certainty that the letters and tape
could only have come from the killer...
In this they were correct I am certain.....
Why they assumed the voice could only be
the killers own voice is another problem,,,
but the fact is that they did, or it was presented to us that way.
Even as it became increasingly more obvious that
something was wrong..
Folks started criticised the cops while they kept the full
content of the letters secret...
And no one could make much sense out of what was going on
without knowing what was in those letters,, and they had
added Yvonne Pearson on the Ripper list by then as well...
And that is about the time I became interested in
the Yorkshire Ripper case,, in the late 1980's...
There was a very big difference between the information available
back then and today...
Today one can look back and note that all the information volunteered
or left by the killer had one common denominator....
It all lead the cops away from Manchester and Preston
and Yorkshire,,,,, to the NE,, Sunderland.
Today..
One can ask,, is'int it odd that at the first known Ripper killing
outside of Yorkshire,, a brand spanking new fiver from Yorkshire
was found,, no new fiver's was found on any of the others,,
but just on that first one in Manchester
he left a clue which lead directly back to Yorkshire..
In every way the trail of evidence left at the scene or
even sent to the cops via letters and a tape lead in one direction...
Everything the Ripper left tagged the Preston and Manchester
murders with Yorkshire and lead them onwards to the NE...
The tape recorded message from a man with a genuine
Castletown Sunderland accent who predicted another
murder in September or Oct was the last thing sent to the cps..
All,,
Connected or tagged together in advance by the
triangular weapon and the third letter,,
which mentioned that incident in Leeds and predicted another
murder ...
I mean to say,,, why use such an unusual weapon on
those two girls only,,, if not to connect them together in advance..
Why was a fiver found on that first one outside of Yorkshire...
Why did he bite that girl in Saville Park just the same as in
Preston,, why was saliva and oil found on that one letter out of the
four....
Why did he cross-link the third letter with the tape,,???????????
Keep asking why why why,, ask your own questions,,
cos it is all abit beyond co-incidence that all the
information left or sent by that person lead cops
from Preston and Manchester and all the way up to Sunderland
where they simply could not find that man.....
There is far too much of it for that explanation...
There is a common denominator you know,,
all the information left or given to the police
pointed in one direction...
There was a persistent consistency of direction
in all of the information volunteered or left by the killer,,
with one exception,, the envelope the tape arrived in..
It is the most fascinating/revealing piece of the entire puzzle
and I have good copy of it posted here,,,
http://tinyurl.com/7f5wtnd
Under the circumstances that that cassette envelope was the only one
out of four that had not been handwritten was unusual...
It was/is very peculiar in appearance and contained the tape which
the cops chased after with so much conviction...
Rather unexpectedly the cops could not find that man on the tape,,
and the printing on the tape envelope was very peculiar indeed.
It is quite difficult to establish very much that matches with the
other letters,, it appears to have been disguised,, when
everything else was being linked or tagged together,,
the tape was sent in an envelope that did exactly the opposite,,
and they could not find that man with that voice...
In 1980 I began to understand the Geography of the situation,,
a bit like this... http://tinyurl.com/7gar5tu
And one should ask why that one envelope was so inconsistent
with every other thing that went before...
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY...
Think for yourselves,,, Folks...
..................................................
Rupert Bear
Feb 20, 2012, 7:01:16 PM2/20/12
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>
> And one should ask why that one envelope was so inconsistent
> with every other thing that went before...
>
> WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY...
>
> Think for yourselves,,, Folks...
>
> ..................................................
These two vids are worth looking at again while you are
> And one should ask why that one envelope was so inconsistent
> with every other thing that went before...
>
> WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY...
>
> Think for yourselves,,, Folks...
>
> ..................................................
at it...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=HumbleInterview.mp4
What a joke,,!
And listen to this poor soul...
He always did sound abit scared confused and lonely to me...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/?action=view¤t=Produce.mp4
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Rupert Bear
Feb 22, 2012, 2:17:11 AM2/22/12
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On Feb 21, 12:01 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept..
More Clarification....
>> intentionally left or given to the police
> > from all of the information volunteered or left by the killer,,
> > with one peculiarity,, the envelope the tape arrived in..
I was able to acquire a good copy of the cassette envelope in 2009
and I soon discovered that there was something very peculiar about
it..
The first two words were easily identifiable with the other
correspondence
ASST CHIEF,,
but after that point it changed,,
everything else printed on the envelope was
clumsy and alien in appearance,,
none of it matches properly with the other letters..
The printing had been disguised from that point onwards
and it strikes an incongruous cord with the tagging together
and boasting nature of everything else...
A small "Jack the Ripper" signature had been placed on the inside
of the envelope,,, so there was still a determination to
connect the cassette positively with the other letters..
But he whole effect is that the author/s had
suddenly become somewhat bashful
and deliberately reduced the amount of identifiable
printing and writing to the absolute minimum...
While at the same time presenting cops
with an easily identifiable voice to chase after...
As though they wished to focus attention
on the voice alone...
And,, given that the failed search for that voice in the NE
was where Oldfield's investigation floundered....
That envelope the tape arrived in is most curious indeed..
It really is worth taking some time out to consider what
was going on when that cassette envelope was addressed...
> > It is the most fascinating/revealing piece of the entire puzzle
> > and I have good copy of it posted here,,,
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/7f5wtnd
>
> > Under the circumstances that that cassette envelope was the only one
> > out of four that had not been handwritten was unusual...
More Clarification....
> > There is a common denominator you know,,
> > all of the information that could be
>> intentionally left or given to the police
> > pointed in one direction...
>
> > There was a persistent consistency of direction
>> and a sense of deliberate linking things together
>
> > There was a persistent consistency of direction
> > from all of the information volunteered or left by the killer,,
> > with one peculiarity,, the envelope the tape arrived in..
I was able to acquire a good copy of the cassette envelope in 2009
and I soon discovered that there was something very peculiar about
it..
The first two words were easily identifiable with the other
correspondence
ASST CHIEF,,
but after that point it changed,,
everything else printed on the envelope was
clumsy and alien in appearance,,
none of it matches properly with the other letters..
The printing had been disguised from that point onwards
and it strikes an incongruous cord with the tagging together
and boasting nature of everything else...
A small "Jack the Ripper" signature had been placed on the inside
of the envelope,,, so there was still a determination to
connect the cassette positively with the other letters..
But he whole effect is that the author/s had
suddenly become somewhat bashful
and deliberately reduced the amount of identifiable
printing and writing to the absolute minimum...
While at the same time presenting cops
with an easily identifiable voice to chase after...
As though they wished to focus attention
on the voice alone...
And,, given that the failed search for that voice in the NE
was where Oldfield's investigation floundered....
That envelope the tape arrived in is most curious indeed..
It really is worth taking some time out to consider what
was going on when that cassette envelope was addressed...
> > It is the most fascinating/revealing piece of the entire puzzle
> > and I have good copy of it posted here,,,
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/7f5wtnd
>
> > Under the circumstances that that cassette envelope was the only one
> > out of four that had not been handwritten was unusual...
> > In 1980 I began to understand the Geography of the situation,,
>
> > a bit like this...http://tinyurl.com/7gar5tu
>
> One should ask why that one envelope was so inconsistent
>
> > a bit like this...http://tinyurl.com/7gar5tu
>
> > with every other thing that went before...
>
> > WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY...
>
> > Think for yourselves,,, Folks...
..........................................................................
>
> > WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY...
>
> > Think for yourselves,,, Folks...
Rupert Bear
Feb 24, 2012, 6:43:37 AM2/24/12
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On Feb 22, 7:17 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept..
Well I went to quite some trouble making this demo up..
I think folks could at least have a wee look at it
and consider some of the above......
http://tinyurl.com/7wrt55j
There was a pattern of increasing caution and
a lower frequency of victims as the Police hunt
escalated...
Letters mimicking the 1888 Jack Ripper letters were sent
but not publicly acknowledged...
Then the Halifax murder happened ten days after another
warning had been issued to Oldfield..
And when they finally started looking in the NE in earnest
tha Geordie tape was sent,,,
The tape promised another death,,
and when miss Leach was killed everyone new
he had kept the promise...
Three times the predictions of death
had come true..
The last prediction came from a NE voice
on a tape saying he would do another one in September or sooner...
It was connected to the Halifax death by the
by the three-sided weapon,, the prediction
did not need to be all that accurate to be known as true by the cops..
And the tape had a farewell message/goad to Oldfield from
Andrew Gold....
Thank You For being a friend...
It was a farewell,,...
And then the series of murders stopped for fourteen months..
The longest lull in the series to date....
There were a few stops stops and starts during
the Yorkshire ripper case,,
but it is important to understand that the deaths
which occurred during the period when the letters and tape
were sent all relate to deaths which did in fact happen..
There is a pattern which can easily be seen...
Letters arrive saying Im gonna do an old one next,,
and then weeks later it comes true...
But he did not get the response he wanted and tries again
in Halifax and makes the links even more obvious...
And then,, when finally they did start taking his letters seriously
and made them public knowledge,,as they would have to do...
That was when tape with the Geordie voice arrived...
WITH ANOTHER PREDICTION OF DEATH..
They knew he meant what he said,,,
another girl would die soon,,
and she did...
.....................................................
Well I went to quite some trouble making this demo up..
I think folks could at least have a wee look at it
and consider some of the above......
http://tinyurl.com/7wrt55j
There was a pattern of increasing caution and
a lower frequency of victims as the Police hunt
escalated...
Letters mimicking the 1888 Jack Ripper letters were sent
but not publicly acknowledged...
Then the Halifax murder happened ten days after another
warning had been issued to Oldfield..
And when they finally started looking in the NE in earnest
tha Geordie tape was sent,,,
The tape promised another death,,
and when miss Leach was killed everyone new
he had kept the promise...
Three times the predictions of death
had come true..
The last prediction came from a NE voice
on a tape saying he would do another one in September or sooner...
It was connected to the Halifax death by the
by the three-sided weapon,, the prediction
did not need to be all that accurate to be known as true by the cops..
And the tape had a farewell message/goad to Oldfield from
Andrew Gold....
Thank You For being a friend...
It was a farewell,,...
And then the series of murders stopped for fourteen months..
The longest lull in the series to date....
There were a few stops stops and starts during
the Yorkshire ripper case,,
but it is important to understand that the deaths
which occurred during the period when the letters and tape
were sent all relate to deaths which did in fact happen..
There is a pattern which can easily be seen...
Letters arrive saying Im gonna do an old one next,,
and then weeks later it comes true...
But he did not get the response he wanted and tries again
in Halifax and makes the links even more obvious...
And then,, when finally they did start taking his letters seriously
and made them public knowledge,,as they would have to do...
That was when tape with the Geordie voice arrived...
WITH ANOTHER PREDICTION OF DEATH..
They knew he meant what he said,,,
another girl would die soon,,
and she did...
.....................................................
Rupert Bear
Feb 29, 2012, 3:04:00 AM2/29/12
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On Feb 20, 11:45 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Feb 20, 7:02 pm, Rupert Be
>
> ......................................
>
> > > inexplicably,, they simply could not find that man..
>
> That they doggedly pursued a killer from Sunderland
> for eighteen months despite growing criticism
> On Feb 20, 7:02 pm, Rupert Be
>
> ......................................
>
> > > inexplicably,, they simply could not find that man..
>
> That they doggedly pursued a killer from Sunderland
> is a measure of their certainty that the letters and tape
> could only have come from the killer...
> In this they were correct I am certain.....
>
> Why they assumed the voice could only be
> the killers own voice is another problem,,,
> but the fact is that they did, or it was presented to us that way.
> Even as it became increasingly more obvious that
> something was wrong..
>
> Folks started criticised the cops while they kept the full
> content of the letters secret...
>
> And no one could make much sense out of what was going on
> without knowing what was in those letters,, and they had
> added Yvonne Pearson on the Ripper list by then as well...
........................................................
> could only have come from the killer...
> In this they were correct I am certain.....
>
> Why they assumed the voice could only be
> the killers own voice is another problem,,,
> but the fact is that they did, or it was presented to us that way.
> Even as it became increasingly more obvious that
> something was wrong..
>
> Folks started criticised the cops while they kept the full
> content of the letters secret...
>
> And no one could make much sense out of what was going on
> without knowing what was in those letters,, and they had
> added Yvonne Pearson on the Ripper list by then as well...
>
> And that is about the time I became interested in
> the Yorkshire Ripper case,, in the late 1980's...
.................................................................
> And that is about the time I became interested in
> the Yorkshire Ripper case,, in the late 1980's...
>
> And one should ask why that one envelope was so inconsistent
> with every other thing that went before...
>
> WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY...
>
> Think for yourselves,,, Folks...
>
> ..................................................
OOPs once again,, sorry...
> And one should ask why that one envelope was so inconsistent
> with every other thing that went before...
>
> WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY...
>
> Think for yourselves,,, Folks...
>
> ..................................................
I became interested in the Yorkshire ripper case
in late 1980,,, not the late 80's...
A minor thing I know...
....................
Rupert Bear
Mar 2, 2012, 9:49:39 AM3/2/12
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> > The circumstances leading up to the Halifax murder
> > are of particular interest to anyone who would wish
> > to understand the Yorkshire Ripper case...
>
> > Crime history should also be considered
> > because it most certainly was by the author/s
> > of the letters and tape...
Influences of the day..
> > are of particular interest to anyone who would wish
> > to understand the Yorkshire Ripper case...
>
> > Crime history should also be considered
> > because it most certainly was by the author/s
> > of the letters and tape...
Ive just found another one who was on the go during those years...
Trevor Hardy,,, "The Beast of Manchester" 75-77..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/More%20Old%20News/?action=view¤t=TrevorHardy.jpg
>
On the telly..
http://www.veoh.com/find/?query=barlow+and+watts
Boris Karlof had some good uns out and the
ol hammer house of horror was fairly pumping them out too...
> > A young couple with links to Manchester and Preston
> > who became jointly involved in planning and committing
> > an unsolved remake of the original 1888 London Jack story
> > are the perfect solution for Oldfield's case...
>
Jack Ripper remake...
And if you've been thinking about Dr Greens remarks
an looked through some of the old press of the day..
Well I think that is exactly what it was,, except that the
modern day counterpart with a car and M Ways at his disposal
made rite small meat out of the ol 1888 coach an horses clatter-
about...
The London Jack story was famous for sending letters
and not getting caught..... tooooooooooo....
A very important consideration i would think...
Kinda tallys in wi the strong sense of leading the cops
away,, that the process of prediction and murder imparts,,
From Sunderland,,,, where??,,,
SUNDERLAND YA NOODLE,,!
ittsa hunner miles up the road,, dont you know...
"YOU ARE NO NEARE CATCHING ME NOW
THAN FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN I STARTED"
"Thank you for being a friend"
By By and Tarra George me old Pal....
Books were written about him
and it stopped for fourteen months....
..............................................
Rupert Bear
Mar 7, 2012, 11:44:03 PM3/7/12
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On Mar 2, 2:49 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpe
>
> On the telly..http://www.veoh.com/find/?query=barlow+and+watts
considering influences of the day,, historical and
possible,, modern connections wi Halifax...
Thanks for all the non help folks,,
Yea there was even a movie going about the
Boston strangler at the time..
And Dr Green's talks was interesting too...
Establishing,,?
The point in time where it became
an obvious re-enactment of the 1888
Jack Ripper in london is still not
clear to me yet...
But i do see that it was much earlier than I first thought..
Possibly even from the beginning because the first two attacks were
interrupted as far as i can tell...
And then Wilma and then that odd one in Preston,,,
followed by another one in Leeds where the
press first called him Ripper...
The deliberate re-enactment can be seen after he returned
a year later in Feb 77..
But did he start out with ideas of this sort from the beginning..
I wonder because ther are indications that it may have been so...
The score marks on Mrs Smelt,,,
but as the story goes,,
he was interupted..
Perhaps she would have ended up like Wilma if he had not
been interrupted...
I get the feeling that even in the first few months of
the case the killer may have been toying with ideas
or fantasies of,, Jack the Ripper,,
And then they called him Ripper in the press...
................................................................
> Influences of the day..
> Ive just found another one who was on the go during those years...
> Trevor Hardy,,, "The Beast of Manchester" 75-77..
>
> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/More%20Old%...
> Ive just found another one who was on the go during those years...
> Trevor Hardy,,, "The Beast of Manchester" 75-77..
>
>
> On the telly..http://www.veoh.com/find/?query=barlow+and+watts
>
> Boris Karlof had some good uns out and the
> ol hammer house of horror was fairly pumping them out too...
>
> > > A young couple with links to Manchester and Preston
> > > who became jointly involved in planning and committing
> > > an unsolved remake of the original 1888 London Jack story
> > > are the perfect solution for Oldfield's case...
>
> Can't say the times were not ripe for an 1888
> Jack Ripper remake...
>
> And if you've been thinking about Dr Greens remarks
> an looked through some of the old press of the day..
>
> Well I think that is exactly what it was,, except that the
> modern day counterpart with a car and M Ways at his disposal
> made rite small meat out of the ol 1888 coach an horses clatter-
> about...
>
This thread has been an intersting exploration for me,,
> Boris Karlof had some good uns out and the
> ol hammer house of horror was fairly pumping them out too...
>
> > > A young couple with links to Manchester and Preston
> > > who became jointly involved in planning and committing
> > > an unsolved remake of the original 1888 London Jack story
> > > are the perfect solution for Oldfield's case...
>
> Can't say the times were not ripe for an 1888
> Jack Ripper remake...
>
> And if you've been thinking about Dr Greens remarks
> an looked through some of the old press of the day..
>
> Well I think that is exactly what it was,, except that the
> modern day counterpart with a car and M Ways at his disposal
> made rite small meat out of the ol 1888 coach an horses clatter-
> about...
>
considering influences of the day,, historical and
possible,, modern connections wi Halifax...
Thanks for all the non help folks,,
Yea there was even a movie going about the
Boston strangler at the time..
And Dr Green's talks was interesting too...
Establishing,,?
The point in time where it became
an obvious re-enactment of the 1888
Jack Ripper in london is still not
clear to me yet...
But i do see that it was much earlier than I first thought..
Possibly even from the beginning because the first two attacks were
interrupted as far as i can tell...
And then Wilma and then that odd one in Preston,,,
followed by another one in Leeds where the
press first called him Ripper...
The deliberate re-enactment can be seen after he returned
a year later in Feb 77..
But did he start out with ideas of this sort from the beginning..
I wonder because ther are indications that it may have been so...
The score marks on Mrs Smelt,,,
but as the story goes,,
he was interupted..
Perhaps she would have ended up like Wilma if he had not
been interrupted...
I get the feeling that even in the first few months of
the case the killer may have been toying with ideas
or fantasies of,, Jack the Ripper,,
And then they called him Ripper in the press...
................................................................
Rupert Bear
Mar 8, 2012, 12:11:39 AM3/8/12
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young mans fantasy...
Nevertheless that was what came to pass,,
a modern day JACK RIPPER regin of terror was launched
against good time girls and prostitutes of
Northern England in the late 70's...
Complete with letters,, which at first,, were not made
known by the Police...
One can imagine that the lack of public acknowledgment
of those Jack Ripper letters from Sunderland
might have been less than saticfactory..
More easily if one considers that the origin
of the killer/s was not from Sunderland at all...
What happened next was Halifax
which left the cops with no option but
to commence investigations in Sunderland...
Then the tape arrived and Barbara was killed in Huddersfield
which convinced everyone the Killer was that Geordie on the tape...
And that was when it ended in 1979...
A perfect unsolved re-make of
the 1888 jobby..
...................................
...............................................................
Rupert Bear
Mar 12, 2012, 4:19:43 PM3/12/12
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because I have completely lost faith in authorities ...
And media, (press),, ( i contacted several papers with no result)
I'm not sure they even understand what i try to explain,,
they do not answer.....
I talk of a couple whom I believe were responsible for the
Yorkshire Ripper series of murders...
The boy was my cousin and i grew up with him
in an intermittent sort of way...
His wife from the Preston area and he came from South of
Manchester...
They married and had a home down there...
He died in 96,,, something popped in his head
and he died suddenly...
At that time i felt a sigh of relief....
That my cousin Pete was dead...
Can you Imagine...
I went down there and stayed with them for a couple of weeks in
77,,, an then the thing that happened to arouse
my suspicions was when he/they
came to stay with me in Scotland,,in 1980...
Just things about him and things he said,,
his character,, etc etc,..My knowledge of the boy...
Things i learned about him,, his family...
Something about him aroused my suspicions
while he stayed with me in 1980....
Things happened that left me with the absolute belief
that my cousin was the Ripper they was after in Yorkshire..
But it did not matter to any cops what i said,,
what I believed,,, they had their own ideas...
And mine did not fit....
I was dismissed as a nonce who bought a book..
In late 1980 the Ripper case was nodding off to sleep,,
they thought it was over,, you was all hoping it was over....
Fourteen months went by....
Well that is when my story started...
Late Summer 1980....
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=SilenceDesends.jpg
..........................................................................
Rupert Bear
Mar 12, 2012, 4:45:49 PM3/12/12
to
>
> ..........................................................................
So lets try an put a workable perspective on events
occurring in the Yorkshire Ripper Case from a couple scenario,,
And then consider again (in context),, my circumstances,,
my story,, in 1980...
That no one would consider or take seriously..
I do have to fill in the gaps of information with guesswork,,
I cannot know for certain how it actually was..
But I say that it could have been like this...
A story that floes through the Yorkshire Ripper
Miasma without distorting
any of the essential facts of the case,,
The only one that does and all the better because it is
closely based on true facts and events,, which,
I HAPPEN TO know about my cousin
AND HIS WIFE..??
...........................................................
Rupert Bear
Mar 17, 2012, 12:32:39 AM3/17/12
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My cousin Pete made remarks that aroused my suspicions
in 1980...
I bought a book that i had seen in a shop...
My first reading of that book seemed to justify my suspicions
in every way..
So i went down to the phone box to listen to the
Yorkshire Ripper's voice,,,
And it just was not him,,
It could not have been my cousin
on that tape,,
And so i dismissed my suspicions there and then,,
The public knowledge of the man wanted said
absolutely that the killer was that Geordie on the tape..
So i went home an put that book on my bookshelf in 1980
IN SCOTLAND..
..............
Old Jinglebollocks
Mar 26, 2012, 1:18:32 PM3/26/12
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It's all been said now.
You have done a brilliant job.
But nobody gives a shite about anything in this bloody country.
'The only outcome will be that your work and Mr Noel O'Gara's work
will be shamelessly plaigarised and exploited by writers and TV
producers after Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are dead and the
threat of a libel case recedes.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.legal/browse_thread/thread/b4a37a2ff24ccbb2
You have done a brilliant job.
But nobody gives a shite about anything in this bloody country.
'The only outcome will be that your work and Mr Noel O'Gara's work
will be shamelessly plaigarised and exploited by writers and TV
producers after Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are dead and the
threat of a libel case recedes.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.legal/browse_thread/thread/b4a37a2ff24ccbb2
Rupert Bear
Mar 30, 2012, 12:36:14 AM3/30/12
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On Mar 12, 9:45 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
there and then,,
>
> The information available about the man they wanted said
end of 1979...
That song "thanks for being a friend" seemed like a farewell and
the series of murders did stop there for the longest gap of
them all.. Fourteen months went by and nothing happened...
Well that time coincides with events in the lives
of cousin Pete and his wife rather nicely...
She fell pregnant about that time when the tape
was sent and that last murder in Bradford...
And they started to arrange a move up here,,,
to buy a house up here and raise a family,,
Coincides nicely with the end of the nightmare in Yorkshire...
They found a place in the village just around the corner from my
mothers home and Pete came to stay with me
for a few weeks till they could move into their new home..
She stayed down their near Preston with her folks and the new baby..
Pete was nipping down the road most weekends to Preston,,
he had job up here,, with refrigerated lorries...
And we got on quite well,, but it was the first he was away on his own
without her around,, and I was just getting to know him better...
He made a really odd comment about how a person could go off
and kill a person in completely at random and never get caught...
I did not know how to respond to such an odd topic out of the blue
like that..
It was just a bit peculiar..
I remembered the boy as being a particularlly headstrong
and stubborn boy when he was younger...
I had seen a book in John Mengies about the
Yorkshire ripper and casually read the back cover..
You folks down there might not believe it,,
but I had not heard of him before...
I felt there was a tough controlled
aspect to his character,
He would never drink more than one glass
of Souther Comfort,, was all he would have..
We got on Ok but i found myself vaguely curious
about him and his childhood with all those older sisters...
I had heard of many troubles with his sisters,,
but nothing at all about him since he bought his house
and married the girl from Preston
they met on the train when he was only fourteen...
She was seventeen at the time and he told her he was older
and working while in fact,, he was still at school..
They met in 1972,, when he came up here on the train
visiting for the first time alone...
I had known the boy and I was curious about the guy
he had grown into was all...
And then one day he came out with this story
about being followed by a group of skinheads in Leeds..
He said he walked off down the road,, under a bridge
and turned to roll himself underneath a car while the
gang walked passed...
It was quite a graphic description I saw him relive
as he told his story...
But never explained what he was doing
wandering around Leeds in the first place..
He was not a football fan and lived quite
a long way from Leeds...
I could see he was right pleased with himself
and as i wondered what he was doing in Leeds,,
it occurred rather jokingly to myself,,
Maybe he was the Ripper...
And well you know what they say ,,
once a seed has been sown....
I dismissed the idea for foolishness,,,
but the thought kept coming back
for some reason...
Based mostly on my memories of him
and the character of the person he had grown into...
The feeling persisted and grew stronger,,
and in the end I had to go and buy that book I
saw in the shop to satisfy my curiosity...
And that was how it started for me in late summer 79...
My story picks up from where the Ripper saga had ended
that day in Bradford...
Things that happened after that all snick rather too
nicely into place with the return of the nightmare down there...
And answer puzzles like why did he come back,,
and why did the killings stop after Sutty was convicted...
In fact when you can see the two stories together,,
they form a perfect whole that resolves
the Ripper saga like no other...
Based on a true life story of a couple with
connections to Preston and Manchester,,,
and were know to make many journeys up here
to Scotland via the NE and back...
The Geography and range of their movements
and family connections are important to understand,,
It was one of the things I saw first because
I knew they had been traveling over that way
about the time the letters were posted from Sunderland...
Everything I know about them fits very well,,
and resolves the Yorkshire puzzle like no other...
................................................................
uk> wrote:
> > closely based on true facts and events,, which,
> > I HAPPEN TO know about my cousin
>
> > AND HIS WIFE..??
>
> > ...........................................................
>
> > closely based on true facts and events,, which,
> > I HAPPEN TO know about my cousin
>
> > AND HIS WIFE..??
>
> > ...........................................................
>
> I am talking about something that really did happen...
>
> My cousin Pete made remarks that aroused my suspicions
> in 1980...
>
That was why,,,
>
> My cousin Pete made remarks that aroused my suspicions
> in 1980...
>
> I bought a book that i had seen in a shop...
>
> My first reading of that book seemed to justify my suspicions
> in every way..
>
> So i went down to the phone box to listen to the
> Yorkshire Ripper's voice,,,
>
> And it just was not him,,
> It could not have been my cousin
> on that tape,,
>
> I dismissed my suspicions for foolishness
>
> My first reading of that book seemed to justify my suspicions
> in every way..
>
> So i went down to the phone box to listen to the
> Yorkshire Ripper's voice,,,
>
> And it just was not him,,
> It could not have been my cousin
> on that tape,,
>
there and then,,
>
> The information available about the man they wanted said
> absolutely that the killer was that Geordie on the tape..
>
> So i went home an put that book on my bookshelf in 1980
>
> IN SCOTLAND..
>
> ..............
The Yorkshire story seemed to have finished near the
>
> So i went home an put that book on my bookshelf in 1980
>
> IN SCOTLAND..
>
> ..............
end of 1979...
That song "thanks for being a friend" seemed like a farewell and
the series of murders did stop there for the longest gap of
them all.. Fourteen months went by and nothing happened...
Well that time coincides with events in the lives
of cousin Pete and his wife rather nicely...
She fell pregnant about that time when the tape
was sent and that last murder in Bradford...
And they started to arrange a move up here,,,
to buy a house up here and raise a family,,
Coincides nicely with the end of the nightmare in Yorkshire...
They found a place in the village just around the corner from my
mothers home and Pete came to stay with me
for a few weeks till they could move into their new home..
She stayed down their near Preston with her folks and the new baby..
Pete was nipping down the road most weekends to Preston,,
he had job up here,, with refrigerated lorries...
And we got on quite well,, but it was the first he was away on his own
without her around,, and I was just getting to know him better...
He made a really odd comment about how a person could go off
and kill a person in completely at random and never get caught...
I did not know how to respond to such an odd topic out of the blue
like that..
It was just a bit peculiar..
I remembered the boy as being a particularlly headstrong
and stubborn boy when he was younger...
I had seen a book in John Mengies about the
Yorkshire ripper and casually read the back cover..
You folks down there might not believe it,,
but I had not heard of him before...
I felt there was a tough controlled
aspect to his character,
He would never drink more than one glass
of Souther Comfort,, was all he would have..
We got on Ok but i found myself vaguely curious
about him and his childhood with all those older sisters...
I had heard of many troubles with his sisters,,
but nothing at all about him since he bought his house
and married the girl from Preston
they met on the train when he was only fourteen...
She was seventeen at the time and he told her he was older
and working while in fact,, he was still at school..
They met in 1972,, when he came up here on the train
visiting for the first time alone...
I had known the boy and I was curious about the guy
he had grown into was all...
And then one day he came out with this story
about being followed by a group of skinheads in Leeds..
He said he walked off down the road,, under a bridge
and turned to roll himself underneath a car while the
gang walked passed...
It was quite a graphic description I saw him relive
as he told his story...
But never explained what he was doing
wandering around Leeds in the first place..
He was not a football fan and lived quite
a long way from Leeds...
I could see he was right pleased with himself
and as i wondered what he was doing in Leeds,,
it occurred rather jokingly to myself,,
Maybe he was the Ripper...
And well you know what they say ,,
once a seed has been sown....
I dismissed the idea for foolishness,,,
but the thought kept coming back
for some reason...
Based mostly on my memories of him
and the character of the person he had grown into...
The feeling persisted and grew stronger,,
and in the end I had to go and buy that book I
saw in the shop to satisfy my curiosity...
And that was how it started for me in late summer 79...
My story picks up from where the Ripper saga had ended
that day in Bradford...
Things that happened after that all snick rather too
nicely into place with the return of the nightmare down there...
And answer puzzles like why did he come back,,
and why did the killings stop after Sutty was convicted...
In fact when you can see the two stories together,,
they form a perfect whole that resolves
the Ripper saga like no other...
Based on a true life story of a couple with
connections to Preston and Manchester,,,
and were know to make many journeys up here
to Scotland via the NE and back...
The Geography and range of their movements
and family connections are important to understand,,
It was one of the things I saw first because
I knew they had been traveling over that way
about the time the letters were posted from Sunderland...
Everything I know about them fits very well,,
and resolves the Yorkshire puzzle like no other...
................................................................
Rupert Bear
Mar 30, 2012, 12:48:51 AM3/30/12
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> My story picks up from where the Ripper saga had ended
> that day in Bradford...
>
> Things that happened after that all snick rather too
> nicely into place with the return of the nightmare down there...
>
> And answer puzzles like why did he come back,,
> and why did the killings stop after Sutty was convicted...
>
> In fact when you can see the two stories together,,
> they form a perfect whole that resolves
> the Ripper saga like no other...
>
> Based on a true life story of a couple with
> connections to Preston and Manchester,,,
> and were know to make many journeys up here
> to Scotland via the NE and back...
>
> The Geography and range of their movements
> and family connections are important to understand,,
> It was one of the things I saw first because
> I knew they had been traveling over that way
> about the time the letters were posted from Sunderland...
>
> Everything I know about them fits very well,,
> and resolves the Yorkshire puzzle like no other...
>
> ................................................................
Correction..
> that day in Bradford...
>
> Things that happened after that all snick rather too
> nicely into place with the return of the nightmare down there...
>
> And answer puzzles like why did he come back,,
> and why did the killings stop after Sutty was convicted...
>
> In fact when you can see the two stories together,,
> they form a perfect whole that resolves
> the Ripper saga like no other...
>
> Based on a true life story of a couple with
> connections to Preston and Manchester,,,
> and were know to make many journeys up here
> to Scotland via the NE and back...
>
> The Geography and range of their movements
> and family connections are important to understand,,
> It was one of the things I saw first because
> I knew they had been traveling over that way
> about the time the letters were posted from Sunderland...
>
> Everything I know about them fits very well,,
> and resolves the Yorkshire puzzle like no other...
>
> ................................................................
In late Summer 1980,,,
damm,, i put the wrong date down again...
But that was how it started for me in late summer 1980
> My story picks up from where the Ripper saga had ended
> that day in Bradford...
The ripper story finished down there and came back
> that day in Bradford...
to life when they learned about my suspicions..
The time links or dates coincide perfectly,,,
if I can manage to print them down properly...
And when you consider it had been fourteen months
of a gap,, it is quite remarkable that
I felt the situation was so urgent
I travelled all the way to to Leeds Milngarth
from Scotland
just five days before it all kicked of again...
...............................
Rupert Bear
Apr 26, 2012, 7:06:03 AM4/26/12
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There is an update on this story,,,
I have discovered that I was mistaken about who was
doing the writing and signing the cards....
It was acctually Pete's wife,,,
she was clever with her handwriting styles..
She wrote the letters,,,
Not joking....
It can be seen,,,
unlike cousin Pete,,
I have plenty of her handwriting to prove it...
See Here...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/Ruperts%20Box/
...............................................................
nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Jul 22, 2012, 8:38:42 PM7/22/12
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On Friday, March 2, 2012 2:49:39 PM UTC, Rupert
> Influences of the day....?????
This was in the news only six weeks before the
Ripper letters (from Sunderland) started....
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/More%20Old%20News/?action=view¤t=MyraandI.jpg
Yeah,, when it started again in 77,,
it was different,,,More,,
Planned co-ordinated and controlled...
She woullda been shittin bricks,,
wi that boasty loud-mouth boy to contend with..
Do not underestimate the ladys part in
this...
I remember sittin wi them in 1980,,,
And getting subtly quizzed by her,,
while he sat quietly beside me...
One thing I can say is that,,
Im glad the cops kept quiet
about the gap between his teeth..
I think that he might even of picked up on that
if he saw me trying to spot his teeth...
She was the undetectable hidden asset
that enabled him to succeed...
I'll bet she wouldda never of let him touch
thame letters,, that was her baby..
Wot buggered Oldies head...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SyB5D7GRCI&feature=related
..................
> Influences of the day....?????
This was in the news only six weeks before the
Ripper letters (from Sunderland) started....
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/More%20Old%20News/?action=view¤t=MyraandI.jpg
Yeah,, when it started again in 77,,
it was different,,,More,,
Planned co-ordinated and controlled...
She woullda been shittin bricks,,
wi that boasty loud-mouth boy to contend with..
Do not underestimate the ladys part in
this...
I remember sittin wi them in 1980,,,
And getting subtly quizzed by her,,
while he sat quietly beside me...
One thing I can say is that,,
Im glad the cops kept quiet
about the gap between his teeth..
I think that he might even of picked up on that
if he saw me trying to spot his teeth...
She was the undetectable hidden asset
that enabled him to succeed...
I'll bet she wouldda never of let him touch
thame letters,, that was her baby..
Wot buggered Oldies head...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SyB5D7GRCI&feature=related
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nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Jul 22, 2012, 9:55:17 PM7/22/12
to
On Monday, July 23, 2012 1:38:42 AM UTC+1, (unknown) wrote:
> On Friday, March 2, 2012 2:49:39 PM UTC, Rupert
>
>
> > Influences of the day....?????
> On Friday, March 2, 2012 2:49:39 PM UTC, Rupert
>
>
>
> This was in the news only six weeks before the
> Ripper letters (from Sunderland) started....
>
> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/More%20Old%20News/?action=view&current=MyraandI.jpg
> This was in the news only six weeks before the
> Ripper letters (from Sunderland) started....
>
>
> Yeah,, when it started again in 77,,
> it was different,,,More,,
> Planned co-ordinated and controlled...
>
> She woullda been shittin bricks,,
> wi that boasty loud-mouth boy to contend with..
>
> Do not underestimate the ladys part in
> this...
>
> I remember sittin wi them in 1980,,,
> And getting subtly quizzed by her,,
> while he sat quietly beside me...
>
> One thing I can say is that,,
> Im glad the cops kept quiet
> about the gap between his teeth..
>
> I think that he might even of picked up on that
> if he saw me trying to spot his teeth...
>
> She was the undetectable hidden asset
> that enabled him to succeed...
>
> I'll bet she wouldda never of let him touch
> Yeah,, when it started again in 77,,
> it was different,,,More,,
> Planned co-ordinated and controlled...
>
> She woullda been shittin bricks,,
> wi that boasty loud-mouth boy to contend with..
>
> Do not underestimate the ladys part in
> this...
>
> I remember sittin wi them in 1980,,,
> And getting subtly quizzed by her,,
> while he sat quietly beside me...
>
> One thing I can say is that,,
> Im glad the cops kept quiet
> about the gap between his teeth..
>
> I think that he might even of picked up on that
> if he saw me trying to spot his teeth...
>
> She was the undetectable hidden asset
> that enabled him to succeed...
>
> thame letters,, that was her baby..
>
> Wot buggered Oldies head...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SyB5D7GRCI&feature=related
>
> Wot buggered Oldies head...
>
>
> ..................
Err,, just in case
you is behind with developments,,
The writer of those letters has been identified...
She wrote the letters and I have posted many samples here...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/Ruperts%20Box/
Iffen you can see and think for yourself..
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nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Jul 23, 2012, 6:33:50 PM7/23/12
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On Friday, March 30, 2012 5:36:14 AM UTC+1, Rupert Bear wrote:
> On Mar 12, 9:45 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> uk> wrote:
> > > closely based on true facts and events,, which,
> > > I HAPPEN TO know about my cousin
> >
> > > AND HIS WIFE..??
> >
> > > ...........................................................
> >
> > I am talking about something that really did happen...
> >
> > My cousin Pete made remarks that aroused my suspicions
> > in 1980...
> >
> That was why,,,
> > I bought a book that i had seen in a shop...
> >
> > My first reading of that book seemed to justify my suspicions
> > in every way..
> >
> > So i went down to the phone box to listen to the
> > Yorkshire Ripper's voice,,,
> >
> > And it just was not him,,
> > It could not have been my cousin
> > on that tape,,
> >
> > I dismissed my suspicions for foolishness
> there and then,,
> >
> > The information available about the man they wanted said
> > absolutely that the killer was that Geordie on the tape..
> >
> > So i went home an put that book on my bookshelf in 1980
> >
> > IN SCOTLAND..
> >
> > ..............
OOP'S
NUTHER CORRECTION..
Sorry..
I should have said in the late summer of 1980
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> On Mar 12, 9:45 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> uk> wrote:
> > > closely based on true facts and events,, which,
> > > I HAPPEN TO know about my cousin
> >
> > > AND HIS WIFE..??
> >
> > > ...........................................................
> >
> > I am talking about something that really did happen...
> >
> > My cousin Pete made remarks that aroused my suspicions
> > in 1980...
> >
> That was why,,,
> > I bought a book that i had seen in a shop...
> >
> > My first reading of that book seemed to justify my suspicions
> > in every way..
> >
> > So i went down to the phone box to listen to the
> > Yorkshire Ripper's voice,,,
> >
> > And it just was not him,,
> > It could not have been my cousin
> > on that tape,,
> >
> > I dismissed my suspicions for foolishness
> there and then,,
> >
> > The information available about the man they wanted said
> > absolutely that the killer was that Geordie on the tape..
> >
> > So i went home an put that book on my bookshelf in 1980
> >
> > IN SCOTLAND..
> >
> > ..............
>
>
> The Yorkshire story seemed to have finished near the
> end of 1979...
>
> That song "thanks for being a friend" seemed like a farewell and
>
> The Yorkshire story seemed to have finished near the
> end of 1979...
>
NUTHER CORRECTION..
Sorry..
I should have said in the late summer of 1980
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nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Aug 21, 2012, 5:35:00 PM8/21/12
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On Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:01:16 AM UTC, Rupert Bear wrote:
Smee again...
Its been a while since I posted in this thread
> > And one should ask why that one envelope was so inconsistent
>
> > with every other thing that went before...
>
> >
Things have moved on a bit,,,
I no longer think that the cassette envelope
was all that inconsistent with the
other correspondence received...
Having discovered the secret clues
i've already posted about this in another thread..
One realises now that all of the letters
had been disguised by the writer...
In this regard,, that the the cassette envelope was
in a disguised form of printing,,
it is entirely consistent with the earlier correspondence..
That it is disguised printing instead of the normal
disguised writing is still curious though..
It suggests possible problems for the writer..
It suggests an unspoken message
don't bother with my handwriting,,
listen to the tape,, chase the voice..
A voice was so easy to find,,
they really should have found it you know..
But rather oddly,, the man could not be found...
Well,,
they did have a year waiting for the cops response
to V Millward's predicted death in May in Manchester 78..
They made a prediction and carried it out,,,
they had sent letters to the press
and to the cops saying that he would...
And when that was done the series of murders stopped for a year...
The only acknowledgement they got about those
Jack Ripper letters posted from Sunderland
was that the Preston murder was added to the kill list
along with another one they had not done.. (Yvonne Pearson)
You can bet your boots a lot of figuring
what the other guy (the cops) was up to,,
was going on...
The working gals were driven off the streets but allowed
Manningham and Chapeltown without harassment..
It would have been obvious that the cops were getting trixy...
The cops and the papers were trying to psyche them out...
Things had gone wrong for them just before the letters started,,
There had been miss McDonald and then Moureen long,,
and when he came back to Yorkshire again Marilyn Moore
was lucky and scraped through to describe
having seen him waving to a spouse...
She described two interior mirrors in
his car and who knows what else that may
have been kept back....
I think Marilyn is important to this story,
the cops thought he was getting jumpy
or loosing his nerve..
The Maureen long attack was only two weeks after Jayne..
That was another risky operation,, picking Maureen
up from a taxi rank like that,,
his car was seen,, he was described..
A fair haired man with a Jason King tash,,
not a local man,, was being described
by two lucky survivors..
Followed by that night in Huddersfield where something
obviously,, went wrong again for sure...
Another close shave at the beginning of 1978..
Not long before the letters posted from Sunderland started
it may have been possible to piece together information
leading in the opposite direction,,
depending on how good the girls were able to identfy the
accent,, well it is reported that Marilyn said maybe Liverpool...
Maureen said fair haired man and he talked funnily,, not local..
And the manhunt was nationwide with massive
rewards being offered,,
and appeals often directed at a potential partner
or someone who knows...
And just six weeks before the letters from
Sunderland started...
This was in the news of the day...
Just ten days before Helen Rytka,,
where something went wrong again..
After Marilyn Moore,,
this was in the news..
Myra and I must die in Jail,,,
with letters from Brady
in the centre pages...
of the Daily Mirror ,,,
just six weeks before the Yorkshire Ripper letters
posted from Sunderland started..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/More%20Old%20News/?action=view¤t=MyraandI.jpg
Yer,, I reckon that counts as influences of the day ,,big time..
It will have freaked them out good and proper,,
considering...
And that was when the letters
posted from Sunderland started..
.....................................
Smee again...
Its been a while since I posted in this thread
> > And one should ask why that one envelope was so inconsistent
>
> > with every other thing that went before...
>
> >
I no longer think that the cassette envelope
was all that inconsistent with the
other correspondence received...
Having discovered the secret clues
i've already posted about this in another thread..
One realises now that all of the letters
had been disguised by the writer...
In this regard,, that the the cassette envelope was
in a disguised form of printing,,
it is entirely consistent with the earlier correspondence..
That it is disguised printing instead of the normal
disguised writing is still curious though..
It suggests possible problems for the writer..
It suggests an unspoken message
don't bother with my handwriting,,
listen to the tape,, chase the voice..
A voice was so easy to find,,
they really should have found it you know..
But rather oddly,, the man could not be found...
Well,,
they did have a year waiting for the cops response
to V Millward's predicted death in May in Manchester 78..
They made a prediction and carried it out,,,
they had sent letters to the press
and to the cops saying that he would...
And when that was done the series of murders stopped for a year...
The only acknowledgement they got about those
Jack Ripper letters posted from Sunderland
was that the Preston murder was added to the kill list
along with another one they had not done.. (Yvonne Pearson)
You can bet your boots a lot of figuring
what the other guy (the cops) was up to,,
was going on...
The working gals were driven off the streets but allowed
Manningham and Chapeltown without harassment..
It would have been obvious that the cops were getting trixy...
The cops and the papers were trying to psyche them out...
Things had gone wrong for them just before the letters started,,
There had been miss McDonald and then Moureen long,,
and when he came back to Yorkshire again Marilyn Moore
was lucky and scraped through to describe
having seen him waving to a spouse...
She described two interior mirrors in
his car and who knows what else that may
have been kept back....
I think Marilyn is important to this story,
the cops thought he was getting jumpy
or loosing his nerve..
The Maureen long attack was only two weeks after Jayne..
That was another risky operation,, picking Maureen
up from a taxi rank like that,,
his car was seen,, he was described..
A fair haired man with a Jason King tash,,
not a local man,, was being described
by two lucky survivors..
Followed by that night in Huddersfield where something
obviously,, went wrong again for sure...
Another close shave at the beginning of 1978..
Not long before the letters posted from Sunderland started
it may have been possible to piece together information
leading in the opposite direction,,
depending on how good the girls were able to identfy the
accent,, well it is reported that Marilyn said maybe Liverpool...
Maureen said fair haired man and he talked funnily,, not local..
And the manhunt was nationwide with massive
rewards being offered,,
and appeals often directed at a potential partner
or someone who knows...
And just six weeks before the letters from
Sunderland started...
This was in the news of the day...
Just ten days before Helen Rytka,,
where something went wrong again..
After Marilyn Moore,,
this was in the news..
Myra and I must die in Jail,,,
with letters from Brady
in the centre pages...
of the Daily Mirror ,,,
just six weeks before the Yorkshire Ripper letters
posted from Sunderland started..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/More%20Old%20News/?action=view¤t=MyraandI.jpg
Yer,, I reckon that counts as influences of the day ,,big time..
It will have freaked them out good and proper,,
considering...
And that was when the letters
posted from Sunderland started..
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