Barry Island
Jeff
I was helping my 9 year old nephew with his homework the other evening
and in the book he was using for reference, he came across the fact that
Barry had only 85 inhabitants in 1880.
Wondering why he had a puzzled look on his face was quickly answered,
when he said, " They must have all worked in the fair " :-o
When I was a kid, we used to go to Barry Island on the train and
Porthcawl on the bus, but Barry was best. Having been there recently I
think the train ride must have been the exciting feature, because Barry
Island is a tip in need of total demolition. :-(
--
Jeff "Ymswynwch rhag Gwyr y Gloran"
............. http://www.rhondda.demon.co.uk.............
Stuart McGuinness
In article <7NeDjAAD...@rhondda.demon.co.uk>, Jeff
<je...@rhondda.demon.co.uk> writes
>I was helping my 9 year old nephew with his homework the other evening
>and in the book he was using for reference, he came across the fact that
>Barry had only 85 inhabitants in 1880.
>
>Wondering why he had a puzzled look on his face was quickly answered,
>when he said, " They must have all worked in the fair " :-o
>
>When I was a kid, we used to go to Barry Island on the train and
>Porthcawl on the bus, but Barry was best. Having been there recently I
>think the train ride must have been the exciting feature, because Barry
>Island is a tip in need of total demolition. :-(
>
The train passed the steam loco scrapyard just before arriving at Barry
Island.
Wasn't there one of those odd Guinness clocks somewhere on the
esplanade?
I agree with the need for a somewhat total refurbishment! At least those
were the days before the advent of the eyesore Butlitz camp.
And don't forget the occasional trips beyond Barry Island to the Pier
Head to catch one of the paddle steamers to Weston.
A trip to Barry from Cardiff used to be fun, but a trip to Porthcawl was
a far bigger adventure, as the funfair seemed so much bigger and better.
Stuart (Cardiff born and bred - now living in Guernsey)
--
Stuart McGuinness
Keith Booker
Jeff wrote:
> Having been there recently I think...Barry Island is a tip in need of
total demolition. :-(
Had you been there that recently you would find it has been - at least
the old Butlins site is mostly down and there has been extensive
renovation to the seafront esplanade.
The fun fair is still there, but no-one would claim it is at its best at
the moment (too early in the season).
Keith
MARC
In article <35488E...@pemail.net>,
Keith Booker <k.bo...@pemail.net> wrote:
>The fun fair is still there, but no-one would claim it is at its best at
>the moment
And at least no onew has died there becuse of poor maintenence as happened
in Porthcawl
Marc
cware
Not yet, anyway. Find out how much KR pays his maintenance staff - scary!
jeffrey cameron roberts
cware wrote:
> Not yet, anyway. Find out how much KR pays his maintenance staff - scary!
Who's KR?
Jeff
Keith Booker
> Who's KR?
> Jeff
KR is Ken Rogers - owner of the funfair at Barry Island and Hypervalue
Holdings. (Also his son Ian lives two doors down the road from me!)
Keith
DJH
In article <L3Tv9PA6...@rhondda.demon.co.uk>, Jeff
<je...@rhondda.demon.co.uk> writes
>On Thu, 30 Apr 1998,
>Keith Booker <k.bo...@pemail.net> wrote :-
>>Jeff wrote:
>>> Having been there recently I think...Barry Island is a tip in need of
>>total demolition. :-(
>>
>>Had you been there that recently you would find it has been - at least
>>the old Butlins site is mostly down and there has been extensive
>>renovation to the seafront esplanade.
>
>the Majestic was still up then.
>>
>>The fun fair is still there, but no-one would claim it is at its best at
>
>train, hall of mirrors and much more. It just seemed to be so small,
>dirty and pathetic when I last saw it. :-( Although the seafront was
>looking OK.
>
>Oh! and it was raining. :0
Even the rain can hurt you!
Barry ws fun in the seventies - but did'nt we think that the roller
coaster was one the best in Britain?
Look at them now!!
--
DJH
Paul Sanders
Jeff <je...@rhondda.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I can't remember what was there before Butlins.
Nothing IIRC. My grandmother used to live in Redbrink crescent
and was most unimpressed at the building of Butlins.
My cousin was involved in a dig on a Mediaeval(?) chapel on the site.
There used to be a mine on Jackson's bay (Bang! not coal).
Is it still there?
On second thoughts, that can't be right - a wrecked buoy perhaps.
It must be 40 years since I swam in Jackson's Bay -
or at least went through the motions.
Definitely a Guinness clock on the front. It had a toucan on it.
--
Paul Sanders
(Barry born, London raised ond Cymro Cymraeg er hynny)
Guernsey
email:- psan...@guernsey.net
49 30N 2 37W
Ed Stradling
I thought it was owned by former Cardiff City supremo (P)Rick Wright?
--
And we'll all be lonely tonight, and lonely tomorrow.....
Keith Booker <k.bo...@pemail.net> wrote in article
<3549E6...@pemail.net>...
Lesley
Jeff
I loved your "Barry Island Nephew story" slice of life!
I have a dear friend from Blackwood who now in his 40's lives in Plymouth.
He told me of family days spent at the seaside at Barry Island and how his
folks used to sit under "Number 9" so the children would always be able to
find
them. Coming from New Zealand I found this description more than a little
odd
until I finally made it to Barry when the tide was out and it was covered
with bodies
(most of whom look living <grin>) and saw with my own eyes the huge number
9.
I wonder if his children will have such fond memeories of their summers
spent on Spanish beaches.
When we visit my husbands family in Wales we usually end up at Barry for a
day,
my kids love the fair as we don't have anything quite like it here and I
love the fish and chips with vinegar and sitting under number 9 thinking of
how if I lived in the UK I wouldn't be so quick to rush off to the
continent for my holidays! It wasn't until we lived in NZ that my husband
actually visited ( on infrequent trips home) most of the Wales he had
previously driven through without a second thought!
Lesley
In New Zealand
Jeff <je...@rhondda.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<7NeDjAAD...@rhondda.demon.co.uk>...
> I was helping my 9 year old nephew with his homework the other evening
> and in the book he was using for reference, he came across the fact that
> Barry had only 85 inhabitants in 1880.
>
> Wondering why he had a puzzled look on his face was quickly answered,
> when he said, " They must have all worked in the fair " :-o
>
> When I was a kid, we used to go to Barry Island on the train and
> Porthcawl on the bus, but Barry was best. Having been there recently I
> think the train ride must have been the exciting feature, because Barry
> Island is a tip in need of total demolition. :-(
>
> --
> Jeff "Ymswynwch rhag Gwyr y Gloran"
> ............. http://www.rhondda.demon.co.uk.............
>
Jeff
On Sun, 3 May 1998,
Lesley <les...@ihug.co.nz> wrote :-
>I have a dear friend from Blackwood who now in his 40's lives in Plymouth.
>He told me of family days spent at the seaside at Barry Island and how his
>folks used to sit under "Number 9" so the children would always be able to
>find
>them.
Your right, I had forgotten about the numbers painted on the *wet* side
of the sea-wall. As I said somewhere else in this thread, I spent most
of my time in the lost children compound. I think my parents used to
tell me one number and then go to another. :-)
>I wonder if his children will have such fond memeories of their summers
>spent on Spanish beaches.
I should'nt think so. Have you seen how they write number 9.
> and I
>love the fish and chips with vinegar and sitting under number 9 thinking of
>how if I lived in the UK I wouldn't be so quick to rush off to the
>continent for my holidays!
Don't you have chippies in NZ ?. I know that Harry Ramsden opened one in
Oz last year, about a year after he opened the Cardiff one. A man with a
mission and not a number 9 in sight. :-)
Lesley
Well Jeff,
For some reason they rarely have vinegar on offer in the kiwi chippies or
those cute little wooden forky things to pick up the chips <wistful sigh>
TTFN
Lesley
Lost in a nostalgic haze of vinegar fumes, number 9 and the lost childrens
compound.
Jeff wrote:
I had forgotten about the numbers painted on the *wet* side
> of the sea-wall. As I said somewhere else in this thread, I spent most
> of my time in the lost children compound. I think my parents used to
> tell me one number and then go to another. :-)
You probably met my friend there if you are around his age! I think his
parents
tried the old swapping the number trick too!
> >I wonder if his children will have such fond memeories of their summers
> >spent on Spanish beaches. I should'nt think so. Have you seen how they
write number 9.
They will probably remember their mother off her tree on the cheap spanish
plonk if the way she drank our NZ Wine on their last visit here was
anything
to go by!
> Jeff "Ymswynwch rhag Gwyr y Gloran"
I sincerely hope you are not swearing at me in Welsh <grin>
Jeff
On Mon, 4 May 1998,
Lesley <les...@ihug.co.nz> wrote :-
>> Jeff "Ymswynwch rhag Gwyr y Gloran"
>
>I sincerely hope you are not swearing at me in Welsh <grin>
It's an old phrase from the 12th C, which translates as "Beware of the
men of the Gloran". The original inhabitants of the Rhondda were
fearless huntsmen and were known as "The men of the Gloran", because the
Rhondda was formerly regarded as the "Cloren" or tail of Glamorgan.
Ref: Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru (Cardiff 1954), Part VIII, p.507
You are now the only person in NZ who knows that. :-)
--
Jeff "Ymswynwch rhag Gwyr y Gloran"
............. http://www.rhondda.demon.co.uk.............
Lesley
Jeff
How very interesting - I wish I could give a witty reply in Maori
which I am sure you would have as much trouble pronoucing
as I do the Welsh but my Maori is very limited (thankfully).
I shall certainly keep my eyes peeled on my next trip to the
library for your Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru (Cardiff 1954), Part VIII, p.507
(no I am not being facetious - It sounds very interesting!) The look
on the Librarians face alon when I ask for it should be worth the trip.
Lesley
(Probably the only person in NZ who knows what
"Ymswynwch rhag Gwyr y Gloran" means?
Jeff <je...@rhondda.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<shgGIDAx...@rhondda.demon.co.uk>...
Jo Walton
In article <01bd788d$cc276e60$5188...@lesley.ihug.co.nz>
les...@ihug.co.nz "Lesley" writes:
> I shall certainly keep my eyes peeled on my next trip to the
> library for your Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru (Cardiff 1954), Part VIII, p.507
> (no I am not being facetious - It sounds very interesting!) The look
> on the Librarians face alon when I ask for it should be worth the trip.
It's a dictionary.
They don't have it in Sketty library, so I don't hold out much hope
for New Zealand, TBH.
Is there a good etymological dictionary for Welsh, in English? Like the
one I have for Latin?
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Lesley
Hi All
I stand corrected and more than a little embarrased <sheepish grin>
I presumed it was about the "Men of Gloran"! Silly me.......
TTFN
Lesley
Snipped
Jeff
On Wed, 6 May 1998,
Jo Walton <J...@bluejo.demon.co.uk> wrote :-
>
>Is there a good etymological dictionary for Welsh, in English? Like the
>one I have for Latin?
>
I hav'nt come across one Jo. If you don't get a response here try scw,
that's where the experts live. :-)
mau...@sentex.net
> >
>
> It's an old phrase from the 12th C, which translates as "Beware of the
> men of the Gloran". The original inhabitants of the Rhondda were
> fearless huntsmen and were known as "The men of the Gloran", because the
> Rhondda was formerly regarded as the "Cloren" or tail of Glamorgan.
> Ref: Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru (Cardiff 1954), Part VIII, p.507
>
And I'm probably the only person in Canada who knows that. Thank you,
Jeff. I was originally from the Rhondda so I found this very
interesting.
Now, how would you say,"Beware of the women of the men of the Gloren".
:-) I'd love to get that one into my little notebook.
I enjoyed your Barry Island thread, brought back some very old and fond
memories.
Maureen
Jeff
On Fri, 8 May 1998,
mau...@sentex.net <mau...@sentex.net> wrote :-
>And I'm probably the only person in Canada who knows that. Thank you,
>Jeff. I was originally from the Rhondda so I found this very
>interesting.
>
>Now, how would you say,"Beware of the women of the men of the Gloren".
> :-) I'd love to get that one into my little notebook.
"Ymswynwch o Wragedd y Gwyr y Gloren" (Beware of the Wives of the Men of
the Gloren) or words to that effect. :-)
Pronounced : "um-swin-ooch (ch, as if your clearing your throat) o rag-
eth (th, as in the) ea (as in earth) gweer ea glo-ren".
<Marks out of ten please Darren> :-)
--
Jeff "Ymswynwch rhag Gwyr y Gloran"
............. http://www.rhondda.demon.co.uk.............
Jeff
On Fri, 8 May 1998,
>BTW, I noticed some discussion on a FAQ for UKLS-W.
<snipped a bit>
> If there's no objection, I'll post something briefly in
>the middle of this month, and then we'll take it from there.
Sounds OK to me.
Anyone ?
adrian.g...@googlemail.com
> I was helping my 9 year old nephew with his homework the other evening
> and in the book he was using for reference, he came across the fact that
> Barry had only 85 inhabitants in 1880.
>
> Wondering why he had a puzzled look on his face was quickly answered,
> when he said, " They must have all worked in the fair " :-o
>
> When I was a kid, we used to go to Barry Island on the train and
> Porthcawl on the bus, but Barry was best. Having been there recently I
> think the train ride must have been the exciting feature, because Barry
> Island is a tip in need of total demolition. :-(
>
> Jeff "Ymswynwch rhag Gwyr y Gloran"
> ............. http://www.rhondda.demon.co.uk.............
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