Gaelic pronunciation
Stone Age Man
Thanks
DaveB
"Stone Age Man" <stone...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> Can anyone tell me how to pronounce 'Buachaille Etive Mor' correctly?
>
> Thanks
Buckle Etiv More
I bet your going to get plenty of other opinions though! ;-)
Being able to pronounce it is one thing but do you know what it means?
DaveB
Stone Age Man
Well I know it's a mountain (and one of the Munro's) but I have a
feeling it has something to do with a 'shepherd' ??? think I might
have heard this from someone.. dunno though
Thanks anyway
beauty123
I've probably been pronouncing it wrongly all my life, but I say
Book -le etiv more
Great Shepherd of Etive
R
Richard Webb
>I bet your going to get plenty of other opinions though! ;-)
>Being able to pronounce it is one thing but do you know what it means?
>DaveB
>
>
Richard Webb
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Adrian Marsh Tupper
from stone...@geocities.com (Stone Age Man) contains these words:
You are right. It's the "Big Shepherd".
FWIW I pronounce it "Bookal Etiv More".
--
Adrian
Rob Jack
says...
boochal etiv mor?
--
Rob
DaveB
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Told you there'd be plenty of opinions!
About 30 years ago, when I was young and foolish (now I'm older and finding
more new ways to be foolish daily) I fell off Curved Ridge. Having that
route described in the SMC guide (p69) as 'the easiest rock-route on
Buachaille' was probably one of the reasons why I gave up climbing and
decided to stick with walking!
DaveB
p.s. Only hurt my pride - in case you were worried.
Lachie Macquarie
Rambaud,<MPG.16c3ef41...@news.freeserve.net> and displaying
the suave and sophisticated disposition of Archibald Leach, Rob Jack
<kca...@NOSPAMlineone.net> sgrìobh,
As per Maclennan, "boouchilu" and mhor would be vor.
--
Lachie Macquarie, Bod an Deamhan--smaoineachadh miannach.
beauty123
Adrian Marsh Tupper <adrian...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> FWIW I pronounce it "Bookal Etiv More".
That's how I've always pronounced it too
straydog
> Great Shepherd of Etive
More likely "herdsman", I believe, as its usage predates the arrival
of sheep.
--
Paul Richardson
stra...@straydog.org.uk
Adrian Tupper
from Lachie Macquarie <Lac...@lachiemacq.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
> >> You are right. It's the "Big Shepherd".
> >>
> >> FWIW I pronounce it "Bookal Etiv More".
> >>
> >>
> >I don't think there is a hard *K* sound in Gaelic..should it not be
> >boochal etiv mor?
> As per Maclennan, "boouchilu" and mhor would be vor.
Hi Lachie.
On my map it's "Mor" not "Mhor", which would change its case as
grammer would have it.
I get confused with all these "Mor" and "Mhor", "Beinn" and "Bheinn"
names. And I also
suspect that historicaly there was no consensus which case was used.
Only today
do people feel the need to pick up on other peoples' gaelic pronnouncations.
Cheers
--
Adrian
beauty123
straydog <stra...@straydog.org.uk> wrote in message
> More likely "herdsman", I believe, as its usage predates the arrival
> of sheep.
> stra...@straydog.org.uk
Very good point!
Alexander Maclennan
>> More likely "herdsman", I believe, as its usage predates the arrival of
>> sheep. Paul Richardson stra...@straydog.org.uk
> Very good point!
But bear in
mind that there was a native breed of sheep kept for milk and
their fine but scanty wool, a sheep so delicate it had to be housed at
night, The breed is now lost.
See Highland Folkways, I.F.Grant Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1961
--
Alexander MacLennan sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk
George Mac
"Alexander Maclennan" <sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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I will be the first to admit I know next to nothing about sheep (
although in my youth I did play in a band called " The Flock " :) ) but it
strikes me as odd that a breed of sheep described as " native ", which would
seem to imply not " introduced " and therefore originally wild, would have
managed without man conveniently arriving on the scene pre-history and just
before the weather took a turn for the worse, to house them at night .Maybe
they struck up a friendship, a symbiotic alliance along the lines of " Shove
over in the bed a bit Hamish and I'll let you have some milk for your
porridge in the morning ".
The Lord works in mysterious ways!
Lachie Macquarie
sophisticated disposition of Archibald Leach, Adrian Tupper
<adrian...@zetnet.co.uk> sgrìobh,
The proof of the pudding would me actually getting off my fat arse and
actually learning my own native language. Difficult in Beds, although
there are Irish classes in Luton. I suppose it would be a start? However
listening to my girlies Irish hatchet job on Scots Gaelic I wonder.
Anecdotal evidence gleaned over the years makes me agree with you.
Somewhere though there has got to be a reference, whether it is
Dwelly's, interestingly not a native speaker, or Maclennan. Have you got
the SMC's Munro CD? They allegedly have the correct pronunciations. I
have just listened to it and it seems to be "boochilu Etchiv mor", my
approximate interpretation of their pronunciation.
I actually went through the Munros with a native Sgitheanachan years
ago, maybe I should do the same with an Ileachan?
In previous incarnations, if somebody criticised their Gaelic
pronunciation they would probably have run them through with a Claymore?
Adrian Tupper
from Lachie Macquarie <Lac...@lachiemacq.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
> Anecdotal evidence gleaned over the years makes me agree with you.
> Somewhere though there has got to be a reference, whether it is
> Dwelly's, interestingly not a native speaker, or Maclennan. Have you got
> the SMC's Munro CD? They allegedly have the correct pronunciations. I
> have just listened to it and it seems to be "boochilu Etchiv mor", my
> approximate interpretation of their pronunciation.
I don't have the CD. Just various books which give a phoenetic
rendering which I don't find especially helpful. Dearg pronounced
"Jerrak" seems a bit extreme. And Gorm pronnounced "Gorram" is
nothing more than saying the same word in any Scots rather than any
English accent.
> I actually went through the Munros with a native Sgitheanachan years
> ago, maybe I should do the same with an Ileachan?
Err...
> In previous incarnations, if somebody criticised their Gaelic
> pronunciation they would probably have run them through with a Claymore?
...and then told them how to spell it properly ;-)
--
Adrian
Adrian Tupper
from sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk (Alexander Maclennan) contains
these words:
> But bear in
> mind that there was a native breed of sheep kept for milk and
> their fine but scanty wool, a sheep so delicate it had to be housed at
> night
...giving rise to a number of anecdotes no doubt...
--
Adrian
Alexander Maclennan
Sheep appear to have been introduced in the neolithic period and it may be
permissible to call them native by the time that Ms Grant was describing.
If we keep in mind the climatic deterioration of about 750 BC when blanket
peat became extensive and the the broadleaf tree line limit much lower, the
presence of a breed of sheep that were delicate and needed shelter at night
in later times could be explained. And of course there were wolves about.
--
Alexander MacLennan sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk
Alexander Maclennan
>> But bear in mind that there was a native breed of sheep kept for milk
>> and their fine but scanty wool, a sheep so delicate it had to be housed
>> at night
> ...giving rise to a number of anecdotes no doubt...
Wheesht!
But there was a West Highland Free Press cartoon a few years back of a
crofter mannie leaving the field, hand on fly, and a blackface sheep
watching him. The caption read `Will you be Baaaaack?`
--
Alexander MacLennan sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk
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