1,000 Asians riot in Bradford
Greg
UK. This time up to a 1,000 of them. Over 80 police officers injured
(3 seriously), 2 people and a Police horse stabbed.
But, as-per-usual it's not their fault. Oh no, everyone but they are
responsible.
Time to stamp this out!
Arm the Police with rubber bullets.
matt
>Yet again, our Asian 'friends' have been rioting on the streets of the
>UK. This time up to a 1,000 of them. Over 80 police officers injured
>(3 seriously), 2 people and a Police horse stabbed.
>
>But, as-per-usual it's not their fault. Oh no, everyone but they are
>responsible.
where has this been said? reports i have seen put the blame firmly on
the asian rioters and that there is "no justification".
>Time to stamp this out!
indeed...
>Arm the Police with rubber bullets.
...i can't imagine anything worse.
matt
>Yet again, our Asian 'friends' have been rioting on the streets of the
>UK. This time up to a 1,000 of them. Over 80 police officers injured
>(3 seriously), 2 people and a Police horse stabbed.
>
>But, as-per-usual it's not their fault. Oh no, everyone but they are
>responsible.
where has this been said? reports i have seen put the blame firmly on
the asian rioters and said that there is "no justification".
>Time to stamp this out!
indeed...
>Arm the Police with rubber bullets.
...i can't imagine anything worse.
Jon
knifes. Easy to sit in front of your VDU and tell others how to defend
themselves. What we have here is the result of the balkanisation of the UK.
Hope all the liberalists who have for years chuntered on about
multiculturalism are satisfied with the results of their work. We have
allowed a problem to be created in this country which has never yet been
solved anywhere in the world. The political state of our nation has been
destabilised by woolly thinking "useful idiots" who have been used and
corralled by evil persons who wish to destroy western society.
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matt
>You can say that because you have not got to face bricks, firebombs and
>knifes.
no? I live in Manchester and am very worried about any similar rioting
nearby.
> Easy to sit in front of your VDU and tell others how to defend
>themselves. What we have here is the result of the balkanisation of the UK.
>Hope all the liberalists who have for years chuntered on about
>multiculturalism are satisfied with the results of their work.
I believe capitalism (mixed with mulitculturalism) is behind this.
>We have
>allowed a problem to be created in this country which has never yet been
>solved anywhere in the world. The political state of our nation has been
>destabilised by woolly thinking "useful idiots" who have been used and
>corralled by evil persons who wish to destroy western society.
agree entirely...
John
>Yet again, our Asian 'friends' have been rioting on the streets of the
>UK. This time up to a 1,000 of them. Over 80 police officers injured
>(3 seriously), 2 people and a Police horse stabbed.
>
>But, as-per-usual it's not their fault. Oh no, everyone but they are
>responsible.
Everything that I have heard has condemmed the violence. To me the
finger seems to be pointing in only one direction and that is towards
the Asian Yobs who were causing the trouble.
However, to blame the Asian Yobs soley is wrong.
Blame has to also lie with the BNP and National Front. They were the
catalyst, and they are all probably very pleased with themselves now,
as they hung the bait out there, and the stupid yobs with nothing
better to do than smash up their own neighbourhoods took it hook line
and sinker!
As soon as you react to something, and use violence, and throw petrol
bombs and stab people, that makes you just as bad, and lowers you to
the level of the Nazis, if not lower in some cases, where petrol bombs
have been thrown and people stabbed!
I have got to say though, the Police must also be blamed. They have
never done much for the Asian community in Bradford, and so it is not
surprising to me that they are not respected.
In the Centenery Square where there were some Nazis marching through,
and there was angry exchanges between them and the anti-nazis, I
believe there was a lot of racist abuse and bad language from some of
the Nazis directed at the anti nazis with a different Skin Colour to
them! People asked the police what they would do about it, and they
did absolutely nothing!
Now, if this had been a football match, and I went to a Leeds game
with a mate, if we were walking back into Leeds afterwards and we saw
some Man U fans, and another Leeds fan called one of the Man U fans a
"Scum", and there was a policeman close at hand who heard this, then
this person would most probably get himself arrested, and maybe
charged with incitement to cause a riot or something? I've seen
people carted off by the Police for saying this before in Leeds! But
when it comes down to a neo-nazi saying something disgusting and
racist that is quite obviously 1000 times worse, towards someone of a
different skin colour or race etc, then nothing is done!
The blame must lie in three directions;
The Asian Yobs on the streets rioting, the neo-nazi racists, and, the
Police.
John
Allen
comebacks.
Then send a group up to Menwith Hill or where KQ is rioting.
The sheep riots of Wick are fomented by another ULY miscreant. Shoot
him as well.
Shoot anyone getting on a bus without paying and all unemployed single
mothers. Oh yes and queers as well.
Maybe internet cops could be armed as well, I'll get them to call
round at your place.
Allen
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Allen
It is never too late to give up our prejudices.
Henry David Thoreau
~~1817-1862, American Essayist, Poet, Naturalist
Dave Fawthrop
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: Maybe internet cops could be armed as well, I'll get them to call
: round at your place.
Now that is a good idea.
Three strikes and *you* are dead
Cliff Morrison
umdunge...@yahoo.com wrote:
> and the stupid yobs with nothing
> better to do than smash up their own neighbourhoods took it hook line
> and sinker!
Except that the ones doing the smashing-up weren't doing it to their own
neoghbourhood, as they seem to have been bussed in from elsewhere by the
ANL.
So, "stupid" or carefully organised and with a specific agenda?
rifleman1
work.
>
> I believe capitalism (mixed with mulitculturalism) is behind this.
>
who are encourageing militant muslims to cause trouble.
Jerry Barnett
> Hope all the liberalists who have for years chuntered on about
> multiculturalism are satisfied with the results of their work. We have
> allowed a problem to be created in this country which has never yet been
> solved anywhere in the world.
Um... you haven't been to London then? 25% non-white, integrated communities
wherever you go, large numbers of mixed marriages, and with the exception of
some East London estates, the NF/BNP haven't dared to show their face in 20
years.
rifleman1
>
> Blame has to also lie with the BNP and National Front. They were the
> catalyst, and they are all probably very pleased with themselves now,
> as they hung the bait out there, and the stupid yobs with nothing
> better to do than smash up their own neighbourhoods took it hook line
> and sinker!
>
football fans makes it OK for thousands of asians to riot , the asians
traveling from far and wide to join the riot, attacking the police,
attacking indiginous whites and blacks (?) , attacking businesses, burning
cars, attacking white families out shopping. I think either they or you are
taking the piss.
Maria
>You can say that because you have not got to face bricks, firebombs and
>knifes. Easy to sit in front of your VDU and tell others how to defend
>themselves.
Who are you talking about? How many injured white people were there?
> What we have here is the result of the balkanisation of the UK.
Who are the asians fighting against? People keep saying no whites were
involved...
hawkweed
the media started to report it as is ,It is Muslims that are rioting and do
you know why it wont stop because the last time muslims did this in a
country NATO in there infinite wisdom bombed the shit out of innocent people
then arrested milosovich for war crimes for what protecting his country and
it's people from marauding gangs of muslim militia so unless you want
stealth bombers dropping bombs on people while they stand on blackpools
golden mile hand in hand singing protest songs better let the muslims have
what they want .
chasvincent
do nothing pigsty pals he is sending this country into a state of
anarchy and total war and bloodshed that it will inevitably bring.
Immigration needs to be total stopped now, and Moslems should be controlled
by laws or deported, deportation is favourite.
The present on going trouble will make THE Northern IRELAND DEBACLE look
like a tea party, Blairs policy of trying to cover-up and blame the right
wing groups will not work, infact he is fanning the situation into a fire
that will be very difficult to put out if not impossible.
Blair is in a dream world he thinks everything will come all right ,it will
not the bastard, he is the biggest traitor this country as ever known he
should be tried and executed along with some of his cronies.
The PAKI and BANGI's force their children to marry people from their
homeland, in order for them to come to live here, they do not regard the
UK. as their home in fact they hate us the indigenous population, they
support their homeland in sport and cash, they are leaches on our
community.
Andi Mann
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the ethnic minorities hi-jacked by extremist elements or provoked
into reaction. It would be quite useful for your purpose to find
one or two communists stirring up trouble though, wouldn't it?
Could this be arranged?
Andi Mann
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> matt <matt*spam-me-don`t*@matthammond.co.uk>
> <qhufkto4u9jpuvpfd...@4ax.com> :
>
> >Jon wrote in uk.politics.misc:
> >
>
> >>What we have here is the result of the balkanisation of the UK.
> >>Hope all the liberalists who have for years chuntered on about
> >>multiculturalism are satisfied with the results of their work.
> >
> >I believe capitalism (mixed with mulitculturalism) is behind this.
> >
>
>alongside blatant consumerism. There will always be conflict in such
>circumstances, especially where the communities are striated.
>
I had always thought it is racism that is at least partially to blame
for the 'balkanisation' and the under siege mentality of the Asians.
toadpďpe
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I agree again Cliff. We must stop meeting like this. The ANL infiltrate the
BNP/NF and vice versa and it's really impossible to decide who's who. They
are both mindless organisations who seem to think that violence and fear
will bring them power. They feed on each other and it may be that their
close links and shared membership allow them some sort of unofficial
co-ordination.
Andi Mann
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need for integration, something easy to demand but not as
simple to achieve.
Andi Mann
"Maria" <pl...@plonk.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 06:30:27 +0100, "Jon" <noty...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >You can say that because you have not got to face bricks, firebombs and
> >knifes. Easy to sit in front of your VDU and tell others how to defend
> >themselves.
>
> Who are you talking about? How many injured white people were there?
Probably the riot police. More than a hundred were injured.
Shome musht have been white shurely?
Andi Mann
discrimination. For some, it is perhaps a cummulation of a lifetime
of unfairly treatment.
Maria
Ah. That explains why some people are saying they need more asian
police. :)
ma...@trudgill.org
wrote:
>On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 03:16:44 +0100, Greg <gr...@none.net> wrote:
>
>>Yet again, our Asian 'friends' have been rioting on the streets of the
>>UK. This time up to a 1,000 of them. Over 80 police officers injured
>>(3 seriously), 2 people and a Police horse stabbed.
>>
>>But, as-per-usual it's not their fault. Oh no, everyone but they are
>>responsible.
>
>Everything that I have heard has condemmed the violence. To me the
>finger seems to be pointing in only one direction and that is towards
>the Asian Yobs who were causing the trouble.
>
>However, to blame the Asian Yobs soley is wrong.
Didn't see the BNP or NF smashing up their area?
>
>Blame has to also lie with the BNP and National Front.
Don't talk like a twat, I live in Ravensthorpe, and for 2 out of the
last 3 weeks on a sunday we've had groups of about 300 "asians"
kicking cars going up the road assaults on whites going home etc.
The only police presence was in a helicopter hovering at about 2000
ft.
This shit happens every summer once we get a spell of warm weather.
You dont see riots in the depth of winter when it's freezing and
fucking siling it down, regadless of whether the entire NF are goose
stepping and seig heiling down the high st.
> They were the
>catalyst, and they are all probably very pleased with themselves now,
>as they hung the bait out there, and the stupid yobs with nothing
>better to do than smash up their own neighbourhoods took it hook line
>and sinker!
>
Yes and they'll continue to do it as long as HMG keep sending £multi
million regeneration grants to the area after they smash the place up.
Why do you think they smash their own area up and not go up Holmewood
or Buttershaw that are mainly white areas?
>As soon as you react to something, and use violence, and throw petrol
>bombs and stab people, that makes you just as bad, and lowers you to
>the level of the Nazis, if not lower in some cases, where petrol bombs
>have been thrown and people stabbed!
So half a dozen skinheads in a town centre bar is reasonable cause to
turn an area of Bradford into a district of Beiruit is it?
If 200 white lads set about smashing my area up because 6 young asians
outside the chippy are a bit surly, I dont see the likes of you saying
the white lads are not soley to blame.
>
>The blame must lie in three directions;
>
>The Asian Yobs on the streets rioting, the neo-nazi racists, and, the
>Police.
>
It would be, the more you make excuses for for these fuckers the more
they'll continue to do it.
Andrew
Was there any need to cross post this to
uk.local.nw-england
uk.local.yorkshire
uk.politics.misc
alt.politics.british
We had enough of these shitty troll-threads on uk.local.nw-england
without involving uk.local.yorkshire.
Lord Limbic
"Andi Mann" <f...@fi.fo.fum> wrote in message
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Please support this wishful thinking apologism with a reasoned argument.
> For some, it is perhaps a cummulation of a lifetime
> of unfairly treatment.
Do you think the National Front and BNP rank and files are middle class boys? The Asian underclass
riots and it is blamed on the white underclass. To believe this requires a staggering mastery of
doublethink. Women put up with this sort of nonsense once, "The mini-skirt justified the rape".
Today we have "The existence of skinheads justified the riot".
Is it possible the upsurge in popularity for the BNP is linked to years of unfair treatment of
whites? You betcha...
Regards
Lord Limbic
graphite
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What makes you think they'd use them?
The primary role of the ordinary Bobby in an "minority ethnic anti-racist
activity situation" (pp 7684 vol 2 Police manual of procedures for dealing
with minority ethnic situations), is diametrically opposed (literally) to
the discharge of rubber bullets. He is the target man.
"Tact, sensitivity and above all tolerance should govern the Bobby's actions
when dealing with members of the minority ethnic communities. The Bobby must
take special care not to offend the cultural sensitivites of minority ethnic
citizens. The Bobby must remember to adopt the appropriate body posture and
tone of voice when dealing with valued members of the valued minority ethnic
communities. The Bobby must always respond to said valued citizens in such a
manner as to be consistent with said citizen's individual culture and to
reinforce the value that our wonderful multracial society places on the
immense contribution that said citizen's individual culture makes to all our
lives." (pp 5321 vol 3)
So you see, rubber bullets are not needed.
It's far more appropriate to dress the Bobby in high-tech body armour, give
him a shield, order him to form an orderly line - like the ducks at a
fairground shooting game, and let the ethnics tire themselves out by
chucking bricks and molotov cocktails at him.
Andi Mann
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views, not I. Anything expressed might have been an attempt at
mitigation, not justification. I do not condone violence.
Unfair treatment of whites, by whom and in favour of whom?
Lord Limbic, you're a count and I've always had problem
with spelling! (-: ;-)
rifleman1
> >
> > No, they were reacting to years of neglect, racial abuse,
> discrimination. For some, it is perhaps a cummulation of a lifetime
> of unfairly treatment.
They still have a quality of life a thousand times better than they would if
they lived in Pakistan.
>
>
Andi Mann
Materially things could be better for them. However, all things are
relative. We're not talking about Pakistani nationals here, we're
discussing British subjects, born and hopefully bred. They are not
in Pakistan, they're here. There's no excuse to mistreat people
because their ancestors did not originate from these isles. Saying
that, I fully support the view that there are idiots or extremists
amongst the Asians who need to be separated and isolated but not by
the methods I've seen so far.
welsh witch
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AND we dont want their diseases either thank you very much!
AND we don't want their laws either thankyou very
much.....they seem to be facilitating more of them to get
and use a vote to put more of them in Parliament...When will
we get to the cutting off hands bit I wonder?
Nurses just back from one of these areas said they crucified
a man and hanged him up on a lamppost so that all children
going to school could see the rotting corpse every day...I
don't like the idea of that much either!!
rifleman1
"Andi Mann" <f...@fi.fo.fum> wrote in message
I see the trouble as the Asians not rally trying to integrate and us not
wanting them to integrate, compound this with there strong wish to maintain
a seperate identity as Pakisantis when it suits them only makes things
worse, The Christain faith and the Muslim faith do not also to be
compatable.
>
>
Andi Mann
Lord Limbic
"Andi Mann" <f...@fi.fo.fum> wrote in message
> Who mentioned only the white underclass? You made the above
> views, not I.
I am pleased to read you agree with me then. Forgive my presuming you were being one sided.
>Anything expressed might have been an attempt at
> mitigation, not justification. I do not condone violence.
I did not mean to give the impression that
>
> Unfair treatment of whites, by whom and in favour of whom?
<devils_advocate> The government/ race relations industry / in favour of ethnic minorities
</devils_advocate>
> Lord Limbic, you're a count and I've always had problem
> with spelling! (-: ;-)
LOL! Very good (rarely have I seen such a subtle gag on this newsgroup). There are worse fates than
being compared with female pudenda : )
Regards
Lord Limbic
Pete Lewis
> Arm the Police with rubber bullets.
I've got a rubber cheque book you can borrow.
somethingsensible
....and anyway as long as its the filth on the end of it it cant be all bad
eh......
"matt" <matt*spam-me-don`t*@matthammond.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Greg wrote in uk.politics.misc:
>
> >Yet again, our Asian 'friends' have been rioting on the streets of the
> >UK. This time up to a 1,000 of them. Over 80 police officers injured
> >(3 seriously), 2 people and a Police horse stabbed.
> >
> >But, as-per-usual it's not their fault. Oh no, everyone but they are
> >responsible.
>
> the asian rioters and that there is "no justification".
>
> >Time to stamp this out!
>
>
> >Arm the Police with rubber bullets.
>
Steve Frazer
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unfair treatment of
> whites? You betcha...
Does the ludicrously small number of supporters the BNP have show that there
hasn't been "years of unfair treatment of whites"? Do you support the BNP
because of the "years of unfair treatment of whites"? If not why do you
think other people do? Mind reading?
--
Steve
"Pity the man who knows his insignificance,
Pity the man who doesn't"
http://members.nbci.com/steve_frazer/
chasvincent
> support their homeland in sport and cash, they are leaches on our
> community.
>
>
> In amongst that mad ravings, there's some sense. There is a
need for integration, something easy to demand but not as
simple to achieve.
Of course its raving to you we all know where your hailing from.
You are correct intergration is difficult to achieve, so why complicate the
situation by allowing more and more of the same Moslem bastards here, stop
them now.
We know where most of the trouble stems Paki's Bangi's Moslems in general.
We have not been asked if we wish to share this land of our with unlimited
numbers of immigrants, Blair is is doing this traitorous act against the
UK.population without a true mandate not enough people voted for the NU-LAB
setup, anything he does in the name of the population of the UK. is a
traitorous act.
THE MAJORITY DID NOT VOTE FOR BLAIR.
chasvincent
The Technical Manager
> Greg wrote in uk.politics.misc:
>
> >Yet again, our Asian 'friends' have been rioting on the streets of the
> >UK. This time up to a 1,000 of them. Over 80 police officers injured
> >(3 seriously), 2 people and a Police horse stabbed.
> >
> >But, as-per-usual it's not their fault. Oh no, everyone but they are
> >responsible.
>
> where has this been said? reports i have seen put the blame firmly on
> the asian rioters and said that there is "no justification".
>
> >Time to stamp this out!
>
> indeed...
>
> >Arm the Police with rubber bullets.
>
> ...i can't imagine anything worse.
Try electric stun guns.
The Technical Manager
> Jon wrote:
>
> > Hope all the liberalists who have for years chuntered on about
> > multiculturalism are satisfied with the results of their work. We have
> > allowed a problem to be created in this country which has never yet been
> > solved anywhere in the world.
>
> Um... you haven't been to London then? 25% non-white, integrated communities
> wherever you go, large numbers of mixed marriages, and with the exception of
> some East London estates, the NF/BNP haven't dared to show their face in 20
> years.
The NF and the BNP have contested many elections in the London area over the
last 20 years. The BNP even had a councillor in Tower Hamlets.
They certainly have showed their face.
It will just be a matter of time before the riots spread to London and the
south, especially as a recession is on the horizon.
Andi Mann
Chas me old matey, you need scapegoats and that's what you're
are out to get. You'll start with the Muslims, then blacks, then
Hindus, then Chineses, gays, lesbians, disabled, gypsies,
socialist, your next door neighbour, your friends, your wife, your
kids. You're dangerous. If left alone, your right arm would rip out
your left arm and perhaps stuff it where the sun does not shine!
Maria
ROFLVBL!
Sorry...
Maria
What's wrong with water cannons? It would put out the fires at the
same time.
Andi Mann
>
> "Andi Mann" <f...@fi.fo.fum> wrote in message
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[Snip]
Unfair treatment of whites, by whom and in favour of whom?
> <devils_advocate> The government/ race relations industry / in favour of
ethnic minorities
> </devils_advocate>
The government is mainly whites, elected by mainly whites
to look after the interests of the whole population. What on earth
compel them to favour the ethnic minorities?
Exactly what or who d you have in mind when talking about the
'race relations industries' ?
Andi Mann
"The Technical Manager" <tec...@niobiumfive.co.uk> wrote in message
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arrested only two are from Bradford.
Maria
Hmm. I wonder what our not-so-well behaved 'children' would think of
that. Would it actually make them think at all?
Not that I would condone such a thing...
Beavis
> If some people have their way, may be. Of the thirty odd people
> arrested only two are from Bradford.
You've got that arse-about-face, lad.
Quoting from the BBC website:
Police said of the 36 people arrested - 13 white and 23 Asian - all but
two were from the Bradford area.
Cheers
Beavis
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Steve
Not true, the BBC reports:- "Police said of the 36 people arrested - 13
Maria
<bea...@fuckyou.co.ukNOfeckinSPAM> wrote:
>Andi Mann wrote:
>
>
>> If some people have their way, may be. Of the thirty odd people
>> arrested only two are from Bradford.
>
>You've got that arse-about-face, lad.
>
>Quoting from the BBC website:
>
>Police said of the 36 people arrested - 13 white and 23 Asian - all but
>two were from the Bradford area.
>
Odd; Ananova says 23 white and 13 Asian.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_346879.html
Someone can't even get simple information correct...
Andi Mann
"Beavis" <bea...@fuckyou.co.ukNOfeckinSPAM> wrote in message
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> Andi Mann wrote:
>
>
> > If some people have their way, may be. Of the thirty odd people
> > arrested only two are from Bradford.
>
> You've got that arse-about-face, lad.
>
> Quoting from the BBC website:
>
> Police said of the 36 people arrested - 13 white and 23 Asian - all but
> two were from the Bradford area.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Beavis
> --
Maria
<limb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Is it possible the upsurge in popularity for the BNP is linked to years of unfair treatment of
>whites? You betcha...
If only the sheeple could work out that the BNP are just another
collection of power-hungry manipulative bastards who will more readily
remove their rights to run their control-freaking establishment.
Andi Mann
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the ULY people by any chance?
Allen
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Henry David Thoreau
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The Technical Manager
Water cannons don't really hurt. Stun guns do.
toadpďpe
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> "Lord Limbic" <limb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Is it possible the upsurge in popularity for the BNP is linked to years
of
> unfair treatment of
> > whites? You betcha...
>
> Does the ludicrously small number of supporters the BNP have show that
there
> hasn't been "years of unfair treatment of whites"? Do you support the BNP
> because of the "years of unfair treatment of whites"? If not why do you
> think other people do? Mind reading?
Doesn't he crow a lot. You'd think he ran the BNP.
I can't help but wonder what instances of 'unfair treatment of whites' he'll
come up with. Turbans and crash helmets? I notice that he and his BNP chums
didn't post up their results of that silly test thingy. I guess it's because
of the embarrassing names near theirs on the graph.
John
<rifl...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Blame has to also lie with the BNP and National Front. They were the
>> catalyst, and they are all probably very pleased with themselves now,
>> as they hung the bait out there, and the stupid yobs with nothing
>> better to do than smash up their own neighbourhoods took it hook line
>> and sinker!
>>
>So twenty of thirty stupid skinheads in a pub who could just as easily be
>football fans makes it OK for thousands of asians to riot ,
re-read my post, and please tell me where I said that it was okay for
Asian people to riot!
I said that blame had to lie on three fronts! The National Front, The
Asian Yobs and the Police!
>the asians
>traveling from far and wide to join the riot, attacking the police,
>attacking indiginous whites and blacks (?) , attacking businesses, burning
>cars, attacking white families out shopping. I think either they or you are
>taking the piss.
If you think that it is just an Asian problem, and just want to point
the finger towards Asians, then you are taking the piss!
John
PS. The Football season ended 2 months ago.
John
<steve_...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>"Lord Limbic" <limb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:9i9kig$hn25a$1...@ID-58787.news.dfncis.de...
>> Is it possible the upsurge in popularity for the BNP is linked to years of
>unfair treatment of
>> whites? You betcha...
>
>Does the ludicrously small number of supporters the BNP have show that there
>hasn't been "years of unfair treatment of whites"? Do you support the BNP
>because of the "years of unfair treatment of whites"? If not why do you
>think other people do? Mind reading?
Most of the people that support the BNP don't even know any of their
policies, and they don't even know what 99% of the party stands for.
They are just stupid, thick, low life scumbags without an aounce of
intelligence between them. All they have is hatred and fire in their
eyes.
John
John
<hawk...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>It isn't asian youths causing the problems asia is a big place and it's time
>the media started to report it as is ,It is Muslims that are rioting and do
>you know why it wont stop because the last time muslims did this in a
>country NATO in there infinite wisdom bombed the shit out of innocent people
>then arrested milosovich for war crimes for what protecting his country and
>it's people from marauding gangs of muslim militia so unless you want
>stealth bombers dropping bombs on people while they stand on blackpools
>golden mile hand in hand singing protest songs better let the muslims have
>what they want .
>
The Serbs and KLA were just as bad as each other, though it was the
Serbs at first who were armed to the teeth and committing the mass
genocide and ethnic cleansing. We had to get involved to protect
innocent people from being massacred even more. Though I would agree
that we shouldn't have supported either side, we should have just
stopped the fighting. The KLA are just as bad, and you only have to
look at what they are doing in Macedonia now to realise that it is
them who are causing the problems this time, and they should be
stopped, just like we stopped the Serbs.
John
Maria
<tec...@niobiumfive.co.uk> wrote:
Why hurt them unnecessarily?
Lord Limbic
"Steve Frazer" <steve_...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> news:9i9kig$hn25a$1...@ID-58787.news.dfncis.de...
> > Is it possible the upsurge in popularity for the BNP is linked to years of
> unfair treatment of
> > whites? You betcha...
>
> Does the ludicrously small number of supporters the BNP have show that there
> hasn't been "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
No it shows what a reasonable and un-extreme people the British are.
> Do you support the BNP
> because of the "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
No, do you?
>If not why do you think other people do? Mind reading?
I leave mind reading to you Steve. Does the ludicrously small number of supporters of Nation of
Islam show that there has not been years of unfair treatment of blacks?
Regards
Lord Limbic
Lord Limbic
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We are sorry about the dross our useful idot fellow Toadpipe infects the newsgroup with. In an
effort to restore some of the balance, here is a Lord Limbic post for your enjoyment:
From: Lord Limbic (limb...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: WHEN THE BNP COME TO POWER THE ENEMIES OF BRITAIN ---BLAIR COOK MAJOR TED HEATH WILL BE
PUT ON TRIAL AND TRIED FOR TREACHERY
Newsgroups: uk.politics.misc
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Date: 2000/04/12
Dear Pencil,
Some snipping for the sake of concision -
> you said : "Sir, the Weltanschauung is off tonight, would sir like to try
> some schadenfreude?" - and referred me to a dictionary.
>
> i reply : Maybe you really didn't think I knew the meaning of schadenfreude,
> but I doubt it.
I assumed you knew what it meant, I also assumed that there might be those
reading who do NOT know what it meant.
The link was a courtesy.
> My guess is you were enjoying the error I'd made in my
> spelling of weltanschauung - I must get those spectacles the optician
> prescribed for me! (my desk dictionary - a 1964 concise oxford - does have
> quite tiny print)
As you have noted before Pencil, my spelling and grammar are too poor for me
to
start correcting others for typo's or misspelling of difficult foreign
words.
> in response to my suggestion that britain's politicians have not acted in
> the interest of white britons you asked : "Who's interests have they been
> acting in?"
>
> i reply : They act in the interest of those who desire one world, one race,
> one culture, one market.
I disagree. I think unless I see some clear evidence I am never going to
agree.
This 'model' of world affairs that you preach - one based on One World
government -
does not strike me as feasible. I simply do not believe that there is a
cabal controlling
world affairs with a master plan. These things are myths - elaborate
stories without concrete evidence.
>
> you asked : "Can you give me even one creditable reason why these
> politicians
> have been acting against the interest of any Britons?"
>
> i reply : "creditable reason"? What are the characteristics of a
> "creditable" reason...do they have anything to do with schadenfreude?
Creditable reasons are the opposite if editable reasons. Worthy of belief.
> when i said politicians 'put themselves above such things (as the notion of
> white britons) for they have grander notions on
> their minds - like the creation of a one-world wonderland. White britons are
> anathema to their one-world wonderland idea, and their actions have borne
> this out.'
>
> you asked : "Why? Why? Why? Statements - never any supporting evidence or
> even reasoning.Is it that you cannot or will not supply reasons?"
>
> i reply : A world government has no room for the sovereignty of nations. The
> unity, cohesion and strength of a nation is weakened by mass immigration -
> particularly when the immigrants are of different races and cultures than
> the host people.
Would an example of this miscegenational mongrel mess be the USA - the
'weakest' nation in earth?
Perhaps Australia is a good example of a nation on the brink of collapse -
on the verge of begging the UN
to allow it to become a Protectorate? What of good old Israel? The epicentre
of your One World State -
the master control point and brain of the One World operation - it has one
of the highest rates of immigration in the world.
> you asked : "I don't even know what this one-world wonderland is supposed to
> be. Please describe or define this 'goal' or end point."
>
> i reply : World government is the goal, the multiracial society is a step on
> the way.
You seem to be offering two scenarios (in this post and others) :
Scenario 1. A terrible racial conflagration will destroy Western Europe and
America - or more particularly 'whites'.
and
Scenario 2. An orderly and dictatorial One World Orwellian Super State is
about to be imposed on humanity.
Which is it or does one follow the other?
>
> you said : "Cryptic prophesies and warnings......yawn. The old taunt
> returns:
> Go on then Pencil - do it."
>
> i reply : I am in no position to do anything other than observe...otherwise
> I'd act. Systems and world views don't last forever - I am saying that the
> liberal/one world/egalitarian system is on the wane and that opposition to
> it is growing,
Either we have a liberal/one world/egalitarian system NOW and it is on the
wane
OR
as you have suggested above we are slowly becoming a One World State ?
Again - which is it?
> and that it will continue to grow until the system is
> defeated. Are you saying it will last forever?
If there was a 'system' for me to pronounce on - I would say no. However
the world seems to me to be a confused, violent and profoundly unstable
place.
There are literally dozens of competing 'systems' :
Capitalist Democracy
Socialism
Communism
Ethnic nationalism
Anarchy
Political Islam
Despotism
Martial Rule
Royalty/Tribalism
NGO Rule (eg. UN Administration Kosovo)
to name but a few .
>
> you said : "If your posts were a chess strategy they would be known as "The
> Bully's Retreat""
>
> i reply : A retreat is not a strategy...it might be tactics, but strategy
> involves long term objectives. Bully?! Hey, those who oppose this system
> know all about bullying, but from the receiving end of it.
I was just being spiteful.
>
> you said : "You make bold statements then spend the rest of the thread
> retreating into increasing irrationality."
I was just being spiteful again.
>
> i reply : What irrationality? I say mass coloured immigration has been
> supported and encouraged by british politicians since the second world war.
> I say this is contrary to the interests of the indigenous white population.
> If that is irrational, are you suggesting that the support of mass coloured
> immigration is rational and in the interest of the indigenous white
> population?
I have said before that I am not a supporter of mass migartion.
>
> you said : "In this post you are refusing to respond the implicit
> questions:
> What? Who?Why? Where? When?"
>
> i reply : Forget the schadenfreude, just tell me when these questions were
> implied. The post in question wasn't a response to any question...what makes
> you think it was?
Do me a favour - when reading anything, but especially your own writings -
ask yourself the 5 W's.
make sure that a neutral reader will not have to ask those questions
to understand what you are saying. You will be doing yourself and your
readers a favour.
> you asked : "Is it feeble mindedness or fear that keeps your 'reasons' and
> 'arguments'out of the arena? Why do you keep subjecting us to this drivel
> without providing a basis for believing it - i.e. evidence or reasoning or
> both?"
>
> i reply : Very amusing. I'm still waiting for one of you liberal/lefty/one
> worlders to give me the top ten benefits of the mass coloured immigration
> that you spend so much time supporting. Are you going to be the first one?
In the thread you started - "The benefits of
multiculturalism/multiracialism"
I was one of the few to reply to your challenge -
I wrote:
Pro's multi-culturalism
1. Fun - Diversity is interesting- uniformity is bland.
2. Food - Food in multi-cultural/ethnic societies is considerably better and
more varied (Italian, Spanish, Indian, Chinese etc etc) 3. Genetic
Diversity - as in small groups, so be it in large - One of our strongest
instincts is to increase diversity of our Genes. See the European Royals
for results of interbreeding within a population. 5. Aesthetics - People are
better looking - this is obviously entirely subjective and opinion - In
societies where there has been plenty of genetic mixing and gene migration
((Brazil, Israel, Europe), people seem to be much better looking. Even in
Britain where women are
unusually good looking - I think this is because of the variety of Tribes
that settled here (Angles, Saxons etc).
6. New ideas - The diverse ideas and world-views cross fertilise to create
wonderful new concepts and ideas. This exchange of perspectives generates
much creative output like music, and other arts.
7. Mental Competition - Open competition between ideas (Memes), values and
lifestyles means that weaker or unjust behaviours die out -
stronger behaviours and ideas or Memes survive. That is why the West's
cultural colonisation of the globe is so complete long after its physical
empires dissolved.
8. Sports - In Britain's example - the newer arrivals have saved this
Islands from sporting ignominy. Black Britons have saved athletics for the
UK , and there are several British cricketers and Rugby players who are
non-white or born of foreign parents. Heavy Weight Boxing is almost entirely
black in Britain and in Football black professionals are massively
over-represented compared to the size of the population. 9. Music. British
Music would not, and could not be what it is today without the influence and
participation of the UK's minority
populations.
10. Economics - in the UK, Ethic minorities, perhaps driven by a need to
prove something - are highly industrious. Their children perform very well
at school, they do well economically and by and large have assimilated or
fitted in extremely well. They pay on above the average share of taxes and
are therefore a net benefit to the Economy.
look it up yourself at :
http://x43.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=581911587&search=thread&CONTEXT=955567779.1
097859081&HIT_CONTEXT=955567779.1097859081&hitnum=5
You need to copy and paste the url into your browser.
>
> when i said : But most white people haven't really gone along with your
> one-world wonderland - just as they've never really gone along with its less
> subtle sister _communism_ .
>
> you replied : "Trite- and its less subtle sister Shite."
>
> i ask : Is it feeble-mindedness or fear that keeps your arguments out of the
> arena?
LOL! very good. But in response to your original statement
"most white people haven't really gone along with your one-world wonderland"
I must say I am not surprised. It does not exists - at least there is no
evidence it exists
Why would people 'go along with' something that does not exist, or is
completely hidden?
>
> when i said : But they have behaved like white people and didn't jump to
> conclusions - in other words they've given it a chance. What's happening
> now though is that more and more whites are thinking that perhaps it wasn't
> such a good idea after all.
>
> you asked : "What? Communisms? One worldism? Orange juice? High calorie
> diets? The 80's?"
>
> i reply : You're evading the issue again!...the subject of the paragraph was
> the multiracial/cultural society - as you perfectly well know.
You would be hard pressed to find many white who went along with 'it' in the
first place.
But you are arguing with the wrong man - I am not a supporter of mass
migration -
I am simply NOT a supporter of racism (amongst other things).
>
> when i suggested that the white indigenous population of britain is perhaps
> not as enamoured with the multiracial/cultural society as the liberal/lefty
> establishment would want, and that they are beginning to turn their backs on
> it,
Firstly you said nothing of the sort - you actually said:
"Don't forget they have a get-out clause, the
one-world wonderland is "an establishment thing", the majority of whites
have never really "owned" the idea so they'll not cling to it if it starts
to go wrong - as it is beginning to. This is a world-wide phenomenon -
paradoxically, an international fight against internationalism."
There is no mention of multiculturalism even ONCE in your post. Not one
single mention.
Vague generalities - references to 'the idea', 'one world wonderland' and
'an establishment thing' -
Multiculturalism or multi racial society - no mention at all.
you said : "Ah - the old "its all about to wrong and then you'll be
> sorry" cliché.cf. Y2K Millennium prophesies.....big let down for you was it?
> I bet."
>
> i reply : Yet again you evade the issue. You want to say something yet don't
> want to commit yourself - are you a politician?
Certainly not!
>So people are perfectly
> happy with this multiracial/cultural society are they, and they are in fact
> increasing their support for this wonderful utopia are they? Is that what
> you're saying, or if not, what are you saying?
What people? What utopia?
>
> you said : "Status on the plates: All spinning merrily - no intervention
> required - ever."
>
> i reply : So it is going to last forever. The perpetual motion machine eh?
Foucault's pendulum : )
Regards
Lord Limbic
Maria
How long has the Nation of Islam been active in Britain?
rifleman1
>
> I said that blame had to lie on three fronts! The National Front, The
> Asian Yobs and the Police!
Its not the police at fault, Blaming even partially the NF is silly , They
dont have running battles with the Scots or Welsh who are treated just as
bad sometiomes worse by the likes of the NF. No Sir the ball rests firmly
with the Bradford Asians in this particular case.
>
It was the BNP and NF to blame largely in the other recent riots however,
but it still does not justify the kind of uncivilised behavoir our ethnic
long term guests displayed.
Steve
"Andi Mann" <f...@fi.fo.fum> wrote in message
rifleman1
> Most of the people that support the BNP don't even know any of their
> policies, and they don't even know what 99% of the party stands for.
> They are just stupid, thick, low life scumbags without an aounce of
> intelligence between them. All they have is hatred and fire in their
> eyes.
>
> John
>
of membership as the BNP then, After all it was they and the Asians who
roited last night, it was they who tried to murder loads of people in a
social club the set alight and blocked the fire exits, yup the BNP and the
antifacists/ multuculturalists are all the same.
Andrew
>
> "Lord Limbic" <limb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9i9oqo$hlrg6$1...@ID-58787.news.dfncis.de...
>
> ethnic minorities
> > </devils_advocate>
>
> The government is mainly whites, elected by mainly whites
> to look after the interests of the whole population. What on earth
> compel them to favour the ethnic minorities?
>
> Exactly what or who d you have in mind when talking about the
> 'race relations industries' ?
This is jargon used among the extreme right. If you ever read a post
containing any of the terms "race relations industry", "liberal élite"
or "milticulturalism", you're better off not replying. If you want
further information buy a copy of the Daily Mail.
chasvincent
are out to get. You'll start with the Muslims, then blacks, then
Hindus, then Chineses, gays, lesbians, disabled, gypsies,
socialist, your next door neighbour, your friends, your wife, your
kids. You're dangerous. If left alone, your right arm would rip out
your left arm and perhaps stuff it where the sun does not shine!
Not at all , you just do not read me correctly, you have never seen any
geuine writing of mine [Some people like to edit and paste and distort]
that denigrates homosexuals except maybe in joking manner, I have nothing
against blacks in general, Gypsies ? Hindus I really respect,Lesbians,
what a waste of count ,
But Moslems are trouble , the number factor worries me.
Some of my family are coloured and I love them is this wrong.
dormouse
news:3b489b5d...@news.ntlworld.com...
Some were present during the rioting that accompanied the McPherson
enquiry - if they ever show any of the archive film look for the chaps in
monkey suits (dinner jkts), red bow ties and wrap round sun-glasses. I'm
pretty sure though that they'd been around for some time earlier but hadn't
really come to prominence outside of London.
--
dormouse
rifleman1
> This is jargon used among the extreme right. If you ever read a post
> containing any of the terms "race relations industry", "liberal élite"
> or "milticulturalism", you're better off not replying. If you want
> further information buy a copy of the Daily Mail.
Thats interesting the biggest selling tabloid paper in the UK is a rag for
the extreme right, Race relations industry surely that must refer to the CRE
which is a waste of money, riddled with racists itself who hate other
ethnics, then there is all the ethnic workers and social workers who ensure
that bigotry is continued by there obscene anti white hysteria.
Liberal Elite equates to teachers , socialworkers, community workers all
with a a srtong left wing bias, who pour out more trendy ideas that causes
misery for years after each application.Alway vocal at demanding more money
for themselves and their projects, but producing nothing in return.
Multi culturalism = having other peoples customs and beliefs forced upon you
and overiding your own beliefs and practises without consultation.
Mick Taylor
> matt wrote:
>
> > Greg wrote in uk.politics.misc:
> >
> > >Yet again, our Asian 'friends' have been rioting on the streets of the
> > >UK. This time up to a 1,000 of them. Over 80 police officers injured
> > >(3 seriously), 2 people and a Police horse stabbed.
> > >
> > >But, as-per-usual it's not their fault. Oh no, everyone but they are
> > >responsible.
> >
> > where has this been said? reports i have seen put the blame firmly on
> > the asian rioters and said that there is "no justification".
> >
> > >Time to stamp this out!
> >
> > indeed...
> >
> > >Arm the Police with rubber bullets.
> >
> > ...i can't imagine anything worse.
>
> Try electric stun guns.
Try real bullets
>
rifleman1
> Not at all , you just do not read me correctly, you have never seen any
> geuine writing of mine [Some people like to edit and paste and distort]
> that denigrates homosexuals except maybe in joking manner, I have nothing
> against blacks in general, Gypsies ? Hindus I really respect,Lesbians,
> what a waste of count ,
> But Moslems are trouble , the number factor worries me.
> Some of my family are coloured and I love them is this wrong.
I get blasted as a racist yet my wife is of latin origin, so I know what you
mean, but in general I think it is Islam that is the main problem,
everywhere it turns up there is trouble soon after with the other faiths.
>
>
rifleman1
> > >
> > > >Arm the Police with rubber bullets.
> > >
> > > ...i can't imagine anything worse.
> >
> > Try electric stun guns.
>
> Try real bullets
No, We must never slip down to the level of the rioters, be they white or
Asian, they are simply doing what uncivilised lower intelects always do.
> >
>
>
Lord Limbic
"Andrew" <notrea...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3B48AABD...@hotmail.com...
> Andi Mann wrote:
> >
> > "Lord Limbic" <limb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9i9oqo$hlrg6$1...@ID-58787.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > > <devils_advocate> The government/ race relations industry / in favour of
> > ethnic minorities
> > > </devils_advocate>
> >
> > The government is mainly whites, elected by mainly whites
> > to look after the interests of the whole population. What on earth
> > compel them to favour the ethnic minorities?
Guilt, organised minority political pressure, vogue, fear of being branded racist.....???
> Exactly what or who d you have in mind when talking about the
> > 'race relations industries' ?
>
> This is jargon used among the extreme right.
Bollox. I am not of the extreme right and I use the phrase.
"There is a race relations industry. Here are just a few of the hundreds of mostly publicly funded
qango's and non-profit organisations all policing our racial conscience:
Anti Fascist Action, UK
· Anti Nazi League
· Black Community Development Project .
· CARF
· The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE)
· Football Unites - Racism Divides.
· Institute of Race Relations
· National Assembly Against Racism.
· Red Action
· Searchlight.
· STARC South Telford Anti Racism Committee.
· Statewatch Home Page
· Youth Against Racism England
· Racial harassment
· TWAFA Tyne and Wear Anti Fascist Association
Migrants/Diversity
· Black Information Link.
· The Black Police Association
· Britkid.
· Electronic Immigration Network
· ERaM Ethnicity, Racism, and the Media.
· Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants
· The Madeley Web
· National Coalition of Anti-Deportation campaigns
· ODEC
· Positive Action in Housing
· The Runnymede Trust
· Wage Project
Jewish Resources/Shoah
· A Network for Jewish Youth
Roma, Sinti & Travellers
· Artemis
· Gypsy Collections
· Traveller Law Research Unit UK
· Urban Gypsies (UK)
Human Rights/Refugees
· Amnesty International UK
· British Irish Rights Watch
· The Democratic Audit
· Legal resources for UK Immigration & Asylum practitioners
· National Coalition of Anti-Deportation campaigns
· Scottish Refugee Council
· The United Kingdom Council for Human Rights
Misc./Regional
· Idealist
· Contact-2103
· European Council on Refugees and Exiles (ECRE)
· ECRI The European Commission against Racism and
· ECMI The European Centre for Minority
· European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia
· Education without prejudice.
· European Federation for Intercultural Learning
· European Human Rights Foundation
· European Network Against Racism EWL/LEF.
· The Migration Policy Group.
· United for Intercultural Action
· Youth Against Racism in Europe
When you consider how much money is spent supporting organisations like
these, when you calculate cost of the enormous racial discrimination payouts
regularly awarded in tribunals and courts and think about the lawyers,
administrators and officials that profit directly from this activity - one
must concede that this is an industry.
The race relations industry is not about the ethnic minority communities who
certainly need representation and protection. It is all about the people who
use them to gain political, financial and social power by perpetuating
racial strife and petitioning for special consideration and group rights."
"....I suppose the term 'industry' is slightly pejorative, but we do hear about
an 'arms industry' which perpetuates fears of war to justify massive defence
budgets. At one point, during the Cold War, there was a real threat. When
the threat abated the arms industry did not concede as much, they continue
to scare monger or actively aggravate conflicts elsewhere to keep arms sales
high. The Anti-racism industry is similar."
"But to expect the CRE or any
self-interested quango to act properly is falling victim to what is know as
the barking cat fallacy:
"What would you think of
someone who said, "I would like to have a cat provided it barked"? Your
statement that you favor a government department provided it behaves as YOU
believe
desirable is precisely equivalent. The political principles that determine
the behavior of government agencies once they are established are no less
rigid than the biological principles that determine the characteristics of
cats. The way the government behaves and its adverse consequences are not an
accident, not a result of some easily corrected human mistake, but a
consequence of its nature in precisely the same way that a meow is a
consequence of the nature of a cat."
The CRE is inevitably a racial aggravator. It is in interests for there to
be racial tension for it to attacks. It is given it powers proportional to
the perceived threat. There is no better way to generate the perception of
racial problems (the threat) that to actually create it yourself. Their
behaviour testifies to the veracity of this assessment."
"An entire class of person has sprung up to assist the government with the
monumental task of managing the race related thoughts, emotion, pride,
prejudices and opinions of nearly 60 million people. They can be loosely
described as the 'race lobby'. The members of the lobby vary in their degree
of commitment to the core task of this 'thought control' or management.
Some are career thought controllers or opinion guides, most are a just a
loose confederacy of teachers, quango staff, activists, academics, local
level politicians, community leaders, ethnic nationalists and other
miscellany.
The government usually resaves senior positions in the race lobby aligned
quango's (e.g. CRE, Race Relations Council) for ethnic minorities. The
assumption seems to be that ethnic minorities will have a better grasp of
racial matters that whites. Ethnic minorities are somehow more racial - more
'in tune' than whites. This is despite the fact that 90% of the clients of
the CRE and it's ilk, are whites and that it is whites - more than any other
group - that are being disempowered/deracinated. You would think this would
cause the CRE and other to see whites as the aggrieved group - the group
needing most reassurance and 'care'. Instead it focus' a tight beam of
censure and aggressive accusation on the white majority. The result is
guilty docility. Majority docility is core to any policy of 'Togetherhied'.
At all costs, keep the giant sleeping....."
All quatotation can be verified via google.com
>If you ever read a post
> containing any of the terms "race relations industry",
"liberal élite"
'liberal elite' is a practically meaningless rhetorical device. It
sounds awful, like something one would read on conspiracy theory website.
However, there is certainly a body of people - mostly left wing academics,
member the quango classes, voluntary sector race industry, the Labour party
and the left leaning media (C4 & The Guardian), 'community leaders' and
particularly legal professionals - who perpetuate the attack on institutions and
individuals in the bogus search for social justice."
> or "milticulturalism", you're better off not replying.
Multiculturalism
[1960s]. (1) Also cultural pluralism. Sociological terms for the
co-occurrence of many cultures (including hybrid forms) in one area, as in
the cities of Auckland, Bombay, London, New York, Singapore, Sydney, and
Toronto. (2) A sociopolitical policy of encouraging the coexistence and
growth of several cultures in one place.....In recent years, the terms
multicultural, multiculturalism, multiculturalist, etc., have been used,
both positively and negatively, to identify and discuss a movement that
confronts certain perceived biases in Western and especially US society,
particularly in education and on college campuses : 'New York's state
government voted last week to introduce multicultural history into its
schools. The new syllabus, designed to reflect the multiracial make-up of
the state, will emphasise the role of women and ethnic minorities, and play
down the importance of those who have now been labelled Dwems (dead white
European males), like Columbus, Jefferson, and Custer. The New York decision
was the biggest victory yet for the "multiculturalists", an increasingly
powerful group who believe the Anglo-Saxon tradition is a racist, sexist
plot designed to preserve white male dominance' (John Cassidy, 'History
turns its back on America's heroes', Sunday Times, 28 July 1991); 'It is in
its most intense and extreme form ... that multiculturalism is on its way to
being a major educational, social and eventually political problem. This
version is propagated on our college campuses by a coalition of
nationalist-racist blacks, radical feminists, "gays" and lesbians, and a
handful of aspiring demagogues who claim to represent various ethnic
minorities' (Irving Kristol, 'The Tragedy of Multiculturalism', Wall Street
Journal, 31 July 1991). See Australian English, Biculturalism, Culture,
Multilingualism, Politically Correct, Racism, Sexism. [Americas, Language,
Style]. T.McA.
The Oxford Companion to the English Language, © Tom McArthur 1992
> If you want
> further information buy a copy of the Daily Mail.
Nah, just keep reading and making up your own mind. Ignore the censors and defamers.
Regards
Lord Limbic
King Queen
2001 17:32:23 +0100:
>Water cannons don't really hurt.
Not my experience, they do hurt a lot
particularly if it's freezing cold!
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> The Technical Manager wrote this in uk.local.yorkshire on Sun, 08 Jul
> 2001 17:32:23 +0100:
> >Water cannons don't really hurt.
>
> Not my experience, they do hurt a lot
>
> particularly if it's freezing cold!
>
>
the cops can then sit back and pick up the rioters for up to ten days after
as they walk about with bright green skin and hair.
King Queen
+0100:
>They are better used when an indelable dye is used to spray the rioters,
>the cops can then sit back and pick up the rioters for up to ten days after
>as they walk about with bright green skin and hair.
That makes the assumption, not necessarily true (from experience!)
that everybody present when a riot is taking place is involved in the
violence.
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Maria
<tec...@niobiumfive.co.uk> wrote:
>Jerry Barnett wrote:
>
>> Jon wrote:
>>
>> > Hope all the liberalists who have for years chuntered on about
>> > multiculturalism are satisfied with the results of their work. We have
>> > allowed a problem to be created in this country which has never yet been
>> > solved anywhere in the world.
>>
>> Um... you haven't been to London then? 25% non-white, integrated communities
>> wherever you go, large numbers of mixed marriages, and with the exception of
>> some East London estates, the NF/BNP haven't dared to show their face in 20
>> years.
>
>The NF and the BNP have contested many elections in the London area over the
>last 20 years. The BNP even had a councillor in Tower Hamlets.
>
>They certainly have showed their face.
>
>It will just be a matter of time before the riots spread to London and the
>south, especially as a recession is on the horizon.
>
IMMSMC, there were two NF 'marches' in Sarf London earlier in the
year; fortunately or unfortunately, whichever ones POV, the
asians/blacks did not rise to the bait, even when it was reported that
an asian man was stabbed.
I do remember discussing it in this newsgroup at the time.
It was after that that they started appearing in Northern towns.
rifleman1
> rifleman1 wrote this in uk.local.yorkshire on Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:34:41
> +0100:
> >They are better used when an indelable dye is used to spray the rioters,
> >the cops can then sit back and pick up the rioters for up to ten days
after
> >as they walk about with bright green skin and hair.
>
> That makes the assumption, not necessarily true (from experience!)
> that everybody present when a riot is taking place is involved in the
> violence.
>
rioting thugs is getting just desserts, anyone with half a brain would not
be on the streets at 1 am in the morning during a riot.
King Queen
+0100:
>Anyone daft enough to get mixed up with thousands of pissed of cops and
>rioting thugs is getting just desserts, anyone with half a brain would not
>be on the streets at 1 am in the morning during a riot.
I've never been on the streets at 1 am in the morning during a riot
I've been at various peaceful demonstrators where some drunken wankers
have started up and I've been treated as a violent rioter. Always in
the afternoon, actually.
matt
Jesus. I've heard some stupid things but that takes the fucking
biscuit.
Andi Mann
"dormouse" <sorry.b...@isnt.real> wrote in message
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What riots, you mean people displaying their anger, exactly the way
it happened at the arrest and trials of Jamie Bulger's killers?
Yep, the Nation of Islam men were present at the trial of the five
suspects for Stephen Lawrence's murder. They tend to be dressed
in sharp black suits, well presented and polite in manner and speech.
They're against crimes and drugs and they're religiously pious.
This does not mean I support or accept their doctrines.
>
>
Andi Mann
"rifleman1" <rifl...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > I said that blame had to lie on three fronts! The National Front, The
> > Asian Yobs and the Police!
>
> Its not the police at fault, Blaming even partially the NF is silly , They
> dont have running battles with the Scots or Welsh who are treated just as
> bad sometiomes worse by the likes of the NF. No Sir the ball rests firmly
> with the Bradford Asians in this particular case.
Apart from other criticisms, the police was unprepared for the
ferocity of the riot - simply a lack of intelligence (as in information)?
The NF might not have any running battles with the Scots, Welsh
or other European nationalities lately, it does not mean they did not
have any previously or won't go for these people in the future.
Andi Mann
Sorry, Uk.Local.Yorkshire.
Andi Mann
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Steve Frazer
Is that what you're going to do to avoid answering posts now?
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Pity the man who doesn't"
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Steve Frazer
> "Steve Frazer" <steve_...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:9i9qtv$heso3$1...@ID-19581.news.dfncis.de...
years of
> > > unfair treatment of whites? You betcha...
> >
> > Does the ludicrously small number of supporters the BNP have show that
there
> > hasn't been "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
>
> No it shows what a reasonable and un-extreme people the British are.
You have contradicted yourself. First you say there HAS been an "upsurge in
popularity for the BNP" which "is linked to years of unfair treatment of
whites", and now you are agreeing that there HASN'T been an upsurge in
popularity for the BNP because the British people (of which you aren't even
one) are reasonable and un-extreme. Which is it, it can't be both?
> > Do you support the BNP
> > because of the "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
>
> No, do you?
I shall rephrase for clarification. Your post made it sound as though you
suppport the BNP. Do you support the BNP?
> >If not why do you think other people do? Mind reading?
>
> I leave mind reading to you Steve. Does the ludicrously small number of
supporters of Nation of
> Islam show that there has not been years of unfair treatment of blacks?
But you are the one who was mind reading, that is unless you go to meetings
and chat with members. No wonder you try to squirm out of answering with
some straw. Equating membership of an Islamic group to the treatment of
blacks, LOL!
Steve Frazer
> Nah, just keep reading and making up your own mind. Ignore the censors and
defamers.
Considering the posts you've made directed at me and toadpipe does that mean
he is to ignore you?
Sunil
On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Greg wrote:
> Yet again, our Asian 'friends' have been rioting on the streets of the
> UK.
Not 'down here', they haven't!
Lord Limbic
> "Lord Limbic" <limb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:tkh6uhe...@corp.supernews.co.uk...
>
> Is that what you're going to do to avoid answering posts now?
"Posts" suggest some element of thinking and human effort. Toadpipe is an
auto-responder with a simple rule-set based on vituperation and slander.
He does not deserve a response. His posts are devoid of any arguments that
warrant a response. It is safe to ignore him
Regards
Lord Limbic
Lord Limbic
> "Lord Limbic" <limb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:tkh6e5j...@corp.supernews.co.uk...
> > "Steve Frazer" <steve_...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:9i9qtv$heso3$1...@ID-19581.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > Is it possible the upsurge in popularity for the BNP is linked to
> years of
> > > > unfair treatment of whites? You betcha...
> > >
> > > Does the ludicrously small number of supporters the BNP have show that
> there
> > > hasn't been "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
> >
> > No it shows what a reasonable and un-extreme people the British are.
>
> You have contradicted yourself.
Bollox.
>First you say there HAS been an "upsurge in
> popularity for the BNP" which "is linked to years of unfair treatment of
> whites",
Firstly, I did not say that, I asked the poster if it was possible.
>and now you are agreeing that there HASN'T been an upsurge in
> popularity for the BNP because the British people (of which you aren't
even
> one) are reasonable and un-extreme. Which is it, it can't be both?
There is no contradiction. There has been a huge upsurge in the popularity
of the BNP (as evidenced by the Oldham elections and others) , but the tiny
starting point means that there are still a tiny organisation. This very low
level of overall popularity (compared to their European counterparts ) is a
testament to the reasonableness and balance of the British people.
Even a dunce like you ought to be able to work this one out.
> > > Do you support the BNP
> > > because of the "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
> >
> > No, do you?
>
> I shall rephrase for clarification. Your post made it sound as though you
> suppport the BNP. Do you support the BNP?
Err....what part of "no" is causing you difficulties? If my post appeared
to support the BNP, that is you interpretation only.
> > >If not why do you think other people do? Mind reading?
> >
> > I leave mind reading to you Steve. Does the ludicrously small number of
> supporters of Nation of Islam show that there has not been years of
unfair treatment of blacks?
>
> But you are the one who was mind reading, that is unless you go to
meetings
> and chat with members.
What are you talking about? Just answer the question.
>No wonder you try to squirm out of answering with
> some straw.
Have you lost it completely?
> Equating membership of an Islamic group to the treatment of
> blacks, LOL!
I thought you protective stupidity might kick-in as we approached the truth.
The Nation of Islam is a black nationalist organisation. It is openly
anti-white / anti-Semitic. It appeal for black unity, black purity (white
women are the arch enemy "blue eyed devils ") and black segregation. They
are the black version of the BNP.
By lowering the intelligence requirement I am hoping you will get it.
Regards
Lord Limbic
abelard
<steve_...@bigfoot.com> typed:
>"Lord Limbic" <limb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Is it possible the upsurge in popularity for the BNP is linked to years of
>unfair treatment of
>> whites? You betcha...
>
>Does the ludicrously small number of supporters the BNP have show that there
>hasn't been "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
did i dream that the bnp got too many votes in a recent
general election in certain parliamentary seats.....
why do you think that might be?
> Do you support the BNP
>because of the "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
just what is this 'unfair treatment'....? how is it focussed on
high light reflectors?
> If not why do you
>think other people do? Mind reading?
the number of votes were not obtained by mind reading....
i think...
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abelard
<limb...@hotmail.com> typed:
what is your source for this list?
abelard
<rifl...@ntlworld.com> typed:
>.
>> >
>> > No, they were reacting to years of neglect, racial abuse,
>> discrimination. For some, it is perhaps a cummulation of a lifetime
>> of unfairly treatment.
>
>They still have a quality of life a thousand times better than they would if
>they lived in Pakistan.
how is that relevant?
Steve Frazer
> "Steve Frazer" <steve_...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:9ibm47$i17qi$2...@ID-19581.news.dfncis.de...
> > years of
> > > > > unfair treatment of whites? You betcha...
> > > >
> > > > Does the ludicrously small number of supporters the BNP have show
that
> > there
> > > > hasn't been "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
> > >
> > > No it shows what a reasonable and un-extreme people the British are.
> >
> > You have contradicted yourself.
>
> Bollox.
>
> >First you say there HAS been an "upsurge in
> > popularity for the BNP" which "is linked to years of unfair treatment of
> > whites",
>
> Firstly, I did not say that, I asked the poster if it was possible.
Yes, you did ask, but then you answered your own question. "You betcha..."
to be precise. Hence the contradiction when you accepted the bit below this.
> >and now you are agreeing that there HASN'T been an upsurge in
> > popularity for the BNP because the British people (of which you aren't
> even
> > one) are reasonable and un-extreme. Which is it, it can't be both?
>
> There is no contradiction. There has been a huge upsurge in the popularity
> of the BNP (as evidenced by the Oldham elections and others) , but the
tiny
> starting point means that there are still a tiny organisation. This very
low
> level of overall popularity (compared to their European counterparts ) is
a
> testament to the reasonableness and balance of the British people.
What about places other than Oldham? Do you have any trends/data that shows
this 'upsurge' or is it just guesswork?
> Even a dunce like you ought to be able to work this one out.
Oh dear, and there's me thinking you could post like an adult this time.
*snipped unread*
Steve Frazer
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of
> >unfair treatment of
> >> whites? You betcha...
> >
> >Does the ludicrously small number of supporters the BNP have show that
there
> >hasn't been "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
>
> did i dream that the bnp got too many votes in a recent
> general election in certain parliamentary seats.....
> why do you think that might be?
In two whole seats out of many hundreds. How did they do elsewhere? Overall?
I have been unable to find any stats.
> > Do you support the BNP
> >because of the "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
>
> just what is this 'unfair treatment'....? how is it focussed on
> high light reflectors?
Ask Limbic, I directly quoted him.
> > If not why do you
> >think other people do? Mind reading?
>
> the number of votes were not obtained by mind reading....
> i think...
So what were they across the whole country? How many supporters/members does
the BNP have exactly?
toadpďpe
> >
> > This is jargon used among the extreme right. If you ever read a post
> > containing any of the terms "race relations industry", "liberal élite"
> > further information buy a copy of the Daily Mail.
>
> the extreme right, Race relations industry surely that must refer to the
CRE
> which is a waste of money, riddled with racists itself who hate other
> ethnics, then there is all the ethnic workers and social workers who
ensure
> that bigotry is continued by there obscene anti white hysteria.
>
> Liberal Elite equates to teachers , socialworkers, community workers all
> with a a srtong left wing bias, who pour out more trendy ideas that
causes
> misery for years after each application.Alway vocal at demanding more
money
> for themselves and their projects, but producing nothing in return.
>
> Multi culturalism = having other peoples customs and beliefs forced upon
you
> and overiding your own beliefs and practises without consultation.
>
And you can, of course, point to a research study which demonstrates all
this?
abelard
<steve_...@bigfoot.com> typed:
>"abelard" <abe...@abelard.org> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:32:53 +0100, "Steve Frazer"
>> <steve_...@bigfoot.com> typed:
>> >> Is it possible the upsurge in popularity for the BNP is linked to years
>of
>> >unfair treatment of
>> >> whites? You betcha...
>> >
>> >Does the ludicrously small number of supporters the BNP have show that
>there
>> >hasn't been "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
>>
>> did i dream that the bnp got too many votes in a recent
>> general election in certain parliamentary seats.....
>> why do you think that might be?
>
>In two whole seats out of many hundreds. How did they do elsewhere? Overall?
>I have been unable to find any stats.
not responsive....
>> > Do you support the BNP
>> >because of the "years of unfair treatment of whites"?
>>
>> just what is this 'unfair treatment'....? how is it focussed on
>> high light reflectors?
>
>Ask Limbic, I directly quoted him.
i'll take answers from anywhere....
>> > If not why do you
>> >think other people do? Mind reading?
>>
>> the number of votes were not obtained by mind reading....
>> i think...
>
>So what were they across the whole country? How many supporters/members does
>the BNP have exactly?
again...unresponsive...
Andi Mann
> >
> > Not at all , you just do not read me correctly, you have never seen any
> > geuine writing of mine [Some people like to edit and paste and distort]
> > that denigrates homosexuals except maybe in joking manner, I have
nothing
> > against blacks in general, Gypsies ? Hindus I really respect,Lesbians,
> > what a waste of count ,
> > But Moslems are trouble , the number factor worries me.
> > Some of my family are coloured and I love them is this wrong.
>
you
> mean, but in general I think it is Islam that is the main problem,
> everywhere it turns up there is trouble soon after with the other faiths.
> >
> >
>
Was I right or was I right? The bastards had already started on
their own family members, exactly as I predicted. (-:
Edwina Frogbucket
>
> In two whole seats out of many hundreds. How did they do elsewhere?
Overall?
> I have been unable to find any stats.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/elections.html
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Steve Frazer
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Many thanks.
So if you include the three votes in Oldham West (6,552), Oldham East
(5,091) and Burnley (4,151), they got 47,225 votes from 33 seats contested.
An average of 1,431 per seat *figures taken from website*
If you exclude these three, which were abnormal compared to the rest, they
got 31,431 from 30 seats, 1047 per seat. A measly, 2.85% of the contested
vote. I doubt this would be true if the turnout had been higher as they
attract disaffected voters. i.e. they got voters unhappy with the Tories,
who polled abysmally.
I have to say that Bookmarking the site was a revelation. I now know why the
racists use capitals in so many of their posts :-)