Songs about Staffordshire
Geoff Rodgers
the towns,
the places,
the people.
Anything you learnt at school?
I'm a resident alien so I don't know.
Any suggestions?
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1970s, including 'Willie Hancock', 'Mary Coker' and 'Silicosis'.
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Blade Runner
Hill wrote:
>Bob Wilson wrote a number of songs about the Potteries in the 1960s and
>1970s, including 'Willie Hancock', 'Mary Coker' and 'Silicosis'.
Is that the same Bob Wilson who was a lecturer at what is now Staffs
Uni?
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Jason Hill
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>Is that the same Bob Wilson who was a lecturer at what is now Staffs
>Uni?
>
>
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Geoff Rodgers
Geoff Rodgers <web...@lineone.net*> wrote in message
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> Does anyone know of any songs about Staffordshire,
> the towns,
> the places,
> the people.
> Anything you learnt at school?
> I'm a resident alien so I don't know.
> Any suggestions?
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I meant traditional stuff, or certainly well known around Staffs, like
Blaydon races in Newcastle Upon Tyne, or whatever. Is there a Staffordshire
song?
I guess not seeing as the thread died as soon as it started.
I really wondering what Staffs is all about.
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Blade Runner
Rodgers wrote:
>I meant traditional stuff, or certainly well known around Staffs, like
>Blaydon races in Newcastle Upon Tyne, or whatever. Is there a Staffordshire
>song?
>I guess not seeing as the thread died as soon as it started.
>I really wondering what Staffs is all about.
Pits, pots and oatcakes what else?
Seriously, the lack of songs is a problem, but I don't think Staffs is
particularly unique in this aspect. Also there's a good chance that
the people who would know (Jim Gillespie springs to mind) are either
out doing it or are not terribly into computers and stuff.
Another person who may know is Ray Johnson who had done a lot of stuff
on North Staffs history. He used to be in the phone book, he lives in
Hanford.
Neil Chadwick
Stoke on film, Stoke video, etc. stuff. But I agree, he is something of an
expert in this area.
Also it may be worth trying the Potteries Heritage Society. There may be a
member who has some knowledge of local songs.
Neil
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Nick Wagg
>
> Does anyone know of any songs about Staffordshire,
Brian Berrington wrote a song called "On The Club" about 40 years
ago and used to sing it (and others) around the folk clubs in the
area. It also features on an old album called "Stoke Folk".
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> Does anyone know of any songs about Staffordshire,
Apart from the pits, pots and oatcakes suggested by Blade Runner
there may be songs about canals and railways (Owd Knotty) and
maybe the mills in Leek.
Don't forget the iron and steel industry - I dare say that the
"Fight For Shelton Bar" campaign and play at the Victoria Theatre
contained a few songs. We are talking mid-70's here.
donin...@my-deja.com
Nick Wagg <ni...@lsl.co.uk> wrote:
> Geoff Rodgers wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know of any songs about Staffordshire,
>
> ago and used to sing it (and others) around the folk clubs in the
> area. It also features on an old album called "Stoke Folk".
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> Geoff Rodgers wrote:> >
> > Does anyone know of any songs about Staffordshire,
>
> Apart from the pits, pots and oatcakes suggested by Blade Runner
> there may be songs about canals and railways (Owd Knotty) and
> maybe the mills in Leek.
>
> Don't forget the iron and steel industry - I dare say that the
> "Fight For Shelton Bar" campaign and play at the Victoria Theatre
> contained a few songs. We are talking mid-70's here.
Hello. Pardon my jumping in without lurking.
Not Staffordshire as such, but local writer / historian Jeff Kent
(Witan Productions) produced an album of songs around eight years ago
on a Port Vale / Burslem theme.
There was also also a cassette of Potteries dialect songs circulating
Staffs Public Works about eight years back, called *Balls of Clay*. I
recall old Lonnie playing 'Saggarmakers Bottomknocker' from that one on
BBC Radio Stoke. Forget the guy's name, but I think it was he of the
bizarre talking duck / street theatre act.
Don - Stone
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Blade Runner
donin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Forget the guy's name, but I think it was he of the
>bizarre talking duck / street theatre act.
I'd like to see that...
donin...@my-deja.com
Blade Runner <blac...@geocities.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:09:25 GMT in uk.local.north-staffs,
> donin...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Forget the guy's name, but I think it was he of the
> >bizarre talking duck / street theatre act.
>
> I'd like to see that...
Don't get to Hanley much these days, but last that guy in Chester. Her
indoors informs me it is 'Jake the Drake'. Cross between Rod Hull's
Emu and Donald Duck on magic mushrooms. Sorry for getting o/t.
Blade Runner
donin...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> I'd like to see that...
>
> Don't get to Hanley much these days, but last that guy in Chester. Her
>indoors informs me it is 'Jake the Drake'. Cross between Rod Hull's
>Emu and Donald Duck on magic mushrooms. Sorry for getting o/t.
Off topic? A street entertainer in Hanley? Perfectly on topic, mate.
Tim Willets
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>
>I meant traditional stuff, or certainly well known around Staffs, like
>Blaydon races in Newcastle Upon Tyne, or whatever. Is there a Staffordshire
>song?
Not like Blaydon Races in the NE, no.
The song collectors of the folk revival of the early 20th century pretty
much entirely by-passed Staffordshire and there's little collected/known
anywhere in the county. Accusations have been levelled at the influence
of primitive Methodism in N. Staffs resulting in the demise of secular
singing in the 19th century. Personally I doubt that, but outside the
Black Country and a couple of Morris traditions little remains to us of
whatever tradition there was.
Staffs is also made up of several disparate communities - the Potteries
differs from the Moorlands in the north of the county, the middle is
different again, and the industrial Black Country that used to make up
South Staffs different again, so there was never a "county identity" as
such.
>I guess not seeing as the thread died as soon as it started.
>I really wondering what Staffs is all about.
Pottery, oatcakes, farming, chain-making, engineering, mining (once upon
a time) - lots of things, as you'd expect from what (before the West
Midlands grabbed the south of the county) was one of the largest and
most varied counties in England.
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Neil Chadwick
they stole the design of his duck for one of their chocolate designs.
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"Neil Chadwick" <ne...@speydrive.netscapeonline.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes, I think he had a battle with Thornton's Chocolate shop - he
claimed
> they stole the design of his duck for one of their chocolate designs.
Hi,
Yes, the Derby Telegraph made a meal of that one; assume the
Staffordshire Sentinel likewise. I fancied it was some kind of
publicity stunt of mutual benefit. Pure speculation on my part, mind
you. No intention of swelling anybody’s litigation list. :-)
Don
s...@bottom.of.message
ago I went on a cycle ride out towards Eccleshall and stopped to chat
to a man at the road side.
He recited a short poem which compared life to a cycle ride and the
gist of it was its easy being cheerful when all is going well but not
so easy when you are cycling home on the rim with a flat tyre and it
is pissing down. He said his father used to recite it. I have not
been able to find it in any book and suspect that it is local.
Anyone any ideas.
Regards, Alex. Shaw.
eltel
Dangerous" The song was played by a folk group called "His Worship and the
Pig" the guy that actually wrote the song was a guy called Dave Boulton.
The subject of the song works at Celestica Kidsgrove and the lyrics tell
of is various mishaps.
Regards
George Poulson
I work with Dave Boulton and he was quite surprised to hear that he had
achived "fame at last" in this newsgroup. The subject of the song does
indeed still work at Celestica, Kidsgrove, and is described by Dave as
"A great chemist.. rest of his life: total CHAOS"
He asked me to post a short excerpt from the song in question, and also to
mention that "His Worship and the Pig" will be performing again this
Sunday from 8pm at the usual venue in Tunstall town square (unfortunately
I've forgotten the name of the pub :-( )
- - - -
You think that Sherlock Holmes is a local block of flats
and that circumnavigation is what they do to cats
and you think that crazy paving's only done by psychopaths
if you had a brain you'd be dangerous
- - - -
Regards,
George
eltel
subject of the song.
James Berriman
> Does anyone know of any songs about Staffordshire,
> the towns,
> the places,
> the people.
> Anything you learnt at school?
> I'm a resident alien so I don't know.
> Any suggestions?
Go to <http://mp3.com/jamesandsue/> to hear The Last Long Mile - a song by
Sue Moffat about the closure of Silverdale pit.
Phil Colclough wrote a song called Diglake Fields, about the flooding of
Diglake pit.
John Kirkpatrick wrote a song called On The Road To Freedom, based on the
story of a workers' march in 1842.
I'm sure there's lots more :-)
George Poulson
> George, is it possible to have the complete lyrics. As I have my dinner with
> subject of the song.
>
I'll ask Dave Boulton to contact you direct as I don't think he has
access to newsgroups.
George
Jeff Parton
concerned, there seem to have been very few songs collected orally in this
area, and of those even fewer relate specifically to the area. I can think
of one: "Down Apedale Road", which is a North Staffs version of the
cumulative song "The Tree in the Wood".
Otherwise, I have found a number of texts in various 19th Century printed
sources which I have put tunes to, including
The Potter's Wheel
The Jolly Machine
The Truck Master
A Pottery Ballad
The Pioneer's Song
The Regatta
Newcastle Wakes
The Song of the Staffordshire Men
(Some of the above were used in the musical documentaries at the Victoria
Theatre in the 60s and 70s.)
Various local singers have written songs with local themes over the years,
such as:
Boslem Wakes (Brian Berrington)
Silicosis (Bob Wilson)
The Oatcake Song (Denzil Dudley and Pete Hall)
Chalk and Cheese (Ken Whitmore and myself)
Diglake Fields (Phil Colclough)
The Silverdale Void (Trevor Carter - available on his tape "The PR Man's
Dozen")
Black Hill (His Worship and the Pig available on tape or CD "Bringing Home
the Bacon")
Lozakin' Abite (His Worship and the Pig)
This is not an exhaustive list.
Jeff Parton
Geoff Rodgers <web...@lineone.net*> wrote in message
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> Does anyone know of any songs about Staffordshire,
> the towns,
> the places,
> the people.
> Anything you learnt at school?
> I'm a resident alien so I don't know.
> Any suggestions?
Tim Willets
<je...@partn.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>As far as the North of the county (the Potteries and the Moorlands) are
>concerned, there seem to have been very few songs collected orally in this
>area, and of those even fewer relate specifically to the area. I can think
>of one: "Down Apedale Road", which is a North Staffs version of the
>cumulative song "The Tree in the Wood".
>
>Otherwise, I have found a number of texts in various 19th Century printed
>sources which I have put tunes to, including
To add to Jeff's list I have a copy of a broadside concerning deaths
following an explosion at Chatterley Whitfield pit in the 1860s/70s.
>The Jolly Machine
Is this 19th century? I was always under the (possibly mistaken)
impression it is much later than that (written for the play at the New
Vic???).
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Nick Wagg
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>
>I meant traditional stuff, or certainly well known around Staffs, like
>Blaydon races in Newcastle Upon Tyne, or whatever. Is there a Staffordshire
>song?
Not quite North Staffs but the alley in the playground song
"The Big Ship Sails On The Alley Alley Oh"
refers to the Manchester ship canal, although I don't know
which ship.
Blade Runner
>Lozakin' Abite
Fantastic! I've never actually seen the word 'lozakin' written down. Is its
unique to our area?
I think there are others too.
'Mithered' or 'maythered', springs to mind and also 'nesh'. I also remember my
mother telling me not to 'queedle'(rock a chair back on to two legs) but I'm not
sure she didn't just make this up.
Then there are the various odd constructions such as the admonishment to young
Jimmy who is climbing a tree " Get down, climbing!"
Incidentally, my oatcake pages are way overdue for a revamp and it might be nice
to incorporate all this local stuff once I get a round tuit.
Tim Sharrock
<blac...@geocities.com> wrote: [about words unique to the area]
> I think there are others too.
>
My mother (from Lancashire, not that far from Liverpool) uses
this (though I think of it as 'myther', usually in the form
"stop mythering me", with a meaning of bother/pester). Is this
the same word?
Tim
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Blade Runner
wrote:
>
>My mother (from Lancashire, not that far from Liverpool) uses
>this (though I think of it as 'myther', usually in the form
>"stop mythering me", with a meaning of bother/pester). Is this
>the same word?
It is indeed. Not /that/ local then, obviously. How about 'snappin'?
Jeff Parton
Tim Willets <ne...@redowa.co.uk> wrote in message
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The Jolly Machine is definitely 19th Century. I think it was found in the
Potter's Examiner, the local newspaper of the time. I set it to music for
The Jolly Potters documentary in 1966 (I think).
I'd be interested to see a copy (or transcription) of your Chatterley
Whitfield broadside.
Jeff Parton
Tim Willets
<blac...@geocities.com> writes
>'Mithered' or 'maythered', springs to mind and also 'nesh'.
The former is used in the Wednesbury area and the latter in parts of
Lancashire and Derbyshire.
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Nick Wagg
>
> 'Mithered' or 'maythered', springs to mind and also 'nesh'. I also remember my
> mother telling me not to 'queedle'(rock a chair back on to two legs) but I'm not
> sure she didn't just make this up.
"Nesh" is certainly understood by some folk from Nottamun.
My Dad (born, bred and lived all his life in Stoke) always
says "quiggle" not "queedle".
If I ever asked my Grandad what he was making he would say
"Leos for meddlers and crutches for lame ducks".
Anyone know what a "leo" is?
Tim Sharrock
<blac...@geocities.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:09:53 +0000 in uk.local.north-staffs, Tim Sharrock
>wrote:
>
>>
>>My mother (from Lancashire, not that far from Liverpool) uses
>>this (though I think of it as 'myther', usually in the form
>>"stop mythering me", with a meaning of bother/pester). Is this
>>the same word?
>
>It is indeed. Not /that/ local then, obviously. How about 'snappin'?
I do not recognise that one (assuming a different meaning to "snapping
twigs"
David Lowndes
>
>I do not recognise that one (assuming a different meaning to "snapping
>twigs"
Tim,
"snappin" is food - usually your lunch time butties.
Dave
Blade Runner
wrote:
>>It is indeed. Not /that/ local then, obviously. How about 'snappin'?
>
>I do not recognise that one (assuming a different meaning to "snapping
>twigs"
Yes, it means something to eat or lunch. Allegedly from 'snap-tin',a box used
by miners to carry food down the mine.
Peter Constantine
>Yes, it means something to eat or lunch. Allegedly from 'snap-tin',a box >used by miners to carry food down the mine.
That would explain why I have heard 'snap' and 'snappin' used regularly in
Doncaster and Barnsley.
I really like 'nesh' though... it seems to be used most often to describe
someone who is 'prone to feeling the cold'. There doesn't seem to be
another word in English that means the same as 'nesh' and I'm a great
believer in using one simple four letter word instead of a mouthful of
five!
'Nesh' actually turned up as a question in some 'Call My Bluff' style quiz
on R4 last year. It was described as a redundant word that fell out of use
a couple of centuries ago... I nearly phoned up to complain! Anyway, it was
described as sixteenth century meaning 'weak, feeble or effeminate'.
Constantine
x
[When it's half past six in London it's still 1820 in The Potteries...]
Tim Sharrock
(Peter Constantine) wrote:
>I really like 'nesh' though... it seems to be used most often to describe
>someone who is 'prone to feeling the cold'. There doesn't seem to be
>another word in English that means the same as 'nesh' and I'm a great
>believer in using one simple four letter word instead of a mouthful of
>five!
hmmm, a distinctly useful word - I must bring it into use before I move
up to Manchester....
Tim Willets
<je...@partn.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>I'd be interested to see a copy (or transcription) of your Chatterley
>Whitfield broadside.
the copy I have is a photocopy of the original, which I found years ago
while doing some work for the mining museum - they had it filed as a
"poem", but it's clearly a broadside.
I've got it filed somewhere - I'll see if I can locate it.
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Tim Willets
Nick Wagg
>
Hi Tim, we bump into one another yet again.
> On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:14:38 +0000, Blade Runner
> <blac...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:09:53 +0000 in uk.local.north-staffs, Tim Sharrock
> >wrote:
> I do not recognise that one (assuming a different meaning to "snapping
> twigs"
Packed lunch, and the paper it comes in is known as the
"snapping wrapping".
Peter Munn
2000
>I've never actually seen the word 'lozakin' written down. Is its
>unique to our area?
>
Well, Sheffield born and bred, I was 20 years old when I realised that
'nesh' - in the sense of describing someone's reaction to cold - was not
understood by everyone in these islands: I accused a girl from Dublin of
this trait and received a puzzled stare. I then did some casual
investigations amongst my fellow university students. My hazy
recollection (it is a good twenty years ago now) includes 'nesh' being
understood by people from various parts of the North West.
Another crucial dialect word from my upbringing was 'mardy'. I don't
know how parents can bring up kids without a word for this. I have met
it in several places in the Midlands, as far South as Coventry. But I
have friends from South Teesside who didn't understand it, so its
Northern limit seems to be somewhere in Yorkshire.
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2000
>Go to <http://mp3.com/jamesandsue/> to hear The Last Long Mile - a song by
>Sue Moffat about the closure of Silverdale pit.
<snip>
>John Kirkpatrick wrote a song called On The Road To Freedom, based on the
>story of a workers' march in 1842.
Mention of those songs reminds me that the 'Miners Wives' group, which
was formed after the 1984/85 strike, had quite a repertoire. I struggle
to remember whether any made explicit reference to North Staffordshire,
though I can't believe that none of them did. The one I _do_ remember
vividly was adapted on the refrain "What's a nice girl like you...
Doing in a place like this?" and was about how the strike had tranformed
their previously passive lives and seen them doing things and meeting
people that they'd never imagined themselves capable of.
Anyway, its nice to see that everyone has come up with lots of stuff
after the slow start this thread had. I was worried I might have to
suggest "One man went to Mow"!
Martin Underwood
>In uk.local.north-staffs I read Blade Runner's message of Wed, 8 Mar
>2000
>>I've never actually seen the word 'lozakin' written down. Is its
>>unique to our area?
I've not come across "lozakin" - what does it mean?
>>I think there are others too.
>>'Mithered' or 'maythered', springs to mind and also 'nesh'.
I'd spell and pronounce it "mithered". A very useful word.
>Well, Sheffield born and bred, I was 20 years old when I realised that
>'nesh' - in the sense of describing someone's reaction to cold - was not
>understood by everyone in these islands: I accused a girl from Dublin of
>this trait and received a puzzled stare. I then did some casual
>investigations amongst my fellow university students. My hazy
>recollection (it is a good twenty years ago now) includes 'nesh' being
>understood by people from various parts of the North West.
I'd say that "nesh" has a wider meaning that just "can't tolerate the cold".
I think it means anyone who's a bit soft, pampered and namby-pamby.
>Another crucial dialect word from my upbringing was 'mardy'. I don't
>know how parents can bring up kids without a word for this. I have met
>it in several places in the Midlands, as far South as Coventry. But I
>have friends from South Teesside who didn't understand it, so its
>Northern limit seems to be somewhere in Yorkshire.
Interesting that you say the people in Teesside didn't understand "mardy",
because the first time I ever heard this word was when it was used by a
Geordie! (For the benefit of foreign, readers, that's someone who comes from
Tyneside - specifically Newcastle area). Unfortunately she had teh same
problem as you had with "nesh" - she couldn't appreciate that it wasn't a
standard English word which was understood everywhere.
"Wazzock" (as in "he's a reet wazzock") is a lovely word that is a
delightful name to call someone - you can invest it with just the right
amount of invective! I suppose the midlands equivalent is "prannock".
geoff
Peter Munn <pmun...@pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In uk.local.north-staffs I read Blade Runner's message of Wed, 8 Mar
> 2000
> >I've never actually seen the word 'lozakin' written down. Is its
> >unique to our area?
> >
> >I think there are others too.
> >'Mithered' or 'maythered', springs to mind and also 'nesh'.
>
> Well, Sheffield born and bred, I was 20 years old when I realised that
> 'nesh' - in the sense of describing someone's reaction to cold - was not
> understood by everyone in these islands: I accused a girl from Dublin of
> this trait and received a puzzled stare. I then did some casual
> investigations amongst my fellow university students. My hazy
> recollection (it is a good twenty years ago now) includes 'nesh' being
> understood by people from various parts of the North West.
>
> Another crucial dialect word from my upbringing was 'mardy'. I don't
> know how parents can bring up kids without a word for this. I have met
> it in several places in the Midlands, as far South as Coventry. But I
> have friends from South Teesside who didn't understand it, so its
> Northern limit seems to be somewhere in Yorkshire.
Kris
>I've not come across "lozakin" - what does it mean?
A supine posture on a couch would fit that word - a la Andy Capp.
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Liam Gretton
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> Well, Sheffield born and bred, I was 20 years old when I realised that
> 'nesh' - in the sense of describing someone's reaction to cold - was not
> understood by everyone in these islands:
Nesh is a word I picked up from a girlfriend from Stoke. She had a few other
gems: filthy rammel and manky bism for someone who's rude or grotty,
respectively.
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Kris
>I'd say that "nesh" has a wider meaning that just "can't tolerate the cold".
>I think it means anyone who's a bit soft, pampered and namby-pamby.
In my (Stoke) childhood nesh was always to do with whining about the
discomforts of cold and wet - and there many such opportunities :-(
It has resonances in my mind with playing school football on the
(old?) Port Vale practice pitch in the middle of winter. Mardy
carries the meaning for being a pampered cry-baby.
"soft" meant gullible or lacking commonsense.
How widespread is "gansey" for some sort of jumper or shirt?
My own inherited dialect vocabulary is probably part Stoke, Butt
Lane, Biddulph Moor and Yorkshire.
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Blade Runner
>nother crucial dialect word from my upbringing was 'mardy'. I don't
>know how parents can bring up kids without a word for this. I have met
>it in several places in the Midlands, as far South as Coventry. But I
>have friends from South Teesside who didn't understand it, so its
>Northern limit seems to be somewhere in Yorkshire.
More often shortened to 'mard' in the North Staffs area and meaning a cry baby.
Lawrence
ut...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>>I'd say that "nesh" has a wider meaning that just "can't tolerate the cold".
>>I think it means anyone who's a bit soft, pampered and namby-pamby.
>
>
>How widespread is "gansey" for some sort of jumper or shirt?
I put this down to being a corruption of Guernsey i.e. similar to Jersey
because I think the different Channel Isles each had their own
distinctive style, or am I talking daft as usual.
>
> My own inherited dialect vocabulary is probably part Stoke, Butt
>Lane, Biddulph Moor and Yorkshire.
My previous dog was mongrel too. :*)
Regards
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Andy Carter
>delightful name to call someone - you can invest it with just the right
>amount of invective! I suppose the midlands equivalent is "prannock".
>
>
the very similar sounding Arabic word for shit-head. I could be wrong,
but looking at the amount of newsgroups this is spread across I can't
believe there are no Arabs reading this.
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Peter Constantine
>More often shortened to 'mard'...
...then appended with 'arse'!
x
Kris
>>How widespread is "gansey" for some sort of jumper or shirt?
>
>I put this down to being a corruption of Guernsey i.e. similar to Jersey
>because I think the different Channel Isles each had their own
>distinctive style, or am I talking daft as usual.
That was always my assumption but I *think* it is a false etymology
but can't remember what dispelled the notion.
Andrew Wells
Melton Mowbray and Grantham. My father was born in Yorkshire, and came down
to Lincolnshire as a boy; my mother was born in Nottingham, but spent part
of her childhood in Derbyshire.
I know wazzock and mardy, but none of the other words discussed in this
thread.
How about pikelet, owt, nowt, and the phrase "It's black over Bill's
mother's"?
Andrew
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WtM
>>
>>I think there are others too.
>>'Mithered' or 'maythered',
I understand this as being pestered..'don't meither me'
My mother used this when we were kids (!) in Bradford.
>springs to mind and also 'nesh'.
Heard this from Sheffield friends
>
>Another crucial dialect word from my upbringing was 'mardy'.
Mardy meaning grouchy and sulky...again familiar in West Yorks.
W
WtM
>
>
>>I've not come across "lozakin" - what does it mean?
>
Is it a variation on laiking...? Yorkshire term for idling (playing?)
WtM
stairs' (or something similar) mean exactly...? I would guess at a
'blow me down!' type interpretation!
W
Lindsay Endell
> In article <245kcs40aeijbu865...@4ax.com>, Kris <usenet8.a
> ut...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
> >>I'd say that "nesh" has a wider meaning that just "can't tolerate the cold".
> >>I think it means anyone who's a bit soft, pampered and namby-pamby.
> >
> Never heard of this here in Keighley, West Riding of Yorkshire.
> >
> >How widespread is "gansey" for some sort of jumper or shirt?
>
> I put this down to being a corruption of Guernsey i.e. similar to Jersey
> because I think the different Channel Isles each had their own
> distinctive style, or am I talking daft as usual.
Nope, you're right on target with that one. Some of the older pattern
books, the ones that first managed to get the knitters to describe
their patterns, give patterns for Ganseys and Guernseys. Ganseys were
knitted in the round to make mending easier as wool frayed. They also
often had the initials of the intended wearer knitted in, in case of
misadventure. A drowned man might not be recognisable when recovered,
but his jumper would be.
There. More than you ever wanted to know about Ganseys.
All of this is, of course, IIRC...
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Blade Runner
wrote:
>How about pikelet,
The well known 'sweet sister' to the oatcake, sold in many of North Staffs
oatcake shops.
Blade Runner
wrote:
>>More often shortened to 'mard'...
>
>...then appended with 'arse'!
Indeed <g>
Blade Runner
>>Another crucial dialect word from my upbringing was 'mardy'.
>
>
>Mardy meaning grouchy and sulky...again familiar in West Yorks.
More commonly a term for a cry baby round here, I always thought it derived from
marred, ie spoilt.
Kris
>How about pikelet, owt, nowt, and the phrase "It's black over Bill's
>mother's"?
That seems to be more widespread than I would have expected. Which
reminds me of an expression that must be very local to the North
Midlands "all round the Wrekin" as an expression for taking the long
way to get to somewhere.
The Wrekin being an extremely isolated hill in otherwise flat
landscape in Salop.
Kris
>...then appended with 'arse'!
Which used to refer to a kid who is the exact opposite of the
"streetwise" kid that my parents' generation refered to as "a little
b*gger"
* substitute your own vowel depending on whether you were brought up
posh with the bowdlerized version.
Paul
that you toasted and then buttered while hot so that the butter melted into
the holes. I came from Warwick.
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Blade Runner <blac...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:28:15 -0000 in uk.local.north-staffs, Andrew Wells
> wrote:
>
> >How about pikelet,
>
> The well known 'sweet sister' to the oatcake, sold in many of North Staffs
> oatcake shops.
>
>
>
Paul
it means to be moody and unco-operative. Like "mardy" only in a more
grown-up sense.
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Blade Runner <blac...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:44:03 GMT in uk.local.north-staffs, WtM wrote:
>
> >>Another crucial dialect word from my upbringing was 'mardy'.
> >
> >
> >Mardy meaning grouchy and sulky...again familiar in West Yorks.
>
> More commonly a term for a cry baby round here, I always thought it
derived from
> marred, ie spoilt.
>
>
>
Steve
Peter Munn wrote:
> In uk.local.north-staffs I read Blade Runner's message of Wed, 8 Mar
> 2000
> >I've never actually seen the word 'lozakin' written down. Is its
> >unique to our area?
> >
> >I think there are others too.
> >'Mithered' or 'maythered', springs to mind and also 'nesh'.
>
> Well, Sheffield born and bred, I was 20 years old when I realised that
> 'nesh' - in the sense of describing someone's reaction to cold - was not
> understood by everyone in these islands: I accused a girl from Dublin of
> this trait and received a puzzled stare. I then did some casual
> investigations amongst my fellow university students. My hazy
> recollection (it is a good twenty years ago now) includes 'nesh' being
> understood by people from various parts of the North West.
>
> Another crucial dialect word from my upbringing was 'mardy'. I don't
> know how parents can bring up kids without a word for this. I have met
> it in several places in the Midlands, as far South as Coventry. But I
> have friends from South Teesside who didn't understand it, so its
> Northern limit seems to be somewhere in Yorkshire.
The words "mard", "mither", "owt", "nowt" are still in common use around
here, which is the Tameside area, halfway between Manchester and the
Peninnes. Me mam often uses the words "nesh" and "gansey" too.
mard = a soft cry baby
mither = bother, trouble, etc
owt = anything
nowt = nothing
nesh = hates the cold
gansey = a jumper
My 4 year old lad often uses this modern term "well top", meaning great,
brilliant etc. I wondered if this is unique to this area?
Red Devil
Reading all these words make me think im not very local even thought Ive
lived her for 24 years lol.
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Ron Johnson
>
>How widespread is "gansey" for some sort of jumper or shirt?
>
Gansey is actually the Manx word for jumper or pullover,
We (in the Morecambe bay area) use it to mean a wooly sleeved garment
with buttons up the front and two pockets (Like Rigsby in Rising Damp)
Ron
Wendy Jervis
.force9.co.uk> writes
>How about pikelet, owt, nowt, and the phrase "It's black over Bill's
>mother's"?
I know all of the above coming from the sunny climes of Chesterfield in
Derbyshire.
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}
}The words "mard", "mither", "owt", "nowt" are still in common use around
}here, which is the Tameside area, halfway between Manchester and the
}Peninnes. Me mam often uses the words "nesh" and "gansey" too.
}mard = a soft cry baby
}mither = bother, trouble, etc
}owt = anything
}nowt = nothing
}nesh = hates the cold
}gansey = a jumper
}
}My 4 year old lad often uses this modern term "well top", meaning great,
}brilliant etc. I wondered if this is unique to this area?
}
mither. She also used to describe a stuffy room as "puthery". Anyone else
recognise that one?
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All of this in fluent Estuary English - Billericay being in Essex.
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>Snips to keep thread manageable>
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>mard = a soft cry baby
>mither = bother, trouble, etc
>owt = anything
>nowt = nothing
>nesh = hates the cold
>gansey = a jumper
I'm in N Wales, and mither is the only one of those used locally
(and not known to me from having lived in Sussex until 10 years ago).
owt and nowt are fairly well know. Some TV ad had a phrase about
" .... with nowt taken out " but the ad had little effect else
I'd remember the rest of the phrase I think ! Peter.
Glynn Bradley
<blac...@geocities.com> writes
>On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:28:15 -0000 in uk.local.north-staffs, Andrew Wells
>wrote:
>
>>How about pikelet,
>
>The well known 'sweet sister' to the oatcake, sold in many of North Staffs
>oatcake shops.
>
>
>
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>Peter Munn <pmun...@pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> Well, Sheffield born and bred,
...
>> Another crucial dialect word from my upbringing was 'mardy'. I don't
>> know how parents can bring up kids without a word for this. I have met
>> it in several places in the Midlands, as far South as Coventry. But I
>> have friends from South Teesside who didn't understand it,
>but i'm from the boro & i recognise it
My friends were from Guisborough, which looks hardly more than walking
distance away on my map. Perhaps they are just too posh there? (I'm
afraid I've never been to the area.)
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2000
>On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:44:03 GMT in uk.local.north-staffs, WtM wrote:
>>Mardy meaning grouchy and sulky...again familiar in West Yorks.
>
>More commonly a term for a cry baby round here, I always thought it derived from
>marred, ie spoilt.
That's the derivation my Collins dictionary gives [*]. The meanings are
closely related. Derek Whomersley's _Sheffieldish_ gives it as "easily
upset". I would say it described someone who is easily, trivially, or
over-dramatically upset. It was most often applied to young children,
but not exclusively so.
[*] Far better than Chambers for dialect coverage, at least when I last
compared the two.
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Peter Munn
Mar 2000
>I'd say that "nesh" has a wider meaning that just "can't tolerate the cold".
>I think it means anyone who's a bit soft, pampered and namby-pamby.
You'll have to tell us where your from, Martin, given that I cross-
posted this thread to rev it up a gear or two.
Mike Lownds
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Mike Lownds
Andrew Wells <nos...@wellinghall.force9.co.uk> wrote in message
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> How about pikelet, owt, nowt, and the phrase "It's black over Bill's
> mother's"?
>
Kris
>owt and nowt are fairly well know. Some TV ad had a phrase about
> " .... with nowt taken out " but the ad had little effect else
>I'd remember the rest of the phrase I think ! Peter.
Allinson's bread - trading on a wholesome northern honest image -
possibly in a smaller league than Hovis - but maybe that's what they
want us to think. :-)
Peter Munn
>owt and nowt are fairly well know.
Quite rightly so, too! They are dialect pronunciations of the good
older English words aught/ought and naught/nought.
The big question is whether you pronounce them as 'owt' and 'nowt' or
more like 'oat' and 'noat'.
Rob Overfield
Kris <usenet8...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> That seems to be more widespread than I would have expected. Which
> reminds me of an expression that must be very local to the North
> Midlands "all round the Wrekin" as an expression for taking the long
> way to get to somewhere.
>
> The Wrekin being an extremely isolated hill in otherwise flat
> landscape in Salop.
Great view from the top of it though, having been up to the top twice...
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Saw a T.V. prog about Ganseys last week, each east coast fishing village
had its own style, they said if they found the body of a fisherman they
could tell where he was from by the gansey.
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Stephen Murphy
say well top too , i'm from leigh, greater manchester
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Steve wrote in message <38CA6B05...@cwcom.net>...
>
>
>Peter Munn wrote:
>
>> In uk.local.north-staffs I read Blade Runner's message of Wed, 8 Mar
>> 2000
>> >I've never actually seen the word 'lozakin' written down. Is its
>> >unique to our area?
>> >
>> >I think there are others too.
>> >'Mithered' or 'maythered', springs to mind and also 'nesh'.
>>
>> Well, Sheffield born and bred, I was 20 years old when I realised that
>> 'nesh' - in the sense of describing someone's reaction to cold - was not
>> understood by everyone in these islands: I accused a girl from Dublin of
>> this trait and received a puzzled stare. I then did some casual
>> investigations amongst my fellow university students. My hazy
>> recollection (it is a good twenty years ago now) includes 'nesh' being
>> understood by people from various parts of the North West.
>>
>> Another crucial dialect word from my upbringing was 'mardy'. I don't
>> know how parents can bring up kids without a word for this. I have met
>> it in several places in the Midlands, as far South as Coventry. But I
>> have friends from South Teesside who didn't understand it, so its
>> Northern limit seems to be somewhere in Yorkshire.
>
>The words "mard", "mither", "owt", "nowt" are still in common use around
>here, which is the Tameside area, halfway between Manchester and the
>Peninnes. Me mam often uses the words "nesh" and "gansey" too.
>mard = a soft cry baby
>mither = bother, trouble, etc
>owt = anything
>nowt = nothing
>nesh = hates the cold
>gansey = a jumper
>
Allen
Mike Lownds wrote:
> Yes, that's used by the older people in Stoke
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> <zi...@strayduck.com> wrote in message
> news:38ca7f7d...@news.strayduck.com...
> > She also used to describe a stuffy room as "puthery". Anyone else
> > recognise that one?
> > --
> > ziggy
Hey Mike great to see you m8 !
Didn't know you described yourself as older folk ;-)
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Stephen Murphy wrote:
>
> I thought mither was a just a normal english word is it not?????? anyway I
> say well top too , i'm from leigh, greater manchester
I always assumed it came from 'murder', mither was my mams favourite
when pestered by my overposting. ;-)
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A man isn't old when his thoughts do stray,
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>In article <245kcs40aeijbu865...@4ax.com>, Kris <usenet8.a
>ut...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>> My own inherited dialect vocabulary is probably part Stoke, Butt
>>Lane, Biddulph Moor and Yorkshire.
>
>My previous dog was mongrel too. :*)
Hah! That's positively inbred. Try north Cheshire, Kent and Yorkshire
Dales mixed up.... no wonder a certain ULYgan once said to me, "what kind of
sodding accent is that?!"
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>What's does that Lancs expression: 'Get thee to the bottom of our
>stairs' (or something similar) mean exactly...?
F*** off?
<Good Morning Vietnam>
"'Hawke sucks the sweat from a dead man's balls.' I have no idea what that
means, sir, but it sounds negative to me."
</Good Morning Vietnam>
Steve
Stephen Murphy wrote:
> I thought mither was a just a normal english word is it not?????? anyway I
> say well top too , i'm from leigh, greater manchester
>
You must be a nipper too, eh? ; )
Rob J
Mike Lownds <mi...@removespam.lownds.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Yes, that's used by the older people in Stoke
Never heard of that one Mike, perhaps I'm not as old as I think I am. :)
Rob J.
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>> Yes, that's used by the older people in Stoke
>
>Never heard of that one Mike, perhaps I'm not as old as I think I am. :)
I have :o(
Rob J
Blade Runner <blac...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:18:26 -0000 in uk.local.north-staffs, Rob J wrote:
>
> >> Yes, that's used by the older people in Stoke
> >
> >Never heard of that one Mike, perhaps I'm not as old as I think I am. :)
>
> I have :o(
Oh dear :o(
Mike Lownds
I wasn't talking about myself, as such, but I am now 40, you know :-(
You really must get rid of that mcmail and move to cwcom.net :-)
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Mike Lownds
As for you not being as old as you think, I'm too much of a gentleman to
comment <g>
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Rob J <robj...@nsoul.nospam.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Lownds <mi...@removespam.lownds.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:8aea2o$gav$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Yes, that's used by the older people in Stoke
>
> Never heard of that one Mike, perhaps I'm not as old as I think I am.
:)
>
Allen
40 eh ! Thats old ! Next thing you know you'll be in a rocking chair like
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Mike Lownds wrote:
> Hi Allen, long time no speak.
>
> I wasn't talking about myself, as such, but I am now 40, you know :-(
>
> You really must get rid of that mcmail and move to cwcom.net :-)
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Chris Morriss
<l...@star.le.ac.uk> writes
>In article <5lrnXCAm...@pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk>, Peter Munn
><URL:mailto:pmun...@pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Well, Sheffield born and bred, I was 20 years old when I realised that
>> 'nesh' - in the sense of describing someone's reaction to cold - was not
>> understood by everyone in these islands:
>
>gems: filthy rammel and manky bism for someone who's rude or grotty,
>respectively.
>
Rammel always meant the sort of junk that you collect but never use. Or
at least as a child near Ripley in Derbyshire my mother never tired of
telling me to 'get rid of that rammel'.
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Martin Underwood
>In article <38ca3216...@news.nottingham.ac.uk>,
afx...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote:
>>What's does that Lancs expression: 'Get thee to the bottom of our
>>stairs' (or something similar) mean exactly...?
>
>F*** off?
Contrast this with the more well-know Yorkshire-ism: "Well I'll go to the
foot of our stairs!" which means "Well, I'll be buggered" ie "I'm very
surprised at that". Another expression with the same meaning is "Well bugger
me to Batley and back".
Red Devil
but then again being rich can buy you sex ad drink and food lol
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world will never hurt me.
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"Simon Wilkinson" <Dr...@thegeegees.screaming.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:05:36 -0000, "Red Devil"
> <RedD...@Cableinet.com.uk> wrote:
>
> >Sticks and stones my break my bones, but purile jealousy aimed towards
the
> >most sucessful team in the last 10 years plus being the richest club in
the
> >world will never hurt me.
>
> so...it is true then...money can't buy happiness
> --
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>
>
bigegg
"Martin Underwood" <martin.u...@virgin.net> wrote:
> "Well I'll go to the
> foot of our stairs!" which means "Well, I'll be buggered" ie "I'm very
> surprised at that". Another expression with the same meaning is "Well bugger
> me to Batley and back".
>
>
The modern equivalent of which I heard just yesterday:
'Well, fuck me with a chainsaw'
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s...@bottom.of.message
>Blade Runner wrote:
>>
>> 'Mithered' or 'maythered', springs to mind and also 'nesh'. I also remember my
>> mother telling me not to 'queedle'(rock a chair back on to two legs) but I'm not
>> sure she didn't just make this up.
>
>"Nesh" is certainly understood by some folk from Nottamun.
>My Dad (born, bred and lived all his life in Stoke) always
>says "quiggle" not "queedle".
>
>If I ever asked my Grandad what he was making he would say
>"Leos for meddlers and crutches for lame ducks".
>Anyone know what a "leo" is?
My great grandmother (I am 60) used to say "keholes for meddlers...ect
Arocking on chair on two legs is "kiggeling"
s...@bottom.of.message
"puthery"
It describes the oppressive warm, humid or still and close weather
conditions that sometimes arise prior to a summer thunder storm.
Liam Gretton
<URL:mailto:big...@hardboiled.org.uk> wrote:
> The modern equivalent of which I heard just yesterday:
>
> 'Well, fuck me with a chainsaw'
That's such a charming phrase, I'll have to adopt it for everyday use ;-)
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Liam Gretton <l...@star.le.ac.uk> wrote:
> In article <b361509e49%big...@hardboiled.org.uk>, bigegg
> <URL:mailto:big...@hardboiled.org.uk> wrote:
> > The modern equivalent of which I heard just yesterday:
> >
> > 'Well, fuck me with a chainsaw'
>
> That's such a charming phrase, I'll have to adopt it for everyday use ;-)
>
:.)
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I was amazed when I used the word 'Ginnel' in mid-Cheshire and got blank
stares. The word originates in N Manchester (I think) - anyone else know
what it means?