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>Is the charging working to decrease the traffic levels?
Yes.
Is this a serious question or are you a Troll?
1-Tel
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London to see relatives, I'm still a sucker for driving into town.
What are the car parks like.........more spaces?
Seanie O'Kilfyle
"1-Tel" <info@-nospamandstuff-1-tel.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Tristán White" <Trista...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> news:q3is5v4qtmb9keoas...@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:28:08 -0000, "1-Tel"
> > <info@-nospamandstuff-1-tel.co.uk> wrote:
> > >Is the charging working to decrease the traffic levels?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Is this a serious question or are you a Troll?
> No serious question, I live in the South West and commute occasionally to
> London to see relatives, I'm still a sucker for driving into town.
>
> What are the car parks like.........more spaces?
>
I parked up today in a surface car park off Southwark Street SE1
car park was 3 quarters full but it is a quiet time of year !
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> In article <6ps7a.27471$UU2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, at Thu,
> 27 Feb 2003 18:02:22 -0000, info@-nospamandstuff-1-tel.co.uk says...
> > "Tristán White" <Trista...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:q3is5v4qtmb9keoas...@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:28:08 -0000, "1-Tel"
> > > <info@-nospamandstuff-1-tel.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >Is the charging working to decrease the traffic levels?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > Is this a serious question or are you a Troll?
> > No serious question, I live in the South West and commute occasionally
to
> > London to see relatives, I'm still a sucker for driving into town.
> >
> > What are the car parks like.........more spaces?
>
> Especially on a Friday night.
>
> Congestion charge fans would no doubt have us levy a charge on the M25
> and A406 making it pretty much impossible to move East/West West/East
> without shelling out more ŁŁŁ's.
Yep, I suppose this puts more strain on the North and South Circ!
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> Is the charging working to decrease the traffic levels?
It was half term for the first two weeks, this monday coming might see a
different picture.
(one friend had children out first week, another friend had the out second
week)
People are trying alternatives, or parking outside the zone and going in.
The better question would be "has traffice reduced going into London" and
"what is parking like outside the zone"
Peter Wilkin
"Peter Kirby" <peter...@aworld.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Nope, the M25 car park/roundabout combo has less spaces than ever now.
> Especially on a Friday night.
Is that the NCP M25 rotary carpark ?
All routes were bad on friday, this monday should see a better picture of
what it will be like
I pity the poor people who live just outside the zone
Seanie O'Kilfyle
"Peter Wilkin" <p...@orbitsville.net.NOSPAM> wrote in message
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I'm fairly certain that Tuesday is when mostWest London schools go back ?
Seanie O'Kilfyle
> "Seanie O'Kilfyle" <Se...@Sean.com> wrote in message
> news:lVt7a.261$dY2...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
> >
> > "1-Tel" <info@-nospamandstuff-1-tel.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:6ps7a.27471$UU2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > > "Tristán White" <Trista...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:q3is5v4qtmb9keoas...@4ax.com...
> > > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:28:08 -0000, "1-Tel"
> > > > <info@-nospamandstuff-1-tel.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > >Is the charging working to decrease the traffic levels?
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > > Is this a serious question or are you a Troll?
> > > No serious question, I live in the South West and commute occasionally
> to
> > > London to see relatives, I'm still a sucker for driving into town.
> > >
> > > What are the car parks like.........more spaces?
> > >
> >
> > I parked up today in a surface car park off Southwark Street SE1
> >
> > car park was 3 quarters full but it is a quiet time of year !
> >
>
>
> Thanks
>
And heres another tip
I did not allow £5 to be robbed from my wallet for the pleasure of driving
into Londons CONgestion "charge" zone
The car park on Southwark street is about half a mile inside the CONgestion
zone
If you approach it from the east via crucifix lane and do a left/right
across Borough High Street you avoid all of mad Kens Big Brother CONgestion
cameras
Parking is only £3 for up to 2 hours and £5 all day
Bargain !
tosspot
"Seanie O'Kilfyle" <Se...@Sean.com> wrote in message
ah, i'll make a note to adjust my curriculum for the spring changes.
do they go back a whole lesson ?
Seanie O'Kilfyle
"tosspot" <t...@seabird.no> wrote in message
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Only if their classroom is situated at yon end of the International date
line
izzit
John of Aix
> "tosspot" <t...@seabird.no> wrote in message
> news:b3qnsd$1orsei$1...@ID-163603.news.dfncis.de...
>>
>> "Seanie O'Kilfyle" <Se...@Sean.com> wrote in message
>> news:dg48a.121$B85...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
>>> I'm fairly certain that Tuesday is when mostWest London schools go
>>> back ?
>>
>> ah, i'll make a note to adjust my curriculum for the spring
changes.
>> do they go back a whole lesson ?
>>
>>
>
> Only if their classroom is situated at yon end of the International
> date line
Dear Sir
In my opinion they don't beat children often enough these days.
Yours
Col Buffy Witwatersrand-Wallis (Ret'd)
Seanie O'Kilfyle
"John of Aix" <j.murph...@libertysurf.fr> wrote in message
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Daily Mirror ?
Tristán White
wrote:
>I parked up today in a surface car park off Southwark Street SE1
>car park was 3 quarters full but it is a quiet time of year !
Hey I work about 1 minute from there. Should have sent me an e-mail,
could have met up for a pint.
Tristán White
<peter...@aworld.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Nope, the M25 car park/roundabout combo has less spaces than ever now.
>Especially on a Friday night.
>
>Congestion charge fans would no doubt have us levy a charge on the M25
>and A406 making it pretty much impossible to move East/West West/East
>without shelling out more ŁŁŁ's.
A406 should be a fiver Congestion charge, and existing zone should be
a tenner in my opinion.
People living in the outer zone though must get the 80% exemption for
their own area, and qualify for perhaps a 30% exemption on the central
one.
Seanie O'Kilfyle
A pint Tris ?
Surely you're not encouraging drink driving whilst CONgestion Charge dodging
are you ?
Next time I'm there I'll drop you a line, and maybe travel by cab so I can
have a poynt or six
Innit
rickety
> In article <6ps7a.27471$UU2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, at
> Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:02:22 -0000, info@-nospamandstuff-1-tel.co.uk
> says...
>> news:q3is5v4qtmb9keoas...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:28:08 -0000, "1-Tel"
>>> <info@-nospamandstuff-1-tel.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Is the charging working to decrease the traffic levels?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Is this a serious question or are you a Troll?
>> No serious question, I live in the South West and commute
>> occasionally to London to see relatives, I'm still a sucker for
>> driving into town.
>>
>> What are the car parks like.........more spaces?
>
> Especially on a Friday night.
>
> Congestion charge fans would no doubt have us levy a charge on the M25
> and A406 making it pretty much impossible to move East/West West/East
> without shelling out more ŁŁŁ's.
Careful how you speak. A Toronto (pronounced Trawna) highway (#407) was
"sold" to a consortium that collects the tolls and has one of the best
cost/profit ratios in the country.
They can "up" the (electronically collected) tolls until the traffic density
drops, then they get penalised. So while the non-toll routes look like the
M25 during rush hour, the toll routes have a slowly increasing traffic load
that makes an F1 race around Nurburgring look busy. But the density is
slowly increasing.
It's an interesting concept, because people are obviously willing and able
to pay for the "luxury" of travelling the 407. I wish I'd bought shares!
Meanwhile the politicians get ever increasing complaints about the non-toll
roads (like the 401 that at some points boasts 20 lanes across 4
carriageways), and when they try to point out that people can use the 407
are told it's too expensive!
--
Rickety
Karl
> the road infrastructure and then levy a public transport congestion
> charge in areas where public transport gets really busy of Ł5 per day
> for anyone that wants to travel through that area. The money made from
> there could be used to improve public transport (some of that including
> the roads - since last time I checked buses use them too). I think
> that's a much fairer way of solving the problem rather than leeching off
> drivers to pay for everything.
FYI, there has always been a congestion charge on public transport.
Tube journey in zone 2: Ł1
Tube journey from zone 2 into zone 1: Ł2
Bus journey in outer London: 70p
Bus journey in centre: Ł1
Tristán White
wrote:
>A pint Tris ?
>Surely you're not encouraging drink driving whilst CONgestion Charge dodging
>are you ?
>Next time I'm there I'll drop you a line, and maybe travel by cab so I can
>have a poynt or six
>Innit
LOL I use the tube. :-)
Seanie O'Kilfyle
> In article <hni66v4cdu91cce5s...@4ax.com>, at Mon, 03 Mar
> 2003 12:32:08 +0000, Trista...@rocketmail.com says...
> the road infrastructure and then levy a public transport congestion
> charge in areas where public transport gets really busy of Ł5 per day
> for anyone that wants to travel through that area. The money made from
> there could be used to improve public transport (some of that including
> the roads - since last time I checked buses use them too). I think
> that's a much fairer way of solving the problem rather than leeching off
> drivers to pay for everything.
>
Like it
Like it
Seanie O'Kilfyle
"rickety" <rick...@knickers.iname.com> wrote in message
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So you've never travelled the M25 as far as the Dartford Crossing then ?
It's a pound each way, you have to stop to pay and YES
It has no effect on traffic other than to bottleneck it
Peter Kirby
karlpe...@yahoo.com says...
> "Peter Kirby" <peter...@aworld.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > I think they should re-use all the congestion charge money on improving
> > the road infrastructure and then levy a public transport congestion
> > for anyone that wants to travel through that area. The money made from
> > there could be used to improve public transport (some of that including
> > the roads - since last time I checked buses use them too). I think
> > that's a much fairer way of solving the problem rather than leeching off
> > drivers to pay for everything.
>
> FYI, there has always been a congestion charge on public transport.
>
> Tube journey from zone 2 into zone 1: £2
>
> Bus journey in outer London: 70p
Sounds good. I am just suggesting we bring congestion charges in line
with others. Once you buy a ticket into zone 1 you must buy a day
congestion pass for £5 which you can use as many times as you like in
that day.
Sounds fairer to me.. Otherwise we should reduce the car congestion
charge to £1.
Peter Kirby
Se...@Sean.com says...
Try that big fecker of a bridge taking you into Wales. Ł4.50 but it is
actually worth it in time/petrol saved rather than going round (which is
probably some 30+ miles at least). Most people agree with me having been
in a queue for those tolls during rush hour!
Congestion charge = bollocks because it effects me when I have no
intention of traveling into the city. I thought the traffic on the
approaches to the current congestion zone were worse than the queues
inside. They are probably worse. What is fecked by (IMO) the congestion
zone is more traffic pushed out onto the A406/M25 which is my road of
choice (depending on traffic on the day).
People who suggest the A406/M25 need a congestion charge.. I'll pay it
if these people stand in front of my speeding car!
Seanie O'Kilfyle
The Seven Bridge, one of my favourites
> taking you into Wales. Ł4.50 but it is
> actually worth it in time/petrol saved rather than going round (which is
> probably some 30+ miles at least).
Right you are, it is a veritable bargain, and you can get upto 130mph on the
bridge before you need to slow for the JamSandwich on the Welsh side
AND you only pay once, you can leave Wales for free !
It has always occured to me that it would be more of an incentive to pay to
LEAVE Wales rather than pay to enter it, I can just picture the countless
meeting that decided on that one
Most people agree with me having been
> in a queue for those tolls during rush hour!
>
> Congestion charge = bollocks because it effects me when I have no
> intention of traveling into the city. I thought the traffic on the
> approaches to the current congestion zone were worse than the queues
> inside. They are probably worse. What is fecked by (IMO) the congestion
> zone is more traffic pushed out onto the A406/M25 which is my road of
> choice (depending on traffic on the day).
>
> People who suggest the A406/M25 need a congestion charge.. I'll pay it
> if these people stand in front of my speeding car!
*LOL* me too
*Fitting bull bars to the wifes RX300*
Innit
Karl
> >
> > Tube journey in zone 2: £1
> > Tube journey from zone 2 into zone 1: £2
> >
> > Bus journey in outer London: 70p
> > Bus journey in centre: £1
>
> Sounds good. I am just suggesting we bring congestion charges in line
> with others. Once you buy a ticket into zone 1 you must buy a day
> congestion pass for £5 which you can use as many times as you like in
> that day.
>
> Sounds fairer to me.. Otherwise we should reduce the car congestion
> charge to £1.
Agreed, let's reduce the car charge to £1, but only on the condition that
car users occupy the same amount of road space as bus users. Let's use as an
example a number 52 bus occupying about 50 sq m of road space, and on
average during busy periods containing 100 people. Therefore, cars that
occupy 0.5sq m of road space (or less) can qualify for the reduced charge of
£1.
This will create a whole new line in miniature, eco-friendly cars, along
with a new breed of genetically modified, tiny commuters. To encourage this
trend, any adult under 3 ft tall should also get free bus and tube travel.
This may also solve the world's overpopulation problem.
vjc
wrote:
>This will create a whole new line in miniature, eco-friendly cars, along
>with a new breed of genetically modified, tiny commuters. To encourage this
>trend, any adult under 3 ft tall should also get free bus and tube travel.
Well they should have to travel in the glove compartment, if you ask
me.
--
Vee
I am convinced ginger ale can heal the sick
and raise the dead
Peter Kirby
karlpe...@yahoo.com says...
> "Peter Kirby" <peter...@aworld.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.18ce9c248...@news.claranews.com...
> > In article <3e639952$0$19312$afc3...@news.easynet.co.uk>,
> > karlpe...@yahoo.com says...
> > > FYI, there has always been a congestion charge on public transport.
> > >
> > > Tube journey in zone 2: £1
> > > Tube journey from zone 2 into zone 1: £2
> > >
> > > Bus journey in outer London: 70p
> > > Bus journey in centre: £1
> >
> > Sounds good. I am just suggesting we bring congestion charges in line
> > with others. Once you buy a ticket into zone 1 you must buy a day
> > congestion pass for £5 which you can use as many times as you like in
> > that day.
> >
> > Sounds fairer to me.. Otherwise we should reduce the car congestion
> > charge to £1.
>
> Agreed, let's reduce the car charge to £1, but only on the condition that
> car users occupy the same amount of road space as bus users. Let's use as an
> example a number 52 bus occupying about 50 sq m of road space, and on
> average during busy periods containing 100 people. Therefore, cars that
> occupy 0.5sq m of road space (or less) can qualify for the reduced charge of
> £1.
Space isn't the reason the charge is levied, rather because there is
congestion on the roads. I am suggesting there is the same congestion on
public transport and the charge should be levied equally there.
By your method should you be the unlucky git being the only passenger on
a bus you would be paying a charge of £50!
Peter Kirby
>
> "Peter Kirby" <peter...@aworld.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.18cea22d3...@news.claranews.com...
>
> The Seven Bridge, one of my favourites
Severn. 3 miles or so long that one!
> > taking you into Wales. £4.50 but it is
> > actually worth it in time/petrol saved rather than going round (which is
> > probably some 30+ miles at least).
>
> Right you are, it is a veritable bargain, and you can get upto 130mph on the
> bridge before you need to slow for the JamSandwich on the Welsh side
Shit I'd not suggest you do 130 on a windy day.. Get blown around enuff
at my cruising speed of 110mph... Errr I meant kph honest (cough cough)
> AND you only pay once, you can leave Wales for free !
>
> It has always occured to me that it would be more of an incentive to pay to
> LEAVE Wales rather than pay to enter it, I can just picture the countless
> meeting that decided on that one
Hehe.
> > Congestion charge = bollocks because it effects me when I have no
> > intention of traveling into the city. I thought the traffic on the
> > approaches to the current congestion zone were worse than the queues
> > inside. They are probably worse. What is fecked by (IMO) the congestion
> > zone is more traffic pushed out onto the A406/M25 which is my road of
> > choice (depending on traffic on the day).
> >
> > People who suggest the A406/M25 need a congestion charge.. I'll pay it
> > if these people stand in front of my speeding car!
>
> *LOL* me too
>
> *Fitting bull bars to the wifes RX300*
No poison tipped spikes?
I think the whole notion of a congestion charge is dodgy at best, I mean
it is only a small percentage of people that are going to be out driving
for pleasure during a week day. So these people still have to get to
their destination. So the surrounding roads are gonna suck.. I notice
the traffic news don't seem to dwell on roads leading into the
congestion zone tho. Only that those inside the zone are clearer. Heh.
Seanie O'Kilfyle
"vjc" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:49:17 -0000, "Karl" <karlpe...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >This will create a whole new line in miniature, eco-friendly cars, along
> >with a new breed of genetically modified, tiny commuters. To encourage
this
> >trend, any adult under 3 ft tall should also get free bus and tube
travel.
>
>
> Well they should have to travel in the glove compartment, if you ask
> me.
> --
Dear Van
Please do not feed the Trolls !
Thanks
Seanie O'Kilfyle
That'll teach him
The communist feck
Seanie O'Kilfyle
Aye
Mad Ken spent tens of millions on *above the line* media ads to promte his
CONgestion charge
The media owners are now placed in a position where they can't be too harsh
on their "client"
Izerntit
vjc
wrote:
>> >This will create a whole new line in miniature, eco-friendly cars, along
>> >with a new breed of genetically modified, tiny commuters. To encourage
>this
>> >trend, any adult under 3 ft tall should also get free bus and tube
>travel.
>>
>> Well they should have to travel in the glove compartment, if you ask
>> me.
>
>Please do not feed the Trolls !
>
>Thanks
>
It was only a glove. Finger food's not much.
Karl
news:_u59a.567$z56.70875@newsfep2-gui...
Dear Seanie - a troll is *not* defined as a relevant response to a thread.
Methinks you somewhat confused.
I await your usual irrelevant but hilarious response (hilarious being
defined as replying in a funny Irish accent).
innit
Karl
You think that congestion and "lack of space" mean different things? Pray,
do tell.
Karl
> That'll teach him
>
> The communist feck
Ooh - your comic use of words such a "feck", "eedjit" and "hactually" gets
me in stitches every time.
Peter Kirby
They mean totally different things in fact. They may or may not be
related which is probably what you meant I assume?
Personally I don't give a damn about the central London charge. Myself,
when I want to go to the city (on the rare occasion that I do) I use the
tube having a mainline BR station at the end of my street is handy for
this. However crap ideas like extending the zone onto the A406 and god
forbid tolls on the M25, this just ruins it for us that use the roads to
make longer journeys only part of which is getting the hell across the
town.
But I can see I won't sway you. You seem to have an irrational hatred of
any car! Now I'd agree with those 4x4 drivers.......
Seanie O'Kilfyle
"Karl" <karlpe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sutures ?
Looks like me mate Mad Fan has already bitchslapped you on my behalf
izzit
Peter Kirby
peter...@aworld.demon.co.uk says...
> Personally I don't give a damn about the central London charge. Myself,
> when I want to go to the city (on the rare occasion that I do) I use the
> tube having a mainline BR station at the end of my street is handy for
> this. However crap ideas like extending the zone onto the A406 and god
> forbid tolls on the M25, this just ruins it for us that use the roads to
> make longer journeys only part of which is getting the hell across the
> town.
Actually I should say I wouldn't give a damn about the central London
charge if it weren't for the fact that the congestion charge already (so
far) seems to be impacting these roads seriously already.
Seanie O'Kilfyle
Yer arse !
Seanie O'Kilfyle
Pray don't
Go way
Off wid yer
Trolling feckbrain
Karl
Pray,
> > do tell.
>
> They mean totally different things in fact. They may or may not be
> related which is probably what you meant I assume?
Here's the Chambers dictionary definition for "congest": "to excessively
crowd or become excessively crowded. "
> Personally I don't give a damn about the central London charge. Myself,
> when I want to go to the city (on the rare occasion that I do) I use the
> tube having a mainline BR station at the end of my street is handy for
> this. However crap ideas like extending the zone onto the A406 and god
> forbid tolls on the M25, this just ruins it for us that use the roads to
> make longer journeys only part of which is getting the hell across the
> town.
>
> But I can see I won't sway you. You seem to have an irrational hatred of
> any car! Now I'd agree with those 4x4 drivers.......
I've been a car driver in London for a long time. I've almost always owned a
car, but have gone without for the past 2 years - and found life much better
this way. I don't hate cars - but cars and pleasant cities don't go
together. The choice for London is large-scale demolition or traffic
reduction. I favour the latter.
Karl
Seanie, I keep trying to explain - writing on-subject posts is *not*
trolling. Now write 100 lines.
Seanie O'Kilfyle
>> > >
> > > You think that congestion and "lack of space" mean different things?
> Pray,
> > > do tell.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Pray don't
> >
> > Go way
> >
> > Off wid yer
> >
> > Trolling feckbrain
>
> Seanie, I keep trying to explain - writing on-subject posts is *not*
> trolling. Now write 100 lines.
>
>
Yer Arse !
Peter Kirby
karlpe...@yahoo.com says...
> "Peter Kirby" <peter...@aworld.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > You think that congestion and "lack of space" mean different things?
> Pray,
> > > do tell.
> >
> > They mean totally different things in fact. They may or may not be
> > related which is probably what you meant I assume?
>
> Here's the Chambers dictionary definition for "congest": "to excessively
> crowd or become excessively crowded. "
My point was more of a pedantic point (which is perfect for usenet ;-))
you can have lots of space and yet it can still be congested.
Call me Pete the pedant.
> > Personally I don't give a damn about the central London charge. Myself,
> > when I want to go to the city (on the rare occasion that I do) I use the
> > tube having a mainline BR station at the end of my street is handy for
> > this. However crap ideas like extending the zone onto the A406 and god
> > forbid tolls on the M25, this just ruins it for us that use the roads to
> > make longer journeys only part of which is getting the hell across the
> > town.
> >
> > But I can see I won't sway you. You seem to have an irrational hatred of
> > any car! Now I'd agree with those 4x4 drivers.......
>
> I've been a car driver in London for a long time. I've almost always owned a
> car, but have gone without for the past 2 years - and found life much better
> this way. I don't hate cars - but cars and pleasant cities don't go
> together. The choice for London is large-scale demolition or traffic
> reduction. I favour the latter.
Tried the A406/M25 to traverse one side of London to another on a Friday
lately? It used to be crap - it is now 100times worse. So the logical
answer (according to some) is to congestion charge those roads too. But
people like me still need to make that same journey. I'll pay the charge
only when the cost is effective in time/petrol (as is the case with the
severn crossing) compared to any other alternative route, but at that
point so will everyone else make the same decision and guess what? Yep
congestion is back again! See the problem?
The only time traffic will then go down is if the charge is run up so
high that the working class cannot afford it anymore in which case you
will have the elite still on the road in their mercs and the working
class not daring to leave the house in the car because they just cannot
afford to get snapped by a 1984esque camera!