Anyone know any Cockney rhyming slang?
Martin W M Bryant
In article <+i7pWCAs...@futureim.demon.co.uk>, Pete Bennett (pm...@futureim.demon.co.uk) writes:
>Folks,
>
>Most of my overseas visitors are fascinated by the above but, being from
>the Midlands originally, I only know a few phases :-
>
> Dog & bone
> Trouble and strife
> Apples and pears
>
>Can anyone help me out with a few more pls?
>
>Thanks
>
>--
>Kind Regards,
> Pete Bennett (pm...@futureim.demon.co.uk http://www.futureim.demon.co.uk)
>
> Future Implications Japanese Language Services - Surrey, England
>
> Telephone +44 (0)181 661 7699
there are plently of books for you to study
try
sausage me a gregory >
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Sats & Mondays
Colin Harris
Well, don't let the Sussex bit in the sig put you off, I grew up in
North London, and so know a few
Adam & Eve - Believe
Alan Wickers - Knickers
Barclays Bank - Wank
City Banker - Wanker
Barnet Fair - Hair
Boat Race - Face
Bow & Arrow - Barrow
Bristol Cities (Bristols) - Titties
Brown Bread - Dead
Butchers Hook (ave a butcher's) - Look
China Plate (me 'ol china) - Mate
Current Bun - Sun
Dickey Dirt - Shirt
Gregory Peck - Neck
Half Inch - Pinch
Hampton Wick (work it out!)
House (or pony) & Trap - Crap
Irish Jig - Wig
Iron Hoof - Pouf
Jam Jar - Car
Jimmy Riddle - Piddle
Khyber Pass - Arse
Loaf of Bread (use your loaf) - Head
Mince Pies - Eyes
North & South - Mouth
Oily Rag - Fag
Ones & Twoes - Shoes
Peckham Rye - Tie
Pen & Ink - Stink
Pig's Ear - Beer
Porky Pies - Lies
Richard the 3rd - Turd
Rock'n'Roll - Dole
Rosie Lee - Tea
Rub'a'Dub - Pub
Ruby Murry - Curry
Syrup of Fig - Wig
Taters (in the mould) - Cold
Tea Leaf - Thief
Thri-penny Bits - Shits or Tits
Tick Tock - Clock
Tom Dick - Sick
Touble & Strife - Wife
Two & Eight - State
Uncle Ted - Bed
Vera Lynn - Gin
Whistle & Flute - Suit
Monkey - 500
Ton- 100
Pony - 25
Score - 20
There are many more, but this took half an hour!
Cheers,
Colin Harris. West Sussex, UK.
Email address Co...@harrisc.demon.co.uk
Web Site www.harrisc.demon.co.uk
Roland Perry
In article <33f2bc2d...@news.demon.co.uk>, Colin Harris
<Emai...@sig.file> writes
>Brown Bread - Dead
>Butchers Hook (ave a butcher's) - Look
>China Plate (me 'ol china) - Mate
>Current Bun - Sun
What's always worried me is the way some of these terms seem "right" if
you use just the first word, but others need both.
You are showing this in your examples: where it sounds right to say "Me
old China", rather than "Me old china plate", but to say "He's Brown",
rather than "He's Brown Bread" doesn't.
Does anyone know if there's any underlying rule here?
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Colin Harris
phil....@telcore.demon.co.uk (phil henry) wrote:
>>Alan Wickers - Knickers
>
>etc
>
>also http://www.morrison.demon.co.uk/cockney/rhyming2.html
You mean I could have just copied (or not bothered!) ??
Colin Harris
phil....@telcore.demon.co.uk (phil henry) wrote:
>>You mean I could have just copied (or not bothered!) ??
>
>note the "also". I appreciate your posting.
Thanks. Just had a look at your site. Very good. There's rhyming slang
there I'd never heard of. Like the villans slang bit.
Cheers, Colin.
Bill Longley
Colin Harris <Emai...@sig.file> wrote
>>do you know the words to 'Oranges and lemons' too? I am trying to
>>remember all the churches.
>
>No I'm afraid not. I only remeber the first two lines, from the times
>I heard it as a kid, but that's it.
I seem to recall four, but they may be wrong, and I don't know how many
lines there actually are....
"Oranges and Lemons", say the bells of St Clements
"I owe you five farthings", say the bells of St Martins
"When will you pay me?", say the bells of Old Bailey
"When I grow rich" say the bells of Shoreditch.
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David Bridges
In article <33f2e835...@news.demon.co.uk>, phil henry <phil.henry@
telcore.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>also http://www.morrison.demon.co.uk/cockney/rhyming2.html
...and
http://www.embl-hamburg.de/~Peter/cockney-faq.html
http://ncrbsa.bio.nrc.ca/~Foote/cockney.html
Curious that these two sites aren't in the uk domain.
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correctly - if not, apologies & you can easily locate the sites with
Yahoo.
Colin Harris
Deborah Pengelly <deb...@pendragn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>do you know the words to 'Oranges and lemons' too? I am trying to
>remember all the churches.
No I'm afraid not. I only remeber the first two lines, from the times
I heard it as a kid, but that's it.
Actually I just did a search in Yahoo, and there are quite a few sites
with the slang, so I need not have bothered.
I would like to point out, that I don't think of myself as a cockney
(and I don't really speak like one). I don't think being born in St
Thomas's counts. Although the Bow Bells are in Bow church on Cheapside
in the city, and NOT in the Bow part of the East End, as most people
think. I just picked them up over the years living and working in
London.
Cheers
Kevin Lee
On 15 Aug 1997 09:14:01 GMT, m...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew M. Huntbach)
wrote:
>Sherbert dab - cab.
>
>First heard this one when I heard one geezer say to another on the train
>discussing getting to theri destination "Let's get a sherbert". Classic
>example, as the rhyming part isn't pronounced but from context and
>familiarity with the full phrase what is meant is obvious.
Strange, I've heard people use the expression "fancy a sherbert" to
mean going for a drink.
Kevin Lee Home Page:http://dspace.dial.pipex.com.krl/
Kevin Lee
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:26:20 GMT, mw...@papanui.win-uk.net (Martin W M
Bryant) wrote:
>hate to say it always thought it was
>
>ginger beer === queer
>aris-== aristotle ==== bottle
>iron ===hoove=====poove
>iron=====west ham supporter
Iron , as in West Ham United supporter, isn't rhyming slang (unless
you're trying to give offence to some Hammers supporters which is ill
advised :) ). Its derived fromThames Ironworks which was the club's
original name.
Phil Culmer
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The Inquisition accuse that in article <1997Aug14.142137.1@v2>,
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> "Oranges and lemons" say the bells of St. Clements
> "I owe you five farthings" say the bells of St. Martins
> "When will you pay me?" say the bells of Old Bailey
> "When I grow rich" say the bells of Shoreditch
> "When will that be?" say the bells of Stepney
> "I do not know" says the great bell of Bow
>
> or something like that ...
"Two sticks & an apple" say the bells of Whitechapel (After St Clements)
Phil.
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Martin W M Bryant
thank you for pointing that out,up to now i hadntnt realised that
at football matches when west ham supporters sing come on you
irons - that their team was not full of homosexuals and that when
chelsea supporters called out poofs in return that this wasnt to
be taken with a pince of salt but mearly to upset the aforsaid
west ham supporters>
Alan Cundell
In article <PpGHJCAb...@craigwell.demon.co.uk>
David Bridges <c...@craigwell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>'Oranges and lemons,' say the bells of St Clements.
>'Brickbats and tiles,' say the bells of St Giles.
I don't think I've ever heard that line before..
>'You owe me five farthings,' say the bells of St Martin's.
>'When will you pay me?' say the bells of Old Bailey.
>'When I grow rich,' say the bells of Shoreditch.
>'When will that be?' say the bells of Stepney.
>'I do not know,' says the great bell of Bow.
>Here comes a candle to light you to bed.
>And here comes a chopper to chop off your head!
>I think the bells are those of:
>St Clement Eastcheap
I recently saw an old newsreel film of the blessing of the replacement
bells at St Clement Danes in the 1950s;
They made a big deal of playing 'Oranges & Lemons' on them, but I
suppose it could just have been poetic license.
>St Giles Cripplegate
>St Martin Ludgate
>Old Bailey
>St Leonard's Shoreditch
>Stepney????
>St Mary-le-Bow
>Can anybody confirm? and tell me what are/were the bells of Stepney?
St Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney; 15th Century with a 13th Century
Chancel; there are ten bells, made at Whitechapel, the oldest in
1385. Guess who's just been to visit it & picked up a leaflet:-)
--
Alan Cundell
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Martin W M Bryant
In article <5sujjf$du1$4...@beta.qmw.ac.uk>, Matthew M. Huntbach (m...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) writes:
>Martin W M Bryant (mw...@papanui.win-uk.net) wrote:
>> In article <+i7pWCAs...@futureim.demon.co.uk>, Pete Bennett (pm...@futureim.demon.co.uk) writes:
>> >Folks,
>> >
>> >Most of my overseas visitors are fascinated by the above but, being from
>> >the Midlands originally, I only know a few phases :-
>> >
>> > Dog & bone
>> > Trouble and strife
>> > Apples and pears
>> >
>
>
>quaint" books, it's often long outdated. It's still used, and new ones
>are still being invented, but it's not used in a contrived way with every
>other word in a sentence a piece of rhyming slang. Also don't forget that in
>general the rhyming part of the phrase is NOT PRONOUNCED. In many cases this
>means that words become just slang with their rhyming origin forgotten.
>I wonder, for example, how many people who describe something rubbishy as
>"cobblers" are even aware it derives from "cobblers' awls".
>
>Matthew Huntbach
matt careful with the attributions
please >
ANNA Warman
ja...@dial.pipex.com (Kevin Lee) put digits to keyboard and typed:
>Strange, I've heard people use the expression "fancy a sherbert" to
>mean going for a drink.
It's probably just a cabin crew thing, but a glass of winnie is a
glass of champagne. It gets its name thusly:
Champagne --> shampoo --> winnie the poo --> glass of winnie
There, you can all rest that much better tonight, knowing that.
ANNA, who recalls when she was a stewardess and spent quite a lot of
time in the Gulf, that 'going out for a ruby' was quite a tradition
http://www.plsys.co.uk/~anna
Mad Scientist
In article <33f363d8...@news.demon.co.uk>, ANNA Warman
<an...@warman.demon.co.uk> writes
>m...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew M. Huntbach) put digits to keyboard and
>typed:
>>I wonder, for example, how many people who describe something rubbishy as
>>"cobblers" are even aware it derives from "cobblers' awls".
>I found that one out fairly recently (can't remember how).
Gosh, what a sheltered upbringing they do have in Richmond :)
>Ones not yet mentioned:
>Berkley Hunt (as in 'you berk!') - er...think about it...
"Berkshire" I think (not that it matters) - it always amazes me how few
people who call each other "a berk" actually know what they're saying!
>Plates of Meat - feet
Always recalls that classic Carry-On moment where Williams asks for the
patient's "plates" and Hawtrey uncovers his feet :))
Prof.
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In article <KeM9zMS/J21I...@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Phil Culmer
<her...@spuddy.mew.co.uk> writes
>
>
>The Inquisition accuse that in article <1997Aug14.142137.1@v2>,
>fake.a...@no.junk.email (Stephen Burke) wrote:
>> "Oranges and lemons" say the bells of St. Clements
>> "I owe you five farthings" say the bells of St. Martins
>> "When will you pay me?" say the bells of Old Bailey
>> "When I grow rich" say the bells of Shoreditch
>> "When will that be?" say the bells of Stepney
>> "I do not know" says the great bell of Bow
>>
>> or something like that ...
There are loads more lines, a rhyme to match the rhythm of
the peel for each of the City churches.
I used to have a list, years ago, but I have no idea
of the others now.
Steve
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Kevin Lee
>There, you can all rest that much better tonight, knowing that.
Thanks Anna , - I've been having sleepless nights :) .
Pete Bennett
Some of the girls in office refer to their "Bristol Cities" as 'Lills'.
Is this perhaps Cockney rhyming slag by any chance?
Anyone know where it comes from pls?
Les Smithson
>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Longley <Bill_L...@callahans.demon.co.uk> writes:
Bill> Colin Harris <Emai...@sig.file> wrote
>>> do you know the words to 'Oranges and lemons' too? I am trying
>>> to remember all the churches.
>> No I'm afraid not. I only remeber the first two lines, from
>> the times I heard it as a kid, but that's it.
Bill> I seem to recall four, but they may be wrong, and I don't
Bill> know how many lines there actually are....
Bill> "Oranges and Lemons", say the bells of St Clements "I owe
Bill> you five farthings", say the bells of St Martins "When will
Bill> you pay me?", say the bells of Old Bailey "When I grow rich"
Bill> say the bells of Shoreditch.
Bill> -- Bill (Bill_L...@callahans.demon.co.uk) "Be
Bill> yourself. Nobody else would take the job."
From a children's poetry book I got when my daughter was born:
Gay go up and gay go down
To ring the bells of London town.
Halfpence and farthings,
Say the bells of St. Martin's.
Oranges and lemons,
Say the bells of St. Clement's.
Pancakes and fritters,
Say the bells of St. Peter's.
Two sticks and an apple,
Say the bells of Whitechapel.
Kettles and pans,
Say the bells of St. Ann's.
You owe me ten shillings,
Say the bells of St. Helens's.
When will you pay me?
Say the bells of Old Bailey.
When I go rich,
Say the bells of Shoreditch.
Pray when will that be?
Say the bells of Stepney.
I am sure I don't know,
Says the great bell of Bow.
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Bill Longley
Chris Richardson <fo...@sg4.pcy.kcl.ac.uk> wrote
>On the subject of modern coinings: when the film "Schindler's List"
>came out, a lot of my acquaintances borrowed it as rhyming slang
>("Schindlered == Schindler's List == Pissed"). Was this widespread or
>just a local occurrence?[1]
I think this was probably local.... (see below)
>[1] Another completely irrelevant observation: a friend of mine was in
>a lift in an apartment block in Belgium, and discovered that it was
>made by Schindler and Co, Lift Makers. "Gosh," he thought, "I'm in
>Schindler's Lift." True story, honest.
....because we'd known Schindlers's _Lifts_ for ages. They're not as
uncommon as you might think. (E.g. I have to go to Reader's Digest in
Swindon tomorrow, and they use them....)
--
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"Be yourself. Nobody else would take the job."
Mad Scientist
In article <SNepLWAc...@callahans.demon.co.uk>, Bill Longley
<Bill_L...@callahans.demon.co.uk> writes
> (E.g. I have to go to Reader's Digest in
>Swindon tomorrow,
<EVIL THOUGHT> Wonder whether they have an e-mail address where we
could re-direct all our spam/UCE :) </EVIL THOUGHT>
Chris Richardson
<pm...@futureim.demon.co.uk>, the entity called Pete Bennett , wrote:
>Some of the girls in office refer to their "Bristol Cities" as 'Lills'.
>Is this perhaps Cockney rhyming slag by any chance?
^^^^
Whoops. Many a slip twixt mind and keyboard. What's it worth not to
let the girls in the office know what you think of them?
On the subject of modern coinings: when the film "Schindler's List"
came out, a lot of my acquaintances borrowed it as rhyming slang
("Schindlered == Schindler's List == Pissed"). Was this widespread or
just a local occurrence?[1]
foop
[1] Another completely irrelevant observation: a friend of mine was in
a lift in an apartment block in Belgium, and discovered that it was
made by Schindler and Co, Lift Makers. "Gosh," he thought, "I'm in
Schindler's Lift." True story, honest.
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paul b gilbert
does anyone know any new rhyming slang thats appearing ?
e.g. nelson mandela=stella (artois)
Paul ,E6 "cor lumme guvnor and no mistake"
Pam Wallace
:
>Can anybody confirm? and tell me what are/were the bells of
Stepney?
Alan Cundell replied:
St Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney; 15th Century, etc.
......Guess who's just been to visit it & picked up a leaflet.
My answer - guess who wrote the leaflet which you just picked
up? Hope you found it interesting. I've just revamped it a
little.
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On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:15:14 +0100, Pete Bennett
<pm...@futureim.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>'Apples and Lills' .. Breasts.
>
>Maybe I am missing something here. Pls could you explain a bit more.
>Thanks.
>
>--
>Kind Regards,
> Pete Bennett (pm...@futureim.demon.co.uk http://www.futureim.demon.co.uk)
>
> Future Implications Japanese Language Services - Surrey, England
>
> Telephone +44 (0)181 661 7699
Can't explain that but just yesterday I was ruminating on a
potentially baffling bit of rhyming slang. The word 'scarper', meaning
to go away, derives from the name of the sea area Scapa Flow (Scapa
Flow - go). The word 'scarpered' is the past tense, so you then get
the rhyming slang Scapa Flow - went.
Anthony Matheson
London, UK
Pete Bennett
Folks,
I received this via email following my orginal post. The author, Kordian
Witek (Kor...@cyberdue.com) has given me permission to post and asked
me to credit him which I have done.
Thanks for all your suggestions. I have compiled a short-list which I
now issue to my visitors along with the "Helpful advice for tourists"
guide which I got from rec.humor some while ago (posted at the end of
the slang list).
Thanks again for all your input.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
SKY - Pocket Sky Rocket/ pocket
DOG - Phone Dog and Bone.
CREAM CRACKERED - Knackered. ( worn out)
BORRASIC - Broke, no money. Borrasic Lint/ Scint.
IRON - Gay. Iron Hoof/ Poof. The geezer's a raving iron mate!
BRAHMS AND LISZT - Pissed, Drunk.
BATTLE CRUISER - Boozer, Pub.
PIGS EAR - Beer.
SALMON AND TROUT - Snout (cigarettes) Got any Salmon?
FROG AND TOAD - Road.
COCKLE - £10 comes from / cock and hen ~ TEN
SCORE - £20 Just means 20 from years ago.
PONY - £25 Same as above.
NIFTY - £50 nifty fifty - nice ring to it.
MONKEY - £500 don't know why.
EARTHER - shit Earther kit ~ a singer. I need an earther.
PONY - crap/ shit. Pony and trap. I need a pony / than film was pony.
RICHARD - Turd/shit. Richard the Third/turd. Watch that turd over
there!
MACCA - crap. Macaroni/ Pony/ pony and trap/ crap. I need a Macca.
ARRIS - Arse. Aristotle/ bottle/ bottle and glass/ arse.
BUTCHERS - Look. Butchers hook
CURRENT BUN - sun.
APPLES AND PAIRS - stairs.
LIONEL BLAIRS - flares
CHALFONTS - Piles/ haemorrhoids. Chalfont Saint Giles - a town.
EMMA FROIDS - haemorrhoids.
TOM - gold/ jewellery. Tom foolery.
FRAZER - slash/ wee wee. Dying for a frazers. Frazer nash/ slash.
CHAR - Tea. Char....lie.
MALE GENITALS
Bald-Headed Butler
Belaying Pin
Heat-Seeking Moisture Missle
Jack in the Box
Joy Stick
Magic Wand
Master of Ceremonies
One-Eyed Trouser Trout
Pocket Fisherman
Trouser Python
FEMALE GENITALS
Love Canal
Candle Holder
Fort Bushy
Lapland
Magpie's Nest
Mom's Homemade Pie
Old Mossyface
Organ Grinder
Pipe Cleaner
Low Toupee
FORNICATION
Taking a Dipstick Reading
Bush Patrol
Dancing the Mattress Jig
Fix Her Plumbing
Four-Legged Frolic
Lay Some Pipe
Riding the Log Flume
The Disappearing Cane Trick
The Matrimonial Polka
Trip Up the Rhine
CUNNILINGUS
Bird-Washing
Box Canyon Serenade
Box Lunch
Wild Cherry Slurpee
Sea Food Filet with White Sauce
Eating At the "Y"
Egg McMuff
Lickety Split
Shrimping
Whistling in the Dark
MASTURBATE
(MALE)
Pocket Billiards
Onan's Olympics
Pulling your Taffy
Varnishing the Fencepost
Shaking Hands with Mr. Goodwrench
Playing a Flute Solo
Clean your Rifle
Jackin' the Beanstalk
Manual Override
Twang your Magic Twanger
..
MASTURBATE
(FEMALE)
Gilding the Lily
Juicing the Sluice
Makin'Soup
Tickling the Taco
Two-Finger Tango
BREASTS
Headlights
Lactoids
Twin Peaks
Umlauts
Upper Deck
FELLATIO
The Big Gulp
Smoking the White Owl
Sword Swallowing
Kneeling at the Altar
Recording Session with Little Elvis
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Like taxi-drivers, these too are renowned for their helpfulness,
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Don't forget that you can always make free phone calls back home via
their personal radio; just ask.
Gordon Joly
Pure invention. I have never heard most of these terms.
Iron Hoof?
Gordo
Poplar. London E14
--
--
Gordon Joly http://pobox.com/%7Egjoly/
go...@dircon.co.uk gordo...@pobox.com
Martin W M Bryant
In article <5vj47k$o...@tdc.dircon.co.uk>, Gordon Joly (go...@dircon.co.uk) writes:
>
>Pure invention. I have never heard most of these terms.
>
>Iron Hoof?
>
>Gordo
>Poplar. London E14
>--
>--
Nog
>
>Pure invention. I have never heard most of these terms.
>
>Iron Hoof?
No thats a well used phrase in south london for a shirt lifter, uphill
gardener and the like.
--
Nog
Tim Gowen
In article <v5hdwEAt...@futureim.demon.co.uk>, Pete Bennett
<pm...@futureim.demon.co.uk> writes
>I received this via email following my orginal post. The author, Kordian
>Witek (Kor...@cyberdue.com) has given me permission to post and asked
>me to credit him which I have done.
He missed out 'Sweeney' - as in the police series. "Sweeney Todd" =
Plod.
Sweeney Todd was a Fleet Street barber who killed people.
Tim Gowen - To e-mail me remove 'anti-spam' from my e-mail address
Get the rec.arts.theatre.musicals FAQ at
http://www.juglans.demon.co.uk/Tim/Theatre/TheatreLinks.htm
(GMT+0.00) Greenwich Mean Time, Dublin, Edinburgh
I came across your request for information on rhyming slang in a
newsgroup, try my homepage you may find it of use to you.
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~byrne/
Philip Pick
In article <PGvo9JAv...@equipoise.demon.co.uk>, Tim Gowen
to credit him which I have done.
>
> Plod.
>
> Sweeney Todd was a Fleet Street barber who killed people.
True, but I believe the correct derivation is;
Sweeney come from Sweeney Todd, rhyming slang for Flying Squad
The Flying Squad being the police armed robbery specialists.
--
Philip Pick, Ilford Essex
Frank Springall
> He missed out 'Sweeney' - as in the police series. "Sweeney Todd" =
> Plod.
Sweeney Todd is the flying squad.
On your Todd is Todd Sloane as in Alone. He was a jockey in the last
century who was always winning ie on his own at the front.
Skin and Blister Sister
Plates of Meat Feet
Jam Jar Car
Jam Tart Fart
Berk as in Berkshire Hunt (I'll leave the rest to you) :-)
Whistle and Flute Suit
Mince Pies Eyes
Frank Springall
fspri...@cix.co.uk
chris harrison
tony....@uk.sun.com wrote:
> On a slightly different topic, does anyone have any idea why the police
> are called "The Bill" or "The Old Bill"? "Coppers", "Peelers", "Rozzers"
> and "Bobbies" I can understand, but why "The Bill"?
There's a theory (it's the one that Brewer's agrees with) that it
relates to a cartoon character, called Old Bill, dating from WWI, a
large, walrus-moustached soldier who was, apparently, always around when
you didn't want him to be and always saw things you'd rather he hadn't
and the continuation of this because of the number of ex-soldiers who
became policemen after the war.
Brewers continues by suggesting that "the derivation [of Old Bill] could
be related to the weapon the police used to carry" (bill - billhook,
presumably).
There's an alternative suggesting rhyming slang (Policemen - Bill and
Ben), but as the expression been around longer than the characters, it's
unlikely ...
chris.
--
chris harrison.
ic-parc, william penney laboratory, imperial college, london, sw7 2az.
http://www-icparc.doc.ic.ac.uk/~cah1/
tony....@uk.sun.com
In article <VA.00000274.0049aded@ntpro>,
f...@dircon.co.uk wrote:
> Jam Tart Fart
Shouldn't that be "Raspberry Tart" - hence "rasp" (farting noise made
with the tongue and lips)?
I did hear a brand new one (new to me, anyway) in my local the other day
- someone asked for a pint of Nelson. Nelson Mandela - Stella (Stella
Artois lager)
--
Tony
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tony....@uk.sun.com
In article <ant18080...@triples.demon.co.uk>,
Philip Pick <P.M....@triples.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In article <PGvo9JAv...@equipoise.demon.co.uk>, Tim Gowen
> >
> > Plod.
> >
>
> True, but I believe the correct derivation is;
>
> Sweeney come from Sweeney Todd, rhyming slang for Flying Squad
>
> The Flying Squad being the police armed robbery specialists.
>
On a slightly different topic, does anyone have any idea why the police
are called "The Bill" or "The Old Bill"? "Coppers", "Peelers", "Rozzers"
and "Bobbies" I can understand, but why "The Bill"?
--
Steve
In article <ZstS4AAm...@craigwell.demon.co.uk>, David Bridges
<c...@craigwell.demon.co.uk> writes
>Before we resume our discussion about rhyming slang, let's have some
>alphabet practice.
[]
>D fer mation
D for Glory, AISTR.
Steve
bski
go...@dircon.co.uk (Gordon Joly) wrote:
>Pure invention. I have never heard most of these terms.
>Iron Hoof?
poof
>Gordo
>Poplar. London E14
u jimmy taggert
u take it up the gary <glitter>
>--
one of my faves is petrol tanks as in yanks
bleedin petrols
im not a cockney btw
ben
w5
Martin W M Bryant
In article <8746623...@dejanews.com>, tony....@uk.sun.com (tony....@uk.sun.com) writes:
>
>In article <VA.00000274.0049aded@ntpro>,
> f...@dircon.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Jam Tart Fart
>
>Shouldn't that be "Raspberry Tart" - hence "rasp" (farting noise made
>with the tongue and lips)?
>
>I did hear a brand new one (new to me, anyway) in my local the other day
>- someone asked for a pint of Nelson. Nelson Mandela - Stella (Stella
>Artois lager)
>
>--
>Tony
Tom Mullan
In article <8746630...@dejanews.com>, tony....@uk.sun.com writes
>In article <ant18080...@triples.demon.co.uk>,
> Philip Pick <P.M....@triples.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> In article <PGvo9JAv...@equipoise.demon.co.uk>, Tim Gowen
>> >
>> > Plod.
>> >
>
>
>are called "The Bill" or "The Old Bill"? "Coppers", "Peelers", "Rozzers"
>and "Bobbies" I can understand, but why "The Bill"?
>
>--
>Tony
I believe Robert Peel was a significant character in the history of the
police force, first chief of police or something like that. Hence
Bobbies and Peelers.
--
Tom
ANNA Warman
Tony....@uk.sun.com put digits to keyboard and typed:
>On a slightly different topic, does anyone have any idea why the police
>are called "The Bill" or "The Old Bill"? "Coppers",
I thought I'd look up the origin of Coppers, and it seems a bit of a
chicken and egg situation. To 'cop it' means to get into trouble, but
I'm not sure whether the 'cop' comes from copper (meaning policeman)
or the other way around. The Concise Oxford English Dictionary comes
up with this as a possibility:
Etymology perh. f. obs. cap arrest f. OF caper seize f. L capere: (n.)
cf. copper 2
ANNA, who occasionally runs training courses at her work for The Old
Bill, including The Sweeny :)
Frank Springall
In article <8746623...@dejanews.com>, wrote:
> I did hear a brand new one (new to me, anyway) in my local the other day
> - someone asked for a pint of Nelson. Nelson Mandela - Stella (Stella
> Artois lager)
>
time or across London. The river divides more than the physical parts of
London.
Frank Springall
PRAR
And lo, Annabel Smyth <Ann...@amsmyth.demon.co.uk> spake
unto us all announcing
|On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, David Bridges <c...@craigwell.demon.co.uk> wrote to
|uk.local.london:
|
|>Before we resume our discussion about rhyming slang, let's have some
|>alphabet practice.
|>
|>
|>A fer 'orses
|>B fer mutton
|>C fer yourself
|
|C for thylanders, I thought.
C for looking surely? ('bout time we crossposted this to
agmc)
|
|>D fer mation
|
|D fer ential
|
|>E for brick
|>F fer vescent
|>G fer police
|>H fer retirement
|>I fer an eye
|
|I fer novello
|
|>J fer Orange
|>K fer boy
|>L fer leather
|>M fer sis
|>N fer cement
|>O for a pee
|>P for relief
|>Q for a pee
|>R for mo
|>S fer you
|
|S fer williams
|
|>T fer two
|>U fer mism
|
|U fer me
|
|>V fer la difference
|>W fer quits
|>X fer breakfast
|>Y fer 'eavens sake
|>Z fer effect
|
|Z fer breezes
|--
|Annabel Smyth Ann...@amsmyth.demon.co.uk
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
|"These are my daughters, I suppose,
|But where in the world have my children gone?" (don't know author)
PRAR
--
http://village.vossnet.co.uk/p/prar/
Navigator available, see above
Paula Thomas
In message <XvaxDBA1...@shacc.demon.co.uk>
Tom Mullan <t...@shacc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <8746630...@dejanews.com>, tony....@uk.sun.com
writes
> >In article <ant18080...@triples.demon.co.uk>,
> > Philip Pick <P.M....@triples.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <PGvo9JAv...@equipoise.demon.co.uk>, Tim Gowen
> >> to credit him which I have done.
> >> >
> >> > He missed out 'Sweeney' - as in the police series. "Sweeney
Todd" =
> >> > Plod.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >On a slightly different topic, does anyone have any idea why the
police
> >are called "The Bill" or "The Old Bill"? "Coppers", "Peelers",
"Rozzers"
> >and "Bobbies" I can understand, but why "The Bill"?
> >
> >--
> >Tony
>
> I believe Robert Peel was a significant character in the history of
the
> police force, first chief of police or something like that. Hence
> Bobbies and Peelers.
Ronert Peel was the Home Secretary who formed the Metropolitan Police
Force. I've been trtying to think of a William in the early days of
the Met who could be the source of the 'Old Bill' name. Anyone know
the name of the first Commissioner?
--
Paula Thomas
Bod
In article <34240b3...@news.vossnet.co.uk>, PRAR>>and someone else probably started the whole thing:
>|>C fer yourself
>|
>|C for thylanders, I thought.
>
>C for looking surely? ('bout time we crossposted this to
>agmc)
I remember it as "C for miles" from my kid-days.
--
Bod
b...@hogshead.demon.co.uk
"I have so much to do that I am going to bed" -- fortune cookie
Patrick Herring
David Bridges wrote:
>
> Before we resume our discussion about rhyming slang, let's have some
> alphabet practice.
> D fer mation
D fer dumb
...
> I fer an eye
I fer the engine
...
> K fer boy
K fer basher (rather out of date perhaps, if not worse...)
...
> M fer sis
M fer Cream
> N fer cement
N fer, Colorado
> O for a pee
O fer the wings of a dove...
...
> S fer you
S fer Rantzen
...
> V fer la difference
V fer Espana
...
yours, Patrick
________________________________________________________
Patrick Herring at work, herr...@rlsclare.agw.bt.co.uk
Disclaimer: The form is BT but the essence is me.
"Occam's razor is so sharp, I bought the whole argument"
Patrick Herring
David Bridges wrote:
>
> Before we resume our discussion about rhyming slang, let's have some
> alphabet practice.
Can anyone complete the SmartArse alphabet (spelling may vary!):
A for aegis, aether
B for bdellium
C for ctenoid
D for djinn
E for effervescent
F for
G for gnostic
H for
I for
J for
K for
L for
M for mnemonic
N for misprint
O for oeuvre
P for pterodactyl
Q for qi (= chi)
R for
S for
T for
U for universe
V for
W for
X for xylophone
Y for yttrium
Z for
As you can see I've forgotten most of it.
John Redding
Andy (and...@geocities.com) writes:
> grown up (debateable) in the south London suburbs the only rhyming slang
> I remember was 'scarper' (scapa flow - go) and 'blowing a raspberry'
> (raspberry tart - fart). Does anyone know what 'nark it' meant?
> --
> Andy Cliffe 207 Old Street, London
Yes. It means "stop what you are doing , or saying, because I find it
irritating, or objectionable". I know, because my parents used the phrase
frequently.
John, brought up in Brixton in the twenties.
--
John Redding, Ottawa, Canada.
ae...@freenet.carleton.ca
tony....@uk.sun.com
In article <XvaxDBA1...@shacc.demon.co.uk>,
Tom Mullan <t...@shacc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In article <8746630...@dejanews.com>, tony....@uk.sun.com writes
> >
> >On a slightly different topic, does anyone have any idea why the police
> >are called "The Bill" or "The Old Bill"? "Coppers", "Peelers", "Rozzers"
> >and "Bobbies" I can understand, but why "The Bill"?
> >
> >--
> >Tony
>
> I believe Robert Peel was a significant character in the history of the
> police force, first chief of police or something like that. Hence
> Bobbies and Peelers.
Indeed he was - that's why I was saying I could understand why "Bobbies"
and "Peelers". "Rozzers", as far as I know, is one of the few Romany
words in (fairly) common use in English.
Thanks, all, for your ideas on why "the Old Bill".
Dan Glover
In article <8e6418cd47%Pa...@wilmot.poptel.org.uk>, Paula Thomas
<Pa...@wilmot.poptel.org.uk> wrote:
[...]
>Ronert Peel was the Home Secretary who formed the Metropolitan Police
>Force. I've been trtying to think of a William in the early days of
>the Met who could be the source of the 'Old Bill' name. Anyone know
>the name of the first Commissioner?
I think you may be onto something here...can't remember off hand (1829
is a long time ago) but I'll see if I can find out if nobody else comes
up with the answer.
Nah, I don't suppose for a minute such useful information will be on the
Met's website (somewhere in www.open.gov.uk)...
Dan
--
Dan Glover
James Knott
>On a slightly different topic, does anyone have any idea why the police
>are called "The Bill" or "The Old Bill"? "Coppers", "Peelers", "Rozzers"
>and "Bobbies" I can understand, but why "The Bill"?
This originated from the practice (due directly to Robert Peel) of
presenting criminals with an invoice to cover the cost of the
investigation, in addition to any punitive fine; naturally this became
known as "The Bill".
Also related is the phrase "to be charged with a crime", which has the
same origins.
JK
--
Extra @ in address - remove to reply
Nog
In article <19970929....@cauzality.demon.co.uk>, "Robert J. Munro"
<rob...@cauzality.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <342253...@geocities.com>,>I think that nark was one of the words invented for the series Porridge
I don't know where "nark it" cane from but, A Nark is a person who gives
information to the police for money. It is an old English word and was
used from about 1860. It has now been largley replaced by "snout".
--
Nog
Andy
Bruce Munro wrote:
>
>
> The one that's used
> round here, is "septic tank = Yank". Much more apt, don't you agree.
>
I believe this originates in Australia, another place where rhyming
slang is used. I heard it from an Aussie in about 1990. Another one of
theirs is "noah's ark - shark"
Another bit of rhyming slang seldom used now is 'Joe Baksi' - taxi. Joe
Baksi was an American boxer in the 1950s.
--
Andy, London, England
Bruce Munro
In article <5vrpmh$n...@cherry.news.easynet.net>,
bski <cyber...@mail.easynet.co.uk> wrote:
>>--
>one of my faves is petrol tanks as in yanks
>
>bleedin petrols
>im not a cockney btw
Petrols? Can't say I've ever heard of that one before. The one that's used
round here, is "septic tank = Yank". Much more apt, don't you agree.
Bleedin petrols? Sounds more like you're having a dig at a bunch
of seabirds.
Truffy
>>Iron Hoof?
>
>No thats a well used phrase in south london for a shirt lifter, uphill
>gardener and the like.
See also: pillow biter, brown hatter, William Hague (whoops, can't think
what came over me with the last one, he's 'sleeping' with Ffion now so he
must be OK)
--
(remove 'nospam' to reply)
----------------------------------
Time flies like an arrow
Fruit flies like a banana
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Martin W M Bryant
In article <01bcd356$f34c18b0$0100a8c0@derek>, "Truffy" (nospam....@btinternet.com) writes:
>>>Iron Hoof?
>>
>>No thats a well used phrase in south london for a shirt lifter, uphill
>>gardener and the like.
>
>See also: pillow biter, brown hatter, William Hague (whoops, can't think
>what came over me with the last one, he's 'sleeping' with Ffion now so he
>must be OK)
>--
etc ,but some might say you have an abronamal fear of gay people
and are you in denial>
Truffy
Au contrair ducky...I absolutley deny that I'm in denial
Luvya
suaimheas
> Nark wasn't invented for Porridge (although the phrase nark it may have
> been, I don't remember). Nark is slang for an informer or police spy.
> It's in the dictionary. I don't know its origin, though.
>
> --
> David Bridges
>
The term "narc" is short for narcotics officers who relied heavilly on
informers to keep them abreast of drug trading. The word is commonly used
here in the US but I don't know if it originated here or in Britain.
Andy
Roland Perry
In article <01bcd795$d1515ac0$14e7edcc@default>, suaimheas
<suai...@prodigy.net> writes
>> Nark wasn't invented for Porridge (although the phrase nark it may have
>> been, I don't remember). Nark is slang for an informer or police spy.
>> It's in the dictionary. I don't know its origin, though.
Chambers says it's from Nak, the Romany for "nose".
> The term "narc" is short for narcotics officers who relied heavilly on
>informers to keep them abreast of drug trading. The word is commonly used
>here in the US but I don't know if it originated here or in Britain.
My Dictionary of American Slang says Nark is a Middle 1800's British
term for a police informer (aka stool pigeon) and agrees with the Romany
derivation. It separately says that Narc (or Narco) is a narcotics
agent. I don't think the two are related in any way.
--
My email address is: | "Time is an illusion.
roland at perry dot co dot uk | Launch times doubly so".