Re: Retention of EU Citizenship

[Stephen Cole]

Roger Hayter <ro...@hayter.org> wrote:
> Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
>
>> On 2019-05-30, Sara Merriman <sarame...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In article <1o8dscl.1l22oi99g9ys3N%ro...@hayter.org>, Roger Hayter
>>> <ro...@hayter.org> wrote:
>>>> What is your problem? There is no poster being abused here; just a
>>>> general class of people who object that they were not personally
>>>> consulted about develpments in national or international law ratified in
>>>> public, in the full glare of publicity, by our (sovereign!) Parliament.
>>>
>>> As at least one poster (Yellow?) has said they voted out, allowing them
>>> to be referred to as "idiots with irrational feelings" is a bit
>>> derogatory. And that is how the post comes across.
>>
>> As far as I'm aware there is no moderation policy that says posters
>> cannot be rude about huge categories just because some other posters
>> might fit that category. The deluded fools who voted Brexit are not
>> a protected minority, indeed they would (falsely) deny being a
>> minority at all.
>>
>> On the other hand, I do generally try and reserve overt rudeness for
>> the traitors who are leading and promoting Brexit, rather than people
>> who are simply stupid enough to follow them, so I should have been
>> more diplomatic in my wording there and I apologise.
>
> Since being an EU citizen is simply a label for being a citizen of a
> member country and neither confers additional rights nor imposes
> additional obligations, complaining about being made such a citizen is
> tendentious populism or sheer stupidity, depending on who is doing the
> complaining and why.

Brian Reay is an EU citizen and he *really* doesn’t like having it pointed
out to him.

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[Stephen Cole]

EU Citizen Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
> Stephen Cole <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>> EU Citizen Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>>> Martin Harran <use...@martinharran.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2019 13:07:45 -0000 (UTC), Jon Ribbens
>>>> <jon+u...@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2019-05-30, Bryan Morris <nos...@this.machine> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <slrnqevhj2.6...@sable.unequivocal.eu>, Jon Ribbens
>>>>>> <jon+u...@unequivocal.eu> writes
>>>>>>> Ok, to humour you I just looked up the definition of "citizen" in the
>>>>>>> Oxford English Dictionary. There are many definitions, but the closest
>>>>>>> one to your suggestion is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2a. A legally recognized subject or national of a state,
>>>>>>> commonwealth, or other polity, either native or naturalized,
>>>>>>> having certain rights, privileges, or duties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The EU, whether you approve of it or not, is clearly a "state,
>>>>>>> commonwealth, or other polity".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YOU wish it to be a state - it isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did your single brain cell run out of steam halfway through reading
>>>>> that sentence? The EU is covered by the definition "state, commonwealth,
>>>>> or other polity". That does not mean it is a state, which it is not.
>>>>> It is a "commonwealth or other polity".
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you also object to the term "Commonwealth Citizen"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A member of a Commonwealth country is entitled to this title whilst
>>>>>> their country is such a member - if it withdraws or expelled from the
>>>>>> Commonwealth they are not. Likewise when we leave the EU we are no
>>>>>> longer EU citizens
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, suddenly you do agree that we are currently EU Citizens.
>>>>> I'm glad you've admitted your earlier statements were wrong.
>>>>
>>>> ROFL, a good case of tongue - or fingers in this case - engaging
>>>> before brain :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> He’s a Remainer, they accuse Leavers of being stupid, violent, etc
>>
>> Racist, too, usually.
>
> You’re thinking of the Labour Party.
>
>
>>
>>> yet they
>>> are the ones refusing to accept the referendum, promises made, and throwing
>>> milkshakes.
>>
>> Milkshakes... Let’s not forget, Brian, that one of your lot assassinated a
>> Labour MP.
>>
>
> Yawn.....
>
> How many have the people Corbyn supports killed? Start with the IRA.
>

It speaks volumes about you, Brian, that you’re hysterically upset about
some arseholes getting doused with milkshake but not remotely bothered
about an MP, and a young mother at that, being murdered in the street by
one of your fellow Brexiteers. Absolutely disgraceful, to be honest.

[Brian Reay]

Who said he was a Brexiteer, other than you and your idiot remainer cronies?

You may like the idea of a Europe run by the dictatorship of the EU
commission, others don't and that opposition isn't restricted to the UK.

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[Stephen Cole]

He did himself, in various outbursts at trial. Do keep up, please.

> You may like the idea of a Europe run by the dictatorship of the EU
> commission, others don't and that opposition isn't restricted to the UK.
>

Hard luck, Brexit ain’t gonna happen.

[Brian Reay]

Of course he did.....

>
>> You may like the idea of a Europe run by the dictatorship of the EU
>> commission, others don't and that opposition isn't restricted to the UK.
>>
>
> Hard luck, Brexit ain’t gonna happen.

You just keep telling yourself that, if it keeps you happy.

Meanwhile, in the real world, .......

[mm0fmf]

On 31/05/2019 18:04, Brian Reay wrote:
> On 31/05/2019 17:50, Stephen Cole wrote:
>> EU Citizen Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>>> On 31/05/2019 17:15, Stephen Cole wrote:

>>>
>>> Who said he was a Brexiteer, other than you and your idiot remainer
>>> cronies?
>>>
>>
>> He did himself, in various outbursts at trial. Do keep up, please.
>
> Of course he did.....
>
>

Some quotes from non-UK sources:

ABC

The man accused of murdering British MP Jo Cox in June was heard saying
"this is for Britain" during an attack that was motivated by politics or
ideology, a London jury was told at the opening of his trial.

VOA

When asked to state his name as proceedings began at Westminster
Magistrates' Court in London, Mair said, "My name is death to traitors,
freedom for Britain," an apparent allusion to Britain's upcoming
referendum vote on European Union membership. The outburst was his only
comment in court Saturday.

Several eye witnesses to the attack by 52-year-old Mair, a local man,
say he shouted “Britain First” as he shot the lawmaker three times,
stabbed her and then dragged the bleeding mother-of-two by the hair.

The small far-right political party, Britain First, which has campaigned
for many years for the country to leave the European Union,

[Rambo]

On 31 May 2019 16:50:49 GMT, Stephen Cole

I don't think you are right Steve, the only way the Tories can get
themselves out of their self imposed shitpit is to deliver Brexit, and
scupper Farage and hope that some of the prats who voted for Farage
return to the fold.

[Rambo]

When asked his name at the trial..he said.."My name is death to
traitors, freedom for Britain"
>>

[Brian Reay]

He is also anti-Semitic, like Labour.

However, lots of people are anti EU without being racist.

The two are found in some parts of Labour.

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

"Rambo" <Ra...@thisaintreal.org> wrote in message
news:bmp2fetnkajf8lso8...@4ax.com...

prats?!?!?!...quality people like me you mean...tee hee

[Stephen Cole]

Brian, I very charitably gave you several opportunities to condemn the
despicable actions of your fellow traveller but you’ve point-blank refused
to do so, and that is utterly shameful and reflects very poorly upon you.

[Stephen Cole]

The next Tory leader is going to be a no-dealer and Parliament (including
many slightly saner Tories) will almost immediately vote no confidence,
bringing down the Government. The EU will grant another A50 extension to
allow for the general election which Labour will win on a platform of
“We’ve got to start Brexit again as the Tories fucked it up, then we’ll put
our negotiated deal to a referendum vs Remain”, which Remain will win. Et
voila!

[Stephen Cole]

Looking forward to seeing how Brian tries to wriggle through this, tbh.

[Stephen Cole]

Not all Leave voters are racists, but all racists voted Leave. You lay with
dogs, B, you get fleas.

[Rambo]

Citation for last please...in your own time.

[Brian Reay]

Like you and Corbyn who is anti-Semitic.

Plus, lots of Labour voters voted Leave.

That makes you doubly damned.

As for Jo Cox's killer, I'm hardly likely to side with him, given by
family ancestry, no matter what you try to claim.

[Brian Reay]

Are you claiming EVERYONE who votes Labour supports the EU?

[Stephen Cole]

I doubt that genuinely believe what you’re saying there, Brian.

> Plus, lots of Labour voters voted Leave.

Boomers, mostly, doing what Boomers do.

> That makes you doubly damned.
>
> As for Jo Cox's killer, I'm hardly likely to side with him, given by
> family ancestry, no matter what you try to claim.
>

I’m not claiming anything, just stating the facts; you’re deeply upset
about some racist scumbags having milkshake thrown on them but totally
ambivalent about your fellow Brexiteer shooting and stabbing a young woman
to death. That’s deeply perverse, Brian. Warped, I’d say.

[Stephen Cole]

Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:

> Wrong as usual. The left has a history of anti-Semitism.
>

You’re moving the goalposts, B, which is clearly an admission that you
can’t justify calling JC an anti-semite.

>>> Plus, lots of Labour voters voted Leave.
>>
>> Boomers, mostly, doing what Boomers do.
>

> Many boomers worked hard, saved, etc. Something which seems alien to you.
>

Another non-sequitur. My pointing out that most Labour Leavers are Boomers
made no comment on the subjects you drooled back in reply.

>>> That makes you doubly damned.
>>>
>>> As for Jo Cox's killer, I'm hardly likely to side with him, given by
>>> family ancestry, no matter what you try to claim.
>>>
>>
>> I’m not claiming anything, just stating the facts; you’re deeply upset
>> about some racist scumbags having milkshake thrown on them but totally
>> ambivalent about your fellow Brexiteer shooting and stabbing a young woman
>> to death. That’s deeply perverse, Brian. Warped, I’d say.
>>
>

> You are an immature idiot.

It’s incredible that you *still* refuse to condemn the murderous actions of
your Brexit fellow traveller, Brian. What is wrong with you?

[Rambo]

On 31 May 2019 19:47:02 GMT, Stephen Cole

He's a narcissist Steve, accept that and a load of stuff falls into
place.

[Bernie]

Accepting that he's an intergalactic missionary from the planet Zorb,
works, also.

YTC

[JNugent]

Here's something Stephen Cole can't understand and hates having pointed
out to him...

There is no such thing as an EU citizen.

[Stephen Cole]

Tell that to Brian Reay, it might help him get his mood under control, he’s
been quite deeply aggravated since the wheels fell off Brexit a while ago.

[Brian Reay]

This EU Citizenship business is all in your mind, as is any stress
over its imaginary loss. Ditto the Brexit business. You seem to need to
convince yourself there is a problem with it. I'm confident it will
happen. Any delay is no great issue, at worst more guaranteed trips to
bring back wine etc to stock up the cellar. Although I doubt Brexit will
mean changes to the rules from Europe, the infrastructure just isn't there.

[Incubus]

The real question is, who put him up to it?

[Brian Reay]

He was probably just a nutter, like the usual rejects who see conspiracy
everywhere.

[Keema's Nan]

On 3 Jun 2019, Brian Reay wrote
(in article <qd2mj9$lih$2...@dont-email.me>):

I think the “lone nut” excuse has been used far too many times by the
spooks, for their false flag events, that anyone who continues to dredge up
that kind of answer is about 20 years out of date.

[Stephen Cole]

Keema's Nan <fruity...@bungay.com> wrote:
> On 3 Jun 2019, EU Citizen Brian Reay wrote

Brian’s just desperate to downplay the Brexit connection to this
assassination.

[Stephen Cole]

EU Citizen Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
> On 03/06/2019 09:34, Incubus wrote:
>> On 2019-05-31, mm0fmf <no...@invalid.com> wrote:

But you still refuse to condemn the actions of your fellow traveller,
Brian.

[Keema's Nan]

On 3 Jun 2019, Stephen Cole wrote
(in article <glkbv1...@mid.individual.net>):

Rather ironic really, in that he is part of a conspiracy to blame everyone
but the real culprits.

[Roger Hayter]

In any case, since Britain First was proscribed precisely because it had
written plans for terror attacks including assassinating prominent left
wing MPs it seems a bit crass to ask who put him up to it. He was a
member of a right wing terror organisation and fulfilling its plans and
policies.


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[Brian Reay]

Keema's Nan <fruity...@bungay.com> wrote:

You aren’t related to Spike, are you?

[Keema's Nan]

On 3 Jun 2019, Brian Reay wrote

(in article <qd3eo4$kbo$2...@dont-email.me>):

Which Spike would this be?

The one funded by the CIA?

[Tosspot]

Who the fuck is Brian?

[Keema's Nan]

On 3 Jun 2019, Tosspot wrote
(in article<re2dna3VTLIP7mjB...@giganews.com>):

The chap who had a life...

Someone once made a film about him.

[Stephen Cole]

A bedfellow of the far-right maniac that assassinated Jo Cox. HTH.

[Brian Reay]

Someone Cole is obsessed with.

[Spike]

On 03/06/2019 09:15, Keema's Nan wrote:
> On 3 Jun 2019, Brian Reay wrote

>> He was probably just a nutter, like the usual rejects who see conspiracy
>> everywhere.

> I think the 'lone nut' excuse has been used far too many times by the
> spooks, for their false flag events, that anyone who continues to dredge up
> that kind of answer is about 20 years out of date.

Add another hundred years to that - Reay seems to live in the Victorian era.

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Spike