Bonfire night
Pellucid
totally out of date, what we should be doing is burning effigies of MUHAMMAD
! !
LouSmorals
Now this is going too far!! His fight against Frazier in 1975 remains
one of my great sporting memories, and as for Forman in '74, well who
could forget that? There is no way that this great sporting legend
should be put on a bonfire, it is absolutely disgraceful.
You should be ashamed (again).
Appalled regards,
Lou
Pellucid
news:28542a1d-f40a-461c...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
li, -Why? -it is obvious,... then, he probably did not even know about the
Irish side of his family, but of course knew all about the 'Black Power'
movement, which would see him as a front-man. So what is/was one of the
classic moves of protest about his white history/white subsumation, he
joined the 'Nation of Islam' otherwise known as the 'Black Muslims' who
inherently hated 'whites' and used the idea of Islam to distance themselves
from the evil 'whites', (christians). The fact that Clay has 'white' blood
in his family is something he has only acknowleged recently.
Halmyre
insanity.co.uk says...
> "LouSmorals" <andrew...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:28542a1d-f40a-461c...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> > On 5 Nov, 18:07, "Pellucid" <pellu...@total-insanity.co.uk> wrote:
> >> It is obvious that the burning effigies of the Pope on 5th Nov. is now
> >> totally out of date, what we should be doing is burning effigies of
> >> MUHAMMAD
> >> ! !
> >
> > Now this is going too far!! His fight against Frazier in 1975 remains
> > one of my great sporting memories, and as for Forman in '74, well who
> > could forget that? There is no way that this great sporting legend
> > should be put on a bonfire, it is absolutely disgraceful.
> >
> > You should be ashamed (again).
> >
> > Appalled regards,
> >
> > Lou
> >
> Ali of course changed his name, from Cassius Clay to Muhammad
> li, -Why? -it is obvious,... then, he probably did not even know about the
> Irish side of his family, but of course knew all about the 'Black Power'
> movement, which would see him as a front-man. So what is/was one of the
> classic moves of protest about his white history/white subsumation, he
> joined the 'Nation of Islam' otherwise known as the 'Black Muslims' who
> inherently hated 'whites'
Whoa there, huge leap of illogic detected. I never got the impression that
Ali hated whites. Which is odd, because you could argue it's the white guys
who run the boxing world who are responsible for the state he's in.
--
Halmyre
This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your
head clean off.
JpinNY
The Africans who were captured and sold (that it was by their fellow
Africans is not unknown to their modern descendents) to the 17th
century European traders to work as slaves on the plantations of the
Caribbean and North and South America were already Muslims. Christianity
never got down below the Tropic of Cancer until the early days of the
British Empire (or Spanish/French/Dutch). Before that, they had no
knowledge of the "white", European man's ways, much less any reason to
hate him before their enslavement. It's not just spite.
Jp
JpinNY
We have no idea whether the 'Irish side' of his family was either a
family of Irish bondsmen, (along with poor English, Scots and Welsh
bondsmen who were the forerunners of the conscripts who were sent to
Australia) of either gender forced to breed with Africans on
plantations, or the name of family who owned his forebears, and
possibly interbred without formal recognition of sons and daughters who
were children of African parents and European owners.
There is no reason to sneer at anyone's ancestry, but I can understand
why Muhammad Ali might want to think about it.
Jp
The Traveller
"JpinNY" <jpi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hdal3q$aa$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
No, but it's a bit like the second world war. Never ending.
Wise old Chinese proverb : If you harp on the past, future never come.
Edith.
Muslims fought in the Indian army for the crown and the commonwealth.
Pellucid
>> "LouSmorals" <andrew...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:28542a1d-f40a-461c...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 5 Nov, 18:07, "Pellucid" <pellu...@total-insanity.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> It is obvious that the burning effigies of the Pope on 5th Nov. is now
>>>> totally out of date, what we should be doing is burning effigies of
>>>> MUHAMMAD
>>>> ! !
>>> Now this is going too far!! His fight against Frazier in 1975 remains
>>> one of my great sporting memories, and as for Forman in '74, well who
>>> could forget that? There is no way that this great sporting legend
>>> should be put on a bonfire, it is absolutely disgraceful.
>>>
>>> You should be ashamed (again).
>>>
>>> Appalled regards,
>>>
>>> Lou
>>>
>> Ali of course changed his name, from Cassius Clay to Muhammad
>> the Irish side of his family, but of course knew all about the 'Black
>> Power' movement, which would see him as a front-man. So what is/was one
>> of the classic moves of protest about his white history/white
>> subsumation, he joined the 'Nation of Islam' otherwise known as the
>> 'Black Muslims' who inherently hated 'whites' and used the idea of Islam
>> to distance themselves from the evil 'whites', (christians). The fact
>> that Clay has 'white' blood in his family is something he has only
>> acknowleged recently.
>
> The Africans who were captured and sold (that it was by their fellow
> Africans is not unknown to their modern descendents) to the 17th century
> European traders to work as slaves on the plantations of the Caribbean and
> North and South America were already Muslims. Christianity never got down
> below the Tropic of Cancer until the early days of the British Empire (or
> Spanish/French/Dutch). Before that, they had no knowledge of the "white",
> European man's ways, much less any reason to hate him before their
> enslavement. It's not just spite.
>
> Jp
Africa were already Muslims, but that was not neccesarily the case, because
of course Islam was invented over 600 years after the invention of
Christianity. Also, the Africans often kept to their own beliefs. True, it
was the Arab (Muslim) traders that enslaved the Africans, and exported/sold
them to the West, and also to the East.