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Stephen Thomas Cole
May 20, 2019, 3:10:31 PM5/20/19
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Rambo <Ra...@thisaintreal.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2019 19:29:47 +0100, mm0fmf <no...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 20/05/2019 19:27, Brian Reay wrote:
>>> On 20/05/2019 19:15, Bernie wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2019 19:11:31 +0100
>>>> Bernie <bernie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2019 19:02:39 +0100
>>>>> Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/05/2019 18:36, Bernie wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2019 18:27:10 +0100
>>>>>>> Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 20/05/2019 18:10, Bernie wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2019 09:58:43 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>>>> Jeefaw K Effkay <mike.ga...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 10:28:57 AM UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> My 'crime' was to pose a question some years ago in .antenna
>>>>>>>>>>> asking which form of wave (ground, sky, space) carried what
>>>>>>>>>>> proportion of the RF power, radiated from a short vertical rod
>>>>>>>>>>> antenna at MF/low HF. Since then some 'Award-winning MM-zeros
>>>>>>>>>>> and modern Fulls' have used this as a stick with which to
>>>>>>>>>>> beat me, despite a) not getting a sensible answer on .antenna
>>>>>>>>>>> and b) getting a sensible answer on UKRAM. The latest
>>>>>>>>>>> reference to the episode was from Class B Brian Reay only
>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday, so perhaps I should have included that as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I did answer that at the time. Perhaps you missed it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When the power leaves the antenna, it has no cognizance of
>>>>>>>>>> whether it's going to be a ground wave, direct wave or sky
>>>>>>>>>> wave.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The signal might leave the transmitting antenna at an angle of
>>>>>>>>>> 20º. If it reaches one of the F layers of the ionosphere and is
>>>>>>>>>> refracted, clearly it's a sky wave. But if a listener on a
>>>>>>>>>> hilltop 20km away receives it, it's a ground wave. Or if it's
>>>>>>>>>> picked up by a passing aircraft, it's a direct wave.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your problem can only be considered from the viewpoint of the
>>>>>>>>>> receiving antenna, not from that of the transmitting
>>>>>>>>>> antenna.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He wouldn't accept it, he wanted discrete WAVES. He did sort of
>>>>>>>>> come around a bit, but it needed too much back-pedalling from
>>>>>>>>> his original position of LOTS OF WAVES.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which only shows how tenuous his grasp of RF theory.
>>>>>>> Yes, he started with a faulty mental model:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Three different waves will be launched from this: the sky wave,
>>>>>>> the space wave (including the reflected ray), and the surface
>>>>>>> wave. Each of these have their own characteristics, inasmuch as
>>>>>>> the sky wave is launched willy-nilly even if the band isn't open
>>>>>>> for that mode, the space wave depends on the path to the
>>>>>>> receiver, and the surface wave depends on the electromagnetic
>>>>>>> characteristics of the air and the surface material, although to
>>>>>>> some extent the latter affects all the waves generated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My question is: since all these result from the emission of RF
>>>>>>> from the short rod antenna, what proportions of the total RF power
>>>>>>> supplied to it are found in each of these three separate waves,
>>>>>>> and what factors control these proportions?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then refused to be moved away from that model.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HE WANTED HIS FUCKING WAVES!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably thought the Germans took them - EUSSR cunts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROTFL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That reminds me of Dumbo's famous jam / caviar admission ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IIRC, Brian Howie showed him a polar diagram of a low radiation angle
>>>>> antenna, scaled in dB and that enlightened him, a little.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still wouldn't move away from discrete waves, though.
>>>>
>>>> Discrete WAVES being launched.
>>>>> The front of the man.
>>>
>>> Those familiar with "Hitch Hikers' Guide to the Galaxy" may see an
>>> analogy here.
>>>
>>> When confronted with (essentially) the answer to his question, it was
>>> obvious he didn't understand the question, let alone the answer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I thought he was trolling (as per) when he posted it. But when it came
>> clear he was being serious my flabber was gasted. At a stroke he undid
>> years of careful false persona building. The silly old twat.
>
> Do you ever have an original thought or idea in your head?
> When did you start copying others?
> I bet it was in infants school......
> Dimwit...
>
Rich, why did you say you held a Full when you actually only held a 2E0?
--
STC / M0TEY / People’s Champion 2018
http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur
> On Mon, 20 May 2019 19:29:47 +0100, mm0fmf <no...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 20/05/2019 19:27, Brian Reay wrote:
>>> On 20/05/2019 19:15, Bernie wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2019 19:11:31 +0100
>>>> Bernie <bernie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2019 19:02:39 +0100
>>>>> Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/05/2019 18:36, Bernie wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2019 18:27:10 +0100
>>>>>>> Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 20/05/2019 18:10, Bernie wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2019 09:58:43 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>>>> Jeefaw K Effkay <mike.ga...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 10:28:57 AM UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> My 'crime' was to pose a question some years ago in .antenna
>>>>>>>>>>> asking which form of wave (ground, sky, space) carried what
>>>>>>>>>>> proportion of the RF power, radiated from a short vertical rod
>>>>>>>>>>> antenna at MF/low HF. Since then some 'Award-winning MM-zeros
>>>>>>>>>>> and modern Fulls' have used this as a stick with which to
>>>>>>>>>>> beat me, despite a) not getting a sensible answer on .antenna
>>>>>>>>>>> and b) getting a sensible answer on UKRAM. The latest
>>>>>>>>>>> reference to the episode was from Class B Brian Reay only
>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday, so perhaps I should have included that as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I did answer that at the time. Perhaps you missed it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When the power leaves the antenna, it has no cognizance of
>>>>>>>>>> whether it's going to be a ground wave, direct wave or sky
>>>>>>>>>> wave.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The signal might leave the transmitting antenna at an angle of
>>>>>>>>>> 20º. If it reaches one of the F layers of the ionosphere and is
>>>>>>>>>> refracted, clearly it's a sky wave. But if a listener on a
>>>>>>>>>> hilltop 20km away receives it, it's a ground wave. Or if it's
>>>>>>>>>> picked up by a passing aircraft, it's a direct wave.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your problem can only be considered from the viewpoint of the
>>>>>>>>>> receiving antenna, not from that of the transmitting
>>>>>>>>>> antenna.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He wouldn't accept it, he wanted discrete WAVES. He did sort of
>>>>>>>>> come around a bit, but it needed too much back-pedalling from
>>>>>>>>> his original position of LOTS OF WAVES.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which only shows how tenuous his grasp of RF theory.
>>>>>>> Yes, he started with a faulty mental model:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Three different waves will be launched from this: the sky wave,
>>>>>>> the space wave (including the reflected ray), and the surface
>>>>>>> wave. Each of these have their own characteristics, inasmuch as
>>>>>>> the sky wave is launched willy-nilly even if the band isn't open
>>>>>>> for that mode, the space wave depends on the path to the
>>>>>>> receiver, and the surface wave depends on the electromagnetic
>>>>>>> characteristics of the air and the surface material, although to
>>>>>>> some extent the latter affects all the waves generated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My question is: since all these result from the emission of RF
>>>>>>> from the short rod antenna, what proportions of the total RF power
>>>>>>> supplied to it are found in each of these three separate waves,
>>>>>>> and what factors control these proportions?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then refused to be moved away from that model.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HE WANTED HIS FUCKING WAVES!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably thought the Germans took them - EUSSR cunts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROTFL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That reminds me of Dumbo's famous jam / caviar admission ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IIRC, Brian Howie showed him a polar diagram of a low radiation angle
>>>>> antenna, scaled in dB and that enlightened him, a little.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still wouldn't move away from discrete waves, though.
>>>>
>>>> Discrete WAVES being launched.
>>>>> The front of the man.
>>>
>>> Those familiar with "Hitch Hikers' Guide to the Galaxy" may see an
>>> analogy here.
>>>
>>> When confronted with (essentially) the answer to his question, it was
>>> obvious he didn't understand the question, let alone the answer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I thought he was trolling (as per) when he posted it. But when it came
>> clear he was being serious my flabber was gasted. At a stroke he undid
>> years of careful false persona building. The silly old twat.
>
> Do you ever have an original thought or idea in your head?
> When did you start copying others?
> I bet it was in infants school......
> Dimwit...
>
Rich, why did you say you held a Full when you actually only held a 2E0?
--
STC / M0TEY / People’s Champion 2018
http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur
Rambo
May 20, 2019, 3:31:40 PM5/20/19
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On 20 May 2019 19:10:29 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
Don't start ...he'll only keep repeating himself ad nauseam...
Like you.
Like you.
Jim GM4DHJ ...
May 22, 2019, 4:29:49 AM5/22/19
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>
> Don't start ...he'll only keep repeating himself ad nauseam...
>
> Like you.
>
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