Where was Tuscan Villa?
Wasn't the Hall given to the town but without funds to maintain it?
I've seen the mess round that new hotel - The Washington or something.
It always seems to be being dug up and changed. Our family used to
have houses round there. John Street, Edkin Street, Peter Street. My
grandparents lived in 23(?) Peter Street I think.
I once went to St John's School for a few days. I was packed off to
Workington before term finished because my Mum was ill. Some one
thought I needed to get the last week or two of schooling. It was
awful, and thankfully I can't remember much about it. What a thing to
do to a seven/eight year old 300 miles from home! I think my Grandma
realised my misery after a day or two and refused to send me again.
Luckily she had been a teacher in Workington so nobody in the family
argued about an educational matter!
Edgar
Isn't it ugly Russell.The whole area. Gone is The Galleon cafe and all those
nice cakes on three flight cake dishes serve by the lovely lady in the black
dress and white pinafore.
Edith.
>Where was Tuscan Villa?
Tuscan Villa stood behind Whybrow Terrace, West of the Methodist
Church, in its own grounds off South William Street. On the
other (West) side stood a funeral directors and the RC primary
school. Opposite stood Murraydale Terrace and the URC church.
It was an interesting looking house, with, IIRC, octagonal or
hexagonal tall chimney stacks and large bay windows. There
were "ancient ruins" in the grounds, but were follies really. I
can't remember it being pulled down, but I suppose it was to
make way for the new Doctors' health-centre built on the same
site.
>
>Wasn't the Hall given to the town but without funds to maintain
it?
Workington Hall was given over to Workington Borough Council in
1946 by the then lady of the manor, Isabel Chance, to be
used "for the public good" - with plans, perhaps, to turn it
into a town hall and offices. Unfortunately, the borough
council let it rot beyond economic repair, and in the early
1970's, it was officially turned into a ruin, with the
demolition of some parts, and the lowering of some of the walls.
Like many youths, I remember ratching about in the ruins as a
kid in the 1960's, and can remember the ornate plasterwork and
grand staircase. We were always wary of "Galloping harry's
ghost" - said to have been killed by his french maid, who pulled
him down the stairs by his feet, banging his head on each step.
She scarpered with all his chattels, flogged them, and was never
seen again, evidently.
Rumour had it that there was a tunnel between either Workington
Hall and Burrow Walls, or Workington Hall and the harbour, but
probably just what it was - a rumour.
>
>I've seen the mess round that new hotel - The Washington or
something.
>It always seems to be being dug up and changed. Our family
used to
>have houses round there. John Street, Edkin Street, Peter
Street. My
>grandparents lived in 23(?) Peter Street I think.
>
>I once went to St John's School for a few days.
I went there! - 1964 to 1968, then it was demolished.
Russell W. B.
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That said, it has improved slightly, and word is that
further "improvements" are afoot. The old PO is going to be a
restaurant, I believe. The shops are much improved, even though
most of the shops are the same as anywhere else. they tend to
change hands quite a bit, though. Bring back Ben Shaws, I
say....
RWB
I once had a notion to buy Tuscon Villa but by X didn't want to give me the
pleasure of living at home while he spent his time roaming the big wide
world.
Murraydale Terrace and the URC church.
I have a photo of Murray Terrace. I found it worth while to take a photo
looking down the lane one sommer while flowers were in bloom. It was really
nice. Didn't resemble Workington at all when I got the photos developed.We
used to take short cuts through that back alley on the Monkey Run (Trot?) on
Sunday nights.
"Where are you going all dolled up like that?"
"Down on't Monkey Run, Dad!"
Unfortunately, the borough
> council let it rot beyond economic repair,
There should be Government grants for such things ?
My class visited Workington Hall in early 50's. There was still some
furniture in there. The colour- red - dominates my memory. There was an
uncovered well outside too has I remeber. Our teacher was very concerned so
we nosy kids were told to keep our distance.
Mary Queen of Scots stayed over at the Hall on her way to visit Queen
Elizabeth 1st in London. It was a journy from which she would never return.
One way of getting rid of Mary was to invite her to visit then have her
beheaded. I believe Mary and her soldiers crossed the sands from Scotland to
England by horse-back at low tide which gave them 11 hours before the tide
came in again filling the Solway. Does anyone know from where the Queen left
Scotland and at where did the party mount the shore banks in England on
their journy to London via Workington?
(The beheading makes one wonder a bit about peole's genes)
I'd say it's time for peace between all the countries and counties in Great
Britain-----and no more excuses.
Edith.
Thank you for the information about Tuscan Villa. It's new to me, but
I've found it on an old map - I wasn't looking in the right places at
all. Big place it seems. Who had it?
Last Autumn we had a chat with a lady in the tourist office in Finkle
St. She, too, told us about playing on the stairs in The Hall. She
didn't tell us about galloping Harry. Wish I'd seen inside then. I
remember it as being well and truly locked up in the '50s. Round here
someone would certainly want to develop that super site - hotel,
superior flats, corporate head office, municipal centre (offices,
library, baths, leisure centre, etc) .....
I was told the tunnel went from Billy Bumbly House to the Hall and
that it was for contraband. I wonder what started the idea. Did the
mine levels link up across town? The old Isabella pit must have been
near B B house, and there was John pit near Roper St.
I can't remember just when I was at St John's, but I think it was the
very early '50s at the end of a summer term.
Edgar
Tuscan Villa was built in 1843 by a chap called John Guy, who
made his money, like others in Workington at that time, in the
straw hat business. he imported the straw from Tuscany, hence
the name.
<bit snipped....>
>I was told the tunnel went from Billy Bumbly House to the Hall
and
>that it was for contraband. I wonder what started the idea. Did
the
>mine levels link up across town?
Yes, to a certain degree.
The old Isabella pit must have been
>near B B house, and there was John pit near Roper St.
The old isabella pit was at the extreme west end of Chapel Bank,
near the rail crossing. When I worked at Chapel Bank in the
1970's, it was used for dumping waste cyanide down!!
Russell W. B.
>(The beheading makes one wonder a bit about peole's genes)
Like diarrhoea, I suppose, is hereditary; It runs in one's genes
(jeans, geddit?) hahahahahahah!
Sorry....
RWB
>Mary Queen of Scots stayed over at the Hall on her way to visit
Queen
>Elizabeth 1st in London. It was a journy from which she would
never return.
>One way of getting rid of Mary was to invite her to visit then
have her
>beheaded. I believe Mary and her soldiers crossed the sands
from Scotland to
>England by horse-back at low tide which gave them 11 hours
before the tide
>came in again filling the Solway. Does anyone know from where
the Queen left
>Scotland and at where did the party mount the shore banks in
England on
>their journy to London via Workington?
Mary Queen of Scots sailed over in a small fishing boat, leaving
from the mouth of the Abbey burn, a few miles south of
Dundrennan Abbey. Apparently, she was met at Workington,
although I did read somewhere that she may have actually landed
at Allonby.
My Grandmother told me about the "Monkey Run". Was it still
going when you were a lass? One would get locked up for
stalking these days! - I have it on good authority that there
were those at Annie Pit (no family names mentioned!) who kept
their coal in the bath....
Russell W. B.
Edith.
Yes, that's what I heard. That Mary went ashore north of Workington
somewhere but why Allonby. I thought it was nearer Workington. Let's see
now. What would the coast line allow. High tide, low tide. Yep. Even with a
little fishing boat one could have difficulty landing, especially as they
were rowing boats in those days depending on wind and weather and time was
scarce because of the tides. But common sense (if I have any) tells me they
would try to come ashore nearer Workington and that is where the horse ride
came into the picture. ?????? I've got a feeling I was there.
>
> My Grandmother told me about the "Monkey Run". Was it still
> going when you were a lass? One would get locked up for
> stalking these days!
The 'Monkey Run' was still going on Russell and should go down in history
books has the way many Cumbrian youths found their spouse.Great fun.Gosh it
was such fun to get all dressed up in my best clothes on a Sunday night and
put on some max factor, mascara and lipstick and walk around and around the
block until I was dizzy feeling like a millionairess then catch the last bus
home feeling on top of the world because maybe som boy that I had a crush on
gave me a kiss and a hug or just brushed my arm. It made the coming week
seem so much easier to get through. Inocent bliss. Try and find some now
adays. You'll need a spying glass to find anything that even slightly
ressembles it.That's elementary dear Watson.
- I have it on good authority that there
> were those at Annie Pit (no family names mentioned!) who kept
> their coal in the bath....
I... Annie Pit was a renown place for many strange goings on. I bet the
place has a history of it's own that would make our hair stand on end. If
you take aside Annie Pit and do a specific research on the area I'm sure you
would find a lot of interesting factors that don't relate to the rest of the
town or area. A society within a society so to speak. When I was home in
1985 I heard that the nick named that had been given this area was' roach
valley' or something like that.That name wasn't at all colourful enough in
my oppinion.
Edith. (My spelling check has conked out again.( Swear!)
Edith.
Russell,
Never heard of the straw hat business - or of John Guy. Why Tuscan
straw?
Do you know a good book about Workington history? I've got "The Iron
& Steel Industry of West Cumberland" by Lancaster & Wattleworth, a
collection of county histories (Pason & White etc), and some Herbert &
Mary things, but would like something specific and detailed about
Workington.
I feel I should know about Chapel Bank but all I can find is about the
Chapel Bank Colliery - flooded and closed in 1837 - north of Annie Pit
Lane and west of the Railway. WNW of that is shown Lady Pit. The map
shows Isabella Pit just south of John Pier and well to the north of
Lady Pit, slightly north of a direct line West of St Michael's. Chapel
Bank colliery , Isabella Pit, and Lady Pit all seem to have closed at
the same time in 1837. I suppose they were all part of the same
complex.
Chapel Bank and Banklands were both Curwen collieries. Perhaps that
gives strength to the tunnel story.
Interesting about cyanide dumping - I wonder where it gets to down
there.
Edgar
P.S. It's just come to me as I was about to press the button. Chapel
Bank is the enormous factory building running along the slag bank
(where slags stash their tips?). Right? We used to call it Distington
Foundry or Distington Shore Works or something like that. What
happened to it? In about 1985 we were staying in a cottage at
Seatoller and I got a desperate urge to see Workington. We parked near
the harbour and walked around. It was quite different from my
memories. Lots of Edith's hated grassy banks, but then without even
the grass. The works looked pretty tired, but there were some long
wagons on the sidings. We bought a wire of delicious plaice in the
harbour. An Australian friend with us was rather taken with the area.
I think it said British Industrial Heritage to her. She was much less
chuffed another day when we saw Geiger counter men on Ravenglass
beach.
E
>I worked at Chapel Bank until 1969. Don't remember you.
Whereabouts
>did you work?
>--
Before my time June - I started in 1975 as an apprentice
Electrician, and left in 1980 when the foundry shut. I worked
all over, but mostly in the foundry and CCSD (the new bit
opposite the drybread).
RWB
>Never heard of the straw hat business - or of John Guy. Why
Tuscan
>straw?
Italian wheat straw apparently had the right properties for the
type of hats manufactured. It was found later that Dunstable
straw did the job, and was more easy to grow in the UK.
>
>Do you know a good book about Workington history? I've
got "The Iron
>& Steel Industry of West Cumberland" by Lancaster & Wattleworth,
I've got this book; - v. good.
a
>collection of county histories (Pason & White etc), and some
Herbert &
>Mary things, but would like something specific and detailed
about
>Workington.
"The history Of Workington" by Richard Byers. ISBN 0 9529812 2
X @ 19.99 UKP Published by Richard Byers, PO Box 25,
Cockermouth, Cumbria.
Chapel Bank was the site for the Distington Engineering Company,
built with rapidity during WWII to manufacture special steel for
bearings. Originally the Distington Haemetite Iron Company, the
only connection with Distington was that the gates to the plant
came from Distington hall.
The name-deception was probably to confuse the enemy, and
interestingly enough, on Moresby Moss, above Distington, was
a "Q" bombimg decoy site to draw enemy bombs from the nearby
heavy industry.
Have a look at my web-site at:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rwbarnes
Russell W. B.
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Edith.
RWB
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Congratulate the lucky lady.
Edith.
You have a spell checker Edith?!?!
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Edith.
Thank you. I'll get it.
> Chapel Bank was the site for the Distington Engineering Company,
> built with rapidity during WWII to manufacture special steel for
> bearings. Originally the Distington Haemetite Iron Company, the
> only connection with Distington was that the gates to the plant
> came from Distington hall.
> The name-deception was probably to confuse the enemy, and
> interestingly enough, on Moresby Moss, above Distington, was
> a "Q" bombimg decoy site to draw enemy bombs from the nearby
> heavy industry.
Didn't know about "Q" sites, although I was once told of such a thing
on Seal Sands.
> Have a look at my web-site at:
>
> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rwbarnes
>
Again thank you. I enjoyed it very much.
Edgar
Chapel Bank was still going in 1960. I remember it so well. I went to
Carlisle Collage of Art at the time and this was when we still had to go to
school on Saturdays. I was waiting for the bus home one Saturday afternoon
with my drawing board under my arm and my school bag on my shoulder staring,
half asleep at the Town Hall. Then out walks the Mayor, The Prince of Norway
and some delegates. Haakon (mounts: can't remember the word for pulling up
the flag ) and closes some sort of deal with Chapel Bank Steel Works. I was
the only person that saw this.From then on I knew I would land up in
Norway.Little did the Prince know at that moment, that I was pregnant with
one of the Norwegian sea men who's ship docked only once in Workington- M/S
"Essex" to deliver bauxite to Chapel Bank and that he wasn't the only one
with a secret love in his heart that day- being Sonja, a student who went to
the same school has him and who is now his wife and Norway's Queen.
Edith.
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
You look like a monkey
And you smell like one too.
Edith.
. Just seen Marianne Faithfull on [Never Mind the]
> Buzzcocks, makes me feel old (cos she looks it).
Don't know who she is. Must be before my time Steve. You are not old until
you order the fourteenth pint thinking it's your first.
Edith.
David
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mailto:da...@dboyd.demon.co.uk
Cumbria, UK
Thank You
Regards Edith.
Ah yes, I remember the ingot moulds at Chapel Bank, when I was a mere
computer programmer there in the late '60's. B-boom, b-boom! they went
when they were being tamped down!
--
June Hughes
aka 'The Jolter'
>aka 'The Jolter'
>
I got my first electric shock as an apprentice electrician wiring a socket
on the jolter. It wasn't my last, either!
RWB
Thanks Edith :-))
> . Just seen Marianne Faithfull on [Never Mind the]
> > Buzzcocks, makes me feel old (cos she looks it).
>
> Don't know who she is. Must be before my time Steve. You are not old until
> you order the fourteenth pint thinking it's your first.
>
> Edith.
>
60s singer and hippie - went out with Mick Jagger and others - NO not me!
Marianne Faithfull.
I love it!! It's impossible to mention Marianne Faithfull
without also bringing up the subject of Mars Bars. That
story has been running for 30 years. Can you just imagine
how sick she is of hearing it?!! She always denies of
course. Well, you would.
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Edith.
>Mars Bars? Marianne Faithfull?What did she do with them?
Oh gawd, how can we put this in a genteel manner.
It is alleged that the aforementioned confectionery was placed in a female
orifice designed for procreation and that her then companion, obviously
feeling a drop in his blood-sugar level decided to consume it in-situ!
Regards
Kevin
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me
than a full frontal lobotomy
Edith.
> Aw! She shoved them up her ...nose, then.
nose....?? procreation?? what position is that?
> What a kink.
No. Jagger was/is in The Stones. You are probably thinking
of Ray Davies.
Edith.
>That tells me you must be *really* old, Russell!
>--
Er, not that old, thank you, June.... I probably thought at the time that it
was a waste of a Mars bar, nothing else 8¬) !
RWB
regards
d1x1e
>Aw! She shoved them up her ...nose, then.What a kink.
How the hell did you ever manage to have kids then <g>.
> apparently it was gonna be a milky way, but she
> refused on the grounds that it doesn't 'fill you up'
> between meals.
apparently it was gonna be a twix, but she refused on the
grounds that two fingers weren't filling enough.
Thank you.Definitely one of my more diplomatic efforts <g>.
Regards