PCSO Overstep the mark?
Judith M Smith
Police community support officers (PCSOs) stopped Italian student
Simona Bonomo under anti-terrorism legislation for filming buildings
in London. Moments later, she was arrested by other officers, held in
a police cell and fined. She talks Paul Lewis through the footage she
recorded of her conversation with the PSCOs
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2009/dec/15/police-terrorism
I will be interested in Rets comments on this.
Special Care
Nigel Oldfield
Should have ignored the FP and then argued in Mags the next day.
WM
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"Nigel Oldfield" <wmcritica...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Was this was possibly offered as an option of avoiding further detention or
overnight custody in the police cells?
She should have just laid down on the cell mattress and said 'See you in
court first thing in the morning' should she - argued it with the Mags the
next day should she?
<nux vomica>
Special Care
of our collective mental illness.
These bums are OUR creation, thrown up by the FEAR and INADEQUACY
which reside in the deeper layer of our consciousness.
These bums EXIST because collectively we grant them permission to
EXIST.
These bums are OUR sickness, communicating to us the message:
"WHAT A BUNCH OF USELESS IMBECILES THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN ARE IF YOU
ALLOW A STUPID SHITHEAD LIKE ME TO EXIST AND TO DO THIS TO YOU !"
The mere EXISTENCE of that fake, amateur policeman is proof of very
severe collective mental illness in the people of this country.
That useless bum is NOT SEPARATE FROM YOU.
That useless bum is YOUR CREATION, thrown up as a projection of the
filth that you conceal in the deeper layers of YOUR minds, you fools.
Stop trying to disown him.
He is not separate from you.
He is YOUR creation.
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Greyprimer
they wander why nobody respects them, bring back smart police and set an
example to these young people, not join them in their scruffy looks
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MM
He appears to have disappeared! Probably fed up with having the defend
the indefensible too often.
MM
MM
<greyp...@autopaintshop.org.hk> wrote:
>Proper ones are no better, scruffy no ties, dirty shoes, not shaven, then
>they wander why nobody respects them, bring back smart police and set an
>example to these young people, not join them in their scruffy looks
Indeed. German bus drivers look more neatly attired.
However, scruffiness completely describes the British. Everywhere one
looks.
MM
Kim Bolton
Judith M Smith wrote:
What was the object on the PCSO's right shoulder? It looked like a
carabiner, but his (rather embarassed) colleague didn't have one.
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Kim Bolton
Dead Paul
It seems the regular police were the nastier party in this action.
They know they are reviled so they think wtf lets make a meal of it
instead of working to regain our trust again and the process just
runs away with itself like a hot silicon chip under positive
feedback/runaway.
Turk182
This is Labour's Stalinst roots coming through.
Turk182
Sam
"Judith M Smith" <judith...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
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His response will be a predictably lickspittle attempt at blowing smoke up
the coppers arses, depicting them as poor downtrodden hard working
professionals who do a very hard job in the face of increasing public
disobedience, all while cowering under the dark threatening cloud of
terrorist armageddon.
Meanwhile he will paint the photographer as an aggressive and unreasonable
potential terrorist/pedo who has no right even owning a camera, let alone
weilding it in public.
In his blinkered eyes, the police are angelic, almost god-like figures who
are incapable of any wrongdoing, while the public are all evil criminals who
are all guilty of something but just haven't been caught yet.
Turk182
> "Judith M Smith" <judithmsm...@live.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:988gi5lqr8b7r7iri...@4ax.com...
There is something quite sinister here. It is the way the officer
tried to portray the woman as being cheeky when in fact it was his
behaviour which was unreasonable. This tactic by officers of
pretending they are dealing with a 'problem' when they are not is a
form of what the Met used to call 'verbalising'. 'Verbalising' was
the device they used to use in court to 'dress up' someone's behaviour
in words, to try and obtain a conviction.
I suspect, that in spite of the officer's distancing from any other
motive, one could easily conclude that his non-acceptance of the
girl's explanation that she was 'filming for fun'. smacked of a kind
of harrassment not indifferent to that experienced by racial
minorities.
Did you also notice how the officer's behaviour was becoming more and
more intense - psychologically it was clear that he was not going to
be beaten and would lie if required in order to get one over 'some
foreign speaking student'. This I'm afarid is the kind of damaged,
bonehead copper that defines the quality of modern policing. He was a
mini-version of John Prescott! Thick and arrogant.
Turk182
Michael Swift
<kyli...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>Proper ones are no better, scruffy no ties, dirty shoes, not shaven, then
>>they wander why nobody respects them, bring back smart police and set an
>>example to these young people, not join them in their scruffy looks
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>Indeed. German bus drivers look more neatly attired.
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police there were very scruffy, things may have changed.
>However, scruffiness completely describes the British. Everywhere one
>looks.
I'll give you that, Ye Gods they even sell a shaver to 'manage your
stubble' FFS.
Mike
--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
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"Turk182" <digital...@aol.com> wrote in message
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It seems to me that you are all missing the importance of the absence of one
particular detail - is there any available CCTV surveillance footage of the
incident [what does it show?]?
Why has nobody asked about this so far?
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> court first thing in the morning' should she - ''argued it in the Mags the
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When she had committed no offence whatsoever had she?
Are you actually talking bullshit or what?
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No, he is correct, that is how it works and you can do nothing about
it for a Public Order Offence if the Desk Searg says so.
WM
Steve Walker
"nux vomica" <nux vom...@nowhere.con> wrote in message
> It seems to me that you are all missing the importance of the absence of
> one particular detail - is there any available CCTV surveillance footage
> of the incident [what does it show?]?
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CCTV footage of any incident involving police malpractice is invariably
unavailable, damaged or lost.
Culex (The Infamous Culex)
> "nux vomica" <nux vom...@nowhere.con> wrote in messagenews:hgarab$27d3$1...@adenine.netfront.net...
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> > It seems to me that you are all missing the importance of the absence of
> > one particular detail - is there any available CCTV surveillance footage
> > of the incident [what does it show?]?
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> unavailable, damaged or lost.
... especially when the IPCC has decided to investigate.
Has the IPCC been trained by Paul Daniels?
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Ste
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> > It seems to me that you are all missing the importance of the absence of
> > one particular detail - is there any available CCTV surveillance footage
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> unavailable, damaged or lost.
Yes, I've found that to be the case, too.
Culex (The Infamous Culex)
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> > On Dec 15, 11:52 pm, Judith M Smith <judithmsm...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> >> You're filming for fun? I don't believe you'
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> >> Police community support officers (PCSOs) stopped Italian student
> >> Simona Bonomo under anti-terrorism legislation for filming buildings
> >> in London. Moments later, she was arrested by other officers, held in
> >> a police cell and fined. She talks Paul Lewis through the footage she
> >> recorded of her conversation with the PSCOs
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> >>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2009/dec/15/police-terrorism
She should have instructed that arroghe merda of a pseudo-plod to
"Vaffanculo", possibly adding, in an apologetic voice, "Tua madre si
da per niente."
> >> I will be interested in Rets comments on this.
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> > Should have ignored the FP and then argued in Mags the next day.
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> Was this was possibly offered as an option of avoiding further detention or
> overnight custody in the police cells?
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> She should have just laid down on the cell mattress and said 'See you in
> court first thing in the morning' should she - argued it with the Mags the
> next day should she?
As you know, that would be futile; magistrates are selected for their
inability to think ill of the police.
What she should have done would have been to demand to see the Italian
consul or Ambassador _subito_ and, until then, to refuse to speak
another word of English.
vomica@nowhere.con nux vomica
"Nigel Oldfield" <wmcritica...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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So, if you are detained for a Public Order Offence, you have no rights at
all, as you seemingly imply?
Who actually says so - where does any UK law say that>
Do we actually have any lawyers here on this newsgroup who can say with
certainty whether or not what you claim is true?
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