Freemason Brother Frederick West
Warren Buckley
1941 - 1 January 1995), was an English serial killer known to have been
in full-fellowship with at least one English Masonic lodge, the
Gloucestershire Round Table Lodge.
Between 1967 and 1987, Brother Fred West and his wife Rosemary tortured,
raped and murdered at least 12 young women and girls, many at the
couple's homes. The majority of the murders occurred between May 1973
and September 1979 at their home in Gloucester. Rosemary West also
murdered Brother Fred West's stepdaughter (his first wife's biological
daughter) Charmaine, while he was serving a prison sentence for theft.
Brother Fred West was born into a poor family of farm workers in
Bickerton Cottage, Much Marcle, Herefordshire, to Walter Stephen West (5
July 1914 - 28 March 1992) and Daisy Hannah Hill (1922-6 February 1968).
Brother Fred West was the second of their six children. Brother West
would later claim that his father had incestuous relationships with his
daughters. It has been suggested that incest was an accepted part of the
household, and that his father taught him bestiality from an early age.
Brother West recalled, in police interviews, that his father had said on
many occasions "Do what you want, just don’t get caught doing it". It is
also alleged that his mother Daisy began sexually abusing him from the
age of 12.
At school, Brother Fred West showed an aptitude for woodwork and
artwork, but did not excel academically. Brother West left school at the
age of 15 in December 1956, two years later, in November 1958, he
suffered a fractured skull and a broken arm and leg in a motorcycle
accident. The accident put him into an eight-day coma. His family
reported that after the accident he became prone to sudden fits of rage.
Two years later, he was unconscious for 24 hours after hitting his head
in a fall from a fire escape.
At age 20, he was arrested for molesting a 13-year-old girl. Brother
Fred West was convicted, but escaped a sentence of imprisonment. His
family effectively disowned him thereafter.
Marriage to Rena Costello
In September 1962, the 21-year-old Brother Fred West became re-
acquainted with a former girlfriend, Catherine Costello, who was now
better known as Rena from her time working as a prostitute. Costello was
already pregnant by another man, and she and Brother Fred West married
on 17 November before moving to Coatbridge, Lanarkshire. Her daughter,
Charmaine Carol, was born on 22 February 1963. Costello and West claimed
they had adopted Charmaine, whose father was from Pakistan. In July 1964
Costello bore Brother Fred West a daughter named Anne Marie. During this
period in Coatbridge, Brother Fred West worked as an ice cream van
driver. On 4 November 1965, Brother Fred West ran over and killed a
four-year-old boy with his van.
The family, along with Isa McNeill who looked after the couple's
children and Costello's friend Anne McFall, moved into the Lakeside
caravan park in Bishop's Cleeve, Gloucestershire at the end of 1965 when
Brother Fred West feared for his safety following the ice cream van
incident. To escape from Brother Fred West's sadistic sexual demands,
Costello and McNeill moved to Scotland in 1966 while McFall, who had
become infatuated with Brother West, and the two children remained with
him. Costello continued to visit the children every few months. In
August 1967 McFall, who was eight months pregnant with Brother West's
child, vanished. McFall was never reported missing and her remains were
found in June 1994.
In September 1967, Costello returned to live with Brother Fred West, but
left again the following year, putting the children in Brother West's
care.
Marriage to Rosemary "Rose" Letts
While still married to Costello, 27-year-old Brother Fred West met his
next wife, Rosemary Letts, on 29 November 1968, on her 15th birthday. On
her 16th birthday she moved in with him and a few months later they
moved from the caravan to a two-story house in Midland Road, Gloucester.
On 17 October 1970, Rosemary gave birth to their daughter, Heather Anne.
Brother Fred West was imprisoned for theft on 4 December 1970 and
remained so until his release on 24 June 1971.
It is believed that Rosemary killed Charmaine (Brother Fred West's
stepdaughter from his first marriage) shortly before Brother West's
release in June 1971. According to Anne Marie, both sisters were subject
to frequent beatings, but Charmaine infuriated Rosemary by her refusal
to cry no matter how severe they got. Charmaine disappeared in mid June,
with Rosemary explaining Costello had called and taken her back to
Scotland. Costello turned up in late August to collect Charmaine, and
also disappeared.
On 29 January 1972, Brother Fred and Rosemary West married in
Gloucester, and on 1 June of that year, Rosemary gave birth to their
second daughter, Mae. Around this time Brother Fred West encouraged his
wife into prostitution. Rosemary eventually had seven children, of which
three were mixed race. Needing a bigger house, the family moved to 25
Cromwell St, where Brother Fred West converted the upper floor to bed
sits. "Rose's Room", the room Rosemary used for prostitution had
peepholes so he could watch and a red light outside the door for warning
the children not to enter when she was "busy". Like Brother Fred West,
Rosemary came from a family where incest was common; Rosemary's father,
Bill Letts, with Brother Fred's approval, would often visit their home
to have sex with Rosemary.
In October 1972 the Wests hired 17-year-old Caroline Roberts as the
children's nanny. She rejected Brother Fred and Rosemary's advances into
their "sex-circle" and left a few weeks later. On 6 December 1972 the
Wests invited her to their home, where they both raped her. Brother Fred
West allowed Roberts to leave the next day only after she promised she
would return as their nanny. Roberts reported the rape to police but
withdrew the accusation when the case came to court. The Wests pleaded
guilty to a reduced charge of indecent assault and were fined £50.
In early 1973, the Wests took eight-year-old Anne Marie to the cellar,
where they bound and gagged her before Brother Fred West raped her while
Rosemary watched.
In 1979 Anne Marie became pregnant by Brother Fred West, but the
pregnancy was terminated as it was ectopic. Unable to cope with her
father any longer, she left home; Brother Fred West now began abusing
Heather, who disappeared a few years later.
Investigation, arrest and conviction
In May 1992, Brother Fred West filmed himself raping one of his other
daughters, and twice again afterwards. She told friends at school what
had happened. On 4 August one of the friends told her mother and she
went to the police. On 6 August 1992, the police decided to investigate,
eventually leading to Brother Fred West being charged, with Rosemary as
an accomplice, with rape. She was also charged with child cruelty and
the remaining children were placed in foster care. The rape case against
the Wests collapsed when the two main witnesses declined to testify at
the court case on 7 June 1993. The police continued investigating the
disappearance of their daughter Heather. After taking statements from
social workers about a joke about "Heather being buried under the
patio" and the children themselves, they obtained a further search
warrant in February 1994, allowing them to excavate the garden in search
of Heather. They started searching the house and excavating the garden
on 24 February 1994.
After Brother Fred West's arrest the following day, the police uncovered
human bones. Brother Fred West confessed, retracted and then re-
confessed to the murder of his daughter, denying that Rosemary was
involved. Rosemary was not arrested until April 1994, initially on sex
offences but later charged with murder. Further bodies were found and,
on 4 March 1994, Brother West admitted that he had carried out nine more
murders, including those of his first wife and Ann McFall. The remains
of McFall and Costello were subsequently unearthed in fields near the
village of Kempley.
Brother Fred West and Rosemary West were brought before a magistrates'
court in Gloucester on 30 June 1994; he was charged with 11 murders and
she with 10. Immediately afterwards, Brother Fred West was re-arrested
on suspicion of murdering Ann McFall, whose body had been found on 7
June 1994. On the evening of 3 July 1994, he was charged with her
murder.
On 1 January 1995, Brother Fred West somehow manage to hang himself
while on suicide watch on remand in his cell at Winson Green Prison,
Birmingham. His funeral was held in Coventry on 29 March 1995. Brother
Fred West was cremated with only three people present.
The evidence against Rosemary was circumstantial; unlike her husband,
she did not confess. She was tried in October 1995 at Winchester Crown
Court, found guilty of all 10 murders and sentenced to life
imprisonment. The trial judge recommended that she should never be
released and 18 months later the then serving Home Secretary Jack Straw
agreed with this recommendation.
In October 1996, the Wests' house, along with the adjoining property,
was demolished and the site made into a pathway. Every brick was crushed
and every timber was burned to discourage souvenir hunters.
In a 1998 interview with Charlie Rose, English novelist Martin Amis
revealed that he was a cousin of the Wests' victim Lucy Partington, who
disappeared in 1973.
The victims
Charmaine West (born 22 February 1963): Killed in June 1971 by Rosemary
West while Brother Fred West was in prison. No motive has been put
forward.
Catherine Bernadette "Rena" West (born 14 April 1944): Killed August
1971. Rena had called to take Charmaine away with her and it is believed
Brother Fred West killed her to avoid an investigation into Charmaine’s
whereabouts.
Lynda Gough (born 1 May 1953): Killed April 1973. A lodger at 25
Cromwell St, Gough and Rosemary would share lovers. Following her
disappearance Gough’s mother called to visit and Rosemary, wearing
Gough’s clothes, told her she had moved in order to work in Weston-
super-Mare.
Carol Ann Cooper (born 10 April 1958): Killed November 1973. Cooper was
living in a children’s home in Worcester when she disappeared while
walking home from the cinema.
Lucy Katherine Partington (born 4 March 1952): Killed December 1973.
Spent Christmas with her family in Cheltenham and visited a friend, and
disappeared after leaving to catch a bus home. There is strong evidence
that she had been kept alive for at least several days. A week after she
disappeared, Brother Fred West went to a hospital in the early hours of
3 January 1974 to get a serious laceration stitched. A knife matching
the cut was found with Partington's body and police surmise he sustained
the injury while dismembering the body. Partington, a university
student, was the cousin of novelist Martin Amis.
Theresa Siegenthaler (born 27 November 1952): Killed in April 1974. A
student in South London who left to hitch-hike to Ireland and
disappeared.
Shirley Hubbard (born 26 June 1959): Killed November 1974. Left a work
experience course in Droitwich to return home but did not arrive. When
her remains were found her head was completely covered in tape with only
a three-inch rubber tube inserted to allow her to breathe.
Juanita Marion Mott (born 1 March 1957): Killed April 1975. A former
lodger at 25 Cromwell St, Mott was living with a friend of her mother's
in Newent when she disappeared.
Shirley Anne Robinson (born 8 October 1959): Killed May 1978. A lodger
at 25 Cromwell St, Robinson was a prostitute for the Wests. Disappeared
after becoming pregnant with Brother Fred West’s child.
Alison Chambers (born 8 September 1962): Killed August 1979. Last known
sexually-motivated killing.
Heather Ann West (born 17 October 1970) Killed June 1987. Heather became
the focus of Brother Fred West’s attentions after Anne Marie left home.
Brother Fred West claimed he had not meant to kill her but she had been
sneering at him and he "had to take the smirk off her face". Rosemary
told an inquiring neighbour the following day that she and Heather had
had a "hell of a row" so it is believed Rosemary may have initiated her
death. The Wests told their children Heather had left for a job in
Devon, but later changed the story to her having run off with a lesbian
lover when she failed to contact or visit them. Later still Brother Fred
would threaten the children that they would "end up under the patio like
Heather" if they misbehaved. Heather's body was found under the patio
that Brother Fred West had inexplicably built over the fishpond his son
Stephen had dug.
Their only known victim after 1979 was their daughter Heather, although
the police believe the couple murdered more. There were no known murders
in the years 1976-1977, 1980-1986 and 1988-1992. During questioning
after being arrested, Brother Fred West had confessed to murdering up to
30 people, but the police believed the pair may have killed only 13. As
well as the 12 confirmed they believe West also killed 15-year-old Mary
Bastholm in 1968, but to date no body has been found.
Brother Fred West's son, Stephen, has said he firmly believed the
missing Gloucester teenager was an early victim of his father, as Fred
West had reportedly boasted of committing Miss Bastholme's murder while
on remand in prison during 1994.
Although no forensic evidence linked Brother Fred West to the murder of
Anne McFall, the state of the body (missing finger and toe bones as was
the case with the other bodies) and the dimensions of the grave site
match aspects of West's modus operandi.
With thanks to Wikipedia.
Warren Buckley
photograph of their Brother Vincent Tabak?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/05/article-1383779-0CDC5A71000005DC-
651_306x423.jpg
Is the Brotherhood proud of Freemason Vincent Tabak is a way they are not
of Brother Gerry McCann and Brother Harold Shipman?
Does anyone have Dutch lodge details for Brother Vincent Tabak?
Does anyone know why Brother Vincent Tabak murdered Joanna Yeates? Was
Joanna Yeates simply weak and defenceless, like the victims of Brother
Harold Shipman and Brother Keith Exford (CEO, Affinity Sutton Homes Group)?
I dare say Joanna Yeates was not nearly so weak and defenceless as
Madeleine McCann, the victim of Freemason Brother Gerry McCann.
It's a bit racist the way the British ask Brother Vincent Tabak if he can
speak English. In The Netherlands, like adjacent South-West Germany, they
speak it better than we do.
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Warren Buckley
photograph for Brother Vincent Tabak?
Is the Brotherhood proud of Freemason Vincent Tabak is a way they are not,
for example, of Brother Keith Exford, Brother Rod Dadak, Brother Gerry
Jeff
> Does anyone know why the Freemasons have left "Masons" on the standard
> photograph of their Brother Vincent Tabak? Is it a Masonic Lodge
> photograph for Brother Vincent Tabak?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5trau7q
>
Idiot!!
Swns Masons Hemedia is the photo agency, nothing at all to do with 'the
Masoons'.
Jeff
Peter Mackrory
"Warren Buckley" <inv...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9EE373F36A050in...@202.177.16.121...
> Does anyone know why the Freemasons have left "Masons" on the standard
> photograph of their Brother Vincent Tabak? Is it a Masonic Lodge
> photograph for Brother Vincent Tabak?
>
Can I suggest that if you're that bitter about being blackballed, you try
with another lodge? It is just possible that not *everybody* thinks that
you're a complete twat, and somebody somewhere will welcome you with open
arms........................
Warren Buckley
news:931r7s...@mid.individual.net:
> Can I suggest that if you're that bitter about
> being blackballed, you try with another lodge?
I have not ever applied to be a Freemason. They were not something that
occurred to my mind before I was told that Freemasons are harassing me.
I don't believe in God, although Australia's leading Christian (self-
appointed), Freemason Reverend Doctor Brother Rowland Croucher is in the
Sea of Faith movement, which claims God is man made, so maybe they will let
me in if I tell them I believe, as I do, that God is the sum of all our
values?
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/
(Brother Croucher's web shite)
> It is just possible that not *everybody* thinks
> that you're a complete twat, and somebody somewhere
> will welcome you with open arms........................
Can't they simply leave me alone? At my age, I know I ought, but I really
don't care how many of his daughters Freemason Brother Gerry McCann has
killed.
KIV11
wrote:
> Freemason Brother Frederick Walter Stephen 'Fred' West (29 September
> 1941 - 1 January 1995), was an English serial killer known to have been
> in full-fellowship with at least one English Masonic lodge, the
> Gloucestershire Round Table Lodge.
>
honesty.
Warren, good to see that you remain true to your hypocrisy of adding
Freemasonry and Brother to anyone's name in order to implicate the
Masonic order in any and all wrongdoings you can find on the internet.
You left out Charles Manson, Lee Harvey Oswald, Attila the Hun and
Adolph Hitler to name a few. Perhaps you can make them Masons at sight
and then blame Freemasonry for their crimes also.
Warren Buckley
a907b5...@dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> The rest of the doctored Wikipedia article
> deleted to preserve honesty.
Is that the one that ends "with thanks to Wikipedia?"
> Warren, good to see that you remain true to your hypocrisy
> of adding Freemasonry and Brother to anyone's name in order
> to implicate the Masonic order in any and all wrongdoings
> you can find on the internet.
Is it not rather strange that Wikipedia does not allow for any criticism
of Freemasonry?
> You left out Charles Manson, Lee Harvey Oswald,
> Attila the Hun and Adolph Hitler to name a few.
Adolf was not very keen on Freemasonry, as I recall, but you make an
interesting point. Perhaps you can name some good people who are
Freemasons, if there are any?
> Perhaps you can make them Masons at sight and
> then blame Freemasonry for their crimes also.
You may not like it, but the latest killer to hit our television screens
in Great Britain is a Dutch Freemason called Vincent Tabak, and the only
available photograph of this killer, has masons typed on it.
If you do not want to be associated with unsavoury characters like
Brother Fred West and Brother Keith Exford, you should leave the
Freemasons. Can I stop Freemasons killing innocent human beings like
Joanna Yeates?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joanna_Yeates
maresh
wrote:
> Does anyone know why the Freemasons have left "Masons" on the standard
> photograph of their Brother Vincent Tabak?
>
> 651_306x423.jpg
>
> Is the Brotherhood proud of Freemason Vincent Tabak is a way they are not
> of Brother Gerry McCann and Brother Harold Shipman?
>
> Does anyone have Dutch lodge details for Brother Vincent Tabak?
>
> Does anyone know why Brother Vincent Tabak murdered Joanna Yeates? Was
> Joanna Yeates simply weak and defenceless, like the victims of Brother
> Harold Shipman and Brother Keith Exford (CEO, Affinity Sutton Homes Group)?
>
> I dare say Joanna Yeates was not nearly so weak and defenceless as
> Madeleine McCann, the victim of Freemason Brother Gerry McCann.
>
> It's a bit racist the way the British ask Brother Vincent Tabak if he can
> speak English. In The Netherlands, like adjacent South-West Germany, they
> speak it better than we do.
>
It seems strange that after you have made so many attempts to join a
Masonic Lodge, that you now tell so many lies about them.
It would seem to a good move on their part to refuse you entry.
maresh
wrote:
> "Peter Mackrory" <petemac9...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote innews:931r7s...@mid.individual.net:
>
> > Can I suggest that if you're that bitter about
> > being blackballed, you try with another lodge?
>
> I have not ever applied to be a Freemason.
That is not what the records show.
>They were not something that
> occurred to my mind before I was told that Freemasons are harassing me.
I can find no records of the Brotherhood harassing you.
>
> I don't believe in God, although Australia's leading Christian (self-
> appointed), Freemason Reverend Doctor Brother Rowland Croucher is in the
> Sea of Faith movement, which claims God is man made, so maybe they will let
> me in if I tell them I believe, as I do, that God is the sum of all our
> values?
But you have been turned down at least five times.
>
> http://jmm.aaa.net.au/
> (Brother Croucher's web shite)
>
> > It is just possible that not *everybody* thinks
> > that you're a complete twat, and somebody somewhere
> > will welcome you with open arms........................
>
> Can't they simply leave me alone? At my age, I know I ought, but I really
> don't care how many of his daughters Freemason Brother Gerry McCann has
> killed.
I have been told that you will be left alone if you stop trying to
join a lodge.
hamilton
Ohhhh, is this why Crybaby Warren has a hardon for Masons ??
Please tell me at least one lodge he was booted out of, please ?
h
Warren Buckley
news:82fc6396-450f-4e95...@gh5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> It seems strange that after you have made so many attempts to
> join a Masonic Lodge, that you now tell so many lies about them.
Which Lodge was that?
Warren Buckley
news:d13a71c3-791a-4a77...@dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>> I have not ever applied to be a Freemason.
>
> That is not what the records show.
Which records?
> I can find no records of the Brotherhood harassing you.
Ask Freemason Brother Rod Dadak of London lawyers Lewis Silkin.
> But you have been turned down at least five times.
Which Lodge/s?
> I have been told that you will be left alone
> if you stop trying to join a lodge.
I'm far too handsome for the Masonic Brotherhood.
Warren Buckley
news:iqhv1o$v1q$1...@dont-email.me:
> Ohhhh, is this why Crybaby Warren has a hardon for Masons ??
>
> Please tell me at least one lodge he was booted out of,
> please ?
You're not alone in wanting this information: please tell?
francis
wrote:
> maresh <mareshpek...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote innews:82fc6396-450f-4e95...@gh5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > It seems strange that after you have made so many attempts to
> > join a Masonic Lodge, that you now tell so many lies about them.
>
> Which Lodge was that?
It looks like you have been caught out, first you try to be a
Freemason, then they turn you down, then you complain about them.
Why don't you come clean and admit it, now the secret is out.
Warren Buckley
news:59e85380-3f3b-4975...@e17g2000prj.googlegroups.com:
> Why don't you come clean and admit it,
> now the secret is out.
I have never tried to be a Freemason. Last year I read for the first time
that one can apply to be a Freemason. Hitherto I was under the impression
that application was by invitation only.
So much for your claims about Freemason Brother Harold Shipman of Liberty
Lodge.
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Paul Clarke
wrote:
> maresh <mareshpek...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote innews:82fc6396-450f-4e95...@gh5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > It seems strange that after you have made so many attempts to
> > join a Masonic Lodge, that you now tell so many lies about them.
>
> Which Lodge was that?
You know what lodge that was, because they told you no.
It is not my job to give your details out, you can do that yourself.
Paul Clarke
wrote:
> maresh <mareshpek...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote innews:d13a71c3-791a-4a77...@dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> I have not ever applied to be a Freemason.
>
> > That is not what the records show.
>
> Which records?
The Freemason's application records.
>
> > I can find no records of the Brotherhood harassing you.
>
> Ask Freemason Brother Rod Dadak of London lawyers Lewis Silkin.
There appear to be no records about him either.
>
> > But you have been turned down at least five times.
>
> Which Lodge/s?
See above.
>
> > I have been told that you will be left alone
> > if you stop trying to join a lodge.
>
> I'm far too handsome for the Masonic Brotherhood.
Not for me to comment.
Paul Clarke
wrote:
> hamilton <hamil...@nothere.com> wrote innews:iqhv1o$v1q$1...@dont-email.me:
>
> > Ohhhh, is this why Crybaby Warren has a hardon for Masons ??
>
> > Please tell me at least one lodge he was booted out of,
> > please ?
>
> You're not alone in wanting this information: please tell?
It is not for me to provide proof of your actions.
Paul Clarke
wrote:
> francis <francis.mall...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:59e85380-3f3b-4975...@e17g2000prj.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Why don't you come clean and admit it,
> > now the secret is out.
>
> I have never tried to be a Freemason.
See other reply
> Last year I read for the first time
> that one can apply to be a Freemason. Hitherto I was under the impression
> that application was by invitation only.
Who would want to be a member of a club you were a member of?
>
> So much for your claims about Freemason Brother Harold Shipman of Liberty
> Lodge.
>
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I know of no such person.
Warren Buckley
news:bda282f2-53f3-417d...@z37g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
> Who would want to be a member of a club you were a member of?
I give up.
> I know of no such person.
That's because, in order to protect funds in the Masonic Grand Charity,
Liberty Lodge arranged for Brother Harold Shipman to commit suicide.
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Warren Buckley
> You know what lodge that was, because they told you no.
> It is not my job to give your details out,
> you can do that yourself.
I have never applied to be a member of any Lodge, unlike Brother Harold
Shipman, who was an active member in full-fellowship with Liberty Lodge.
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Paul Clarke
wrote:
> Paul Clarke <paulthecla...@gmail.com> wrote innews:bda282f2-53f3-417d...@z37g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Who would want to be a member of a club you were a member of?
>
> I give up.
>
> > I know of no such person.
>
> That's because, in order to protect funds in the Masonic Grand Charity,
> Liberty Lodge arranged for Brother Harold Shipman to commit suicide.
>
I repeat "I know of no such person" but I do know about people who are
now dead, so your answer is a best stupid.
Warren Buckley
>> Which Lodge/s?
>
> See above.
Of which Lodges in The Netherlands was Freemason Brother Vincent Tabak a
member?
Paul Clarke
wrote:
> Paul Clarke <paulthecla...@gmail.com> wrote innews:ba527516-8953-415a...@hg8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > You know what lodge that was, because they told you no.
> > It is not my job to give your details out,
> > you can do that yourself.
>
> I have never applied to be a member of any Lodge, unlike Brother Harold
> Shipman, who was an active member in full-fellowship with Liberty Lodge.
>
Well if you wish to deny your actions, that is up to you, but we both
know that you have in fact applied for membership to the Freemasons.
My answers are all on the level.
Warren Buckley
> I repeat "I know of no such person" but I do know about
> people who are now dead, so your answer is a best stupid.
You know of Freemason Brother Harold Shipman, one of Great Britain's most
prolific murderers.
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Paul Clarke
wrote:
> Paul Clarke <paulthecla...@gmail.com> wrote innews:48520fb3-7fb8-4469...@z37g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> Which Lodge/s?
>
> > See above.
>
> Of which Lodges in The Netherlands was Freemason Brother Vincent Tabak a
> member?
>
I know of no records about Freemason Brother Vincent Tabak
Paul Clarke
wrote:
> Paul Clarke <paulthecla...@gmail.com> wrote innews:fb173b5a-4984-49a3...@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > I repeat "I know of no such person" but I do know about
> > people who are now dead, so your answer is a best stupid.
>
> You know of Freemason Brother Harold Shipman, one of Great Britain's most
> prolific murderers.
>
I know of Harold Shipman, but I know nothing about Freemason Brother
Harold Shipman.
Paul Clarke
Are you related to a Clifford?
Paul Cummins
paulth...@gmail.com (Paul Clarke) wrote:
> My answers are all on the level.
Looks like someone is wanting a square deal here.
--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
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Tony Dragon
> In article<b073605c-f802-4fcf...@gv8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> paulth...@gmail.com (Paul Clarke) wrote:
>
>> My answers are all on the level.
>
> Looks like someone is wanting a square deal here.
>
One wonders if he is a travelling man
Paul Cummins
(Tony Dragon) wrote:
> One wonders if he is a travelling man
Didn't know that one. But might have asked if he belonged to a union.
Tony Dragon
> In article<VvednX_W-5exMlDQ...@bt.com>, tony....@btinternet.com
> (Tony Dragon) wrote:
>
>> One wonders if he is a travelling man
>
> Didn't know that one. But might have asked if he belonged to a union.
>
Are you on the square?
Paul Cummins
(Tony Dragon) wrote:
> Are you on the square?
I have been known to level things up from time to time, but am cautios in my
dealings.
Warren Buckley
> My answers are all on the level.
Means you're lying.
Warren Buckley
> I know of Harold Shipman, but I know nothing
> about Freemason Brother Harold Shipman.
Same person. Freemasons are like that, they hate the weak and vulnerable.
Warren Buckley
> Are you related to a Clifford?
Who is Clifford?
Warren Buckley
> I know of no records about
> Freemason Brother Vincent Tabak
Let me help. Like a lot of psychopaths, Brother Vincent Tabak is a
Freemason.
Freemason Brother Vincent Tabak was born in Holland, but I am yet to
determine his Dutch Lodge affiliations. In Great Britain, Brother Vincent
Tabak is a member of at least one English Masonic Lodge, Brunel.
The main claim to fame of Freemason Brother Vincent Tabak is that he killed
Joanna Clare "Jo" Yeates in December 2010. When we look at other
Freemasons, such a Freemason Brother Fred West, Freemason Brother Keith
Exford, Freemason Brother Harold Shipman, Freemason Brother Rod Dadak,
Freemason Brother Geraint Davies MP (Labour, Swansea West) and Freemason
Brother Simon Harwood, that should come as no surprise.
Paul Clarke
wrote:
> Paul Clarke <paulthecla...@gmail.com> wrote innews:b073605c-f802-4fcf...@gv8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > My answers are all on the level.
>
> Means you're lying.
You have proof that I am lying?
Paul Clarke
wrote:
> Paul Clarke <paulthecla...@gmail.com> wrote innews:b65769ac-a775-46d2...@q30g2000vbs.googlegroups.com:
>
> > I know of Harold Shipman, but I know nothing
> > about Freemason Brother Harold Shipman.
>
> Same person. Freemasons are like that, they hate the weak and vulnerable.
I know of no information that what you say is true.
Paul Clarke
wrote:
> Paul Clarke <paulthecla...@gmail.com> wrote innews:d3aea595-b5cf-43af...@v31g2000vbs.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Are you related to a Clifford?
>
> Who is Clifford?
I believe the husband of Annie, but if you do not know them, it
matters not.
Paul Clarke
wrote:
I can find no information on what you have just posted, but if you
wish I will recheck.
Warren Buckley
> I know of no information that what you say is true.
Do you speak English?
BTW, many happy returns for yesterday.
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Warren Buckley
>> Who is Clifford?
>
> I believe the husband of Annie,
> but if you do not know them, it matters not.
If you believe Clifford, ask Clifford to confirm that Brother Harold
Shipman was a Freemason in Liberty Lodge and Brother Vincent Tabak is a
Freemason in Brunel Lodge.
Sorry I forgot to wish you many happy returns on your birthday, yesterday,
Friday 13th.
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Warren Buckley
>> > My answers are all on the level.
>>
>> Means you're lying.
>
> You have proof that I am lying?
You said you were lying, and I don't want you to accuse me of being
paranoid for not believing you.
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Warren Buckley
> I can find no information on what you have just posted,
> but if you wish I will recheck.
For a start, please may I have all the Masonic Lodge details for Brother
Vincent Tabak? All I know at the time of typing is that Brother Vincent
Tabak is a member of Brunel Lodge in Bristol, but he must surely have been
a member of at least one Lodge back home in The Netherlands.
I still think it's amazing the way the British Courts offer Brother Vincent
Tabak translation help with English. Have these people never been to
North-West continental Europe?
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Tony Dragon
If you know that he was a lodge member, then you have the details.
Perhaps if you post his ID number it would make it easier for Paul to find.
Paul Clarke
wrote:
> Paul Clarke <paulthecla...@gmail.com> wrote innews:2244fdd7-c648-452c...@a10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com:
>
> > I know of no information that what you say is true.
>
> Do you speak English?
>
> BTW, many happy returns for yesterday.
>
Since I am replying in English the answer must be yes.
And thank you for you wishes, but I am not a Knight Templer.
Paul Clarke
wrote:
> Paul Clarke <paulthecla...@gmail.com> wrote innews:0b8ee02f-e91c-4482...@l30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > My answers are all on the level.
>
> >> Means you're lying.
>
> > You have proof that I am lying?
>
> You said you were lying, and I don't want you to accuse me of being
> paranoid for not believing you.
>
Cant recall where I said I was lying, would you post the message when
I said that.
Paul Clarke
wrote:
Below are all the details I have of that man.
"
"
Paul Clarke
wrote:
> Paul Clarke <paulthecla...@gmail.com> wrote innews:12106d53-9ce3-4873...@q20g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> Who is Clifford?
>
> > I believe the husband of Annie,
> > but if you do not know them, it matters not.
>
> If you believe Clifford, ask Clifford to confirm that Brother Harold
> Shipman was a Freemason in Liberty Lodge and Brother Vincent Tabak is a
> Freemason in Brunel Lodge.
>
> Sorry I forgot to wish you many happy returns on your birthday, yesterday,
> Friday 13th.
>
See reply to other post.
Warren Buckley
>> >> > My answers are all on the level.
>>
>> >> Means you're lying.
>>
>> > You have proof that I am lying?
>>
>> You said you were lying, and I don't want you to
>> accuse me of being paranoid for not believing you.
> Cant recall where I said I was lying,
> would you post the message when I said that.
See above, "my answers are all on the level," which is Masonic code, and if
you're using that you must be a liar with an unlimited capacity for evil.
Tony Dragon
Paul Clarke
> On 14/05/2011 14:32, Warren Buckley wrote:
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Don't confuse him, he'll insist Moses was a Freemason next.
Warren Buckley
news:HeSdnXib5Y80EVPQ...@bt.com:
> As they said to Moses "Keep taking the tablets"
We're all mad and you're the only sane person left?
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Warren Buckley
> Don't confuse him,
> he'll insist Moses was a Freemason next.
Did Moses have an unlimited capacity for evil, or was Moses profane?
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Tony Dragon
He might have been bufane.
Tony Dragon
I was in Seine once but I managed to climb out.
chaz
wrote:
> maresh <mareshpek...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote innews:82fc6396-450f-4e95...@gh5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > It seems strange that after you have made so many attempts to
> > join a Masonic Lodge, that you now tell so many lies about them.
>
> Which Lodge was that?
It would seem that it was the Freemasons lodge at Beamish.
wk2...@gmail.com
> Freemason Brother Frederick Walter Stephen 'Fred' West (29 September
> 1941 - 1 January 1995), was an English serial killer known to have been
> in full-fellowship with at least one English Masonic lodge, the
> Gloucestershire Round Table Lodge.
>
> Between 1967 and 1987, Brother Fred West and his wife Rosemary tortured,
> raped and murdered at least 12 young women and girls, many at the
> couple's homes. The majority of the murders occurred between May 1973
> and September 1979 at their home in Gloucester. Rosemary West also
> murdered Brother Fred West's stepdaughter (his first wife's biological
> daughter) Charmaine, while he was serving a prison sentence for theft.
>
> Brother Fred West was born into a poor family of farm workers in
> Bickerton Cottage, Much Marcle, Herefordshire, to Walter Stephen West (5
> July 1914 - 28 March 1992) and Daisy Hannah Hill (1922-6 February 1968).
> Brother Fred West was the second of their six children. Brother West
> would later claim that his father had incestuous relationships with his
> daughters. It has been suggested that incest was an accepted part of the
> household, and that his father taught him bestiality from an early age.
> Brother West recalled, in police interviews, that his father had said on
> many occasions "Do what you want, just don’t get caught doing it". It is
> also alleged that his mother Daisy began sexually abusing him from the
> age of 12.
>
> At school, Brother Fred West showed an aptitude for woodwork and
> artwork, but did not excel academically. Brother West left school at the
> age of 15 in December 1956, two years later, in November 1958, he
> suffered a fractured skull and a broken arm and leg in a motorcycle
> accident. The accident put him into an eight-day coma. His family
> reported that after the accident he became prone to sudden fits of rage.
> Two years later, he was unconscious for 24 hours after hitting his head
> in a fall from a fire escape.
>
> At age 20, he was arrested for molesting a 13-year-old girl. Brother
> Fred West was convicted, but escaped a sentence of imprisonment. His
> family effectively disowned him thereafter.
>
> Marriage to Rena Costello
>
> In September 1962, the 21-year-old Brother Fred West became re-
> acquainted with a former girlfriend, Catherine Costello, who was now
> better known as Rena from her time working as a prostitute. Costello was
> already pregnant by another man, and she and Brother Fred West married
> on 17 November before moving to Coatbridge, Lanarkshire. Her daughter,
> Charmaine Carol, was born on 22 February 1963. Costello and West claimed
> they had adopted Charmaine, whose father was from Pakistan. In July 1964
> Costello bore Brother Fred West a daughter named Anne Marie. During this
> period in Coatbridge, Brother Fred West worked as an ice cream van
> driver. On 4 November 1965, Brother Fred West ran over and killed a
> four-year-old boy with his van.
>
> The family, along with Isa McNeill who looked after the couple's
> children and Costello's friend Anne McFall, moved into the Lakeside
> caravan park in Bishop's Cleeve, Gloucestershire at the end of 1965 when
> Brother Fred West feared for his safety following the ice cream van
> incident. To escape from Brother Fred West's sadistic sexual demands,
> Costello and McNeill moved to Scotland in 1966 while McFall, who had
> become infatuated with Brother West, and the two children remained with
> him. Costello continued to visit the children every few months. In
> August 1967 McFall, who was eight months pregnant with Brother West's
> child, vanished. McFall was never reported missing and her remains were
> found in June 1994.
>
> In September 1967, Costello returned to live with Brother Fred West, but
> left again the following year, putting the children in Brother West's
> care.
>
> Marriage to Rosemary "Rose" Letts
>
> While still married to Costello, 27-year-old Brother Fred West met his
> next wife, Rosemary Letts, on 29 November 1968, on her 15th birthday. On
> her 16th birthday she moved in with him and a few months later they
> moved from the caravan to a two-story house in Midland Road, Gloucester.
> On 17 October 1970, Rosemary gave birth to their daughter, Heather Anne.
> Brother Fred West was imprisoned for theft on 4 December 1970 and
> remained so until his release on 24 June 1971.
>
> It is believed that Rosemary killed Charmaine (Brother Fred West's
> stepdaughter from his first marriage) shortly before Brother West's
> release in June 1971. According to Anne Marie, both sisters were subject
> to frequent beatings, but Charmaine infuriated Rosemary by her refusal
> to cry no matter how severe they got. Charmaine disappeared in mid June,
> with Rosemary explaining Costello had called and taken her back to
> Scotland. Costello turned up in late August to collect Charmaine, and
> also disappeared.
>
> On 29 January 1972, Brother Fred and Rosemary West married in
> Gloucester, and on 1 June of that year, Rosemary gave birth to their
> second daughter, Mae. Around this time Brother Fred West encouraged his
> wife into prostitution. Rosemary eventually had seven children, of which
> three were mixed race. Needing a bigger house, the family moved to 25
> Cromwell St, where Brother Fred West converted the upper floor to bed
> sits. "Rose's Room", the room Rosemary used for prostitution had
> peepholes so he could watch and a red light outside the door for warning
> the children not to enter when she was "busy". Like Brother Fred West,
> Rosemary came from a family where incest was common; Rosemary's father,
> Bill Letts, with Brother Fred's approval, would often visit their home
> to have sex with Rosemary.
>
> In October 1972 the Wests hired 17-year-old Caroline Roberts as the
> children's nanny. She rejected Brother Fred and Rosemary's advances into
> their "sex-circle" and left a few weeks later. On 6 December 1972 the
> Wests invited her to their home, where they both raped her. Brother Fred
> West allowed Roberts to leave the next day only after she promised she
> would return as their nanny. Roberts reported the rape to police but
> withdrew the accusation when the case came to court. The Wests pleaded
> guilty to a reduced charge of indecent assault and were fined £50.
>
> In early 1973, the Wests took eight-year-old Anne Marie to the cellar,
> where they bound and gagged her before Brother Fred West raped her while
> Rosemary watched.
>
> In 1979 Anne Marie became pregnant by Brother Fred West, but the
> pregnancy was terminated as it was ectopic. Unable to cope with her
> father any longer, she left home; Brother Fred West now began abusing
> Heather, who disappeared a few years later.
>
> Investigation, arrest and conviction
>
> In May 1992, Brother Fred West filmed himself raping one of his other
> daughters, and twice again afterwards. She told friends at school what
> had happened. On 4 August one of the friends told her mother and she
> went to the police. On 6 August 1992, the police decided to investigate,
> eventually leading to Brother Fred West being charged, with Rosemary as
> an accomplice, with rape. She was also charged with child cruelty and
> the remaining children were placed in foster care. The rape case against
> the Wests collapsed when the two main witnesses declined to testify at
> the court case on 7 June 1993. The police continued investigating the
> disappearance of their daughter Heather. After taking statements from
> social workers about a joke about "Heather being buried under the
> patio" and the children themselves, they obtained a further search
> warrant in February 1994, allowing them to excavate the garden in search
> of Heather. They started searching the house and excavating the garden
> on 24 February 1994.
>
> After Brother Fred West's arrest the following day, the police uncovered
> human bones. Brother Fred West confessed, retracted and then re-
> confessed to the murder of his daughter, denying that Rosemary was
> involved. Rosemary was not arrested until April 1994, initially on sex
> offences but later charged with murder. Further bodies were found and,
> on 4 March 1994, Brother West admitted that he had carried out nine more
> murders, including those of his first wife and Ann McFall. The remains
> of McFall and Costello were subsequently unearthed in fields near the
> village of Kempley.
>
> Brother Fred West and Rosemary West were brought before a magistrates'
> court in Gloucester on 30 June 1994; he was charged with 11 murders and
> she with 10. Immediately afterwards, Brother Fred West was re-arrested
> on suspicion of murdering Ann McFall, whose body had been found on 7
> June 1994. On the evening of 3 July 1994, he was charged with her
> murder.
>
> On 1 January 1995, Brother Fred West somehow manage to hang himself
> while on suicide watch on remand in his cell at Winson Green Prison,
> Birmingham. His funeral was held in Coventry on 29 March 1995. Brother
> Fred West was cremated with only three people present.
>
> The evidence against Rosemary was circumstantial; unlike her husband,
> she did not confess. She was tried in October 1995 at Winchester Crown
> Court, found guilty of all 10 murders and sentenced to life
> imprisonment. The trial judge recommended that she should never be
> released and 18 months later the then serving Home Secretary Jack Straw
> agreed with this recommendation.
>
> In October 1996, the Wests' house, along with the adjoining property,
> was demolished and the site made into a pathway. Every brick was crushed
> and every timber was burned to discourage souvenir hunters.
>
> In a 1998 interview with Charlie Rose, English novelist Martin Amis
> revealed that he was a cousin of the Wests' victim Lucy Partington, who
> disappeared in 1973.
>
> The victims
>
> Charmaine West (born 22 February 1963): Killed in June 1971 by Rosemary
> West while Brother Fred West was in prison. No motive has been put
> forward.
>
> Catherine Bernadette "Rena" West (born 14 April 1944): Killed August
> 1971. Rena had called to take Charmaine away with her and it is believed
> Brother Fred West killed her to avoid an investigation into Charmaine’s
> whereabouts.
>
> Lynda Gough (born 1 May 1953): Killed April 1973. A lodger at 25
> Cromwell St, Gough and Rosemary would share lovers. Following her
> disappearance Gough’s mother called to visit and Rosemary, wearing
> Gough’s clothes, told her she had moved in order to work in Weston-
> super-Mare.
>
> Carol Ann Cooper (born 10 April 1958): Killed November 1973. Cooper was
> living in a children’s home in Worcester when she disappeared while
> walking home from the cinema.
>
> Lucy Katherine Partington (born 4 March 1952): Killed December 1973.
> Spent Christmas with her family in Cheltenham and visited a friend, and
> disappeared after leaving to catch a bus home. There is strong evidence
> that she had been kept alive for at least several days. A week after she
> disappeared, Brother Fred West went to a hospital in the early hours of
> 3 January 1974 to get a serious laceration stitched. A knife matching
> the cut was found with Partington's body and police surmise he sustained
> the injury while dismembering the body. Partington, a university
> student, was the cousin of novelist Martin Amis.
>
> Theresa Siegenthaler (born 27 November 1952): Killed in April 1974. A
> student in South London who left to hitch-hike to Ireland and
> disappeared.
>
> Shirley Hubbard (born 26 June 1959): Killed November 1974. Left a work
> experience course in Droitwich to return home but did not arrive. When
> her remains were found her head was completely covered in tape with only
> a three-inch rubber tube inserted to allow her to breathe.
>
> Juanita Marion Mott (born 1 March 1957): Killed April 1975. A former
> lodger at 25 Cromwell St, Mott was living with a friend of her mother's
> in Newent when she disappeared.
>
> Shirley Anne Robinson (born 8 October 1959): Killed May 1978. A lodger
> at 25 Cromwell St, Robinson was a prostitute for the Wests. Disappeared
> after becoming pregnant with Brother Fred West’s child.
>
> Alison Chambers (born 8 September 1962): Killed August 1979. Last known
> sexually-motivated killing.
>
> Heather Ann West (born 17 October 1970) Killed June 1987. Heather became
> the focus of Brother Fred West’s attentions after Anne Marie left home.
> Brother Fred West claimed he had not meant to kill her but she had been
> sneering at him and he "had to take the smirk off her face". Rosemary
> told an inquiring neighbour the following day that she and Heather had
> had a "hell of a row" so it is believed Rosemary may have initiated her
> death. The Wests told their children Heather had left for a job in
> Devon, but later changed the story to her having run off with a lesbian
> lover when she failed to contact or visit them. Later still Brother Fred
> would threaten the children that they would "end up under the patio like
> Heather" if they misbehaved. Heather's body was found under the patio
> that Brother Fred West had inexplicably built over the fishpond his son
> Stephen had dug.
>
> Their only known victim after 1979 was their daughter Heather, although
> the police believe the couple murdered more. There were no known murders
> in the years 1976-1977, 1980-1986 and 1988-1992. During questioning
> after being arrested, Brother Fred West had confessed to murdering up to
> 30 people, but the police believed the pair may have killed only 13. As
> well as the 12 confirmed they believe West also killed 15-year-old Mary
> Bastholm in 1968, but to date no body has been found.
>
> Brother Fred West's son, Stephen, has said he firmly believed the
> missing Gloucester teenager was an early victim of his father, as Fred
> West had reportedly boasted of committing Miss Bastholme's murder while
> on remand in prison during 1994.
>
> Although no forensic evidence linked Brother Fred West to the murder of
> Anne McFall, the state of the body (missing finger and toe bones as was
> the case with the other bodies) and the dimensions of the grave site
> match aspects of West's modus operandi.
>
> With thanks to Wikipedia.
GB
> On Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:33:32 UTC+1, Warren Buckley wrote:
>> Freemason Brother Frederick Walter Stephen 'Fred' West (29 September
>> 1941 - 1 January 1995), was an English serial killer known to have been
>> in full-fellowship with at least one English Masonic lodge, the
>> Gloucestershire Round Table Lodge.
Quite right. Hardly any of them are mass murderers.
Phi.
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