Defecating in public
Mike Lovell
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Here's one for you all, as an IBS sufferer it's possible I might have to
defecate with very little warning.
If I was to do this in public (obviously a last resort!) would I be
committing an offence, and under what legislation/act and section? And
what would be the penalties and possible defences?
4 scenarios:
1) Defecating in a crowded public place, say Trafalgar Square
2) Defecating in a quiet public place, say a deserted town centre
3) Defecating in the woods while camping on public ground
4) Defecating in the woods, while camping on private ground visible to
the public (for example via a footpath).
Assume in each of these scenarios, it's either witnesses by a member of
public who complains, a police officer, or caught on CCTV.
"Additionally" to the actual act of defecating, would I be guilty of
indecent exposure? (I believe there's no longer such an offence after
the "Sexual Offences Act 2003" unless my intent is to shock, which it
wouldn't be).
An unusual one I know! :-)
~ Mike
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NotMe
> Here's one for you all, as an IBS sufferer it's possible I might have to
> defecate with very little warning.
>
> If I was to do this in public (obviously a last resort!) would I be
> committing an offence, and under what legislation/act and section? And
> what would be the penalties and possible defences?
>
> 4 scenarios:
>
> 1) Defecating in a crowded public place, say Trafalgar Square
>
> 2) Defecating in a quiet public place, say a deserted town centre
Shit is a nasty substance, full of bacteria and diseases. If I were in
your position, having to squat down in public, then I would carry some
industrial grade plastic bags in which to do the dirty, and make sure
I cleared up after me. If I were then taken to court, I would argue
that I had made an effort not to contaminate the place.
I think that I would also make some effort to be discreet. Squatting
on top of a lion would be far more likely to get you arrested than
squatting beside one. If you have made an effort to be discreet, then
it would be harder for the filth to argue that you are exposing
yourself.
> 3) Defecating in the woods while camping on public ground
>
> 4) Defecating in the woods, while camping on private ground visible to
> the public (for example via a footpath).
Dig a hole in advance if feasible, then once you do the dirty, fill it
in.
> Assume in each of these scenarios, it's either witnesses by a member of
> public who complains, a police officer, or caught on CCTV.
>
> "Additionally" to the actual act of defecating, would I be guilty of
> indecent exposure? (I believe there's no longer such an offence after
> the "Sexual Offences Act 2003" unless my intent is to shock, which it
> wouldn't be).
Carry a card detailing IBS, so you can give it to someone who is
putting their nose where it does not belong.
Mike Lovell
Hash: SHA512
> Shit is a nasty substance, full of bacteria and diseases. If I were in
> your position, having to squat down in public, then I would carry some
> industrial grade plastic bags in which to do the dirty, and make sure
> I cleared up after me. If I were then taken to court, I would argue
> that I had made an effort not to contaminate the place.
Could be tricky if it was virtually all in liquid form, which is highly
likely if not certain in these scenarios.
> I think that I would also make some effort to be discreet. Squatting
> on top of a lion would be far more likely to get you arrested than
> squatting beside one. If you have made an effort to be discreet, then
> it would be harder for the filth to argue that you are exposing
> yourself.
Well quite, but under what act/section would I be arrested if I "DID"
squat on the lion. Is the law worded on how discreet you are? Maybe
squatting on the lion is a bit extreme but what about someone actually
within the square of Trafalgar square?
That's why I put a few scenarios in there, some less discreet than
others but not beyond the bounds of possibility.
Although it's never come to that! :-)
> Dig a hole in advance if feasible, then once you do the dirty, fill it
> in.
Yes, that would be the idea. But what if someone witnesses this, and
complained in both cases. Would their complaint be valid, and why?
Would their complaint be more valid (in law) if it was public land?
> Carry a card detailing IBS, so you can give it to someone who is
> putting their nose where it does not belong.
Surely they'd have to prove I intended to shock by exposing myself,
which would be hard to do if I only exposed myself for the sole purpose
of defecating, ergo I didn't do it to shock someone so I wouldn't be
guilty under the Sexual Offences Act 2003 (I think)?
~ Mike
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AndyW
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> Here's one for you all, as an IBS sufferer it's possible I might have to
> defecate with very little warning.
>
> If I was to do this in public (obviously a last resort!) would I be
> committing an offence, and under what legislation/act and section? And
> what would be the penalties and possible defences?
>
>
> 4 scenarios:
>
> 1) Defecating in a crowded public place, say Trafalgar Square
>
> 2) Defecating in a quiet public place, say a deserted town centre
>
> 3) Defecating in the woods while camping on public ground
>
> 4) Defecating in the woods, while camping on private ground visible to
> the public (for example via a footpath).
I can sympathise as I am coeliac.
Intent, reasonableness and hygiene are the key here. Do you take reasonable
steps to aid discretion? Do you clean it up afterwards? Is there
1) A busy public place, very, very doubtful you would get away with it. I
usually get a few minutes warning that something is up, usually enough time
to find a toilet in a shop, pub, cafe etc.
2) Even urinating in the street can get you lifted even if there is a
pressing need and there is no toilet. There have been cases of people
uringating under cover in bushes and still being arrested.
3) depends on the definition of public. The Cairngorms are technically
public and I have used it often. As long as you take reasonable steps to be
discrete and hygienic then there is little problem. There is very little
cover in most of the Cairngorms so hiding behind a tree is not an option.
4) Again reasonable steps.
You can get plastic bags specially designed for the clean defecating. It has
a plasticised folding card top with the approriate hole in to. You peel the
waxy paper to expose the sticky coating, stick it into place. Do what is
necessary, peel off and fold the sticky bits closed to seal it.
If you have a hairy backside then tough.
Andy
Steve O
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> Here's one for you all, as an IBS sufferer it's possible I might have to
> defecate with very little warning.
>
> If I was to do this in public (obviously a last resort!) would I be
> committing an offence, and under what legislation/act and section? And
> what would be the penalties and possible defences?
>
>
Crap question.
Could I suggest you wear nappies instead?
The Todal
"Mike Lovell" <no.reply@null> wrote in message
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>
> Here's one for you all, as an IBS sufferer it's possible I might have to
> defecate with very little warning.
>
> If I was to do this in public (obviously a last resort!) would I be
> committing an offence, and under what legislation/act and section? And
> what would be the penalties and possible defences?
>
>
> 4 scenarios:
>
> 1) Defecating in a crowded public place, say Trafalgar Square
>
> 2) Defecating in a quiet public place, say a deserted town centre
>
> 3) Defecating in the woods while camping on public ground
>
> 4) Defecating in the woods, while camping on private ground visible to
> the public (for example via a footpath).
>
>
> Assume in each of these scenarios, it's either witnesses by a member of
> public who complains, a police officer, or caught on CCTV.
>
>
> "Additionally" to the actual act of defecating, would I be guilty of
> indecent exposure? (I believe there's no longer such an offence after
> the "Sexual Offences Act 2003" unless my intent is to shock, which it
> wouldn't be).
>
>
>
> An unusual one I know! :-)
Unfortunately nobody has answered your question. You weren't asking for
helpful advice about how to deal with your medical problem. You were asking
what laws you might be breaking.
I don't know the answer to that. Some sort of public order offence or common
law offence, I should think. However I am sure that if it was involuntary
and caused by a medical condition you would have an excellent defence,
unless you made a habit of it and the expert opinion was that you could plan
a bit better.
Sara
Mike Lovell <no.reply@null> wrote:
> Here's one for you all, as an IBS sufferer it's possible I might have to
> defecate with very little warning.
>
> If I was to do this in public (obviously a last resort!) would I be
> committing an offence, and under what legislation/act and section? And
> what would be the penalties and possible defences?
There was a female runner a couple of years who did something similar
during the London Marathon, claiming that if she'd used the provided
portaloos it would take too long. I don't recall her being charged with
anything.
--
Sara
Winter in the park can be a bit of a sod.
Roy H
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> Here's one for you all, as an IBS sufferer it's possible I might have to
> defecate with very little warning.
You use Tena pads if you have those problems.
Ian
"Mike Lovell" <no.reply@null> wrote in message
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before actually making an arrest. The most pertinant fact would be the
necessity to retain the evidence.... :o)
Richard McKenzie
or a butt plug
I was told by an ex-girlfriend that gay men usebutt plugs because the
anal sphincter becomes weaker due to overuse.
The Peeler
Photographic evidence may suffice.
Mike Lovell
Hash: SHA512
The Todal wrote:
> Unfortunately nobody has answered your question. You weren't asking for
> helpful advice about how to deal with your medical problem. You were asking
> what laws you might be breaking.
>
> I don't know the answer to that. Some sort of public order offence or common
> law offence, I should think. However I am sure that if it was involuntary
> and caused by a medical condition you would have an excellent defence,
> unless you made a habit of it and the expert opinion was that you could plan
> a bit better.
Yes, have hit a blank this time on the specific law(s). AndyW covered
the scenarios but still the question still lingers which law is being
broken.
I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to do it, it would stand to reason
you cannot.
Sara wrote:
> There was a female runner a couple of years who did something similar
> during the London Marathon, claiming that if she'd used the provided
> portaloos it would take too long. I don't recall her being
> charged with anything.
Ah yes, wasn't that Paula Radcliffe? Maybe they also couldn't come up
with a charge. Like I say, I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to do it,
I just don't know what it's covered under (if anything).
Roy H wrote:
> You use Tena pads if you have those problems.
That's not the question, the question is the laws involved. i.e. right
in front of a policeman, what do they charge me with and why?
~ Mike
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Roy H
>
> Roy H wrote:
>> You use Tena pads if you have those problems.
>
> That's not the question, the question is the laws involved. i.e. right
> in front of a policeman, what do they charge me with and why?
>
The same charge as anyone else who had the opportunity to be discrete
but chose to confront others.
Mike Lovell
Hash: SHA512
> The same charge as anyone else who had the opportunity to be discrete
> but chose to confront others.
Which is?
I gave a few scenarios in my first post. Police happen to catch you in
an alley defecating, the charge is ________?
~ Mike
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Roy H
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>> The same charge as anyone else who had the opportunity to be discrete
>> but chose to confront others.
>
> Which is?
>
> I gave a few scenarios in my first post. Police happen to catch you in
> an alley defecating, the charge is ________?
>
Section 5 at least
The Todal
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>> The same charge as anyone else who had the opportunity to be discrete
>> but chose to confront others.
>
> Which is?
>
> I gave a few scenarios in my first post. Police happen to catch you
> in an alley defecating, the charge is ________?
>
> ~ Mike
Perhaps "public nuisance", a common law offence.
What we really need is advice from a friendly police officer. People in this
group are so rude about the police and so unpleasant towards anyone who
identifies themselves as a police officer, that they might not feel like
contributing to the thread.
Mike Lovell
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Roy H wrote:
> Section 5 at least
Just read "Public Order Act 1986 : Section 5" ... I don't see in what
way it would be an offence under that act and section.
Also a statutory defence is "The conduct was reasonable". Having to
defecate is reasonable, just like having to vomit is.
The Todal wrote:
> Perhaps "public nuisance", a common law offence.
> What we really need is advice from a friendly
> police officer. People in this group are so rude
> about the police and so unpleasant towards anyone
> who identifies themselves as a police officer,
> that they might not feel like
> contributing to the thread.
What act/section is that one under?
Yes they have probably run a mile. I wonder what they charge people
with who urinate in public - Or even if there is a charge it's covered
under.
I can't see under "Section 5" how any of this is unreasonable if
required (defecating, urinating, vomiting).
~ Mike
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Jeff
> Hash: SHA512
>
> The Todal wrote:
>> Unfortunately nobody has answered your question. You weren't asking for
>> helpful advice about how to deal with your medical problem. You were asking
>> what laws you might be breaking.
>>
>> I don't know the answer to that. Some sort of public order offence or common
>> law offence, I should think. However I am sure that if it was involuntary
>> and caused by a medical condition you would have an excellent defence,
>> unless you made a habit of it and the expert opinion was that you could plan
>> a bit better.
>
> Yes, have hit a blank this time on the specific law(s). AndyW covered
> the scenarios but still the question still lingers which law is being
> broken.
In Scotland S.47 Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982,in England and
Wales I am not sure that there is any specific statute, but some local
authorities have passed bye-laws prohibiting the same.
Jeff
TimB
> In article <4d2cf35e$0$31908$a82e2...@stealthnews.com>,
> Mike Lovell <no.reply@null> wrote:
>
> > Here's one for you all, as an IBS sufferer it's possible I might have to
> > defecate with very little warning.
>
> > If I was to do this in public (obviously a last resort!) would I be
> > committing an offence, and under what legislation/act and section? And
> > what would be the penalties and possible defences?
>
> There was a female runner a couple of years who did something similar
> during the London Marathon, claiming that if she'd used the provided
> portaloos it would take too long. I don't recall her being charged with
> anything.
>
Also Gary Lineker who went on the pitch during the 1990 world cup.
Although in his case it wasn't voluntary, to the point that he didn't
even take his shorts off - just did the deed and dragged his arse
along the floor like a dog.
Mike Lovell
Hash: SHA512
> In Scotland S.47 Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982,in England and
> Wales I am not sure that there is any specific statute, but some local
> authorities have passed bye-laws prohibiting the same.
Excellent, spot on for Scotland:
Section 47:
"Any person who urinates or defecates in such circumstances as to cause,
or to be likely to cause, annoyance to any other person shall be guilty
of an offence and liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding
level 2 on the standard scale."
I better stay out of Scotland!
Seems to be a bit ambiguous, to be guilty of something that is "likely"
to cause "annoyance".
I wouldn't imagine it would cause "annoyance" specifically. Disgust
possibly, someone may find it offensive perhaps, although it's a
perfectly reasonable bodily function.
But like you say, still nothing on England and Wales so far.
~ Mike
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Terry
Maybe that is because the police treat everyone else like shit?
Richard McKenzie
Isnt there some archaic/urban myth that if a pregnant woman needs to
urinate apoliceman is required to cover her with his cloak. Or you can
urinate on the rear right hand wheel of your care so long as you have
ahand on the car.
Steve O
> Hash: SHA512
>
>
> Yes, have hit a blank this time on the specific law(s). AndyW covered
> the scenarios but still the question still lingers which law is being
> broken.
>
> I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to do it, it would stand to reason
> you cannot.
>
> Sara wrote:
>> There was a female runner a couple of years who did something similar
>> during the London Marathon, claiming that if she'd used the provided
>> portaloos it would take too long. I don't recall her being
>> charged with anything.
>
> Ah yes, wasn't that Paula Radcliffe? Maybe they also couldn't come up
> with a charge. Like I say, I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to do it,
> I just don't know what it's covered under (if anything).
>
> Roy H wrote:
>> You use Tena pads if you have those problems.
>
> That's not the question, the question is the laws involved. i.e. right
> in front of a policeman, what do they charge me with and why?
>
They would probably go for behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace.
Someone could take offence if you just dropped and crapped in front of them.
I would certainly be alarmed if you did that in front of me and my
family in a public place, so they could probably consider Section 5 POA
as well.
Steve O
Not if he's in the alleyway, making some attempt to hide himself from
the public.
Steve O
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>
> What act/section is that one under?
>
> Yes they have probably run a mile. I wonder what they charge people
> with who urinate in public - Or even if there is a charge it's covered
> under.
There are some local by-laws against urinating in public, but mostly the
police will use breach of the peace, Sect 5 POA, indecent exposure or
drunk and disorderly, depending on the circumstances.
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
mogga
>> An unusual one I know! :-)
>>
>> ~ Mike
>The potentiall arresting officer would probably consider all the facts
>before actually making an arrest. The most pertinant fact would be the
>necessity to retain the evidence.... :o)
>
If it was a genuine emergency then there would be no time to remove
clothing.. and soiling yourself would be unpleasant but wouldn't be
flashing yourself.
Carry spare clothes.
--
http://www.bra-and-pants.com
http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk
Mike Lovell
Hash: SHA512
> If it was a genuine emergency then there would be no time to remove
> clothing.. and soiling yourself would be unpleasant but wouldn't be
> flashing yourself.
>
> Carry spare clothes.
I don't know about you but I can drop my trousers in 2 seconds flat!
Obviously there is more than a few seconds warning, just perhaps less
time than it would take to reach a toilet in all circumstances - You
could be miles away from an available toilet.
I think from all the responses it's probably unlikely to result in being
charged as long as it wasn't blatant, i.e. taking reasonable steps to
carry it out in the most secluded place.
~ Mike
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Frank
>The potentiall arresting officer would probably consider all the facts
>before actually making an arrest. The most pertinant fact would be the
>necessity to retain the evidence.... :o)
That's what policemans helmets are for.
Roy H
>
> Isnt there some archaic/urban myth that if a pregnant woman needs to
> urinate apoliceman is required to cover her with his cloak. Or you can
> urinate on the rear right hand wheel of your care so long as you have
> ahand on the car.
>
It used to be ok for the driver to piss up a certain wheel on a bus. I'm
not sure about a car.
Ian
"Mike Lovell" <no.reply@null> wrote in message
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> Roy H wrote:
>> Section 5 at least
>
> Just read "Public Order Act 1986 : Section 5" ... I don't see in
> what
> way it would be an offence under that act and section.
>
> Also a statutory defence is "The conduct was reasonable". Having to
> defecate is reasonable, just like having to vomit is.
>
> The Todal wrote:
>> Perhaps "public nuisance", a common law offence.
>> What we really need is advice from a friendly
>> police officer. People in this group are so rude
>> about the police and so unpleasant towards anyone
>> who identifies themselves as a police officer,
>> that they might not feel like
>> contributing to the thread.
>
> What act/section is that one under?
>
> Yes they have probably run a mile. I wonder what they charge people
> with who urinate in public - Or even if there is a charge it's
> covered
> under.
>
(mind url-wrap) for examples of legal opportunities for mutual
micturation.
--
Ian.
Ian
"Roy H" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:igkn9c$qe6$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
The average car driver might not totally appreciate a bus driver
stopping and having a piss against the car drivrers wheel.....
Steve O
> "Mike Lovell"<no.reply@null> wrote in message
> news:4d2dbe3f$0$31975$a82e...@stealthnews.com...
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>> Roy H wrote:
>>> Section 5 at least
>>
>> Just read "Public Order Act 1986 : Section 5" ... I don't see in
>> what
>> way it would be an offence under that act and section.
If someone dropped their trousers and shat on the pavement within my
sight, it would certainly be behaviour which I would find alarming.
...
> The offence is created by section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986:
>
> "(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he:
> (a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
> (b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,
> within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby."
...
alang
They have nothing to go on
http://web.orange.co.uk/article/quirkies/Row_over_sculpture_of_squatting_cop
Mike Lovell
Hash: SHA512
> If someone dropped their trousers and shat on the pavement within my
> sight, it would certainly be behaviour which I would find alarming.
> ....
Then you'd be out of luck then. Not only would you have to be (likely
to be) alarmed but also the action would have to be threatening,
abusive, disorderly or insulting. I don't see how this could fall under
any of those, it being an essential bodily function everyone must do.
And then even if it was I could use the statutory defence:
"(c) The conduct was reasonable"
Defecating when you must do so, while taking as much care as possible to
do so in the most secluded place available at the time is surely reasonable.
~ Mike
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Mr X
"Ian" <i...@henden.co.uk> wrote in message
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Alasdair
>The potentiall arresting officer would probably consider all the facts
>before actually making an arrest. The most pertinant fact would be the
>necessity to retain the evidence.... :o)
Don't they carry cameras these days?
--
Alasdair.
lkg
Graham.
wrote:
>http://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/crime-and-courts/the-reason-given-to-police-for-defecating-on-dead-hedgehog-in-street-1-3045067
He was banned from Scotland for three days.
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Mick
wrote:
>On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:44:06 -0800 (PST), lkg <les...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>http://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/crime-and-courts/the-reason-given-to-police-for-defecating-on-dead-hedgehog-in-street-1-3045067
>
>He was banned from Scotland for three days.
I have often wondered with public toilets being shut by
councils to save money, just what a person can do when took short?
The policeman in the above report told him to make sure he goes "out
of sight".
I have used a pub toilet before, but what if there were no pub open or
around?
What is the legal position?
Mick.
Ian Jackson
<mrcy...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
usually closed by the local council in order to save money, but
sometimes to deter unsavoury practices carried out in them. I can only
assume that this is because those who make such decisions are related to
royalty (many do indeed behave as such) who, as we all know, never need
to carry out the baser bodily functions.
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Ian
Steerpike
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> defecate with very little warning.
>
> If I was to do this in public (obviously a last resort!) would I be
> committing an offence, and under what legislation/act and section? And
> what would be the penalties and possible defences?
>
>
>
> 1) Defecating in a crowded public place, say Trafalgar Square
>
> 2) Defecating in a quiet public place, say a deserted town centre
>
> 3) Defecating in the woods while camping on public ground
>
> 4) Defecating in the woods, while camping on private ground visible to
> the public (for example via a footpath).
>
>
> Assume in each of these scenarios, it's either witnesses by a member of
> public who complains, a police officer, or caught on CCTV.
>
>
> "Additionally" to the actual act of defecating, would I be guilty of
> indecent exposure? (I believe there's no longer such an offence after
> the "Sexual Offences Act 2003" unless my intent is to shock, which it
> wouldn't be).
>
>
> An unusual one I know! :-)
>
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Very simple answer to your question. If you laid a turd in public, this would be a civil not a criminal matter, and no doubt the corporations involved would want to impose some sort of fine. The majority of people cannot grasp the difference between a civil or criminal matter though, with most thinking not having a TV licence is an arrestable criminal offence.............
Norman Wells
> The majority of people cannot grasp the difference between a civil or
> criminal matter though, with most thinking not having a TV licence is
> an arrestable criminal offence.............
civil and criminal matters.
Once you get that difference sorted out, you may like to know that not
all criminal offences are arrestable, and investigate that too.
AlanG
wrote:
Harold T
> http://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/crime-and-courts/the-reason-given-to-police-for-defecating-on-dead-hedgehog-in-street-1-3045067
>
The policeman was offended on other peoples behalf. What sort of law
allows that?
Partac
"Harold T" wrote in message news:50dd8b99$0$2087$7120d902@karibu...
thank goodness.
Harold T
suggest he does, do it in his pants?
Mentalguy2k8
"Harold T" <handh...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:50dda3c5$0$2089$7120d902@karibu...
with his mental health and described him as a paranoid schizophrenic"
Yes, a nutter.
Harold T
Mentalguy2k8
like the rest of us.
I'm sure he could easily have found somewhere more appropriate to shit,
rather than do it in full view of the public on a grass verge outside
houses.
Harold T
Partac
"Harold T" wrote in message news:50dda3c5$0$2089$7120d902@karibu...
probably have been more appropriate.
Why, do you think that shitting in full view of the public is acceptable? If
so, please don't invite me to any dinner parties.
Mentalguy2k8
did it on a busy street. I think that's the important part of this story, he
used a grass verge opposite houses. There must have been a more private
place to do it.
Steerpike
Harold T
>>>
>>> I'm sure he could easily have found somewhere more appropriate to shit,
>>> rather than do it in full view of the public on a grass verge outside
>>> houses.
>>
>> I Often have a piss behind bushes if there is no where else to go.
>
> I don't have a problem with that, but I would have a problem with it if
> you did it on a busy street. I think that's the important part of this
> story, he used a grass verge opposite houses. There must have been a
> more private place to do it.
Partac
"Harold T" wrote in message news:50ddc159$0$2085$7120d902@karibu...
Quote...
The 34-year-old was squatting over the grass verge with his jeans around his
knees when a police officer drove along Balmoral Avenue, Spalding, at 1.20pm
on July 3.
Deborah Cartwright, prosecuting at court, said the officer stopped his
patrol car and walked over to Ford, who was standing up and pulling up his
jeans.
The officer looked at the ground where Ford had been squatting and saw
“fresh human faeces on top of a dead hedgehog”.
Miss Cartwright said the officer saw a woman at the window in a house
nearby, who would have had a clear view, and a woman walking towards him
pushing a child in a pram and she would also have been in a position to see.
....End Quote
I couldn't see any reference to a bush. The police officer was driving along
the road and spotted him. Hardly discreet, eh?
Mentalguy2k8
driving along the road saw him squatting on a grass verge and the charge
brought because he "the incident happened in an open public space". Can't
see anything about bushes. If he was spotted from the road then he must have
been in front of a bush, not behind one.
Steve O
Land" fellers we hear about?
Portsmouth Rider
"Partac" <any...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ak5lb7...@mid.individual.net...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjKhFaXqqQ0
__
PR
Alex Heney
i.e. you take care to try and do it out of sight.
That is the difference.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
I'm sure it's in the manual somewhere...
To reply by email, my address is alexDOTheneyATgmailDOTcom
Alex Heney
Where did you get that from?
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Turk182
> On 28/12/2012 14:02, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> On 28/12/2012 13:53, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>
> >>>> On 28/12/2012 13:32, Partac wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 27/12/2012 22:44, lkg wrote:
> >>>>> The policeman was offended on other peoples behalf. What sort of law
> >>>>> allows that?
>
> >>>>> One that helps stop nutters going round and shitting on dead
> >>>>> hedgehogs,
> >>>>> thank goodness.
>
> >>>> Nutter? The man needed a shit and there were no toilets. What do you
> >>>> suggest he does, do it in his pants?
>
> >>> "She said Ford had significant problems with alcohol, significant
> >>> problems with his mental health and described him as a paranoid
> >>> schizophrenic"
>
> >>> Yes, a nutter.
>
> >> Maybe but he still has to go for a shit like everyone else.
>
> > Maybe he should stop abusing alcohol and he'd be able to control his
> > bowels like the rest of us.
>
> > I'm sure he could easily have found somewhere more appropriate to shit,
> > rather than do it in full view of the public on a grass verge outside
> > houses.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I too had a wee among the flowers not all that long ago, but the woman
who owned the window box was furious!
Turk182
Alex Heney
<gloomy....@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>Very simple answer to your question. If you laid a turd in public, this would be a civil not a criminal matter,
instance.
But if done in as public a situation as the one referred to in the
link elsewhere in the thread, it is almost certainly a criminal
offence, as it would be considered an "act of gross indecency".
>and no doubt the corporations involved would want to impose some sort of fine. The majority of people cannot grasp the difference between a civil or criminal matter though, with most thinking not having a TV licence is an arrestable criminal offence.............
between a civil matter and a criminal offence.
No matter what you may wish to be true, it is really quite simple when
it comes to statute law.
If a statute says "it is an offence to...." then if you do whatever is
referred to, you have committed a criminal offence.
The people who think that are not wrong. That IS the law of this land.
And as far as common law goes (which is always trumped by statute law
where there is a conflict), anything which is heard in the Magistrates
court or Crown court is a criminal matter.
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Alex Heney
Are you trying to suggest that if (in your opinion) it is not
"properly seen as criminal", then regardless of the laws of the land,
it really isn't criminal?
If so, you are very wrong.
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Turk182
> If a statute says "it is an offence to...." then if you do whatever is
> referred to, you have committed a criminal offence.
May I ask, Is it therefore appropriate to describe someone who has
exceeded the speed limit (and been convicted) as a "known criminal"?
Turk182
Ian Jackson
<5bb9268b-7cca-4aa1...@t5g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Turk182 <digital...@aol.com> writes
you were doing her a favour.
But next time, try using a window box on the ground-floor. Choosing one
at an upstairs room smacks of exhibitionism.
--
Ian
Turk182
<ianREMOVETHISjack...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message
> <5bb9268b-7cca-4aa1-9f4f-5998df3bf...@t5g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> Turk182 <digitalradi...@aol.com> writes
> - Show quoted text -
was:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/25/article-2206312-1188DE14000005DC-493_468x680.jpg
Turk182
Jon Ribbens
>> If a statute says "it is an offence to...." then if you do whatever is
>> referred to, you have committed a criminal offence.
>
> exceeded the speed limit (and been convicted) as a "known criminal"?
personally given that they could conceivably argue that most people
would think that you meant something more significant than a speeding
offence and therefore you had libelled them.
McKevvy
McK
Steerpike
The fact that you have been milked for years, and have no say whatsoever in decisions which affect your life directly, suggests to me you need to look very carefully at the words "No taxation without representation"............
Steerpike
Alex Heney
<digital...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> If a statute says "it is an offence to...." then if you do whatever is
>> referred to, you have committed a criminal offence.
>
>
>exceeded the speed limit (and been convicted) as a "known criminal"?
It is certainly a criminal offence, and is one you have to declare in
any situation where you are required to declare past convictions
(except in those cases where they specifically exclude motoring
convictions).
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Alex Heney
<gloomy....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, December 28, 2012 9:30:15 PM UTC, Turk182 wrote:
>> > If a statute says "it is an offence to...." then if you do whatever is
>>
>> > referred to, you have committed a criminal offence.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Alex Heney
>>
>>
>>
>> May I ask, Is it therefore appropriate to describe someone who has
>>
>> exceeded the speed limit (and been convicted) as a "known criminal"?
>>
>>
>>
>> Turk182
>
>I seem to remember Alex Heny posting on here many years ago..............very very tedious stuff about his car, and the fact he was seemingly quite unable to fuck a girl he was besotted with!
But as so often, your post bears no resemblance to reality whatsoever.
I have certainly never posted any such thing.
>Is this the same person I wonder? If so the current posts are just as dull, but also clarify Alex is quite unable to think for himself, and enjoys being milked by those keen to gain funding for various criminal endeavours.............
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Alex Heney
You, on the other hand, make it quite clear that you are so far out of
your depth you can't even *see* the surface.
>.......it seems to me that you feel that if you repeat your programming for long enough and loud enough, it will become fact!
>
>The fact that you have been milked for years, and have no say whatsoever in decisions which affect your life directly, suggests to me you need to look very carefully at the words "No taxation without representation"............
>
Try to understand a few of them,.
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Steerpike
You are governed and policed by consent, and you do have a choice..........it seems that you choose to be milked, and to propound your fear/ignorance in posts on here!