Brian Cowan and his connection with the Yorkshire Ripper
Noel O'Gara
the Irish parliament in 1984.
He had been a solicitor before that.
Cowan knew Billy Tracey very well indeed, so well in fact that a
mention of Tracey's name to him was a complete turnoff.
Cowan shirked his responsibility as a public representative to help
expose serious crime.
Cowan's father owned a pub in the small village of Clara in county
Offaly.
This man, Billy Tracey was well known and greatly feared in that
village. Se feared in fact that Cowan's father had to have a large
gate put up to prevent him from urinating on his front door whenever
he passed it late at night.
When I first spoke on the phone to Clara Garda sargeant Kevin Forde
and told him that Tracey was the Yorkshire Ripper he replied that it
didnt surprise him because 'he had all the credentials'. Forde asked
me to call to see him and be sure to 'come up in the dark.'
Before Forde took up that job it had been idle for a number of years
because nobody wanted to take it. Tracey had 49 convictions for
serious assaults against policemen and prison officers and anybody
offered the sergeant's job in Clara could be forgiven for enquiring
who was there before taking it on.
Putting it bluntly the Gardai were very afraid of Billy Tracey. They
had wives and families and he was known to threaten policemen's
children and was capable of carrying them out. While the Gardai were
fully aware of Tracey's violent criminal record, the public, including
myself, were left in the dark.
When I brought to the attention of TD and Minister Brian Cowan that
Tracey was the real Yorkshire Ripper, he never responded and refused
any involvement despite his position as a public representative. My
book was written in 1982.
Peter Sutcliffe had been convicted as the Ripper in 1981. The
Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4 were in maximum security prisons in
the UK.
Miscarriages of justice were unheard of.
Policemen were taken at their word in courts and their word was
gospel.
Like some other residents of Clara, Brian Cowan didnt want to give the
place a bad name.
http://yorkshireripper.com/suspect.htm
Now Brian Cowan is the Taoiseach in waiting and Billy Tracey, the real
Yorkshire Ripper, his old neighbour from Clara, is living it up in
London as a free man thanks to Cowan's failure to do his duty.
Next month the Ripper's old pal Brian Cowan will be our prime minister
and no doubt if he ever returned, Cowan would shake his hand and
welcome him home.
Clara is holding its breath that Tracey will never return.
Colin Peters
afraid of a solitary individual Noel.
You say that Tracey had 49 convictions for assaults on police and prison
officers, and yet , if this was so, why, once he was under lock and key, did
they not, mob handed, exact enough retribution, to ensure that he would
never do it again?
This is the way that the system works. If it did not, and they were all so
afraid of him, how on earth did they get him into prison in the first place?
The 'gang' always beats the individual on their own ground.
There are many men, e.g. Charles Bronson, equally, if not moreso, as
fearsome as Tracey, and yet incarcerated regardless.
Colin Peters
"Noel O'Gara" <noel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a94b3ff6-032c-4778...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Ishtar
> I find it hard to believe that the police force, an entire gardai, could be
> afraid of a solitary individual
=========================================
Apart from terrorising anyone who 'crossed' him, Billy Tracey had a
talent for writing plausible letters of complaint against police
officers, to set cop against cop. By the 1980s, it was rare for anyone
to have the courage to testify against him.
Apart from that, as Noel O'Gara said to me back in 1996: "The police
exist to benefit themselves; the media exist to benefit themselves."
I blinked when I read that statement. But then I saw how true it is.
I used to work in "public sector employment," and I was horrifed by
the general attitude of so-called "public servants." For the most part
it's just a job creation scheme, a *staff social club* in disguise,
where people do as little work as possible and milk the system for
what they can get out of it, with only a few honourable exceptions. In
short, people in "public sector employment" are for the most part
*welfare claimants in disguise* who pretend to be employed in return
for voting for the political party that gave them their *non-job* and
also for the purpose of disguising the true unemployment statistics.
Seen in that context, the Irish police regarded Billy Tracey as being
*more trouble than he's worth* .
Meanwhile, in England, the myth that Peter Sutcliffe is the Yorkshire
Ripper had to be kept on track, so the English police wanted nothing
to do with Billy Tracey, partly because Tracey had signed a confession
admitting the Yorkshire Ripper killings, but not the four killings
Peter Sutcliffe is guilty of.
Paul Nutteing (valid email address in post script )
news:a94b3ff6-032c-4778...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
You are not alone
Shami Chakrabarti's father
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/04/humanrights.voluntarysector
"But the first inspiration for this diminutive campaigning dynamo - often
described as Britain's most powerful Asian woman - was her father, a 1960s
immigrant from Calcutta. As a child of 12 she thought the Yorkshire Ripper
should hang. But how would you feel, he said, if you were wrongly convicted
and on the way to the scaffold? "Something sparked in me that day," she
recalled much later."
ps
What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles
and what Special Branch don't want you to know.
http://www.nutteing.chat.ru/dnapr.htm
or nutteingd in a search engine.
Valid email nutteing@fastmail.....fm (remove 4 of the 5 dots)
Ignore any other apparent em address used to post this message -
it is defunct due to spam.
Someone else
<cp014...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>I find it hard to believe that the police force, an entire gardai, could be
>afraid of a solitary individual Noel.
So do I.
What is your evidence that Tracey is the Yorkshire Ripper?
Nik
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Noel O'Gara
wrote:
> I find it hard to believe that the police force, an entire gardai, could be
> afraid of a solitary individual Noel.
>
> You say that Tracey had 49 convictions for assaults on police and prison
> officers, and yet , if this was so, why, once he was under lock and key, did
> they not, mob handed, exact enough retribution, to ensure that he would
> never do it again?
>
> This is the way that the system works. If it did not, and they were all so
> afraid of him, how on earth did they get him into prison in the first place?
>
> The 'gang' always beats the individual on their own ground.
>
> There are many men, e.g. Charles Bronson, equally, if not moreso, as
> fearsome as Tracey, and yet incarcerated regardless.
>
> Colin Peters
>
terrorised the whole of West Yorkshire and further afield with his
crimes which were committed to taunt the UK police as well as writing
letters to them and telling them things that only he could know which
is why they were certain that the Ripper was the author of the
letters.
Tracey had an aura of evil about him and anyone who knew him well
could sense it.
He was beaten with batons so many times that he could take a terrible
beating and it was like water off a ducks back.
Have you ever seen the police heavy truncheon? Thats what I'm talking
about not the sticks that they carry around now.
Cowan's father was terrified of him and dies soon after that at age
53.
Noel O'Gara
> X-No-Archive:
>
> On Apr 10, 7:30 pm, "Noel O'Gara" <noelog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It wasnt just the Gardai who were afraid of him Colin.
>
> guys supporting O'Garas fantasies alongside Cullinane and Tony Wilde
> over very many years, Colin was perhaps the brightest guy of the lot
> and it made me wonder what it would take for Colin to see O'Gara for
> what he was: Dont tell me some of the O'Gara team are now seeing the
> light: Noel, you sneaky sniffing homo, you.
>
> Are you trying to win him back, why not tell him how many years you
> slept with Traceys underpants under your pillow. and by the way have
> you paid up yet, I know someone who will buy you farm when youre ready
> to sell....good offer, 15grand..cash, no questions asked.
Tony Holland has assumed a new identity for his diatribes
and he will delete his posts the day after he posts them because the
stuff he writes is all misinformation at the behest of unidentified
British authorities to confuse people.
Why should anyone believe what you write?
Tony Holland was a Bradford man who was arrested and jailed there in
1981 for fraudulently procuring a mentally retarded youth to steal
materials and household goods for him. The youth was later found dead
in his cell and Tony was deported to
Australia within a year of his conviction in a deal with the
authorities to stop him talking about other embarrassing incidents in
a former career. Details of his life of crime were not passed to the
Australian authorities under the amnesty deal and he entered Oz with
a
clean slate.
But Tony had been recruited as an agent and an assassin for MI6 in
Africa and the Middle East on her majesty's service and by his own
admission had murdered some dissident natives by burning them with
car
tyres laced with petrol and because of that and many more crimes
committed on her majesty's secret service Tony considered that he was
above the law. Without doubt when Tony committed these crimes he was
armed and well briefed on how to deny all knowledge of his motives as
he outwardly worked for Marconi Plc. He had been selected for the job
because of his education as an engineer and his criminal proclivities
to serve the queen as a mask for his crimes. Tony was well schooled
in
the art of deception, denial and misinformation.
When he got to Australia he became very aggrieved with the British
authorities and wrote a manuscript of his life story of crime in a
blackmail attempt to get money and repatriation from them.
Nobody would publish his work and in the end he did it himself.
In it he tells how his own mother ran at him once as a boy and tried
to cut off his penis. He claims that she was mental but it appears
she
recognised that she had produced a dangerous criminal son even at the
early age of 10.
So why is this ex MI6 criminal murderer, blackmailer and cunning liar
living in Oz writing lies about Noel O'Gara?
By a coincidence back in the early eighties Tony had some business
dealings with the same legal firm in Bradford that acted for Peter
Sutcliffe who confessed to many more murders than he committed in his
deal with the police. Tony also was a
personal friend of detective Superintendant Dick Holland who had been
responsible for the negotiations for Sutcliffe's deal on behalf of
the
police in Yorkshire. He was the bent cop who had earlier framed the
innocent Stefan Kiszko for a murder that
was committed by Peter Sutcliffe. Kiszko was exhonerated and released
in 1992 but died shortly later without an apology nor compensation
nor
an investigation into police crime. Dick Holland died a few months
ago
a disgraced ex policeman who had brought shame on the force not so
much by his crime but by being exposed as a criminal cop.
I had written a book about the Yorkshire Ripper in 1982 in which I
claimed that the police had framed Sutcliffe as the Ripper when he
was
only a copycat killer and thereby let the real Ripper get away. I
knew
this because I had a man in my employment whom I knew was the Ripper
and because of this insight I knew that Sutcliffe had been fitted
up.
Tony Holland contacted me in 2004 when he found out that I had
written
a book about the Ripper through my web site www.yorkshireripper.com
He wrote to Sutcliffe in Broadmoor the next day advising him to
appeal
his conviction based on his assertion that he couldnt have got a fair
trial because he Tony, was a partner in the firm of solicitors who
acted for him back in 1981.
To make a long story short, Tony tried to hijack my story to enhance
his own life story because he saw it as a stick to beat the police
with,those police who had deported him and given him such a hard time
back then. He knew several of those same senior police involved in
the
Ripper case when he was living in Bradford. Tony, who studied law in
jail passed himself off in Australia as a British lawyer of repute
and
a millionaire who knows all the really important people both in Oz
and
the UK, in order to be recognised as an official prison visitor
there,
until he was exposed as a fraud by the governor of the state and
dismissed from that function.
This dangerous liar has bad mouthed everyone he came in contact with
on google groups since he bought a pc as can be seen from the record
and ever since I told him to get stuffed he has concocted the most
outrageous lies about me.
Ishtar
>
> > In it he tells how his own mother ran at him once as a boy and tried to cut off his penis.
>
> going to let you get anywhere near it, I know you wanted to suck it
> and other things that you queer types get up to, BUT the answer is no,
> NO and bloody NO! do you get it now, mind you, you do have a farm for
> sale and I am interested in that, maybe and I said maybe, if 15 grand
> will buy your farm then we can meet up for a chat, no promises mind,
> cos Im still a virgin.
==================================================
Looking again at page 198 of Noel O'Gara's book "The Real Yorkshire
Ripper" (1995 edition), one sees a SIGNED CONFESSION by Billy Tracey
to the Yorkshire Ripper killings (but not to Peter Sutcliffe's four
inept, chaotic murders during the same period).
During those dreadful years in the north of England, Peter Sutcliffe
murdered Jean Jordan, Yvonne Pearson, Margo Walls, Jacqueline
Hill..... (and possibly Leslie Molseed, for whose murder both Stefan
Kiszko and Ronald Castree have been wrongfully convicted). Billy
Tracey did not confess to any of Peter Sutcliffe's killings.
Ishtar
>
> Looking again at page 198 of Noel O'Gara's book "The Real Yorkshire
> Ripper" (1995 edition), one sees a SIGNED CONFESSION by Billy Tracey
> to the Yorkshire Ripper killings (but not to Peter Sutcliffe's four
> inept, chaotic murders during the same period).
>
> During those dreadful years in the north of England, Peter Sutcliffe
> murdered Jean Jordan, Yvonne Pearson, Margo Walls, Jacqueline
> Kiszko and Ronald Castree have been wrongfully convicted). Billy
> Tracey did not confess to any of Peter Sutcliffe's killings.
... as for the handwriting in Billy Tracey's confession to the
Yorkshire Ripper killings, it relates to the Irish education system of
the 1940s in some - but not all - Irish schools of that era. The way
children were taught to write the letters 'r' / 'p' / 'I' / etc.
varied from school to school in Ireland at that time. Looking at Billy
Tracey's handwritten confession to the Yorkshire Ripper killings (but
NOT to Peter Sutcliffe's killings), and then looking at the
handwriting on the letter sent to George Oldfield in 1979, it's not
too difficult to extrapolate. A man of Billy Tracey's intellect and
cunning could easily have disguised his handwriting in that way, and
posted the letters and tape to ACC George Oldfield,
"clean as a whistle."
A stupid, drunken bum like John Humble could not have pulled it off.
http://yorkshireripper.com/johnhumble.htm
Noel O'Gara
>
> ... as for the handwriting in Billy Tracey's confession to the
> Yorkshire Ripper killings, it relates to the Irish education system of
> the 1940s in some - but not all - Irish schools of that era. The way
> children were taught to write the letters 'r' / 'p' / 'I' / etc.
> varied from school to school in Ireland at that time. Looking at Billy
> Tracey's handwritten confession to the Yorkshire Ripper killings (but
> NOT to Peter Sutcliffe's killings), and then looking at the
> handwriting on the letter sent to George Oldfield in 1979, it's not
> too difficult to extrapolate. A man of Billy Tracey's intellect and
> cunning could easily have disguised his handwriting in that way, and
> posted the letters and tape to ACC George Oldfield,
> "clean as a whistle."
>
> A stupid, drunken bum like John Humble could not have pulled it off.http://yorkshireripper.com/johnhumble.htm
On the 22nd May 1981 Peter Sutcliffe was in court as the verdict of
guilty of murder was brought in by a majority jury who had listened to
his mini trial as to whether the judge would allow his plea of
diminished responsibility for 13 murders as he had bargained for with
Superintendent Dick Holland and his handlers in the CPS.
Nobody had a greater interest in the trial of Sutcliffe than Irishman
Bily Tracey, the man who had committed 9 of those murders and who was
an avid watcher of the TV and news reports of the trial of Sutcliffe
for the previous two weeks.
Just a few days later he would be the first man to shake hands with
Charles Haughey who was campaigning for a general election in Ireland
and who landed on the village green in Clara. Haughey was on a
whirlwind tour of the constituencies and to meet him at the helicoptor
was Laoise Offaly sitting TD Ber Cowan and his solicitor son Brian
accompanied by the immaculate and suited Billy Tracey who could be
mistaken for the managing director of Goodbodys, the local factory.
It was Tracey's finest hour when he knew he had just succeeded in
committing a series of brutal murders in England and forced the police
whose corrupt practices were known only to himself, to frame a lunatic
copycat killer to take the blame for his murders.
Meanwhile I was living in a daze wondering how it could all have
happened and left with only the newspaper reports of the trial and
knowing that Tracey was the Yorkshire Ripper but then unaware of the
undercurrents that were later uncovered and are still being uncovered
to this day.
It was before the series of books about the Yorkshire Ripper were
printed and Irish TV didnt have very much coverage of those events
that I could find.
Tracey himself had access to the BBC and UTV reports while the vast
majority of Irish people had only Irish TV.
http://yorkshireripper.com/deal.htm
One think I knew for certain was that Billy Tracey was the real
Yorkshire Ripper but who would believe me and how could I ever show
that I was correct?
No-X-No-Archive
wrote:
>X-No-Archive:
>
>On Apr 12, 7:01 pm, "Noel O'Gara" <noelog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I have a buyer for your farm who has agreed to show you his
>willy...you interested.
No-X-No-Archive
No-X-No-Archive
wrote:
>X-No-Archive:
>
>On Apr 10, 9:31 am, "Noel O'Gara" <noelog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> When I first spoke on the phone to Clara Garda sargeant Kevin Forde
>> and told him that Tracey was the Yorkshire Ripper he replied that it
>> didnt surprise him because 'he had all the credentials'. Forde asked
>> me to call to see him and be sure to 'come up in the dark.'
>
>You forgot to add *'come up in the dark.....when the faires are out*
No-X-No-Archive <m...@privacy.net>
No-X-No-Archive
wrote:
>X-No-Archive:
>
>On Apr 10, 5:04 pm, "Paul Nutteing (valid email address in post
>script )" <nutte...@quickfindit.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> You are not alone
>> Shami Chakrabarti's fatherhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/04/humanrights.voluntarysector
>> "But the first inspiration for this diminutive campaigning dynamo
>
>Nutteing, youre an idiot: Let me give you 3 reasons:
>
>1. David Pallister is completely dishonest and not worth a cracker.
>2. Chakrabati made her mark thru her insistence that Indians be given
>a fair crack of the whip and stupid UK poms bowed down to her
>insistence of MINORITY rites....little women big mouth, no brains cept
>what any greedy little shit wants more more more and you give it to me
>3. She is married to a guy who helped set up the UK FSA...the mob
>setting financial compliance standards in the UK
>
>Now dickhead, tell me that the UK is not in deep shit as afar as its
>economy is going and because the UK deemed it politically correct to
>give status to non WASPs the world followed suit and Charabatic pushed
>the boundaries and now the UKs fucked up even more. Matey Chakrabati
>is what is wrong with the UK and Pallister is the acceptable face of
>that stupidity.
No-X-No-Archive <m...@privacy.net>
No-X-No-Archive
wrote:
>X-No-Archive:
>
>On Apr 10, 7:30 pm, "Noel O'Gara" <noelog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It wasnt just the Gardai who were afraid of him Colin.
>
>I find Colins response to O'Gara fascinating....Colin was one of the
>guys supporting O'Garas fantasies alongside Cullinane and Tony Wilde
>over very many years, Colin was perhaps the brightest guy of the lot
>and it made me wonder what it would take for Colin to see O'Gara for
>what he was: Dont tell me some of the O'Gara team are now seeing the
>light: Noel, you sneaky sniffing homo, you.
>
>Are you trying to win him back, why not tell him how many years you
>slept with Traceys underpants under your pillow. and by the way have
>you paid up yet, I know someone who will buy you farm when youre ready
>to sell....good offer, 15grand..cash, no questions asked.
No-X-No-Archive <m...@privacy.net>
No-X-No-Archive
wrote:
>X-No-Archive:
>
>On Apr 11, 12:26 am, "Noel O'Gara" <noelog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In it he tells how his own mother ran at him once as a boy and tried to cut off his penis.
>
>Here you go on about my penis again Noel, Ive told you before Im not
>going to let you get anywhere near it, I know you wanted to suck it
>and other things that you queer types get up to, BUT the answer is no,
>NO and bloody NO! do you get it now, mind you, you do have a farm for
>sale and I am interested in that, maybe and I said maybe, if 15 grand
>will buy your farm then we can meet up for a chat, no promises mind,
>cos Im still a virgin.
No-X-No-Archive <m...@privacy.net>
Ishtar
I'M JACK
==========
I'm Jack. I see you are still 'aving no luck catching me. I 'ave the
greatest respect for you, George, but Lord, you are no nearer catching
me now than four years ago when I started. I reckon your boys are
letting you down, George. They can't be much good, can they? The only
time they came near catching me was a few months back in Chapeltown
when I was disturbed. Even then it was a uniformed copper, not a
detective. I warned you in March that I'd strike again. Sorry it
wasn't Bradford. I did promise you that but I couldn't get there. I'm
not quite sure when I'll strike again but it will be definitely some
time this year, maybe September, October, even sooner if I get the
chance. I am not sure where, maybe Manchester, I like it there,
there's plenty of them knocking about. They never learn, do they,
George? I bet you've warned them, but they never listen. At the rate
I'm going I should be in the book of records. I think it's eleven up
to now, isn't it? Well, I'll keep on going for quite a while yet. I
can't see myself being nicked just yet. Even if you do get near, I'll
probably top myself first. Well it's been nice chatting to you,
George. Yours, Jack the Ripper. No good looking for fingerprints. you
should know by now it's clean as a whistle. See you soon. Bye. Hope
you like the catchy tune at the end. Ha ha.
==========
Noel O'Gara
Now the dodgy DNA that convicted Ronald Castree for the murder of
Lesley Molseed and the DNA that was used to blackmail John Humble to
confess to being the writer of the Ripper letters is beginning to
unravel.
Without that DNA lie those men would never have been convicted. It was
corrupt policemen who used it to frame those men just to get the
conviction of the court and SOLVE those embarrassing cases that are
connected to the real Yorkshire Ripper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3AjHUPcy5I
Noel O'Gara
>
> > I have a buyer for your farm who has agreed to show you his
> > willy...you interested.
>
Thousands of people have been convicted with the DNA low copy number
fabricated and fraudulent evidence.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0115/primetime.html
Play the clip "Wayne O'Donoghue due for release" for the expert
evidence that Low copy number DNA is a fraud.
Ishtar
Noel O'Gara
from the start of his legal career.
Tracey frequently remarked to me that 'if that f'n bolox can be a
solicitor anybody can'
Now that young solicitor is Ireland's Taoiseach or prime minister in
waiting.
Mr Cowan has always refused to be involved in any way with his
responsibility as a public representative when the Gardai have failed
in their duty to the public.
Nevertheless Brian Cowan will have to carry the responsibility for
assisting the Real Yorkshire Ripper to remain free to kill innocent
people.
Tracey had committed numerous serious crimes and assaults in the local
area for which he was never even accused of. The Ripper murders were
only a chapter in his life that he chose to put his signature to.
These others are unsolved Irish crimes.
There were many victims who suffered as a result of gross negligence
of the authorities.
No-X-No-Archive
wrote:
>X-No-Archive:
>
>On Apr 19, 6:31 pm, "Noel O'Gara" <noelog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Brian Cowan was marked out by Billy Tracey the Real Yorkshire Ripper
>> from the start of his legal career. Tracey frequently remarked to me that 'if that f'n bolox can be a
>> solicitor anybody can' Now that young solicitor is Ireland's Taoiseach or prime minister in
>> waiting.
>
>Hey big boy!
>
>Before you get carried of to the loony bin, why not sell your farm and
>put the money in trust so that you can get extras when they come to
>get you....also have a little fun, Ive found a gay guy who says he'll
>show you his willy and my mate will give you a pair of his dirty
>underpants if you'll sell your farm to him.
>
>15 grand its alot of money....Id take it if I were you.
No-X-No-Archive
Noel O'Gara
charle...@hotmail.com
>
> - Zitierten Text anzeigen -
I think it became obvious, when Britain and America invaded Iraq and
other places, in violation of a UN decision, that the West is in the
hands of terrorists.
Noel O'Gara is doing an excellent job of studying the minutiae of the
Yorkshire Ripper story, to show how corrupt the Law is.
The entire West should take note.
We are ALL in danger from this corrupt system. None of us is safe.
Putting heads in the sand like ostriches will not make the government
terrorist problem go away.
Charles Douglas Wehner
Janitor of Lunacy
<charle...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab2b1a4-234d-465b...@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On 20 Apr., 13:47, "Noel O'Gara" <noelog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Brian Cowan was marked out by Billy Tracey the Real Yorkshire
> Ripper
>
>
-I think it became obvious, when Britain and America invaded Iraq and
-other places, in violation of a UN decision, that the West is in the
-hands of terrorists.
Only to you. I personally am not in the hands of anyone.
Noel O'Gara
>
> Only to you. I personally am not in the hands of anyone.
You are a very dishonest person preferring to twist facts and pretend
you were once a judge. There are many solicitors who for various
misdemeanours are struck off and cant practice or never made the
grade.
I suspect you fall into one of those categories who needs to dispense
his wisdom for free because you cant charge.
You could be credible if you were to put your name to your posts but
as a janitor of lunacy you lack credibility.
Ishtar
>
> Only to you. I personally am not in the hands of anyone.
=========
Successful humour can sometimes be based upon responding to a metaphor
by treating it as literal.
We all need a laugh, jan, but you are not funny, you are just a
spoiler.
Janitor of Lunacy
"Noel O'Gara" <noel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f3d07a4c-887d-4e34...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 20, 8:11 pm, "Janitor of Lunacy" <gh...@attic.info> wrote:
>
> Only to you. I personally am not in the hands of anyone.
-You are a very dishonest person preferring to twist facts and pretend
-you were once a judge.
Please point out precisely where I have ever said anything remotely resembling
that.
-There are many solicitors who for various
-misdemeanours are struck off and cant practice or never made the
-grade.
Indeed there are. However, I've never been, nor claimed to have been, a
solicitor.
-I suspect you fall into one of those categories who needs to dispense
-his wisdom for free because you cant charge.
Oh, I can charge, and do, and if you could afford me, you might have had better
luck with Tim King.
Unfortunately, you thought you would do better on your own. You were wrong.
Disastrously, and expensively wrong.
-You could be credible if you were to put your name to your posts but
-as a janitor of lunacy you lack credibility.
I think it's an extremely apt nickname, considering what I do here, and
elsewhere.
What difference would it make using my real name anyway? You could then look me
up on some list, I'm sure, but you still wouldn't be impressed until I managed
successfully to advocate on your behalf your Ripper fantasies; and as I've
already pointed out, you can't afford me, and I'm not that good at juggling with
jelly.
Ishtar
> On Apr 21, 10:15 am, "Janitor of Lunacy" <gh...@attic.info> wrote:
>
> > What difference would it make using my real name anyway? You could then look me
> > up on some list, I'm sure, but you still wouldn't be impressed until I managed
> > successfully to advocate on your behalf your Ripper fantasies; and as I've
> > already pointed out, you can't afford me, and I'm not that good at juggling with
> > jelly.
>
================================================
The Janitor of Lunacy has now been exposed as the official modern day
"Groom of the Stool" in Buckingham Palace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groom_of_the_Stool
He's thinking of applying for the corresponding job in the Vatican.
Noel O'Gara
> "Noel O'Gara" <noelog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f3d07a4c-887d-4e34...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 20, 8:11 pm, "Janitor of Lunacy" <gh...@attic.info> wrote:
> >
>
> > Only to you. I personally am not in the hands of anyone.
>
> -You are a very dishonest person preferring to twist facts and pretend
> -you were once a judge.
>
> Please point out precisely where I have ever said anything remotely resembling
> that.
your words janitor
"5. Been there, done that. Got the red bag and the gown to prove it.
Not
interested in the wig.
6. It can be a filthy business but so is life. The truth can be
irrelevant.
Get used to it.
7. O'Gara and his supporters don't realise any of this. End of case. "
You said it during the thread about the stitch up of Steve Wright for
murders in Ipswich.
Is that precise enough or is it remotely resembling a judge?
If you were not a judge then maybe a barrister or just a liar.
You also said you were meeting Judge Tim King. I presume as a
colleague of sorts you meet that corrupt judge who now has the blood
of innocent victims on his filthy hands for protecting the freedom of
the real Ripper.
King might need you to do a libel action for him now.
Get used to it janitor. You are not dealing with the fairies here and
you will be outed and dealt with in future.
Theres a lot of English men who would not thank you for defending the
indefencible and they will be very very angry when the time comes. I
assure you that the law will not save your bacon. You are as bent as
King.
Janitor of Lunacy
On 21 Apr, 01:15, "Janitor of Lunacy" <gh...@attic.info> wrote:
> "Noel O'Gara" <noelog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f3d07a4c-887d-4e34...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 20, 8:11 pm, "Janitor of Lunacy" <gh...@attic.info> wrote:
> >
>
> > Only to you. I personally am not in the hands of anyone.
>
> -You are a very dishonest person preferring to twist facts and pretend
> -you were once a judge.
>
> Please point out precisely where I have ever said anything remotely resembling
> that.
-your words janitor
-"5. Been there, done that. Got the red bag and the gown to prove it.
-Not interested in the wig.
Shows how little you know, then, if you imagine that's "pretending to be a
judge". You need to read "Brothers in Law" by Henry Cecil.
-You also said you were meeting Judge Tim King. I presume as a
-colleague of sorts you meet that corrupt judge who now has the blood
-of innocent victims on his filthy hands for protecting the freedom of
-the real Ripper.
Thanks for repeating the contempt of court, and ignoring the First Law of Holes.
Noel O'Gara
>
> Shows how little you know, then, if you imagine that's "pretending to be a
> judge". You need to read "Brothers in Law" by Henry Cecil.
>
> -You also said you were meeting Judge Tim King. I presume as a
> -colleague of sorts you meet that corrupt judge who now has the blood
> -of innocent victims on his filthy hands for protecting the freedom of
> -the real Ripper.
>
> Thanks for repeating the contempt of court, and ignoring the First Law of Holes.
Where is there contempt of court in that? King is a judge and hasnt
taken any libel action against me. So how could I be in contempt of
any court order janitor?
your knowledge of the law is beginning to flake janitor.
The law of holes is your real law. Keep digging the hole and you might
get out in Australia beside another nutter.
Janitor of Lunacy
On Apr 22, 3:50 pm, "Janitor of Lunacy" <gh...@attic.info> wrote:
>
> Shows how little you know, then, if you imagine that's "pretending to be a
> judge". You need to read "Brothers in Law" by Henry Cecil.
>
> -You also said you were meeting Judge Tim King. I presume as a
> -colleague of sorts you meet that corrupt judge who now has the blood
> -of innocent victims on his filthy hands for protecting the freedom of
> -the real Ripper.
>
> Thanks for repeating the contempt of court, and ignoring the First Law of
> Holes.
-Where is there contempt of court in that?
You really do need to read some law. Start with R v Grey[1900] 2 Q.B. 36
charle...@hotmail.com
in his postings is typically Masonic.
All their ethics are REVERSED. Truth is a lie. Lies are true. Thou
shallt kill. Thou shallt worship strange gods. And on and on.
That is where his lunacy comes from - from his lodge. He is in the
hands iof his lodge. Earlier, he said he was not in the hands of
anybody. That was just him fulfilling his duty to lie.
They terrorize each other into committing the most terrible crimes and
acts of terror. I greatly pity the people of Iraq, who have had a
nightmare inflicted upon them.
Noel O'Gara has been exposing the corruption in the British legal
system. The only thing that stops them doing terrible things to him is
the fear of getting caught.
Noel is a very brave man. Support him. Whenever there is a trial, go
there as an audience to make them stay their hands.
Charles Douglas Wehner
Janitor of Lunacy
<charle...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c3e13103-6b66-4540...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> The Janitor will be a Freemason. The vulgar style of behaviour you see
> in his postings is typically Masonic.
Hardly. Although my paternal grandfather and an uncle were both Grand Masters of
their Lodges, I have never felt the need to participate in quasi-religious
buffoonery, especially since I have never needed ulterior support to make a
successful career.
Perhaps if you stuck to some facts for a change, hmmm, and then fuck off?
Ishtar
<charlesweh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Noel is a very brave man. Support him. Whenever there is a trial, go
> there as an audience to make them stay their hands.
>
> Charles Douglas Wehner
===================================
Yes, I'm willing to do that. So are others.
I understand the psychology. As you said, Charles, these people are
terrified of incurring the disapproval of their "superiors" in the
next level of "authority."
It's possible to feel pity for them. They have nowhere else to go.
Ishtar
=====================================
I studied Pitman's shorthand in my lost youth.
It seems we are not allowed to make sound recordings of court cases,
for fear that the judges and lawyers might be seen for what they
really are.
I'm wondering would it be possible for me to attend any future court
cases involving Noel O'Gara and to jot down the entire proceedings in
Pitman's shorthand....?
Is there a law against that in England?
Journalists habitually take notes and draw artist's impressions of
defendants..... but then they are allowed to do that because they are
part of the *fake debate* .
If Noel O'Gara invites me, I am willing to attend any future court
hearings involving him and to record every word spoken in Pitman's
shorthand.
And if it is illegal to publish such a court transcript on the world
wide web for the entire population of the earth to read.....
.... well then the next question is: what have British judges and
lawyers and cops got to hide?
If justice is a secret, and if it's an arrestable offence to report
judicial proceedings which are open to an audience in the public
gallery........... well then how can justice be seen to be done?
What are they trying to hide???
charle...@hotmail.com
>
> - Zitierten Text anzeigen -
This is a wonderful reply.
This is the kind of thing that needs to be done.
However, there is a problem in that the Gang are in charge of the
'System', and simply invent the rules. So they might SAY that it is
illegal to make shorthand notes, and SAY that it is illegal to
publish, and so create an excuse to punish you. It has to be done
carefully, and inconspicuously.
Most 'Eminent Lawyers', like the embezzler Abraham Lajbi Hoch (alias
Robert Maxwell), with his six fake doctorates of law, are members of
the Gang and have never studied law. They do not need to. The 'Sytem',
as I say, is rigged.
First we were told that we have a 'democracy', in which Parliament
makes the laws, and they go into the law books. Then we were told that
'Eminent Judges' can also make laws by 'precedent'. Then the Gang
corrupted the European Court of Human Rights. Then they created the
British Court of Human Rights, so that the European court can use the
excuse that it is waiting for the British court to reach a decision
(delaying tactics). Finally, they moved all law books out of the
libraries, in violation of both the European Convention on Human
Rights and of the UN 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights'.
Now that the public do not have access to information about the
statutes, the Gang can arbitrarily invent 'little-known laws'.
The Gang, with its reversed morals, violate EVERY statute on Human
Rights somewhere. One example is in the UN declaration, Article 20
(2). Here we see how the Masons are forcing each other to belong to
the Masons:
"No one may be compelled to belong to an association".
The UN declaration has therefore effectively banned Freemasonry, as
did eight Popes, the Saudi government and others.
They also compell each other to 'play doctors', and kill or maim the
sick. It is utterly cowardly - which to them means brave. My mother
was murdered by Masonic doctors with massively overdosed chemotherapy
against a cancer she did not have. My father was put to death with
heroin, over a period of ten days.
The world seems so cosy. The public are so relaxed. They imagine that
they have a 'welfare state'. Then, when they try to use it, they get a
rude awakening. There is NO service. Even the blood tests are not
done. They take your blood and your money, and the money goes into the
war chest.
'Professor' Stevens, an 'Economics Advisor' to Margaret Thatcher, said
"The health Service is a fraud. It is just another tax".
Charles Douglas Wehner
Ishtar
<charlesweh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ...... Finally, they moved all law books out of the
> libraries, in violation of both the European Convention on Human
> Rights and of the UN 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights'.
>
> Now that the public do not have access to information about the
> statutes, the Gang can arbitrarily invent 'little-known laws'.
============================================
Is that true? Back in the 1980s I used to frequent the Reference
section of the Central Library in Leeds, and they had a large area
where they displayed the Statue Books for every year, recording ALL
laws passed by parliament. Of course that was before all our laws of
any significance came to be imposed from Brussels.
If it is true that the people do not have free access to the Statute
Book, then what is going on in this country?
Justice is secret, apart from what is reported as part of the *fake
debate* , and now you're saying the law itself is secret.
The Todal
> =====================================
>
> I studied Pitman's shorthand in my lost youth.
>
> It seems we are not allowed to make sound recordings of court cases,
> for fear that the judges and lawyers might be seen for what they
> really are.
You can, if you ask the judge for permission and if he grants permission.
>
> I'm wondering would it be possible for me to attend any future court
> cases involving Noel O'Gara and to jot down the entire proceedings in
> Pitman's shorthand....?
>
> Is there a law against that in England?
Of course not.
Another option of course would be to conceal a digital dictating machine
about your person. I can't believe I'm the only one who's done that.
>
> Journalists habitually take notes and draw artist's impressions of
> defendants..... but then they are allowed to do that because they are
> part of the *fake debate* .
>
> If Noel O'Gara invites me, I am willing to attend any future court
> hearings involving him and to record every word spoken in Pitman's
> shorthand.
>
> And if it is illegal to publish such a court transcript on the world
> wide web for the entire population of the earth to read.....
then hell may freeze over.
>
> .... well then the next question is: what have British judges and
> lawyers and cops got to hide?
Nowt.
>
> If justice is a secret, and if it's an arrestable offence to report
> judicial proceedings which are open to an audience in the public
> gallery........... well then how can justice be seen to be done?
>
> What are they trying to hide???
I very much hope that you do publish the full transcript here.
fredi...@googlemail.com
>
> I very much hope that you do publish the full transcript here.
And so do I, especially if you got it without asking persmission to
take it.
And why have you stopped posting old material of mine (without my
permssion I might add) youre not scared are you, or have you woken up
to yourself that you are in fact helping me, you sick fuck.
Ishtar
============================================
The House of Commons and the House of Lords are televised now, even
though our laws are made in Brussels, all the laws of any
significance, that is, so that what goes on in Westminster is of
little relevance.
It would be a perfectly simple matter now to allow ALL court
proceedings to be broadcast live on the internet or on cable /
satellite tv.
Why not do it, unless there is something to hide?
Freedom and democracy are all about openness and transparency.
Allowing the cameras into all courtrooms is an obvious step in that
direction.
WHAT IS THERE TO HIDE?
charle...@hotmail.com
What there is to hide is the secrets of the "Society with Secrets".
They are TERRORISTS.
The "Brotherhood" has been in existence since 1712. However, they
pretend that they have existed since pre-history, and invent nonsense
like the idea that they are protecting the "Holy Grail". Aneurin wrote
of an imaginary King Arthur, and the Lady of the Fountain. Two Norman
poets then wrote of King Arthur and the Lady of the Lake. It is pure
Harry Potter fiction. It is not even British.
This is just one example of the craft(iness) of deception that they
practise. Then it gets serious.
Heads of state are pushed into shameful acts. Then they are
blackmailed into being puppets. It is all an ACT. It is STAGE MANAGED.
Consider Ronald Reagan - actor. Consider George H. W. Bush. Consider
"Dubya". None was capable of running a country. ALL HAVE BEEN RECITING
FROM THEIR SCRIPTS.
So democracy is a sham - an illusion.
Similarly, in the law courts. EVERYTHING IS PLANNED IN ADVANCE. The
lawyers have no free will. They just recite from their scripts. It is
organized to be as expensive as possible for the litigants. The money
fills the war chest.
So justice is another sham.
Then you go to the doctor. He takes blood, and arranges an
appointment. You think the blood goes into a laboratory. It does not.
Tests cost money. Your appointment will have been arranged by Masonic
reversal. If it is urgent, they tell you to wait six months. If it is
not, you might get an early appointment to make the Health Service
seem OK.
The Master Mason in the lodge decides what the result of the blood
test shall be. If you are healthy, he will blackmail the "doctor" into
saying you are sick. Then you get "treatment" that really makes you
sick. If you are sick, you are told you are not. You are left to
suffer.
Vast numbers of permanently-ill patients are filling the waiting-
rooms. The fortunes that are gathered fill the war chest.
As I said before, Professor Stevens said "The Health Service is a
fraud. It is just another tax".
However, to prove ruthlessness they always have MURDERERS like Harold
Frederick Shipman, the fake doctor.
What they have to hide is that the fake lawyers PROTECT the fake
doctors like Shipman. This went on for thirty years, until Shipman
disobeyed his master.
There are Masons in the banks, checking up on peoples' life savings.
Then the lodge sends Shipman (or whoever) out to kill an old lady. The
millions in her account go into the war chest. Only a few thousand
remain, in case relatives turn up and ask about the money.
The law also takes houses and the like away from people whilst they
are still alive. They stole my house with no pretext whatsoever.
However, there is no point in turning to the LAW for satisfaction
against the LAW.
I was reading the statutes in the Eighties and Nineties, in libraries.
Then I saw what they were doing. Law books were being replaced with
gay and lesbian fiction. They were downgrading the nation, so that
nobody would have the knowledge even to fight his own case.
In the past they used to quote act and section. Nowadays, they simply
say "The law says". One is expected to take the word of an uneducated
stranger simply because he is wearing a wig or a black cloak. They
don't quote act and section in case you look it up, and find they are
talking nonsense.
Smoke and mirrors. The CRAFT(iness) of the terrorist lodges.
Charles Douglas Wehner
Duck
>
> Then you go to the doctor. He takes blood, and arranges an
> appointment. You think the blood goes into a laboratory. It does not.
> Tests cost money. Your appointment will have been arranged by Masonic
> reversal. If it is urgent, they tell you to wait six months. If it is
> not, you might get an early appointment to make the Health Service
> seem OK.
>
*This is a new one to me, what evidence have you?
Just one point to the masonic conspiracy, if freemasons had such an
influence in many of the revolutions of history and clearly many were
involved, what was the result of those revolutions?
France and America both became democracies and Ireland might've if
they had've succeeded.
And in the case of France they were overthrowing Royalty who were
freemasons themselves, same goes for the many of the British royals in
the Irish context..
Duck
charle...@hotmail.com
> On Apr 26, 6:02 pm, "charlesweh...@hotmail.com"<charlesweh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So democracy is a sham - an illusion.
>
> *Correct but for different reasons.
>
>
>
> > Then you go to the doctor. He takes blood, and arranges an
> > appointment. You think the blood goes into a laboratory. It does not.
> > Tests cost money. Your appointment will have been arranged by Masonic
> > reversal. If it is urgent, they tell you to wait six months. If it is
> > not, you might get an early appointment to make the Health Service
> > seem OK.
>
> *This is a new one to me, what evidence have you?
FIFTY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. I was a "health tourist" before the term
was invented. Vast numbers of people today are searching the world for
PROPER medical help - in vain.
I ran the POLLYPHILES campaign for justice. The world-famous film
director Anthony Minghella supported us, as did thousands of
celebrities. Two months ago, Minghella was MURDERED. That is a
standard. Nobody dies of internal bleeding AFTER AN OPERATION and IN A
HOSPITAL unless the doctors are fake.
>
> Just one point to the masonic conspiracy, if freemasons had such an
> influence in many of the revolutions of history and clearly many were
> involved, what was the result of those revolutions?
FAKE DEMOCRACY. No Mason can make any decisions for himself. Each
takes orders from the one above him. So there is a "fake debate", for
example, about what the President of the US, "Dubya" Bush is deciding.
He is not deciding. He is just reciting his "lines" like an actor.
>
> France and America both became democracies and Ireland might've if
> they had've succeeded.
You have just agreed that democracy is a sham, an illusion.
>
> And in the case of France they were overthrowing Royalty who were
> freemasons themselves, same goes for the many of the British royals in
> the Irish context..
THAT IS ANOTHER STANDARD. The Masons make for the heads of state to
try to corrupt them. When the head of state is their slave, the nation
is in their hands. However, Masons are NOT united. The "Antients" were
British. They began in 1712, and in 1717 erected the "Grand Lodge of
England". In 1738, the first of eight Popes to condemn them wrote this
ecyclical:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Clem12/c15inemengl.htm
However, the British Masons were fighting amongst themselves. They
were later to reunite, and the "Grand Lodge of England" became the
"United Grand Lodge of England".
During the chaos, George Washington stole the stolen money from the
"Antients". The result, in 1775, was the American War of Independence.
The colonists repulsed Cornwallis and his two armies, and Washington
called his Masons "Universal". There were now two factions opposed to
each other.
Washington had a Masonic slave called Marie-Jean Motier. He was a war
criminal. He was given the fake title of "Marquis de Lafayette", and
sent to France to spread the "Universals". They were to kill the
"Antients". The "Antients" in France countered by setting up the
"Jacobins" under Robespierre. The bloodbath began.
The French Revolution began in 1789. In January 1793, Louis the
Sixteenth was killed. The Reign of Terror began.
Said Robespierre "Terror is nothing other than justice, prompt,
severe, inflexible" . You can see the warped mentality.
There were heads on sticks everywhere. That is hardly justice. The
secrecy of Freemasonry meant that nobody knew who was plotting and who
was not. So anybody could get killed. In addition, as each Mason is
blackmailed by his Master, he might plot revenge against his own
Master. Thus, Antients were killing Antients, Antients were killing
Universals, Universals were killing Universals and Universals were
killing Antients. Add to that the deaths of the innocents, and you get
the picture.
Meanwhile, the Corsican Bandit Napoleone Buonaparte captured Toulon.
In the lodges, he finds blackmailing material with which to blackmail
the French generals. He takes command of the army.
From the documents, he knows what the British plans are. He also knows
which governments in Europe have been corrupted. He takes control of
France, Italy, Austria and so on. The Napoleonic wars have begun.
The Pope (Pius the seventh) excommunicates Napoleon. Napoleon kidnaps
the Pope, and using CONTROL OF THE PRESS announces that he is
Catholic, will always be a Catholic and so on. This is to stop the
French (Catholic) troops from creating a mutiny against their
"heathen" leader. It has nothing to do with religion, and is in fact a
typical Masonic lie.
To strengthen his power, Napoleon puts a crown on his OWN head, and
lies in the Press that the Pope has done it. The Pope, in captivity,
cannot reach the Press, and so cannot stop the DISinformation
spreading.
Napoleon called his Masons "Grande Oriente". There were at that time
THREE splinter groups, attacking each other. They also wage wars for
their own reason, and use the general public as soldiers to fight for
"democracy".
DISinformation continues to this day, in every shape and form. The
newspapers lie. One blatant example was the story of the homosexual
Taliban.
It is true that they are homosexual. That is a standard technique of
the CIA "Universals". They visit lavatories to find people with a
little bit of shame, such as homosexuality. Then they say they will
"keep your secret" if you do something for them. It is a crime. They
will keep your two secrets if you do a third. Then a fifth.
Ultimately, it is terrorism.
Gorbachov withdrew the Russian troops from Afghanistan, and the
Taliban seized the opportunity to stop being slaves of the Americans.
Bin Laden, with his al Qua'ida, stole the war chest. There are now at
least FIVE separate groups.
However, when the British invaded Afghanistan, they said in the papers
that the Taliban were wearing lipstick and high heels. They said the
Taliban were "blowing kisses" at the "hunky" British soldiers.
The reality is that these terrorists are unhinged with fear, and would
not hang around to blow kisses. They were and are ON THE RUN. They are
SUICIDAL.
The reporter had never been to Afghanistan. Typical Masonic lies.
Charles Douglas Wehner
>
> Duck
Duck
<charlesweh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 26 Apr., 19:29, Duck <duckka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 26, 6:02 pm, "charlesweh...@hotmail.com"<charlesweh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > So democracy is a sham - an illusion.
>
> > *Correct but for different reasons.
>
> > > Then you go to the doctor. He takes blood, and arranges an
> > > appointment. You think the blood goes into a laboratory. It does not.
> > > Tests cost money. Your appointment will have been arranged by Masonic
> > > reversal. If it is urgent, they tell you to wait six months. If it is
> > > not, you might get an early appointment to make the Health Service
> > > seem OK.
>
> > *This is a new one to me, what evidence have you?
>
> FIFTY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. I was a "health tourist" before the term
> was invented. Vast numbers of people today are searching the world for
> PROPER medical help - in vain.
>
you can provide some proof I'd be interested.
> I ran the POLLYPHILES campaign for justice. The world-famous film
> director Anthony Minghella supported us, as did thousands of
> celebrities. Two months ago, Minghella was MURDERED. That is a
> standard. Nobody dies of internal bleeding AFTER AN OPERATION and IN A
> HOSPITAL unless the doctors are fake.
>
>
*Yes they do, he died after work on his tonsils, a tonsillectomy alone
can be a dangerous operation never mind cancerous. When I was in
hospital for the same the woman next to me had heart failure several
times during the night, each time the doctors revived her. She was fit
and well when she left.
This was of course after an operation and in a hospital.
I'm fine by the way.
>
> > Just one point to the masonic conspiracy, if freemasons had such an
> > influence in many of the revolutions of history and clearly many were
> > involved, what was the result of those revolutions?
>
> FAKE DEMOCRACY. No Mason can make any decisions for himself. Each
> takes orders from the one above him. So there is a "fake debate", for
> example, about what the President of the US, "Dubya" Bush is deciding.
> He is not deciding. He is just reciting his "lines" like an actor.
>
>
*Of course but I'd need more proof that it's due to masonry and not
big business.
>
> > France and America both became democracies and Ireland might've if
> > they had've succeeded.
>
> You have just agreed that democracy is a sham, an illusion.
>
>
*Real democracy yes, but they still have final accountability to the
people, they can't push the illusion too far for fear of civil unrest.
Which to be frank is the only thing which stops them, at the moment.
>
> > And in the case of France they were overthrowing Royalty who were
> > freemasons themselves, same goes for the many of the British royals in
> > the Irish context..
>
> THAT IS ANOTHER STANDARD. The Masons make for the heads of state to
> try to corrupt them. When the head of state is their slave, the nation
> is in their hands. However, Masons are NOT united. The "Antients" were
> British. They began in 1712, and in 1717 erected the "Grand Lodge of
> England". In 1738, the first of eight Popes to condemn them wrote this
> ecyclical:
>
> http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Clem12/c15inemengl.htm
>
*Which they saw as a competing religion and if the early vatican was
against them then I'm on the Freemasons side, at least in this
respect. There's no shortage of evidence of the evils done by the
early church but where is your evidence that Freemasonry is evil?
> However, the British Masons were fighting amongst themselves. They
> were later to reunite, and the "Grand Lodge of England" became the
> "United Grand Lodge of England".
>
*Yes but where the Scottish and Irish not involved in opposition to
them who formed the Antients and they too were involved in the
revolution as the English were trying to disregard the old rites.
Setting out to kill is a different matter.
> During the chaos, George Washington stole the stolen money from the
> "Antients". The result, in 1775, was the American War of Independence.
> The colonists repulsed Cornwallis and his two armies, and Washington
> called his Masons "Universal". There were now two factions opposed to
> each other.
>
*They already were but I'm sure (though I could be wrong) it was the
Antients who supported the revolution, Daniel O'Connell being a high
up mason. The Catholic church didn't help his cause in Ireland by
banning the faithful from Freemasonry, if anything the church was anti-
democratic, no surprise there.
> Washington had a Masonic slave called Marie-Jean Motier. He was a war
> criminal. He was given the fake title of "Marquis de Lafayette", and
> sent to France to spread the "Universals". They were to kill the
> "Antients". The "Antients" in France countered by setting up the
> "Jacobins" under Robespierre. The bloodbath began.
>
*Was he not advocating democracy and the execution of the king?
> The French Revolution began in 1789. In January 1793, Louis the
> Sixteenth was killed. The Reign of Terror began.
>
> Said Robespierre "Terror is nothing other than justice, prompt,
> severe, inflexible" . You can see the warped mentality.
>
> There were heads on sticks everywhere. That is hardly justice. The
> secrecy of Freemasonry meant that nobody knew who was plotting and who
> was not. So anybody could get killed. In addition, as each Mason is
> blackmailed by his Master, he might plot revenge against his own
> Master. Thus, Antients were killing Antients, Antients were killing
> Universals, Universals were killing Universals and Universals were
> killing Antients. Add to that the deaths of the innocents, and you get
> the picture.
>
*It was an old time revolution, standards were different and people
always get killed, it still doesn't say they're evil.
>
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>
> It is true that they are homosexual. That is a standard technique of
> the CIA "Universals". They visit lavatories to find people with a
> little bit of shame, such as homosexuality. Then they say they will
> "keep your secret" if you do something for them. It is a crime. They
> will keep your two secrets if you do a third. Then a fifth.
> Ultimately, it is terrorism.
>
*They need to control anyone all they had to do was wind them up into
a Jihad against the Russians. That doesn't make sense.
There is some evidence that the Taliban were gay but being severly
religious it's not unique.
None of the above convinces me a evil Freemasonry.
Duck
charle...@hotmail.com
describe in detail all of my fifty years of searching for medical
help, but my "health tourism" took me to Dublin.
There I was kept waiting at one hospital for 24 hours, although
extremely ill and in pain. I gave up.
Next, I went to an expensive private hospital, which kept causing
needless delays so that my hotel costs were rising and rising.
Finally, they made some excuse not to help.
John F Kennedy was being lied to by fake doctors since his illness
started at the age of nine, until his family decided he should go with
Jacqueline Bouvier to France and Ireland to get to know her. As
Catholics, there was to be no hanky-panky before marriage. So they
asked Pamela Churchill to be Jackie's chaperone.
They went to France, and then to London on the way to Ireland. His
sister Kathleen had become Lady Hartington by marriage. Whilst
visiting her, he collapsed.
There was a documentary about Kennedy:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/35_kennedy/filmmore/filmscript.html
Here is an extract:
Pamela Churchill Harriman: I called up our doctor, Sir Daniel Davis,
and asked him to go 'round and see Jack. He put him straight into the
London Clinic and said to me, "That brother of Lady Hartington's, he
hasn't got a year to live. He's very sick."
That was the point when he suddenly got the diagnosis he should have
got twenty-one years earlier.
So Kennedy himself was a kind of "health tourist", in that he had been
to France and then was diagnosed in London - not in America.
There are real doctors, but they are hidden away. The plot is that the
public cannot gain access to them. This is a vast, vast problem. This
is Freekmasonry - the fake doctors are terrorized by their masters
into picking on the sick and vulnerable, if only to stretch out their
suffering and draw more money into the war coffers.
This kind of pernicious evil would not be possible without the
assistance of Freek lawyers, and Freek bureacrats. The corrupt system
of law sabotages every attempt at creating justice. The "doctors" at
the lodge are overwhelmed by the vast number of other fake "doctors",
of fake "lawyers", of bent "politicians". They get scared. It is
generally one percent of the population in the West, or one in a
thousand of the world population. So each member decides not to fight
the "system" of terror.
So you cannot expose "doctors" one by one by name. The "lawyers" will
simply go to their lodge and arrange a hit-man to kill you.
You cannot go to the police. They are members of the "system".
There are very many of us out on the web, describing our experiences.
Many have been killed. However, the world must know how corrupt
lawyers protect unqualified doctors, unqualified lawyers, Freek
police, government-run drug-pushing and other obscenities.
Andy Lowe McArdle saw men in high-ranking police uniforms supplying
drugs to pushers. He thought it was just one or two bent cops. So he
went to a police station and told men in police uniforms about it.
He was snatched from the street, taken to Carstairs hospital and
beaten to death by "doctors".
This is NOT the face of Andy McArdle. It looks nothing like him. It is
Andy in his coffin with his face beaten to pulp:
http://www.normanscarth.com/design2_clip_image002_0000.jpg
Wake up, World.
Nuclear war is just around the corner if you ignore such warnings.
Charles Douglas Wehner
Ishtar
One of the numerous documentaries exploiting the Peter Sutcliffe myth
is being repeated tonight at 8pm on Channel Five
uk.
Those who are beginning to see the terrible truth about the Yorkshire
Ripper cover up may like to have a look at it, knowing that Sutcliffe
committed only THREE of the murders he was charged with - Yvonne
Pearson, Jacqueline Hill, Margo Walls - and that the REAL Yorkshire
Ripper was left free to go on killing for the past 27 years to make
life easier for the West Yorkshire Police.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article622475.ece
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