Double yellow lines on a private road.
Nick
Sorry if you have heard this before.
We own a terraced house where we also own a bit of the road way out front. This is
the same for all of the residents along the street - 5 houses.
We have to allow access for cars to come along the street (therefore over
our bit of the road) but they are not allowed to park there.
We have a bit of a problem with people parking on our street for
short times in order to visit the local shops. This mainly happens
during early morning and evening rush hour when traffic is busiest, it
also coincides when I want to either get my car out of my garage or
park my car in my garage. The problem is that people often park
blocking my garage, whilst parked on my property.
The question is:
Can I paint double yellow lines along my bit of road? and is there
a way of enforcing people to not park their cars in such as place as
to block my garage without myself breaking the law?
Any help appreciated.
Regards
Nick
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Nick Thomas
Johnjo
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Velvet
it for parking. They had it double-yellowed, and as employees, we were
allowed to park on the yellow lines, when no other spaces were available,
but ran the gauntlet of the traffic wardens, who had no idea it was a
private road, and would ticket anything on a double yellow. I was told by
the company the wardens were actually in the wrong, since it was a private
road, but you would have to do your own research to be sure about this.
Just something to consider - it may end up a lot of hassle to keep having to
prove why you shouldn't get fined for parking on your own double yellows ;-)
Velvet
GMP Overreach Unit
This situation comes up a lot, and has been dealt with on alt.legal before.
Anyway, the best advice seems to be:
1. Every time a car parks blocking your way - phone 999 and tell them you
cannot get access to the street.Then wait around for a week.
2. Sell your car, and by a more maneuverable bicycle.
3. Move house.
4. Burn the local shops to the ground.
5. Have a word with the shopkeepers and explain that they shouldn't open
until you have left for work. Show you are serious by causing a 'small'
breakage of the shop stock; as a warning.
6. When a car parks so as to block your exit, wait until the miscreant
driver enters one of the shops and then discreetly set his/her car on fire.
Kerosene in a milk bottle is best for this.
Hope this helps.
Sgt Sam Blackshaw
Greater Manchester Police
Royton Community Outreach Dept.
Thames Valley Way
Ormskirk
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Adrian Boliston
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> You could always enlist a clamping company
Not a bad idea to get the clampers in. I have tended to be anti clamping
but recently they have started clamping unathorised parkers in the
residents-only car park where I live, where non-residents were causing a
nuisance by blocking resident's parking spaces. It can be quite
entertaining listening to people go mad and start swearing when they see
they have been clamped, and then listen to them try and wriggle out of
paying, even though this never works!
nightjar
> The question is:
> Can I paint double yellow lines along my bit of road?
The standard marking for a private drive is a white line parallel to the
kerb, with a cross bar at each end. I used that in a similar situation and
found it worked perfectly well.
Colin Bignell
Adrian Boliston
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> The standard marking for a private drive is a white line parallel to the
> kerb, with a cross bar at each end. I used that in a similar situation and
> found it worked perfectly well.
The problem is often someone parking *opposite* your drive rather than
directly across it.
Bob Brenchley.
>My ex-ex-ex company owned a private road, and had problems with people using
>it for parking. They had it double-yellowed, and as employees, we were
>allowed to park on the yellow lines, when no other spaces were available,
>but ran the gauntlet of the traffic wardens,
Should not have. TWs have strict beats. If a road has new yellow lines
it will not get any tickets until allocated to a TW's beat.
However, Mr Plod may look on it different.
> who had no idea it was a
>private road, and would ticket anything on a double yellow. I was told by
>the company the wardens were actually in the wrong, since it was a private
>road, but you would have to do your own research to be sure about this.
>Just something to consider - it may end up a lot of hassle to keep having to
>prove why you shouldn't get fined for parking on your own double yellows ;-)
>
>Velvet
>
--
Bob.
The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The
distinction is yours to draw...
Velvet
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Oh, I know it shouldn't have, but we would get tickets on a regular enough
basis, and each time proof was shown, and yet it happened again... Maybe
they never took it off the TW's beat then, I don't know. Just sharing my
experiences with it.
Velvet
The Natural Philosopher
I'sd say of it was yoyr bit of road, you could paint lines on it.
However, they wouln't be enforceable. Unlss you enlist a private
security or clamping firm.
Mike Harrison
If it's your road I'm sure you can paint whatever you like on it, and it may act as a deterrent, but
not enforceable.
Mike Harrison
>On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:55:03 GMT, "Velvet" <n...@valid.address> wrote:
>
>>My ex-ex-ex company owned a private road, and had problems with people using
>>it for parking. They had it double-yellowed, and as employees, we were
>>allowed to park on the yellow lines, when no other spaces were available,
>>but ran the gauntlet of the traffic wardens,
>
>Should not have. TWs have strict beats. If a road has new yellow lines
>it will not get any tickets until allocated to a TW's beat.
If it was a private road surely the TWs had no jurisdiction, although these greedy bastards probably
didn't know & wanted to make up their quota....
Marnie Northington
111900.news.dfncis.de:
Is it still the case that people can remove clamps if they were put there
by private clampers on private property?
Mike Harrison
If they can do so without damage, yes.
Marnie Northington
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ISTR it was ok to cause damage to the clamps, because the clamps were not
legal, or some such.
Adrian Boliston
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> ISTR it was ok to cause damage to the clamps, because the clamps were not
> legal, or some such.
The clamp is legal if correct warning signs are erected. I saw some case law
recently where a driver had to pay Ł60 odd for damage to a padlock plus a Ł250 odd
fine for criminal damage.
Marnie Northington
news:BAC071819...@hack.powernet.co.uk:
> In article <EfSdnfHIW-Z...@giganews.com>,
> Marnie Northington <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Is it still the case that people can remove clamps if they were put
>> there by private clampers on private property?
>
> Has it ever been the case (as long as no damage caused)?
I think so.
Apologies for the lack of references.
<http://www.tmtm.com/nothing/archives/000661.html#000661>
No references here:
<http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/?f=1&t=5405>
Mike Harrison
That's a rather expensive padlock.... Presumably the clamping people over-inflated the value in
accordance with their usual dodgy business practices....
Alan g
<adr...@boliston.co.uk> wrote:
Was that a private clamp or one applied on behalf of a local authority
parking control?
--
Alan G
"The corporate life [of society] must be
subservient to the lives of the parts instead
of the lives of the parts being subservient to
the corporate life."
(Herbert Spencer)
T.J.
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>
You should find that your local council will provide this, at a
cost of £40/50
Unfortunately it has no legal standing. However if a vehicle does
park on them, the presence of the line would tend to support the
offence of obstruction.
Bob Brenchley.
That is exactly the point, private roads are not on their beat.
--
Bob.
If I eat equal amounts of dark chocolate and white chocolate, is that
a balanced diet?
Velvet
OK, which bit of this didn't you understand.
It was a private road.
TW's would ticket it.
We would always get the tickets eventually cancelled, after pointing out
it's a private road.
TW's would continue to ticket it.
Now, either it was WRONGLY on their beat, or they weren't averse to
'helpfully' ticketing a private road, or they don't really have beats, or
the TW's were never informed it was a private road and thus OFF their
beat....
It matters not a jot if it was on their beat or not, if they ticket you,
it's down to YOU to prove they shouldn't have, and there's no guarantee they
won't do it again in the future. THIS is why I flagged that it could
potentially be more hassle than it's worth to mark a road such as the OP
described with yellow lines....
Velvet
Robin Cox
These lines are increasingly being used across driveways in residents
parking zones, where it would not be desirable to create a designated parking
space across the driveway.
The result is that the owner of the driveway, and any visitors or guests can park
there i.e. obstructing their own drive, but other vehicles will be deterred from
doing so by the white line.
Robin
Bob Brenchley.
>> That is exactly the point, private roads are not on their beat.
>>
>> --
>> Bob.
>>
>> If I eat equal amounts of dark chocolate and white chocolate, is that
>> a balanced diet?
>
>OK, which bit of this didn't you understand.
>
>It was a private road.
>
>TW's would ticket it.
>
>We would always get the tickets eventually cancelled, after pointing out
>it's a private road.
>
>TW's would continue to ticket it.
>
>Now, either it was WRONGLY on their beat, or they weren't averse to
>'helpfully' ticketing a private road, or they don't really have beats, or
>the TW's were never informed it was a private road and thus OFF their
>beat....
>
>It matters not a jot if it was on their beat or not, if they ticket you,
>it's down to YOU to prove they shouldn't have, and there's no guarantee they
>won't do it again in the future. THIS is why I flagged that it could
>potentially be more hassle than it's worth to mark a road such as the OP
>described with yellow lines....
>
>Velvet
I would say it was either wrongly on their beat, or they were just too
[lazy/ignorant/zelous/spiteful].
I have been in a position where I've got a similar ticket. In this
case 100 yards of a road was designated as no parking (it was a public
road) and this was clearly shown on the beat map. The other 200 yards
was not designated. Trouble was the TWs used to ticket all cars in the
whole road.
After the first two I used to go and contest it in court. That is the
only way to get them to change - when a judge tells them to get their
act together.
--
Bob.
I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead.