Harry Stanley cops arrested
AlanG
And it's about time.
Now perhaps a court can decide guilt or innocence rather than a bunch
of civil servants.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1416715.html?menu=
"Two Metropolitan Police officers have been arrested on suspicion of
murder in connection with the death of a painter and decorator killed
by police marksmen.
Harry Stanley, 46, from Hackney, east London, was shot in the head and
hand on September 22, 1999 after a table leg he was carrying in a bag
was mistaken for a gun.
The two officers were arrested on suspicion of murder, gross
negligence, manslaughter and conspiracy to pervert the course of
justice by Surrey Police officers.
They have been released on bail to return to a Surrey Police station
on June 16, pending further inquiries."
Robbie
about time too. I'm sure the police would love this to go away, but
perhaps there'll be someone held to account. Though I wouldn't hold my
breath yet...
Robbie
AlanG
wrote:
Indeed.
I'm not one to rush to judgement as my comments on the 'hanged child'
case shows but there is enough information in the public domain to
show that in this case there needs someone to answer. Either the
officers who killed or those who negligently allowed them to operate
in the way they did. Or both.
Robbie
I'd say it's probably the middle thing you mentioned - those who
negligently allowed them. The culture of how individual officers operate
is the problem. I seriously doubt the problem is the individual cops who
actually shot him - at the end of the day they operate in the culture
that allows them to behave like that. If that makes sense...
Robbie
Robbie
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:43:32 GMT, AlanG <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>
>>And it's about time.
>>Now perhaps a court can decide guilt or innocence rather than a bunch
>>of civil servants.
>
>
> atm, just a public relations exercise:-( I cannot see much being
> gained by charging them either as the man is dead and it is obvious
> they never killed him out if malice, just incompetence.
> pete
I agree - see my post, it's the culture they operate in that is to
blame, and for that more senior officers should take the blame.
Robbie
AlanG
<dele...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:43:32 GMT, AlanG <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>And it's about time.
>>Now perhaps a court can decide guilt or innocence rather than a bunch
>>of civil servants.
>
>They haven't been charged even so far so don't get too excited. It's,
>atm, just a public relations exercise:-( I cannot see much being
>gained by charging them either as the man is dead and it is obvious
>they never killed him out if malice, just incompetence.
>pete
Getting someone dead through your incompetence is usually enough to
get you into court in this country.
Martin Milan
> Yes of course you are correct but this case has the potential to cause
> many problems such as cops going on strike etc. It is a delicate
> situation which can be used to bring the cops into line and take away
> some of the liberties allowed to them at present. I cannot believe I
> am writing this way as clearly anybody else would already be in jail
> but maybe I feel sorry for the cops who have been put into an
> impossible position. That doesn't bring Harry Stanley back to life
> though does it:-( The situation now could result in the whole police
> force downing tools but if the government has the bottle it could also
> make the ones remaining more accountable.
> pete
You're right in what you say, but it shouldn't be a matter of the
government needing to bottle to take them on. Any strike action would be
nothing more than an attempt to prevent the officers being held
accountable in court, and would show the striking officers to be first
rate hypocrites.
I'd actually welcome a strike - let's find which officers feel this way,
replace them, and get some more deserving constables in our midst.
I can appreciate that the officers involved with to show solidarity with
their colleagues, but trying to prevent their appearence before a court
is ridiculous. If they are innocent, then let this be determined in
court. If not, court is the right place for them...
Martin.
Sir Colin Sampson
Martin Milan wrote:
>
> I'd actually welcome a strike - let's find which officers feel this way,
> replace them, and get some more deserving constables in our midst.
If police strike, I wonder if the ringleaders will charged with
conspiring to pervrt the course of justice.
>
> I can appreciate that the officers involved with to show solidarity with
> their colleagues,
Oh, wow, now I'd say you were spot on
but trying to prevent their appearence before a court
> is ridiculous.
Wonder who would dare arrest his "mates" he'd be blacklisted for life
If they are innocent, then let this be determined in
> court. If not, court is the right place for them...
Never known a cop have any regard for the courts, except at a time it
suits them...
>
> Martin.
Martin Milan
> If police strike, I wonder if the ringleaders will charged with
> conspiring to pervrt the course of justice.
I doubt it, but they perhaps should be. Any imbecile ought to be able to
see that, as officers of the law, any such action would be totally
inappropriate.
> Wonder who would dare arrest his "mates" he'd be blacklisted for life
A senior officer perhaps who couldn't care less?
> Never known a cop have any regard for the courts, except at a time it
> suits them...
Can't really say I have had many dealings with them, apart from a
friend's trial, in which the police witness statements even stated that
the police had told them what to say, but he was still convicted.
Cleared on appeal though...
Martin.