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steve robinson
Jan 21, 2012, 8:24:29 AM1/21/12
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Any one heard from him recently
Ophelia
Jan 21, 2012, 8:32:23 AM1/21/12
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"steve robinson" <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Any one heard from him recently
No but I've mailed him:(
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steve robinson
Jan 21, 2012, 8:49:32 AM1/21/12
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Mike P
Jan 21, 2012, 10:31:17 AM1/21/12
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On Jan 21, 1:24 pm, "steve robinson" <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk>
wrote:
wrote:
> Any one heard from him recently
Yeah, last week...
johannes
Jan 21, 2012, 12:19:40 PM1/21/12
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steve robinson wrote:
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> Any one heard from him recently
Bod
Jan 21, 2012, 12:36:09 PM1/21/12
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Bod
Steve Firth
Jan 21, 2012, 1:52:40 PM1/21/12
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The Grey Man
Jan 21, 2012, 2:01:32 PM1/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:52:40 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
<%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>It's an abbreviation of "Retarded".
Does having an "anonymous" pop at someone terminally ill make you feel
<%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>It's an abbreviation of "Retarded".
like a hard man or something?
If the internet ever gets regulated it will be due to the likes of
your sort.
I imagine you're very proud of yourself.
®i©ardo
Jan 21, 2012, 2:56:42 PM1/21/12
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that was many, many moons ago.
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joe
Jan 21, 2012, 2:59:28 PM1/21/12
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The Grey Man wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:52:40 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
> <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > It's an abbreviation of "Retarded".
>
> Does having an "anonymous" pop at someone terminally ill make you feel
> like a hard man or something?
He was the one have pops at other posters for being anonymous.
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:52:40 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
> <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > It's an abbreviation of "Retarded".
>
> Does having an "anonymous" pop at someone terminally ill make you feel
> like a hard man or something?
>
> If the internet ever gets regulated it will be due to the likes of
> your sort.
>
> I imagine you're very proud of yourself.
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Mr. Benn
Jan 21, 2012, 3:26:15 PM1/21/12
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On 21/01/2012 13:32, Ophelia wrote:
How very touching
so know you are emailing the nemesis eh
Kev. I am more than a little pissed off with your patronising and bullying
stance towards me. It might work with wee wimmin around you but it won't
work with me. but you know that now don't you? Hence your parting shot.
"Fair enough. People are judged by the company they keep..."
Let us leave that one for the moment and go back to this:
" I tell you what; print off that long list of Steve Firth quotes
(garnered, I point out again, over just a few weeks of posts)
I notice that when you made your long list, you omitted the following:
(or did it not show him in a bad enough light?)
" You constantly call me 'Walter Mitty" over my
career and experience which apparently you don't understand. You yelled
"Walter Mitty" at me for statements about my acting experience and then you
toddle off, find clips of me acting in a movie on national TV on You Tube,
mail the links to your chums and continue to call me "Walter Mitty". But
you're too fucking stupid to admit you were wrong in the first place.
""...you toddle off, find clips of me acting in a movie on national
TV on You Tube, mail the links to your chums...""
The obvious actions of someone with the commendable underlying character you
discuss here:
"Anyone can assume a civilised veneer. Nick Griffin is a master of
that. What is important is the underlying character
You are a bully and bod is sly and a whinger. To be honest neither of you
has a 'civilised veneer' Not even up to Griffin standards.
As you pointed out..."People are judged by the company they keep..." Quite
so and you two complement each other very well.
You are not a cop any longer although I am sure it pains you to realise that
no one has to jump when you bark.
Just be sure... this wee wumman won't!
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How very touching
so know you are emailing the nemesis eh
Kev. I am more than a little pissed off with your patronising and bullying
stance towards me. It might work with wee wimmin around you but it won't
work with me. but you know that now don't you? Hence your parting shot.
"Fair enough. People are judged by the company they keep..."
Let us leave that one for the moment and go back to this:
" I tell you what; print off that long list of Steve Firth quotes
(garnered, I point out again, over just a few weeks of posts)
I notice that when you made your long list, you omitted the following:
(or did it not show him in a bad enough light?)
" You constantly call me 'Walter Mitty" over my
career and experience which apparently you don't understand. You yelled
"Walter Mitty" at me for statements about my acting experience and then you
toddle off, find clips of me acting in a movie on national TV on You Tube,
mail the links to your chums and continue to call me "Walter Mitty". But
you're too fucking stupid to admit you were wrong in the first place.
""...you toddle off, find clips of me acting in a movie on national
TV on You Tube, mail the links to your chums...""
The obvious actions of someone with the commendable underlying character you
discuss here:
"Anyone can assume a civilised veneer. Nick Griffin is a master of
that. What is important is the underlying character
You are a bully and bod is sly and a whinger. To be honest neither of you
has a 'civilised veneer' Not even up to Griffin standards.
As you pointed out..."People are judged by the company they keep..." Quite
so and you two complement each other very well.
You are not a cop any longer although I am sure it pains you to realise that
no one has to jump when you bark.
Just be sure... this wee wumman won't!
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Mr. Benn
Jan 21, 2012, 3:28:36 PM1/21/12
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On 21/01/2012 19:01, The Grey Man wrote:
speech. If you don't like free to fuck off to Iran.
Mr. Benn
Jan 21, 2012, 3:29:33 PM1/21/12
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On 21/01/2012 13:24, steve robinson wrote:
> Any one heard from him recently
Yeah if you pop up to Cheshire you can hear him screaming in pain.
> Any one heard from him recently
Theodore
Jan 21, 2012, 4:01:21 PM1/21/12
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Mr. Benn
Jan 21, 2012, 4:28:32 PM1/21/12
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Kevin Loon is a racist bigot stalker end off.
Mike P
Jan 21, 2012, 6:19:42 PM1/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:01:32 +0000, The Grey Man stammered:
Who's doing anything anonymously? Would that be you "Grey man?"
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Mike P
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Steve Firth
Jan 21, 2012, 7:50:35 PM1/21/12
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The Grey Man <juan...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:52:40 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
> <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> It's an abbreviation of "Retarded".
>
> Does having an "anonymous" pop at someone terminally ill make you feel
> like a hard man or something?
In what way am I "anonymous"? I find a wanker who chooses to call himself
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:52:40 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
> <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> It's an abbreviation of "Retarded".
>
> Does having an "anonymous" pop at someone terminally ill make you feel
> like a hard man or something?
by that name most amusing when said cowardly wanker hiding behind a nym
tells someone using his real name that he is "anonymous".
steve robinson
Jan 22, 2012, 4:54:46 AM1/22/12
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Thomas
Jan 22, 2012, 7:21:30 AM1/22/12
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Periander
Jan 22, 2012, 6:30:27 PM1/22/12
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On 22-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass <ne...@here.ever> wrote:
> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
> against this country.
Such as?
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Periander
Ian
Jan 23, 2012, 4:23:56 AM1/23/12
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"Feral Underclass" <ne...@here.ever> wrote in message
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> Thomas <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>On 21/01/2012 21:28, Mr. Benn wrote:
>>> On 21/01/2012 21:01, Theodore wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:52:40 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
>>>> <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> johannes<jo...@sizef37942542244itter.com> wrote:
>>>>>> steve robinson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any one heard from him recently
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wot else does Ret stand for?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's an abbreviation of "Retarded".
>>>>
I have not always agreed with "Ret".
>
>
>>On 21/01/2012 21:28, Mr. Benn wrote:
>>> On 21/01/2012 21:01, Theodore wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:52:40 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
>>>> <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> johannes<jo...@sizef37942542244itter.com> wrote:
>>>>>> steve robinson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any one heard from him recently
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wot else does Ret stand for?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's an abbreviation of "Retarded".
>>>>
But he has never (AFAIK) used offensive terminology on this newsgroup; he
has alway stated his own opinion (whether correct or not) in a perfectly
acceptavble manner.
I do hope his absence is only temporary - and I deplore the comments made by
certain "contributors".
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®i©ardo
Jan 23, 2012, 5:30:27 AM1/23/12
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On 22/01/2012 18:35, Feral Underclass wrote:
> I quite miss Ret myself, all the reports of police corruption aren't
> the same without his excuses. Maybe someone could recruit a new one on
> one of the sites where the police plan their thuggery?
> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
> against this country.
>
No more than those of the trade union fascists.
> against this country.
>
> I quite miss Ret myself, all the reports of police corruption aren't
> the same without his excuses. Maybe someone could recruit a new one on
> one of the sites where the police plan their thuggery?
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Cynic
Jan 23, 2012, 8:04:33 AM1/23/12
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:23:56 -0000, "Ian" <i...@henden.co.uk> wrote:
>I have not always agreed with "Ret".
>But he has never (AFAIK) used offensive terminology on this newsgroup; he
>has alway stated his own opinion (whether correct or not) in a perfectly
>acceptavble manner.
>I do hope his absence is only temporary - and I deplore the comments made by
>certain "contributors".
I second those views. I have disagreed with almost all of Kev's views
>I have not always agreed with "Ret".
>But he has never (AFAIK) used offensive terminology on this newsgroup; he
>has alway stated his own opinion (whether correct or not) in a perfectly
>acceptavble manner.
>I do hope his absence is only temporary - and I deplore the comments made by
>certain "contributors".
and opinions over the years, some more than others. But as you say he
has almost always presented his opinions in a perfectly polite manner
and he engages in honest debate. His intentions are good even if I
believe many are misguided - and I am quite certain that he is a far
better husband and father than the majority of men in the UK.
I also note that he is dealing with his dreadful situation with a
great deal of pragmatism, and has not become bitter or self-pitying
and nor is he complaining about the unfairness of it all. Kev is also
remaining sensible and true to his own principles despite such a
life-changing event. That attitude in the face of such adversedy
deserves *everyone's* respect. Kev and his family certainly have my
sincere sympathy.
Gloating about his condition is vile and obnoxious. I cannot
understand how anyone could have such a reaction, and can only assume
that they are making unthinking comments for the shock value, or in
the mistaken belief that it makes them appear "hard".
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Ophelia
Jan 23, 2012, 8:59:14 AM1/23/12
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"David D S" <inv...@invalid.invaid> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:24:29 +0000 (UTC), "steve robinson"
> <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Any one heard from him recently
>
> I got a reply to email a week or so ago. The problem is that my PC
> <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Any one heard from him recently
>
> promptly gave up the ghost, and I've taken up to now to get used to
> the new one I had to buy, in which the only operating system available
> easily was Windows. Unfortunately, its the Chinese version, where all
> menus, options, etc are in different places, and it has a stubbornly
> different set of procedures to link to the Internet that I'm sure was
> introduced to keep the Chinese government happy. I think its hardware
> defined, because when I eventually downloaded a version of Gnu/Linux,
> it had the same problems (neither of which occurred with my old UK
> bought laptop.
>
>
> Back to Ret: I *think* I am now in a position to use email, etc
> reliably on my new machine, so I'll be replying to his latest email to
> me in a day or so.
We exchanged a few emails up to a couple of weeks ago, just before he went
for that last Thursday session. I have had no response during the past
week:(
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Bod
Jan 23, 2012, 9:10:28 AM1/23/12
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Steve Firth
Jan 23, 2012, 9:43:16 AM1/23/12
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Cynic <cyni...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
being and everything about him is a matter of great indifference to me.
However I'm not going to change my opinion of a liar, libeller, stalker,
harasser and blackmailer just because he declares that he is ill. If he
wanted a reconciliation he was free to apologise for his actions. As it was
I'm told by others that his reaction after announcing he was ill was to
make a series of posts to Usenet in which he publicised personal
information about me and my wife, presumably thinking that his terminal
condition puts him beyond legal redress. He remains as contemptible as he
was when he started his stalking campaign.
[snip]
>
> Gloating about his condition is vile and obnoxious. I cannot
> understand how anyone could have such a reaction, and can only assume
> that they are making unthinking comments for the shock value, or in
> the mistaken belief that it makes them appear "hard".
I will not and have not "gloated" over his condition. His health, well
> Gloating about his condition is vile and obnoxious. I cannot
> understand how anyone could have such a reaction, and can only assume
> that they are making unthinking comments for the shock value, or in
> the mistaken belief that it makes them appear "hard".
being and everything about him is a matter of great indifference to me.
However I'm not going to change my opinion of a liar, libeller, stalker,
harasser and blackmailer just because he declares that he is ill. If he
wanted a reconciliation he was free to apologise for his actions. As it was
I'm told by others that his reaction after announcing he was ill was to
make a series of posts to Usenet in which he publicised personal
information about me and my wife, presumably thinking that his terminal
condition puts him beyond legal redress. He remains as contemptible as he
was when he started his stalking campaign.
Periander
Jan 23, 2012, 9:48:21 AM1/23/12
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On 23-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass <ne...@here.ever> wrote:
> >> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
> >> against this country.
> >
> >Such as?
>
> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
Oh dear, you're not very good at this are you? It was Mrs T that introduced
the CPS as a means of restricting the power of an independent police force
and forgive me for pointing out the obvious but it was that prick brown that
de-regulated the banking industry and encouraged them to lend utterly
irresponsibly - although to be fair he a least put his mouth where our money
was and increased government debt to a level that we'll be lucky if our
children aren't still paying for it on their deathbeds (Mrs T left no
national debit)
Do you have any real points?
Mr. Benn
Jan 23, 2012, 9:53:44 AM1/23/12
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I have just emailed him Ron. I haven't heard anything recently from Kev.
It must be a terrible predicament for him to be in.
news:9o582k...@mid.individual.net...
It must be a terrible predicament for him to be in.
The Todal
Jan 23, 2012, 10:04:09 AM1/23/12
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"Periander" <u...@britwar.couk> wrote in message
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>
> On 23-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass <ne...@here.ever> wrote:
>
>> >> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
>> >> against this country.
>> >
>> >Such as?
>>
>> Turning the police into a weapon would be a good example. As would
>> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
>> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
>
> Oh dear, you're not very good at this are you? It was Mrs T that
> introduced
> the CPS as a means of restricting the power of an independent police force
I was listening to LBC Radio on Saturday. There is a morning slot run by
> On 23-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass <ne...@here.ever> wrote:
>
>> >> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
>> >> against this country.
>> >
>> >Such as?
>>
>> Turning the police into a weapon would be a good example. As would
>> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
>> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
>
> Oh dear, you're not very good at this are you? It was Mrs T that
> introduced
> the CPS as a means of restricting the power of an independent police force
Ken Livingstone and David Mellor. Mellor boasted that he introduced the CPS
as a way of ensuring that prosecution decisions were truly impartial and
objective and fair etc.
Mellor has, on other occasions, said on LBC that when he was Home Office
Minister and required to consider whether to agree the release on licence of
Myra Hindley he spoke to his loyal civil servant who was far more wise than
any judge or lawyer, and was assured that she was a wrong 'un and far worse
than Ian Brady, and on the strength of this, made his decision to block any
chance of her early release. That's probably an example of impartiality and
objectivity as seen by Mellor.
And no, I don't say that Hindley deserved to be released. Only that the
decisions that were made about her were made, in the main, by cowardly
politicians who were more concerned with winning elections than with doing
the right thing.
Bod
Jan 23, 2012, 10:04:12 AM1/23/12
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family and friends.
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mondeo-man - YES
Jan 23, 2012, 10:16:10 AM1/23/12
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On 23/01/2012 11:20, Feral Underclass wrote:
even given the option of voting on whether they wanted to strike or not
- and were too stupid to demand that right. Still, it would have been a
foretaste of what would have come if Commissar Scargill had got his way.
No rights for anyone except trade union bosses and their shock troops.
As would
> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
Yet the one who totally relaxed the regulatory controls on the banks was
Gordon Brown, whilst slipping his good old Scottish chum Sir Fred "The
Shred" Goodwin a knighthood for services to "banking" just before we
ended up with the greatest corporate loss in British history.
To blame someone who had left power twenty years earlier is, once more,
part of the mythology of the left. It's a bit like the claim that she
trashed British Industry, when the union movement had already done that
for her. THAT IS WHY SHE WAS ELECTED - it was to get rid of a Labour
Party whose primary concern was to feed trade union greed because they
were scared of losing their funding. As a direct result of those trade
union excesses and lack of democracy she was given a mandate for reform
- which she took. Has all that been rescinded in the last thirteen years
of Labour mis-rule? But look at what HAS happened to the Labour Party
since - the imposition of the biggest lame duck as their leader since
the days of the unelectable Michael Foot and the Welsh windbag Neil
Kinnock - BY THE TRADE UNION MOVEMENT and against the wishes of the
Parliamentary Labour Party. Stand aside democracy, the fascists of the
left are ready to march again.
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OUT OF MY WAY you plebs
> "Periander"<u...@britwar.couk> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On 22-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass<ne...@here.ever> wrote:
>>
>>> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
>>> against this country.
>>
>> Such as?
>
>
>
>>
>> On 22-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass<ne...@here.ever> wrote:
>>
>>> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
>>> against this country.
>>
>> Such as?
>
> Turning the police into a weapon would be a good example.
A very useful weapon when used against a bunch of thugs - who weren't
even given the option of voting on whether they wanted to strike or not
- and were too stupid to demand that right. Still, it would have been a
foretaste of what would have come if Commissar Scargill had got his way.
No rights for anyone except trade union bosses and their shock troops.
As would
> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
Gordon Brown, whilst slipping his good old Scottish chum Sir Fred "The
Shred" Goodwin a knighthood for services to "banking" just before we
ended up with the greatest corporate loss in British history.
To blame someone who had left power twenty years earlier is, once more,
part of the mythology of the left. It's a bit like the claim that she
trashed British Industry, when the union movement had already done that
for her. THAT IS WHY SHE WAS ELECTED - it was to get rid of a Labour
Party whose primary concern was to feed trade union greed because they
were scared of losing their funding. As a direct result of those trade
union excesses and lack of democracy she was given a mandate for reform
- which she took. Has all that been rescinded in the last thirteen years
of Labour mis-rule? But look at what HAS happened to the Labour Party
since - the imposition of the biggest lame duck as their leader since
the days of the unelectable Michael Foot and the Welsh windbag Neil
Kinnock - BY THE TRADE UNION MOVEMENT and against the wishes of the
Parliamentary Labour Party. Stand aside democracy, the fascists of the
left are ready to march again.
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OUT OF MY WAY you plebs
Ophelia
Jan 23, 2012, 10:16:25 AM1/23/12
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Usenet in which he publicised personal
> information about me and my wife, presumably thinking that his terminal
> condition puts him beyond legal redress. He remains as contemptible as he
> was when he started his stalking campaign.
I missed that!!! When did he do that??
> information about me and my wife, presumably thinking that his terminal
> condition puts him beyond legal redress. He remains as contemptible as he
> was when he started his stalking campaign.
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Nigel Oldfield
Jan 23, 2012, 10:17:57 AM1/23/12
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WM
Ophelia
Jan 23, 2012, 10:17:43 AM1/23/12
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>
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Steve Firth
Jan 23, 2012, 10:46:51 AM1/23/12
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him ages ago. However the source is credible and the info was apparently an
attempt to "prove" that he'd been getting details about the right people
from companies house.
Mr. Benn
Jan 23, 2012, 10:53:18 AM1/23/12
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posted by Ret. that relates to the information you are suggesting.
Ophelia
Jan 23, 2012, 11:10:22 AM1/23/12
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Not again!!!!!!! I thought all that was finished:( Ugh!
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The Todal
Jan 23, 2012, 11:33:53 AM1/23/12
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uk.legal anyway.
Bod
Jan 23, 2012, 11:35:13 AM1/23/12
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Bod
Jan 23, 2012, 11:36:12 AM1/23/12
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Mr. Benn
Jan 23, 2012, 11:41:38 AM1/23/12
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Ophelia
Jan 23, 2012, 12:06:50 PM1/23/12
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with:(
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Silk
Jan 23, 2012, 1:08:23 PM1/23/12
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Only after the stalking cunt was forced to say sorry after realising
that he was up shit creek without a paddle
> > Ret. <x...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> (2)A person is not guilty of an offence by virtue of subsection
> >> (1)(a)(ii) above if he shows-.
> >> (a)that the threat was used to reinforce a demand [F3made by him on
> >> reasonable grounds]; and.
> >> (b)that he believed [F4, and had reasonable grounds for believing,]
> >> that the use of the threat was a proper means of reinforcing the
> >> demand."
> >>
> >> That final paragraph says it all really.
> >
> > It woudl if the conditions of the first paragraph were met. Making
> > irrational demands based on the perception that you have a right to
> > intimidate someone else is not "a demand made on reasonable grounds"
>
> It is when a mass of evidence can be produced to show that over a
period of
> several months the recipient indulged in constant and persistent
harassment
> and provocation.
>
> >
> >> And bearing in mind you have stated in writing on the other group
> >> (within your hypothetical scenario) that you don't really care if
> >> the information is made known anyway
> >
> > Perhaps you failed to read that post properly, as you fail with so
> > many others. I made no observation upon myself, I raised a theoretical
> > question about a person who does not exist.
> >
> >> - the communication has clearly not caused you distress or
> >> anxiety has it?
> >
> > Even if the claim you make above had been correct, the issue is not
> > if I am distressed it is entirely about your intentions. And also
> > about the outcome for any recipient of that communication. It is my
> > belief that your mail constitutes a criminal offence.
>
> I am happy to make it clear that I never intended to cause you
distress or
> anxiety. If you are of such a sensitive nature that you did indeed
suffer
> from distress and anxiety - then I am deeply deeply deeply sorry...
>
> Ironically, being sensitive to the feelings of other people is something
> that you could *never* be accused of is it?
>
> --
> Kev
>
Silk
Jan 23, 2012, 1:11:10 PM1/23/12
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On 23/01/2012 16:10, Ophelia wrote:
Not a man of his word though is he
Ret." <x...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:<4d3b4c45$0$4616$882e...@usenet-news.net>...
> Mike P wrote:
> > On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:40:55 +0000, Steve Firth boggled us with:
> >
> >> Ret. <x...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> No, that seems to be a claim that you are making. I've already stated
> >> that the documents you refer to are factual, I'm questioning your
> >> comprehension of what you have read.
> >
> > That's not unusual that he can't comprehend something.
> >
> >> Although of course I'm flattered
> >> that you decided to spend money on trying to check into my finances.
> >
> > !!! That's somewhat creepy.
> >
> >> It's most amusing that you're *that* annoyed by me.
> >
> > Amusing yes. Very creepy, definitely.
> >
> >> And also amusing that you deny being some sort of deranged stalker.
> >
> > Well, it's clear any denial is only denying it to himself if what you
> > state above is true.
>
> You both win.
>
> I've had enough. No enjoyment in this sort of thing.
>
> I'm bowing out of usenet. I'm sure that you will both be delighted.
>
> --
> Kev
Not a man of his word though is he
Ret." <x...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:<4d3b4c45$0$4616$882e...@usenet-news.net>...
> Mike P wrote:
> > On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:40:55 +0000, Steve Firth boggled us with:
> >
> >> Ret. <x...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> No, that seems to be a claim that you are making. I've already stated
> >> that the documents you refer to are factual, I'm questioning your
> >> comprehension of what you have read.
> >
> > That's not unusual that he can't comprehend something.
> >
> >> Although of course I'm flattered
> >> that you decided to spend money on trying to check into my finances.
> >
> > !!! That's somewhat creepy.
> >
> >> It's most amusing that you're *that* annoyed by me.
> >
> > Amusing yes. Very creepy, definitely.
> >
> >> And also amusing that you deny being some sort of deranged stalker.
> >
> > Well, it's clear any denial is only denying it to himself if what you
> > state above is true.
>
> You both win.
>
> I've had enough. No enjoyment in this sort of thing.
>
> I'm bowing out of usenet. I'm sure that you will both be delighted.
>
> --
> Kev
Silk
Jan 23, 2012, 1:13:37 PM1/23/12
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Ret. <x...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I received a mail, or rather my trash can received a mail because
that
> > > mail was addressed to a non-existent user.
> >
> > You received an email addressed to a non-existent user? That was
clever.
>
> Yes, If you understood how email works you would understand why that
> was. It's not "clever" BTW, it's what happens when one administers one's
> own SMTP server as I'm sure many individuals here can attest. Your email
> was addressed incorrectly, but the domain was correct. That mail was
> therefore accepted by the server. However because the user is
> non-existent the mail is delivered to a trash account. That's how I
> chose to configure it. From time to time I browse the trash to see what
> has arrived, to decide if to release it for delivery and to make sure
> that valid mail is not being trashed by mistake. My upstream ISP and I'm
> sure many others, support this activity by sending me emails from time
> to time listing all the trash deliveries and offering the ability to
> request that the email be released from Quarantine.
>
> You have not been charged for this lesson.
>
> > > I wondered what sort of message it could be and I read it. The mail
> > > appeared to be from someone who was suffering a temporary lapse of
> > > sanity and was masquerading as you. Are you saying that the
ludicrous,
> > > ranting and above all factually incorrect and defamatory material was
> > > really posted by you, an ex police officer, somene who should be
> > > familiar with the law on blackmail, the issuing of menaces and the
> > > Malicious Communications Act 1988?
> >
> > LOL! If you had actually studied those pieces of legislation - you
will know
> > damn well that you haven't got a leg to stand on.
>
> Well, we shall see, eh?
>
> > I *would* be interested to know precisely *which* pieces of
information you
> > regard as factually incorrect however.
>
> I guess you would, it fits with your previous attempts to constantly
> probe aabout me and to discover information that you hope would be in
> some way damaging to me. At this point you really need to go and find a
> mirror, look into it, and ask yourself if the man you can see is
> actually in control of himself. Because the impression gained from
> outside is that you are not.
>
> > I have merely pointed out the information that is already in the public
> > domain - including videos,
>
> A video that it is clear that you can't understand, it's in a language
> that you can't speak and there are no subtitles. However there is one
> blindingly obvious fact about the video that you have missed. And I
> suggest that before you start flinging monkey poo from your cage you
> think about that matter very carefully. And also you may like to refer
> to the question that you were asked that you think the video is an
> answer to. Here's a clue, it's not.
>
> > documents from official sources (submitted by yourself),
>
> You have misunderstood those documents, I fear, and again they are not
> proof of anything other than diligence in meeting the requirements of
> the official body requiring that those documents be provided.
>
> > a web-site that is down (and has been for some time), etc.
>
> A website that isn't mine, but please continue to make a fool of
> yourself in that respect if you must. Yes I created that website and yes
> I'm the registrant for the domain, I even pay for the hosting. But
> that's not "my" site and never was. The owner of that site has good
> reasons for taking it off line and those reasons are none of your
> business. And of course that thought never entered your head, did it?
>
> > I pointed to certain allegations that had been made about you and your
> > business dealings that were in the public domain - but I didn't
make any
> > claim as to their veracity.
>
> You don't have to, repeating libels is never a good idea. Your
> perception of the truth has little to do with it one way or the other.
>
> > Incidentally - have you sued the people who originally made those
> > accusations?
>
> What business is that of yours?
>
> > >> And yes - I unblocked you just to check and see if you took
> > >> advantage of my perfectly reasonable offer.
> > >
> > > <snigger> Yes of course you did. I mean you're not at all telling
lies
> > > on the subject of who you have and haven't "blocked". It's just an
> > > impression given by the mail and by your response here and all the
> > > other responses you have made that your "block" is more akin to
> > > someone peeping between his fingers and asking "has he gone yet?"
> >
> > I suspect most people would be very happy to see you gone.
>
> I notice that you duck the point, again. It's a habit for you - whenver
> the questioning gets just a little bit sticky you pretend not to have
> seen it.
>
> I repeat, if you don't want to see my posts, use a kill file. That means
> having to get a decent newsreader, but that option is open to you. If
> you don't want to see holes picked in your arguments, get better
> arguments. In particular if you stopped regurgitating the opinions fed
> to you by the Daily Mail
>
> > > I received a mail, or rather my trash can received a mail because
that
> > > mail was addressed to a non-existent user.
> >
> > You received an email addressed to a non-existent user? That was
clever.
>
> Yes, If you understood how email works you would understand why that
> was. It's not "clever" BTW, it's what happens when one administers one's
> own SMTP server as I'm sure many individuals here can attest. Your email
> was addressed incorrectly, but the domain was correct. That mail was
> therefore accepted by the server. However because the user is
> non-existent the mail is delivered to a trash account. That's how I
> chose to configure it. From time to time I browse the trash to see what
> has arrived, to decide if to release it for delivery and to make sure
> that valid mail is not being trashed by mistake. My upstream ISP and I'm
> sure many others, support this activity by sending me emails from time
> to time listing all the trash deliveries and offering the ability to
> request that the email be released from Quarantine.
>
> You have not been charged for this lesson.
>
> > > I wondered what sort of message it could be and I read it. The mail
> > > appeared to be from someone who was suffering a temporary lapse of
> > > sanity and was masquerading as you. Are you saying that the
ludicrous,
> > > ranting and above all factually incorrect and defamatory material was
> > > really posted by you, an ex police officer, somene who should be
> > > familiar with the law on blackmail, the issuing of menaces and the
> > > Malicious Communications Act 1988?
> >
> > LOL! If you had actually studied those pieces of legislation - you
will know
> > damn well that you haven't got a leg to stand on.
>
> Well, we shall see, eh?
>
> > I *would* be interested to know precisely *which* pieces of
information you
> > regard as factually incorrect however.
>
> I guess you would, it fits with your previous attempts to constantly
> probe aabout me and to discover information that you hope would be in
> some way damaging to me. At this point you really need to go and find a
> mirror, look into it, and ask yourself if the man you can see is
> actually in control of himself. Because the impression gained from
> outside is that you are not.
>
> > I have merely pointed out the information that is already in the public
> > domain - including videos,
>
> A video that it is clear that you can't understand, it's in a language
> that you can't speak and there are no subtitles. However there is one
> blindingly obvious fact about the video that you have missed. And I
> suggest that before you start flinging monkey poo from your cage you
> think about that matter very carefully. And also you may like to refer
> to the question that you were asked that you think the video is an
> answer to. Here's a clue, it's not.
>
> > documents from official sources (submitted by yourself),
>
> You have misunderstood those documents, I fear, and again they are not
> proof of anything other than diligence in meeting the requirements of
> the official body requiring that those documents be provided.
>
> > a web-site that is down (and has been for some time), etc.
>
> A website that isn't mine, but please continue to make a fool of
> yourself in that respect if you must. Yes I created that website and yes
> I'm the registrant for the domain, I even pay for the hosting. But
> that's not "my" site and never was. The owner of that site has good
> reasons for taking it off line and those reasons are none of your
> business. And of course that thought never entered your head, did it?
>
> > I pointed to certain allegations that had been made about you and your
> > business dealings that were in the public domain - but I didn't
make any
> > claim as to their veracity.
>
> You don't have to, repeating libels is never a good idea. Your
> perception of the truth has little to do with it one way or the other.
>
> > Incidentally - have you sued the people who originally made those
> > accusations?
>
> What business is that of yours?
>
> > >> And yes - I unblocked you just to check and see if you took
> > >> advantage of my perfectly reasonable offer.
> > >
> > > <snigger> Yes of course you did. I mean you're not at all telling
lies
> > > on the subject of who you have and haven't "blocked". It's just an
> > > impression given by the mail and by your response here and all the
> > > other responses you have made that your "block" is more akin to
> > > someone peeping between his fingers and asking "has he gone yet?"
> >
> > I suspect most people would be very happy to see you gone.
>
> I notice that you duck the point, again. It's a habit for you - whenver
> the questioning gets just a little bit sticky you pretend not to have
> seen it.
>
> I repeat, if you don't want to see my posts, use a kill file. That means
> having to get a decent newsreader, but that option is open to you. If
> you don't want to see holes picked in your arguments, get better
> arguments. In particular if you stopped regurgitating the opinions fed
> to you by the Daily Mail
Silk
Jan 23, 2012, 1:15:33 PM1/23/12
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On 23/01/2012 15:04, Bod wrote:
> >
> Indeed Steve, one can only imagine. My thoughts are with him and his
> family and friends.
>
The sooner Kevin Loon is dead the better
> >
> Indeed Steve, one can only imagine. My thoughts are with him and his
> family and friends.
>
Not once have you said you think its wrong for someone to stalk someone
something Kevin Loon is guilty off
You are spamming trolling racist Ronald.
Silk
Jan 23, 2012, 1:17:19 PM1/23/12
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On 23/01/2012 15:46, Steve Firth wrote:
Amazing how not one of the posters has questioned the Fact that he is
a stalker.
Amazing eh
Amazing how not one of the posters has questioned the Fact that he is
a stalker.
Amazing eh
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Ophelia
Jan 23, 2012, 4:38:59 PM1/23/12
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"Silk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:jfk7s1$gsn$2...@speranza.aioe.org...
The only problem with this, Silk, is that those who constantly revive old
posts, prove they don't have a brain cell of their own to share. Their only
talent is for searching:)) Pah, that is easy peasy, but to have an
original idea ... that takes brains:))
Now, I have my own grievances with kev but at least I will talk about them
directly, not drag up old stuff which might be out of date, because I don't
actually have anything new or pertinant to say:) <sigh> why do we have to
put up with this crap, and trust me, I have it in other groups too. There
can be no respect for such! Do you not realise how tedious it is to be
confronted with old , old, old posts???? Who the hell reads them??????? As
soon as I see them, I close the post.
-
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
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Steve Firth
Jan 23, 2012, 6:22:09 PM1/23/12
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Mr. Benn <%%@invalid.com> wrote:
> Just done a groups search from Jan1st to today.. I can't find anything
> posted by Ret. that relates to the information you are suggesting.
Then I suggest that your ability to use Google is lacking. Or perhaps
> Just done a groups search from Jan1st to today.. I can't find anything
> posted by Ret. that relates to the information you are suggesting.
your earliest cut off date. I found the message in question relatively
easily. It confirms my opinion that Kevin Lunn is a cunt.
As did all the other messages from him that were turned up by the same
search such as his libellous claims that I have "ripped off" my
customers, his claims that my company was trading insolvently, his
claims that my company had been dormant for 8 years, his claims that my
company is worthless.
I found this gem:
"In view of the fact that one of those pieces of information was
concerning a person who claimed to have been ripped off by Firth
Consulting, I thought it might be interesting to learn more about the
firm he so often boasts about. I went to the Companies House website
and, as any member of the public is entitled to do, I paid a couple of
quid to download one or two of his firms returns. In fact, it turned out
that the firm had been dormant for eight years - and had declared assets
of £1... "
All of which is libel. The firm is not dormant and certainly has never
been dormant in its history for any period as long as 8 years. The
company has declared assets considerably in excess of £1 and it has
never had a dispute with any customer over services rendered and has
never been accused by any customer that they have been "ripped off".
Kevin Lunn's claims are lies without a single basis in fact.
In July 2011 he claimed (falsely) that my company had been removed from
Companies House. That was a a simple lie.
He claimed that my company had been dormant since 2007 (which is hard to
square with his other claim that the company had been dormant for eight
(or seven) years and as others pointed out the company that he referred
to had Simon Firth as a CEO, not I. When others pointed out, correctly,
that my company was not dormany Kevin Loon claimed that paying for a
report from Companies House would reveal the information that my company
was dormant. That was also a lie, but who would bother to pay for a
report to check?
You may go on thinking that the bloke is a saint, he's not. He's a nasty
blackmailing, lying cunt.
Steve Walker
Jan 23, 2012, 6:32:36 PM1/23/12
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Steve Walker
Jan 23, 2012, 6:34:45 PM1/23/12
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I've seen no such post. Neither has anyone else here.
Is someone trying to provoke you to anger against Kev?
Please spend 5 mins in google groups and check for yourself.
Is someone trying to provoke you to anger against Kev?
Please spend 5 mins in google groups and check for yourself.
Steve Firth
Jan 23, 2012, 7:08:02 PM1/23/12
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"Steve Walker" <spam...@beeb.net> wrote:
> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:264560004349025847.023674%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:192989520349019416.807545%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Usenet in which he publicised personal
>>>> information about me and my wife, presumably thinking that his terminal
>>>> condition puts him beyond legal redress. He remains as contemptible as >>> he
>>>> was when he started his stalking campaign.
>>>
>>> I missed that!!! When did he do that??
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago, apparently. I haven't seen it because I kill-filed
>> him ages ago. However the source is credible and the info was apparently > an
>> attempt to "prove" that he'd been getting details about the right people
>> from companies house.
>
> I've seen no such post. Neither has anyone else here.
Ah yes, "I see no ships".
> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:264560004349025847.023674%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:192989520349019416.807545%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Usenet in which he publicised personal
>>>> information about me and my wife, presumably thinking that his terminal
>>>> condition puts him beyond legal redress. He remains as contemptible as >>> he
>>>> was when he started his stalking campaign.
>>>
>>> I missed that!!! When did he do that??
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago, apparently. I haven't seen it because I kill-filed
>> him ages ago. However the source is credible and the info was apparently > an
>> attempt to "prove" that he'd been getting details about the right people
>> from companies house.
>
> I've seen no such post. Neither has anyone else here.
> Is someone trying to provoke you to anger against Kev?
personal information (names and addresses) to Usenet.
> Please spend 5 mins in google groups and check for yourself.
reference to it since it does contain personal information. It is however
in existence, it was not posted to uk.legal but it was posted to another
group where I post regularly.
I'm bemused at the way that some here think that Kevin Lunn is a plaster
saint. He's a bully, a stalker and and an all-round creep. He had his mates
in the police investigate me with the hope he could turn up some dirt to
dish out. When I challenged him about it his line was that he hadn't
"investigated" me. He had just gone to his mates at Cheshire Constabulary
and asked them what they could find out about me. Same difference IMO.
AndyW
Jan 24, 2012, 2:42:17 AM1/24/12
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On 23/01/2012 09:23, Ian wrote:
> I have not always agreed with "Ret".
>
> But he has never (AFAIK) used offensive terminology on this newsgroup; he
> has alway stated his own opinion (whether correct or not) in a perfectly
> acceptavble manner.
ITYM 'always quoted the Daily Mail, defending it even in the face of the
> I have not always agreed with "Ret".
>
> But he has never (AFAIK) used offensive terminology on this newsgroup; he
> has alway stated his own opinion (whether correct or not) in a perfectly
> acceptavble manner.
real story until retractions have been made by the DM or it all goes quiet'.
>
> I do hope his absence is only temporary - and I deplore the comments made by
> certain "contributors".
Andy
Mr Benn
Jan 24, 2012, 4:07:55 AM1/24/12
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<cough>
Ophelia
Jan 24, 2012, 4:28:07 AM1/24/12
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Dear God!!!! Why is he doing that? What the hell is he getting out of it?
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Ophelia
Jan 24, 2012, 4:29:58 AM1/24/12
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:(
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®i©ardo
Jan 24, 2012, 6:30:07 AM1/24/12
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On 23/01/2012 21:30, Feral Underclass wrote:
> seems a bit unfair to blame him.
But he WAS running things when it all went to rat-shit as a direct
result of his tinkering.
--
Moving things in still pictures
> "Periander"<u...@britwar.couk> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On 23-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass<ne...@here.ever> wrote:
>>
>>>>> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
>>>>> against this country.
>>>>
>>>> Such as?
>>>
>>> Turning the police into a weapon would be a good example. As would
>>> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
>>> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
>>
>> Oh dear, you're not very good at this are you? It was Mrs T that introduced
>> the CPS as a means of restricting the power of an independent police force
>> and forgive me for pointing out the obvious but it was that prick brown that
>> de-regulated the banking industry and encouraged them to lend utterly
>> irresponsibly - although to be fair he a least put his mouth where our money
>> was and increased government debt to a level that we'll be lucky if our
>> children aren't still paying for it on their deathbeds (Mrs T left no
>> national debit)
>>
>> Do you have any real points?
>
> Wikipedo says Brown was only a junior opposition MP in 1986, so it
>
>
>>
>> On 23-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass<ne...@here.ever> wrote:
>>
>>>>> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
>>>>> against this country.
>>>>
>>>> Such as?
>>>
>>> Turning the police into a weapon would be a good example. As would
>>> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
>>> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
>>
>> Oh dear, you're not very good at this are you? It was Mrs T that introduced
>> the CPS as a means of restricting the power of an independent police force
>> and forgive me for pointing out the obvious but it was that prick brown that
>> de-regulated the banking industry and encouraged them to lend utterly
>> irresponsibly - although to be fair he a least put his mouth where our money
>> was and increased government debt to a level that we'll be lucky if our
>> children aren't still paying for it on their deathbeds (Mrs T left no
>> national debit)
>>
>> Do you have any real points?
>
> seems a bit unfair to blame him.
But he WAS running things when it all went to rat-shit as a direct
result of his tinkering.
--
Moving things in still pictures
mondeo-man - YES
Jan 24, 2012, 6:48:12 AM1/24/12
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On 23/01/2012 21:45, Feral Underclass wrote:
> mondeo-man - YES<es...@home.com> wrote:
>> even given the option of voting on whether they wanted to strike or not
>> - and were too stupid to demand that right. Still, it would have been a
>> foretaste of what would have come if Commissar Scargill had got his way.
>> No rights for anyone except trade union bosses and their shock troops.
>
> And the wives and children of miners who were also beaten by the
> police?
>
Ah, that was probably just like the troops being called in by Churchill
shooting a few miners. An urban myth, unlike murder by concrete block.
>>
>> As would
>>> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
>>> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
>>
>> Yet the one who totally relaxed the regulatory controls on the banks was
>> Gordon Brown, whilst slipping his good old Scottish chum Sir Fred "The
>> Shred" Goodwin a knighthood for services to "banking" just before we
>> ended up with the greatest corporate loss in British history.
>>
>> To blame someone who had left power twenty years earlier is, once more,
>> part of the mythology of the left. It's a bit like the claim that she
>> trashed British Industry, when the union movement had already done that
>> for her. THAT IS WHY SHE WAS ELECTED - it was to get rid of a Labour
>> Party whose primary concern was to feed trade union greed because they
>> were scared of losing their funding. As a direct result of those trade
>> union excesses and lack of democracy she was given a mandate for reform
>> - which she took. Has all that been rescinded in the last thirteen years
>> of Labour mis-rule? But look at what HAS happened to the Labour Party
>> since - the imposition of the biggest lame duck as their leader since
>> the days of the unelectable Michael Foot and the Welsh windbag Neil
>> Kinnock - BY THE TRADE UNION MOVEMENT and against the wishes of the
>> Parliamentary Labour Party. Stand aside democracy, the fascists of the
>> left are ready to march again.
>
> Some things take time for their effects to be felt. The lack of social
> housing after Thacher gave away all the council houses didn't really
> bite for decades, but when it did it fueled everything from greedy
> landlords milking the benefits system to greedy bankers lending money
> to people they knew had no hope of ever paying it back.
And yet we can read on a daily basis about wicked bankers refusing to
lend money to unworthy businesses and individuals. Which way do you want
it? Should we go back to Gordon's highlights as Chancellor where he
opened the floodgates to this sort of stupidity?
Also, council houses were NOT "given away", and the chance to actually
own something was very, very popular with Labour voters. I'm so glad to
see you putting that down to unbridled greed.
You seem to be in an underclass all of your own.
--
OUT OF MY WAY you plebs
> mondeo-man - YES<es...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On 23/01/2012 11:20, Feral Underclass wrote:
>>> "Periander"<u...@britwar.couk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass<ne...@here.ever> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
>>>>> against this country.
>>>>
>>>> Such as?
>>>
>>> Turning the police into a weapon would be a good example.
>>
>> A very useful weapon when used against a bunch of thugs - who weren't
>
>> On 23/01/2012 11:20, Feral Underclass wrote:
>>> "Periander"<u...@britwar.couk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass<ne...@here.ever> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
>>>>> against this country.
>>>>
>>>> Such as?
>>>
>>> Turning the police into a weapon would be a good example.
>>
>> even given the option of voting on whether they wanted to strike or not
>> - and were too stupid to demand that right. Still, it would have been a
>> foretaste of what would have come if Commissar Scargill had got his way.
>> No rights for anyone except trade union bosses and their shock troops.
>
> And the wives and children of miners who were also beaten by the
> police?
>
Ah, that was probably just like the troops being called in by Churchill
shooting a few miners. An urban myth, unlike murder by concrete block.
>>
>> As would
>>> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
>>> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
>>
>> Gordon Brown, whilst slipping his good old Scottish chum Sir Fred "The
>> Shred" Goodwin a knighthood for services to "banking" just before we
>> ended up with the greatest corporate loss in British history.
>>
>> To blame someone who had left power twenty years earlier is, once more,
>> part of the mythology of the left. It's a bit like the claim that she
>> trashed British Industry, when the union movement had already done that
>> for her. THAT IS WHY SHE WAS ELECTED - it was to get rid of a Labour
>> Party whose primary concern was to feed trade union greed because they
>> were scared of losing their funding. As a direct result of those trade
>> union excesses and lack of democracy she was given a mandate for reform
>> - which she took. Has all that been rescinded in the last thirteen years
>> of Labour mis-rule? But look at what HAS happened to the Labour Party
>> since - the imposition of the biggest lame duck as their leader since
>> the days of the unelectable Michael Foot and the Welsh windbag Neil
>> Kinnock - BY THE TRADE UNION MOVEMENT and against the wishes of the
>> Parliamentary Labour Party. Stand aside democracy, the fascists of the
>> left are ready to march again.
>
> Some things take time for their effects to be felt. The lack of social
> housing after Thacher gave away all the council houses didn't really
> bite for decades, but when it did it fueled everything from greedy
> landlords milking the benefits system to greedy bankers lending money
> to people they knew had no hope of ever paying it back.
And yet we can read on a daily basis about wicked bankers refusing to
lend money to unworthy businesses and individuals. Which way do you want
it? Should we go back to Gordon's highlights as Chancellor where he
opened the floodgates to this sort of stupidity?
Also, council houses were NOT "given away", and the chance to actually
own something was very, very popular with Labour voters. I'm so glad to
see you putting that down to unbridled greed.
You seem to be in an underclass all of your own.
--
OUT OF MY WAY you plebs
The Todal
Jan 24, 2012, 7:09:48 AM1/24/12
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news:1kecilg.b80j7q19bkqyoN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
At times usenet brings out the very worst in people. I wouldn't want to be
remembered for some of the spiteful things I have said about various people
in the past. In fact I'd be happy to apologise to anybody now, before I'm
diagnosed with whatever is coming to me....!
> Mr. Benn <%%@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Just done a groups search from Jan1st to today.. I can't find anything
>> posted by Ret. that relates to the information you are suggesting.
>
> Then I suggest that your ability to use Google is lacking. Or perhaps
> your earliest cut off date. I found the message in question relatively
> easily. It confirms my opinion that Kevin Lunn is a cunt.
Having now found the post in question I can see why you dislike him so much.
>
>> Just done a groups search from Jan1st to today.. I can't find anything
>> posted by Ret. that relates to the information you are suggesting.
>
> Then I suggest that your ability to use Google is lacking. Or perhaps
> your earliest cut off date. I found the message in question relatively
> easily. It confirms my opinion that Kevin Lunn is a cunt.
At times usenet brings out the very worst in people. I wouldn't want to be
remembered for some of the spiteful things I have said about various people
in the past. In fact I'd be happy to apologise to anybody now, before I'm
diagnosed with whatever is coming to me....!
Periander
Jan 24, 2012, 7:48:46 AM1/24/12
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On 23-Jan-2012, "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
> I was listening to LBC Radio on Saturday. There is a morning slot run by
> Ken Livingstone and David Mellor. Mellor boasted that he introduced the
> CPS
> as a way of ensuring that prosecution decisions were truly impartial and
> objective and fair etc.
The only real criteria nowadays other than for political offences that are
always prosecuted is "cost" - that is, how much wil it cost the CPS to put a
case before the court, pathetic.
--
All the best,
Periander
Ian
Jan 24, 2012, 7:49:52 AM1/24/12
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"®i©ardo" <he...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Periander
Jan 24, 2012, 7:54:33 AM1/24/12
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On 23-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass <ne...@here.ever> wrote:
> >> Turning the police into a weapon would be a good example. As would
> >> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
> >> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
> >
> >Oh dear, you're not very good at this are you? It was Mrs T that
> >introduced
> >the CPS as a means of restricting the power of an independent police
> >force
> >and forgive me for pointing out the obvious but it was that prick brown
> >that
> >de-regulated the banking industry and encouraged them to lend utterly
> >irresponsibly - although to be fair he a least put his mouth where our
> >money
> >was and increased government debt to a level that we'll be lucky if our
> >children aren't still paying for it on their deathbeds (Mrs T left no
> >national debit)
> >
> >Do you have any real points?
>
> Wikipedo says Brown was only a junior opposition MP in 1986, so it
> seems a bit unfair to blame him.
make the changes for you later, using wiki as a souce is usually counted as
a fail but I'm in a generous mood today.
I'll try to keep the words short as I know you're a bit thick, Mrs T - no
national debt, buoyant economy and public services spending wisely, The two
Mr "Bs" - greatest national debt ever, failed economy and public sector
spending being used to finance PFI projects to the detriment of the services
they are suppose to be providing. Two different governments you see.
Periander
Jan 24, 2012, 7:56:08 AM1/24/12
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On 24-Jan-2012, "Ian" <i...@henden.co.uk> wrote:
> > But he WAS running things when it all went to rat-shit as a direct
> > result
> > of his tinkering.
> >
> I rather suspect Bliar left him a poisoned chalice......
Message has been deleted
pensive hamster
Jan 24, 2012, 8:53:11 AM1/24/12
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On Jan 24, 12:54 pm, "Periander" <u...@britwar.couk> wrote:
[...]
during Mrs T's time?
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_debt
The top graph shows national debt (in absolute terms) increasing from
1979, though admittedly not as rapidly as in the two Mr "Bs" time.
'public services spending wisely' ? Maybe, but:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100073858/commentators-blame-the-slowdown-on-spending-cuts-what-spending-cuts/
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3gzjetw
'Contrary to almost universal belief, public spending rose by 12 per
cent under Margaret Thatcher ....
'I am reminded, in some ways, of the 1980s. Government spending
expanded continuously during Margaret Thatcher's years in office, with
especially large increases in health and welfare (both up by 32 per
cent between 1979 and 1990) . But that's not how it is remembered.
Like therapists triggering a false childhood memory, our commentators
have succeeded in convincing us that the Eighties were a period of
vicious "Tory cuts".'
'buoyant economy'? Black Wednesday? There appeared to be considerable
economic growth during Mrs T's time, but arguably that was largely
based on growth in the financial services sector, which was not real
growth, but just increased turnover financed by increased borrowing
(or leveraging). Manufacturing declined during that time. The two Mr
"Bs" continued and accelerated that process, without realising it was
built on sand, but it started during Mrs T's time.
I agree about PFI projects though, that's effectively just dodgy off-
balance sheet accounting, attempting to hide public sector spending,
and an expensive way of doing it.
[...]
>
> I'll try to keep the words short as I know you're a bit thick, Mrs T - no
> national debt, buoyant economy and public services spending wisely, The two
> Mr "Bs" - greatest national debt ever, failed economy and public sector
> spending being used to finance PFI projects to the detriment of the services
> they are suppose to be providing. Two different governments you see.
>
Do you have a source for your claim that there was no national debt
> I'll try to keep the words short as I know you're a bit thick, Mrs T - no
> national debt, buoyant economy and public services spending wisely, The two
> Mr "Bs" - greatest national debt ever, failed economy and public sector
> spending being used to finance PFI projects to the detriment of the services
> they are suppose to be providing. Two different governments you see.
>
during Mrs T's time?
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_debt
The top graph shows national debt (in absolute terms) increasing from
1979, though admittedly not as rapidly as in the two Mr "Bs" time.
'public services spending wisely' ? Maybe, but:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100073858/commentators-blame-the-slowdown-on-spending-cuts-what-spending-cuts/
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3gzjetw
'Contrary to almost universal belief, public spending rose by 12 per
cent under Margaret Thatcher ....
'I am reminded, in some ways, of the 1980s. Government spending
expanded continuously during Margaret Thatcher's years in office, with
especially large increases in health and welfare (both up by 32 per
cent between 1979 and 1990) . But that's not how it is remembered.
Like therapists triggering a false childhood memory, our commentators
have succeeded in convincing us that the Eighties were a period of
vicious "Tory cuts".'
'buoyant economy'? Black Wednesday? There appeared to be considerable
economic growth during Mrs T's time, but arguably that was largely
based on growth in the financial services sector, which was not real
growth, but just increased turnover financed by increased borrowing
(or leveraging). Manufacturing declined during that time. The two Mr
"Bs" continued and accelerated that process, without realising it was
built on sand, but it started during Mrs T's time.
I agree about PFI projects though, that's effectively just dodgy off-
balance sheet accounting, attempting to hide public sector spending,
and an expensive way of doing it.
Ophelia
Jan 24, 2012, 9:36:12 AM1/24/12
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"The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
news:9o7lcc...@mid.individual.net...
> Having now found the post in question I can see why you dislike him so
> much.
>
> At times usenet brings out the very worst in people. I wouldn't want to
> be remembered for some of the spiteful things I have said about various
> people in the past. In fact I'd be happy to apologise to anybody now,
> before I'm diagnosed with whatever is coming to me....!
you in the other place about someone to whom my husband had to send a Cease
and Desist notice? I suppose such people vent their foul and disgusting
spleen thinking they are safe. Thankfully, that is no long true.
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Ophelia
Jan 24, 2012, 9:37:29 AM1/24/12
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"David D S" <inv...@invalid.invaid> wrote in message
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> Absolutely well said! If people are still angry at Kev, then, given
> his situation, I would have thought the principle of "if you can't say
> anything nice, say nothing" would have been the better strategy. Each
> to his own, however.
Indeed and if kev stopped treating another poster so dreadfully, that might
be a much easier thing to do.
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Bod
Jan 24, 2012, 9:41:01 AM1/24/12
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especially as Kev's been dealt a horrible blow.
I doubt that Steve will though.
--
Bod
Mr. Benn
Jan 24, 2012, 9:49:52 AM1/24/12
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On 23/01/2012 13:04, Cynic wrote:
Get real FFS
Why is it you are not able to question that he is a stalker ???
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:23:56 -0000, "Ian"<i...@henden.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have not always agreed with "Ret".
>
>> But he has never (AFAIK) used offensive terminology on this newsgroup; he
>> has alway stated his own opinion (whether correct or not) in a perfectly
>> acceptavble manner.
>
>
>> I have not always agreed with "Ret".
>
>> But he has never (AFAIK) used offensive terminology on this newsgroup; he
>> has alway stated his own opinion (whether correct or not) in a perfectly
>> acceptavble manner.
>
>> I do hope his absence is only temporary - and I deplore the comments made by
>> certain "contributors".
>
>> certain "contributors".
>
> I second those views. I have disagreed with almost all of Kev's views
> and opinions over the years, some more than others. But as you say he
> has almost always presented his opinions in a perfectly polite manner
> and he engages in honest debate. His intentions are good even if I
> believe many are misguided - and I am quite certain that he is a far
> better husband and father than the majority of men in the UK.
HONEST ???
> and opinions over the years, some more than others. But as you say he
> has almost always presented his opinions in a perfectly polite manner
> and he engages in honest debate. His intentions are good even if I
> believe many are misguided - and I am quite certain that he is a far
> better husband and father than the majority of men in the UK.
Get real FFS
Why is it you are not able to question that he is a stalker ???
Bod
Jan 24, 2012, 10:00:01 AM1/24/12
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initiated it by saying he knew someone at the Chesire police station
that Kev operated from and accused Kev of being a desk sargeant.
So Steve was prying on Kev's history and publicising it.
I believe this was one of the reasons that Kev decided to delve into
Steve. I am not condoning what Kev did, just pointing this out.
Steve Firth has a history of aggravating posters on many a
newsgroup, Google reveals that some even hate him.
--
Bod
Mr. Benn
Jan 24, 2012, 10:27:22 AM1/24/12
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On 24/01/2012 15:00, Bod wrote:
>
> >
> >
> It is achicken and egg situation. If I recall correctly, Steve Firth
> initiated it by saying he knew someone at the Chesire police station
> that Kev operated from and accused Kev of being a desk sargeant.
> So Steve was prying on Kev's history and publicising it.
> I believe this was one of the reasons that Kev decided to delve into
> Steve. I am not condoning what Kev did, just pointing this out.
> Steve Firth has a history of aggravating posters on many a newsgroup,
> Google reveals that some even hate him.
>
>
Really
>
> >
> >
> It is achicken and egg situation. If I recall correctly, Steve Firth
> initiated it by saying he knew someone at the Chesire police station
> that Kev operated from and accused Kev of being a desk sargeant.
> So Steve was prying on Kev's history and publicising it.
> I believe this was one of the reasons that Kev decided to delve into
> Steve. I am not condoning what Kev did, just pointing this out.
> Steve Firth has a history of aggravating posters on many a newsgroup,
> Google reveals that some even hate him.
>
>
Yet you still won't publicly say that Kevin Lunn "is" a stalker.
Kevin Lunn is a Spammer and stalker who cannot admit he is in the wrong.
You are a serial spammer and troll.
I wonder why you have that tag !!
Bod
Jan 24, 2012, 10:32:42 AM1/24/12
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<1371877466348864277.276065%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>
--
Bod
Mr. Benn
Jan 24, 2012, 10:35:01 AM1/24/12
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But time after time you and Lunn keep making attacks on him.And you
wonder why he reacts the way he does.
You and Lunn blamed him for being another poster, without any evidence
You and Lunn just cannot admit you are wrong.
Why do you YOU keep defending Lunn ??
Why do you keep Attacking Steve Firth ??
Mr. Benn
Jan 24, 2012, 10:55:16 AM1/24/12
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On 24/01/2012 15:32, Bod wrote:
>
>
> <1371877466348864277.276065%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>
>
Are you really unable to tell how to troll ??
Yet again you seem to think you are being clever
The header is part of the cut and paste you fucking moron
>
>
> <1371877466348864277.276065%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>
>
Are you really unable to tell how to troll ??
Yet again you seem to think you are being clever
The header is part of the cut and paste you fucking moron
Mr. Benn
Jan 24, 2012, 10:57:52 AM1/24/12
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On 24/01/2012 15:00, Bod wrote:
> It is achicken and egg situation. If I recall correctly, Steve Firth
> initiated it by saying he knew someone at the Chesire police station
> that Kev operated from and accused Kev of being a desk sargeant.
> So Steve was prying on Kev's history and publicising it.
> I believe this was one of the reasons that Kev decided to delve into
> Steve. I am not condoning what Kev did, just pointing this out.
> Steve Firth has a history of aggravating posters on many a newsgroup,
> Google reveals that some even hate him.
>
>
You recall wrong
> initiated it by saying he knew someone at the Chesire police station
> that Kev operated from and accused Kev of being a desk sargeant.
> So Steve was prying on Kev's history and publicising it.
> I believe this was one of the reasons that Kev decided to delve into
> Steve. I am not condoning what Kev did, just pointing this out.
> Steve Firth has a history of aggravating posters on many a newsgroup,
> Google reveals that some even hate him.
>
>
Mr. Benn
Jan 24, 2012, 10:59:52 AM1/24/12
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On 24/01/2012 14:37, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
Steve Firth
Jan 24, 2012, 11:04:47 AM1/24/12
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Bod <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24/01/2012 14:49, Mr. Benn wrote:
>> On 23/01/2012 13:04, Cynic wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:23:56 -0000, "Ian"<i...@henden.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have not always agreed with "Ret".
>>>
>>>> But he has never (AFAIK) used offensive terminology on this
>>>> newsgroup; he
>>>> has alway stated his own opinion (whether correct or not) in a perfectly
>>>> acceptavble manner.
>>>
>>>> I do hope his absence is only temporary - and I deplore the comments
>>>> made by
>>>> certain "contributors".
>>>
>>> I second those views. I have disagreed with almost all of Kev's views
>>> and opinions over the years, some more than others. But as you say he
>>> has almost always presented his opinions in a perfectly polite manner
>>> and he engages in honest debate. His intentions are good even if I
>>> believe many are misguided - and I am quite certain that he is a far
>>> better husband and father than the majority of men in the UK.
>>
>>
>> HONEST ???
>>
>> Get real FFS
>>
>> Why is it you are not able to question that he is a stalker ???
>>
>>
> It is achicken and egg situation. If I recall correctly, Steve Firth
> initiated it by saying he knew someone at the Chesire police station that
> Kev operated from and accused Kev of being a desk sargeant.
That is a complete and utter lie. Off you go, produce the evidence that you
> On 24/01/2012 14:49, Mr. Benn wrote:
>> On 23/01/2012 13:04, Cynic wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:23:56 -0000, "Ian"<i...@henden.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have not always agreed with "Ret".
>>>
>>>> But he has never (AFAIK) used offensive terminology on this
>>>> newsgroup; he
>>>> has alway stated his own opinion (whether correct or not) in a perfectly
>>>> acceptavble manner.
>>>
>>>> I do hope his absence is only temporary - and I deplore the comments
>>>> made by
>>>> certain "contributors".
>>>
>>> I second those views. I have disagreed with almost all of Kev's views
>>> and opinions over the years, some more than others. But as you say he
>>> has almost always presented his opinions in a perfectly polite manner
>>> and he engages in honest debate. His intentions are good even if I
>>> believe many are misguided - and I am quite certain that he is a far
>>> better husband and father than the majority of men in the UK.
>>
>>
>> HONEST ???
>>
>> Get real FFS
>>
>> Why is it you are not able to question that he is a stalker ???
>>
>>
> It is achicken and egg situation. If I recall correctly, Steve Firth
> initiated it by saying he knew someone at the Chesire police station that
> Kev operated from and accused Kev of being a desk sargeant.
claim supports your case.
> So Steve was prying on Kev's history and publicising it.
> I believe this was one of the reasons that Kev decided to delve into
> Steve. I am not condoning what Kev did, just pointing this out.
> Steve Firth has a history of aggravating posters on many a newsgroup,
> Google reveals that some even hate him.
Steve Firth
Jan 24, 2012, 11:04:48 AM1/24/12
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bitter personal attack then you are right. How odd that a few hours ago you
were claiming that no such event had happened. Do you imagine that telling
enormous lies helps the situation?
Steve Firth
Jan 24, 2012, 11:04:49 AM1/24/12
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David D S <inv...@invalid.invaid> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:32:36 -0000, "Steve Walker" <spam...@beeb.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cynic" <cyni...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:4f1d5444.773253343@localhost...
>>> great deal of pragmatism, and has not become bitter or self-pitying
>>> and nor is he complaining about the unfairness of it all. Kev is also
>>> remaining sensible and true to his own principles despite such a
>>> life-changing event. That attitude in the face of such adversedy
>>> deserves *everyone's* respect. Kev and his family certainly have my
>>> sincere sympathy.
>>>
>>> Gloating about his condition is vile and obnoxious. I cannot
>>> understand how anyone could have such a reaction, and can only assume
>>> that they are making unthinking comments for the shock value, or in
>>> the mistaken belief that it makes them appear "hard".
>>
>> Well said.
series of bitter personal attacks.
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:32:36 -0000, "Steve Walker" <spam...@beeb.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cynic" <cyni...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:4f1d5444.773253343@localhost...
>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:23:56 -0000, "Ian" <i...@henden.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have not always agreed with "Ret".
>>>
>>>> But he has never (AFAIK) used offensive terminology on this newsgroup; he
>>>> has alway stated his own opinion (whether correct or not) in a perfectly
>>>> acceptavble manner.
>>>
>>>> I do hope his absence is only temporary - and I deplore the comments made
>>>> by
>>>> certain "contributors".
>>>
>>> I second those views. I have disagreed with almost all of Kev's views
>>> and opinions over the years, some more than others. But as you say he
>>> has almost always presented his opinions in a perfectly polite manner
>>> and he engages in honest debate. His intentions are good even if I
>>> believe many are misguided - and I am quite certain that he is a far
>>> better husband and father than the majority of men in the UK.
>>>
>>> I also note that he is dealing with his dreadful situation with a
>>>
>>>> I have not always agreed with "Ret".
>>>
>>>> But he has never (AFAIK) used offensive terminology on this newsgroup; he
>>>> has alway stated his own opinion (whether correct or not) in a perfectly
>>>> acceptavble manner.
>>>
>>>> I do hope his absence is only temporary - and I deplore the comments made
>>>> by
>>>> certain "contributors".
>>>
>>> I second those views. I have disagreed with almost all of Kev's views
>>> and opinions over the years, some more than others. But as you say he
>>> has almost always presented his opinions in a perfectly polite manner
>>> and he engages in honest debate. His intentions are good even if I
>>> believe many are misguided - and I am quite certain that he is a far
>>> better husband and father than the majority of men in the UK.
>>>
>>> great deal of pragmatism, and has not become bitter or self-pitying
>>> and nor is he complaining about the unfairness of it all. Kev is also
>>> remaining sensible and true to his own principles despite such a
>>> life-changing event. That attitude in the face of such adversedy
>>> deserves *everyone's* respect. Kev and his family certainly have my
>>> sincere sympathy.
>>>
>>> Gloating about his condition is vile and obnoxious. I cannot
>>> understand how anyone could have such a reaction, and can only assume
>>> that they are making unthinking comments for the shock value, or in
>>> the mistaken belief that it makes them appear "hard".
>>
>> Well said.
>
> Absolutely well said! If people are still angry at Kev, then, given
> his situation, I would have thought the principle of "if you can't say
> anything nice, say nothing" would have been the better strategy. Each
> to his own, however.
A policy I would follow but he has used his illness as a reason to launch a
> Absolutely well said! If people are still angry at Kev, then, given
> his situation, I would have thought the principle of "if you can't say
> anything nice, say nothing" would have been the better strategy. Each
> to his own, however.
series of bitter personal attacks.
Steve Firth
Jan 24, 2012, 11:04:49 AM1/24/12
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"Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
[snip]
exception to my use of the term "fuckwit". I offered the opinion that he
probably goes apoplectic about Scunthorpe. Since then he's tried to enforce
his will on my choice of language. I won't obey his rules so he resorts to
increasingly desperate measures to silence me.
I suspect he genuinely believes the guff he posts. He doesn't, for example,
know the difference between share capital, turnover, profit, share dividend
and assets. He confuses all of them and then makes silly statements.
He's also convinced himself that my business must be "dodgy" so any line
fed to him by someone who echoes that sentiment *must* be true. He's
already stated that he didn't "research" the information that he posted, he
received it by email and repeated every word believing it to be true. Which
was frankly silly on his part.
[snip]
> Dear God!!!! Why is he doing that? What the hell is he getting out of it?
It's a misplaced sense of "revenge" as far as I can see. Years ago he took
exception to my use of the term "fuckwit". I offered the opinion that he
probably goes apoplectic about Scunthorpe. Since then he's tried to enforce
his will on my choice of language. I won't obey his rules so he resorts to
increasingly desperate measures to silence me.
I suspect he genuinely believes the guff he posts. He doesn't, for example,
know the difference between share capital, turnover, profit, share dividend
and assets. He confuses all of them and then makes silly statements.
He's also convinced himself that my business must be "dodgy" so any line
fed to him by someone who echoes that sentiment *must* be true. He's
already stated that he didn't "research" the information that he posted, he
received it by email and repeated every word believing it to be true. Which
was frankly silly on his part.
Steve Firth
Jan 24, 2012, 11:04:50 AM1/24/12
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> news:1965546614349055672.362332%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Steve Walker" <spam...@beeb.net> wrote:
>> "Steve Walker" <spam...@beeb.net> wrote:
>>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:264560004349025847.023674%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:192989520349019416.807545%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Usenet in which he publicised personal
>>>>>> information about me and my wife, presumably thinking that his >>>>> terminal
>>>>>> condition puts him beyond legal redress. He remains as contemptible as >>>>> >>> he
>>>>>> was when he started his stalking campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>> I missed that!!! When did he do that??
>>>>
>>>> A couple of weeks ago, apparently. I haven't seen it because I >>> kill-filed
>>>> him ages ago. However the source is credible and the info was apparently >>> > an
>>>> attempt to "prove" that he'd been getting details about the right people
>>>> from companies house.
>>>
>>> I've seen no such post. Neither has anyone else here.
>>
>> Ah yes, "I see no ships".
>>
>>> Is someone trying to provoke you to anger against Kev?
>>
>> Not in this case. Someone correctly informed me that Kevin Lunn was > posting
>> personal information (names and addresses) to Usenet.
>>
>>> Please spend 5 mins in google groups and check for yourself.
>>
>> I found the post in question in less than five minutes. I'm not giving a
>> reference to it
>
> <cough>
>>>>> Usenet in which he publicised personal
>>>>>> information about me and my wife, presumably thinking that his >>>>> terminal
>>>>>> condition puts him beyond legal redress. He remains as contemptible as >>>>> >>> he
>>>>>> was when he started his stalking campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>> I missed that!!! When did he do that??
>>>>
>>>> A couple of weeks ago, apparently. I haven't seen it because I >>> kill-filed
>>>> him ages ago. However the source is credible and the info was apparently >>> > an
>>>> attempt to "prove" that he'd been getting details about the right people
>>>> from companies house.
>>>
>>> I've seen no such post. Neither has anyone else here.
>>
>> Ah yes, "I see no ships".
>>
>>> Is someone trying to provoke you to anger against Kev?
>>
>> Not in this case. Someone correctly informed me that Kevin Lunn was > posting
>> personal information (names and addresses) to Usenet.
>>
>>> Please spend 5 mins in google groups and check for yourself.
>>
>> I found the post in question in less than five minutes. I'm not giving a
>> reference to it
>
That's an impressively dishonest snip there Benn. Any reason why you
omitted the explanation that the post does contain personal information?
Other than you being a fuckwit with an axe to grind, of course.
Ian
Jan 24, 2012, 11:05:04 AM1/24/12
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"Periander" <u...@britwar.couk> wrote in message
news:9o7o27...@mid.individual.net...
>
> On 24-Jan-2012, "Ian" <i...@henden.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > But he WAS running things when it all went to rat-shit as a direct
>> > result
>> > of his tinkering.
>> >
>> I rather suspect Bliar left him a poisoned chalice......
>
> Remind us please, who was chancellor under Blair?
No argument about that i it was indeed Prudence.
> On 24-Jan-2012, "Ian" <i...@henden.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > But he WAS running things when it all went to rat-shit as a direct
>> > result
>> > of his tinkering.
>> >
>> I rather suspect Bliar left him a poisoned chalice......
>
> Remind us please, who was chancellor under Blair?
But Bliar stayed as long as he could before jumping ship, didn't he?
All as bad as each other.
Mr. Benn
Jan 24, 2012, 11:11:40 AM1/24/12
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"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1768781475349111969.815603%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
uk.legal at the moment.
Strange that.
Mr. Benn
Jan 24, 2012, 11:17:28 AM1/24/12
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On 24/01/2012 16:04, Steve Firth wrote:
onal information?
>
> Other than you being a fuckwit with an axe to grind, of course.
No No No
onal information?
>
> Other than you being a fuckwit with an axe to grind, of course.
I am defending you or at least trying to. :)
I pasted a incomplete part to get a response, not from you but loon or
his moronic sidekick ronald.
Mr. Benn
Jan 24, 2012, 11:20:17 AM1/24/12
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On 24/01/2012 16:04, Steve Firth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> He stopped a while back Ophelia. Steve should let sleeping dogs lie,
>> especially as Kev's been dealt a horrible blow.
>> I doubt that Steve will though.
>
> If you define "a while back" as three weeks ago after launching yet another
> bitter personal attack then you are right. How odd that a few hours ago you
> were claiming that no such event had happened. Do you imagine that telling
> enormous lies helps the situation?
Pretty amazing how Ronald can find post that backs up his moronic
>> especially as Kev's been dealt a horrible blow.
>> I doubt that Steve will though.
>
> If you define "a while back" as three weeks ago after launching yet another
> bitter personal attack then you are right. How odd that a few hours ago you
> were claiming that no such event had happened. Do you imagine that telling
> enormous lies helps the situation?
trolling ,Yet fails to find a post that anybody with half a brain could
find.
Cynic
Jan 24, 2012, 11:22:52 AM1/24/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:48:46 GMT, "Periander" <u...@britwar.couk>
wrote:
>> I was listening to LBC Radio on Saturday. There is a morning slot run by
>> Ken Livingstone and David Mellor. Mellor boasted that he introduced the
>> CPS
>> as a way of ensuring that prosecution decisions were truly impartial and
>> objective and fair etc.
>The only real criteria nowadays other than for political offences that are
>always prosecuted is "cost" - that is, how much wil it cost the CPS to put a
>case before the court, pathetic.
Cost surely *ought to* play a significant part in the decision except
for the most serious of crimes? I am certain that most people would
balk at having to pay significantly more tax in order to ensure that
every litterbug is brought to justice, and everyone who mutters the
word "nigger" under his breath is hauled before a court and made to
explain himself.
--
Cynic
wrote:
>> I was listening to LBC Radio on Saturday. There is a morning slot run by
>> Ken Livingstone and David Mellor. Mellor boasted that he introduced the
>> CPS
>> as a way of ensuring that prosecution decisions were truly impartial and
>> objective and fair etc.
>The only real criteria nowadays other than for political offences that are
>always prosecuted is "cost" - that is, how much wil it cost the CPS to put a
>case before the court, pathetic.
Cost surely *ought to* play a significant part in the decision except
for the most serious of crimes? I am certain that most people would
balk at having to pay significantly more tax in order to ensure that
every litterbug is brought to justice, and everyone who mutters the
word "nigger" under his breath is hauled before a court and made to
explain himself.
--
Cynic
Mr. Benn
Jan 24, 2012, 11:24:15 AM1/24/12
to
On 24/01/2012 16:11, Mr. Benn wrote:
?
>>
>> Other than you being a fuckwit with an axe to grind, of course.
>
> Which Mr. Benn are you talking about? There appear to be two of us on
> uk.legal at the moment.
>
> Strange that.
Then fuck off back to cycling
?
>>
>> Other than you being a fuckwit with an axe to grind, of course.
>
> Which Mr. Benn are you talking about? There appear to be two of us on
> uk.legal at the moment.
>
> Strange that.
Ophelia
Jan 24, 2012, 12:29:38 PM1/24/12
to
news:792525404349112087.850173%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
> I suspect he genuinely believes the guff he posts. He doesn't, for
> example,
> know the difference between share capital, turnover, profit, share
> dividend
> and assets. He confuses all of them and then makes silly statements.
>
> He's also convinced himself that my business must be "dodgy" so any line
> fed to him by someone who echoes that sentiment *must* be true. He's
> already stated that he didn't "research" the information that he posted,
> he
> received it by email and repeated every word believing it to be true.
> Which
> was frankly silly on his part.
>
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
> "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
> [snip]
>> Dear God!!!! Why is he doing that? What the hell is he getting out of
>> it?
>
> It's a misplaced sense of "revenge" as far as I can see. Years ago he took
> exception to my use of the term "fuckwit". I offered the opinion that he
> probably goes apoplectic about Scunthorpe. Since then he's tried to
> enforce
> his will on my choice of language. I won't obey his rules so he resorts to
> increasingly desperate measures to silence me.
I remember all that! :((( Oh:( So this is stil carrying on :(
> [snip]
>> Dear God!!!! Why is he doing that? What the hell is he getting out of
>> it?
>
> It's a misplaced sense of "revenge" as far as I can see. Years ago he took
> exception to my use of the term "fuckwit". I offered the opinion that he
> probably goes apoplectic about Scunthorpe. Since then he's tried to
> enforce
> his will on my choice of language. I won't obey his rules so he resorts to
> increasingly desperate measures to silence me.
> I suspect he genuinely believes the guff he posts. He doesn't, for
> example,
> know the difference between share capital, turnover, profit, share
> dividend
> and assets. He confuses all of them and then makes silly statements.
>
> He's also convinced himself that my business must be "dodgy" so any line
> fed to him by someone who echoes that sentiment *must* be true. He's
> already stated that he didn't "research" the information that he posted,
> he
> received it by email and repeated every word believing it to be true.
> Which
> was frankly silly on his part.
>
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Bod
Jan 24, 2012, 1:28:16 PM1/24/12
to
--
Bod
Ophelia
Jan 24, 2012, 1:44:12 PM1/24/12
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"steve robinson" <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote in message
news:xn0htd1q8...@reader80.eternal-september.org...
> Any one heard from him recently
Ok, just had mail telling me he has been in hospital.
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Bod
Jan 24, 2012, 1:49:51 PM1/24/12
to
On 24/01/2012 18:44, Ophelia wrote:
>
> "steve robinson" <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:xn0htd1q8...@reader80.eternal-september.org...
>> Any one heard from him recently
>
>
> Ok, just had mail telling me he has been in hospital.
>
>
Yes, 9 days of hell, by the sound of it.
>
> "steve robinson" <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:xn0htd1q8...@reader80.eternal-september.org...
>> Any one heard from him recently
>
>
> Ok, just had mail telling me he has been in hospital.
>
>
--
Bod
®i©ardo
Jan 24, 2012, 2:13:10 PM1/24/12
to
On 24/01/2012 12:49, Ian wrote:
> "®i©ardo"<he...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:366dnciWufSrC4PS...@giganews.com...
>> On 23/01/2012 21:30, Feral Underclass wrote:
>>> "Periander"<u...@britwar.couk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass<ne...@here.ever> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
>>>>>>> against this country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Such as?
>>>>>
>>>>> Turning the police into a weapon would be a good example. As would
>>>>> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
>>>>> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
>>>>
>>>> Oh dear, you're not very good at this are you? It was Mrs T that
>>>> introduced
>>>> the CPS as a means of restricting the power of an independent police
>>>> force
>>>> and forgive me for pointing out the obvious but it was that prick brown
>>>> that
>>>> de-regulated the banking industry and encouraged them to lend utterly
>>>> irresponsibly - although to be fair he a least put his mouth where our
>>>> money
>>>> was and increased government debt to a level that we'll be lucky if our
>>>> children aren't still paying for it on their deathbeds (Mrs T left no
>>>> national debit)
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any real points?
>>>
>>> Wikipedo says Brown was only a junior opposition MP in 1986, so it
>>> seems a bit unfair to blame him.
--
Moving things in still pictures
> "®i©ardo"<he...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:366dnciWufSrC4PS...@giganews.com...
>> On 23/01/2012 21:30, Feral Underclass wrote:
>>> "Periander"<u...@britwar.couk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23-Jan-2012, Feral Underclass<ne...@here.ever> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> So is Thatcher (hopefully). That doesn't excuse any of her crimes
>>>>>>> against this country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Such as?
>>>>>
>>>>> Turning the police into a weapon would be a good example. As would
>>>>> giving the banks free reign to do whatever they like. Both things that
>>>>> continue to have repercussions for this country to this day.
>>>>
>>>> Oh dear, you're not very good at this are you? It was Mrs T that
>>>> introduced
>>>> the CPS as a means of restricting the power of an independent police
>>>> force
>>>> and forgive me for pointing out the obvious but it was that prick brown
>>>> that
>>>> de-regulated the banking industry and encouraged them to lend utterly
>>>> irresponsibly - although to be fair he a least put his mouth where our
>>>> money
>>>> was and increased government debt to a level that we'll be lucky if our
>>>> children aren't still paying for it on their deathbeds (Mrs T left no
>>>> national debit)
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any real points?
>>>
>>> Wikipedo says Brown was only a junior opposition MP in 1986, so it
>>> seems a bit unfair to blame him.
>>
>> But he WAS running things when it all went to rat-shit as a direct result
>> of his tinkering.
>>
> I rather suspect Bliar left him a poisoned chalice......
>
>
That was BEFORE Bliar abdicated. Gordie was the Chancellor, if you remember.
>> But he WAS running things when it all went to rat-shit as a direct result
>> of his tinkering.
>>
> I rather suspect Bliar left him a poisoned chalice......
>
>
--
Moving things in still pictures
Steve Firth
Jan 24, 2012, 4:05:21 PM1/24/12
to
Bod <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Hmm! Message source says:
>
>
> <1371877466348864277.276065%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>
No it doesn't. That's another lie from you Ronald.
> Hmm! Message source says:
>
>
> <1371877466348864277.276065%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>
The Message-ID: <jfmiku$kui$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
Which is the "source" is not as you allege.
The References: line contains that detail, as indeed does this post:
From: Bod <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.legal
Subject: Re: Ret-urning
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:32:42 +0000
Lines: 37
Message-ID: <9o818v...@mid.individual.net>
References: [snip] <1371877466348864277.276065%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>
[snip]
So, are you really as fucking stupid as your comment makes you look? Are
you there as ever with your giant shit-stirring stick? Or is it possible
that everyone posting in this thread is me?
Ah yes, it would be options 1 & 2. You're fucking stupid and you're off
trolling, again. And when it all breaks down for you, you'll be back to
trying to drown out sensible comment in newsgroups with your moronic
"cascade" posts which seem to be all that amuses your shrivelled brain.
Bod
Jan 24, 2012, 5:03:02 PM1/24/12
to
On 24/01/12 21:05, Steve Firth wrote:
> Bod<bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hmm! Message source says:
>>
>>
>> <1371877466348864277.276065%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>
>
> No it doesn't. That's another lie from you Ronald.
>
> The Message-ID:<jfmiku$kui$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
>
> Which is the "source" is not as you allege.
>
> The References: line contains that detail, as indeed does this post:
>
> From: Bod<bodr...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Newsgroups: uk.legal
> Subject: Re: Ret-urning
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:32:42 +0000
> Lines: 37
> Message-ID:<9o818v...@mid.individual.net>
> References: [snip]<1371877466348864277.276065%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>
>
> [snip]
>
> So, are you really as fucking stupid as your comment makes you look? Are
> you there as ever with your giant shit-stirring stick? Or is it possible
> that everyone posting in this thread is me?
>
> Ah yes, it would be options 1& 2. You're fucking stupid and you're off
> Bod<bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hmm! Message source says:
>>
>>
>> <1371877466348864277.276065%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>
>
> No it doesn't. That's another lie from you Ronald.
>
> The Message-ID:<jfmiku$kui$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
>
> Which is the "source" is not as you allege.
>
> The References: line contains that detail, as indeed does this post:
>
> From: Bod<bodr...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Newsgroups: uk.legal
> Subject: Re: Ret-urning
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:32:42 +0000
> Lines: 37
> Message-ID:<9o818v...@mid.individual.net>
> References: [snip]<1371877466348864277.276065%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>
>
> [snip]
>
> So, are you really as fucking stupid as your comment makes you look? Are
> you there as ever with your giant shit-stirring stick? Or is it possible
> that everyone posting in this thread is me?
>
> trolling, again. And when it all breaks down for you, you'll be back to
> trying to drown out sensible comment in newsgroups with your moronic
> "cascade" posts which seem to be all that amuses your shrivelled brain.
>
>
Lol.
> trying to drown out sensible comment in newsgroups with your moronic
> "cascade" posts which seem to be all that amuses your shrivelled brain.
>
>
Ret.
Jan 25, 2012, 6:39:40 AM1/25/12
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On 23/01/2012 16:33, The Todal wrote:
> Steve Firth wrote:
> uk.legal anyway.
>
>
I have never ever posted on usenet anything that included information
relating to Firth's address or any member of his family. If anyone is
claiming to the contrary then they are lying.
I have now killfiled Firth and so he and I have no further reason to
make any posts about each other. I am making a commitment now that I
will not post anything about Firth in the future, and will not respond
to anything that I read that he has posted if it is included in a
response by someone else. I suspect that it is too much to expect Firth
to respond in kind.
--
Kev
Be who you are and say what you feel because those
who mind don't matter and those who matter don't
mind.
- Dr. Seuss
> Steve Firth wrote:
>>> news:192989520349019416.807545%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Usenet in which he publicised personal
>>>> information about me and my wife, presumably thinking that his
>>>> terminal condition puts him beyond legal redress. He remains as
>>>> contemptible as he was when he started his stalking campaign.
>>>
>>> I missed that!!! When did he do that??
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago, apparently. I haven't seen it because I
>> kill-filed him ages ago. However the source is credible and the info
>> was apparently an attempt to "prove" that he'd been getting details
>> about the right people from companies house.
>
> I don't think any of us have seen the post to which you refer. Not in
>>> Usenet in which he publicised personal
>>>> information about me and my wife, presumably thinking that his
>>>> terminal condition puts him beyond legal redress. He remains as
>>>> contemptible as he was when he started his stalking campaign.
>>>
>>> I missed that!!! When did he do that??
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago, apparently. I haven't seen it because I
>> kill-filed him ages ago. However the source is credible and the info
>> was apparently an attempt to "prove" that he'd been getting details
>> about the right people from companies house.
>
> uk.legal anyway.
>
>
I have never ever posted on usenet anything that included information
relating to Firth's address or any member of his family. If anyone is
claiming to the contrary then they are lying.
I have now killfiled Firth and so he and I have no further reason to
make any posts about each other. I am making a commitment now that I
will not post anything about Firth in the future, and will not respond
to anything that I read that he has posted if it is included in a
response by someone else. I suspect that it is too much to expect Firth
to respond in kind.
--
Kev
Be who you are and say what you feel because those
who mind don't matter and those who matter don't
mind.
- Dr. Seuss
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