ITALIAN EMBASSY AND ITS FAILURE TO ASSIST MARGHERITA CAMININA
Dr Rita Pal
Caminita. He offered in future emails to obtain Independent
Psychiatric reports from Italian Doctors. This never happened. He
promised to visit this lady with me - this never happened.
For four months we continued exchanges of emails - all will be
revealed.
She remains without
a) An independent psychiatric report
b) She has no advice regarding her rights to appeal against a mental
health section should she wish to
c) She has no rights to obtain a legal representative. This has been
denied to her as guardianship and person ownership has been assigned
to Bedforshire Social Services.
d) Her CT scan has no problems. Her mental health assessment has no
problems. She is heard to speak on a phone and ask to live in Italy.
Why is she not allowed to live in any country of her own free will?
EMAIL 1 FROM PROFESSOR ALOJ ( is this a delaying tactic I see before
me ?!)
From: Professor Salvatore M. Aloj <S.A...@mailbox.ulcc.ac.uk>
To: <ri...@pal.softnet.co.uk>
Sent: 27 September 2000 11:59
Subject: Mrs Caminita
Dear Dr Pal,
My apologies for responding so late to your message.
I thank you very much for sharing with me your letter requesting to
visit Mrs Caminita. I am anxious to know the outcome of your
initiative.
Although I have alerted all the relevant people in the Embassy about
Mrs Caminias's predicament, I am not too optimistic that they will
come up with a satisfactory solution. I wish I shall be proven wrong.
If you believe it would be useful I may consider visiting myself Mrs
Caminita when I will be standing again on my feet within a month or
so.
Please do keep in touch and let me know if you are allowed to visit.
Best wishes,
Salvatore Aloj
--
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Professor Salvatore M. Aloj
Scientific Attache', Embassy of Italy
14, Three Kings Yard
LONDON, W1Y 2EH, U.K.
Tel. +44(0)20-73122200
Facsimile: +44(0)20-74954171
WWW: http://www.ambitalia.org.uk/
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Reginald Perrin
Bzzzt.
Conspiracy nutter alert.
This is an automated posting triggered by nutters posting to uk.legal.
uk.legal nutter detector.
David Husband
Pal <rp...@btinternet.com> writes
>Email explaining that Professor Aloj would be quite happy to visit Mrs
>Caminita. He offered in future emails to obtain Independent
>Psychiatric reports from Italian Doctors. This never happened. He
>promised to visit this lady with me - this never happened.
>
>For four months we continued exchanges of emails - all will be
>revealed.
But not in uk.legal because you will piss-off the natives and quite
right too.
Put it on a web site and post brief summaries of the updates with
pointers to the web site.
You need to *increase* your credibility (or that of the "cause" you are
promoting) and you won't do it by posting the whole story here in small
"dollops" complete with e-mails including headers.
A web site is the proper place for all this or you will end up in kill-
files.
BTW, on the Internet, persons who ignore good advice and conventions end
up being described as "clueless" due to an inability to absorb clues
when given.
In extreme cases you will end up becoming a "fuckwit".
See www.fuckwit.tm for a clue.
--
David Husband, Portland, Dorset, United Kingdom
Steve Walker
"David Husband" <da...@uhfonaq.bet.hx> wrote in message
news:c0ul9EAL...@c-i.org.uk...
> In extreme cases you will end up becoming a "fuckwit".
Sadly, I fear Dr Pal has already achieved that level of credibility.
Francesco Errante
http://server2045.virtualave.net/bedfordshire-holocaust/aloj.htm
If, however, you want to roll yourself laughing onto the paviment than visit :
http://www.ambitalia.org.uk/imsobj.htm
Here is the names and contacts of these highly respectable elite ...
MAY GOD SPARE YOU FROM EVER GETTING TO KNOW THEM !!!
Adinolfi Prof. Matteo, MD, Ph.D.
Professor Emeritus
University College London, Galton Laboratory
4 Stephenson Way
LONDON NW1 2HE
Tel: 020-75045050
E-mail: mat...@galton.ucl.ac.uk
Albanese Dr Assunta
Consultant in Paediatric Endocrinology
St Georges Hospital Medical School
5th Floor, Lanesborogh Wing
Blackshaw Road,
LONDON SW17 0QT
Tel/Fax: 020-87250275
Residence: 64 Dundonald Road, Wimbledon,
LONDON SW19 3PH
Tel/Fax: 020-85427509
E-mail: assunta....@hotmail.com
Aloj Prof. Salvatore M.
Chair of Molecular Pathology, University "Federico II", Naples, Italy
(Past President IMSoGB 1997-99)
Scientific Attaché, Ambasciata d' Italia
14 Three Kings Yard
LONDON W1Y 2EH
Tel: 020-73122200, Fax: 020-74954171,
E-mail: S.A...@mailbox.ulcc.ac.uk ,
WWW: http://www.ambitalia.org.uk/
Audisio Dr Riccardo A.
Consultant Surgeon
Whiston Hospital,
Prescot, Merseyside L35 5DR
Honorary Senior Lecturer,
Chair of Surgery, Liverpool University
Tel.: 0151-4301607, Fax: 0151-4301891
e-mail: raud...@doctors.org.uk
Ballarino Dr Carlo
Ear, Nose and Throat Surgeon
Via Madonna dell'Orto, 8
I-46100 MANTOVA, Italy
Tel/Fax: +39-0376368153
+39(0)3356406250 (mobile)
Belli Dr Anna Maria
Consultant Radiologist
Department of Radiology, St. Georges Hospital
Blackshaw Road,
LONDON SW17 0QT
Tel: 020-87251481, Fax: 020-87252936
Residence: 36 Victoria Drive
LONDON SW19 6BG
Tel/Fax: 020-87890963
Botto Dr. Marina
Consultant & Senior Lecturer, Rheumatology Unit,
(Treasurer IMSoGB, 2000-2001)
Imperial College School of Medicine, Hammersmith Campus
Du Cane Road
LONDON W12 0NN
Tel: 020-8743 2316
Residence: 020-87481620
E-mail: m.b...@ic.ac.uk
Caparrotta Dr Luigi
Psychotherapist,
Dept. of Psychiatry, Royal Free Hospital Dept. of Psychiatry, 2nd Floor
Pond Street, LONDON, NW3
Residence: 48 Honeyman Close
Brondesbury Park
LONDON, NW6 7AZ
Tel: 020-84513353
Carulli Dr Maria Teresa (Maresa)
Specialist Registrar, Rheumatology & Internal Medicine
Epsom General Hospital,
Dorking Road, Epsom, Surrey
Tel: 01372-735735, bleep 416
Residence: Flat 2, 143 Abbey Road
LONDON NW6 4SZ
Tel: 020-73721896
E-mail: mcar...@orazio.freeserve.co.uk
Catanuto Mr Giuseppe
General Surgery Trainee
Azienda Ospedale Cannizzaro
Via Messina 829,
I-95126 CATANIA, Italy
Tel: +39-0957262225
E-mail: ca...@doctors.org.uk
or: giusepp...@yahoo.it
Cavalli Ms Alessandra
Psychologist
The German School,
Douglas House, Petersham,
RICHMOND, Surrey
Residence: 74 Queen's Gate
LONDON SW7 5JT
Tel: 020-78352055
Cellini Dr Aldo
General Surgery
Via Carducci, 8 (Piazza Roma)
ANCONA, Italy
Tel: 00 39 071 2075058
Cerullo Dr Anthony
General Practice
The Square Medical Practice
The Square, High Street
GODALMING, Surrey GU7 1AZ
Tel: 01483-415141, Fax: 01483-414881
Chiesa Dr. Marco Cesare
Consultant Psychiatrist
The Cassel Hospital
1 Ham Common
RICHMOND Surrey TW10 7JF
Tel: 020-82372902; Fax: 020-83326424
E-mail: ma...@cassel.ftech.co.uk
Crupi Dr. Claudio
Plastic Surgery & Otolaringology
Day Clinic of Rome
Via Mario Fani, 106
I-00135 ROMA
Tel. +39-068014306, Fax: +39-063014273
Di Campo Dr Erasmo
Toftwood Medical Centre
2 Chapel Lane,
Toftwood, Derenham, NR20 1LD
Tel: 01362-691196
Di Ceglie Dr. Domenico, FRCPsych.
Consultant Psychiatrist (Child & Adolescent)
Tavistock Clinic, Adolescent Department
120 Belsize Lane,
LONDON NW3 5BA
Tel: 020-74357111; Fax: 020-74473721
Residence: 48 Pickwick Road, Dulwich Village
LONDON SE21 7JW
Tel.: 020-77335811
Di Ceglie Dr. Giovanna
Psychoanalyst (Private practice)
Residence: 48 Pickwick Road, Dulwich Village
LONDON SE21 7JW
Tel.: 020-77335811
Di Luca Dr Chiara
Geriatric Medicine & Psychiatry
(Council Member IMSoGB, 2000-2001)
St John's and Amyand House
Strafford Rd,
TWICKENHAM, Middlesex TW1 3H2
Tel: 020-87449943; Fax: 020-87449945
Residence: Flat 3, 58 Aberdare Gardens
London NW6 3QD
LONDON NW6 3EA
E-mail: chi...@diluca.freeserve.co.uk
Dina Dr Roberto
18 Queen Anne's Grove, Ealing
LONDON W5 3XR
Fontana Dr Giuseppe
Thracic Surgeon
Dipartimento di Chirurgia, Sezione di Chirurgia Toracica
Azienda Ospedaliera Policlinico,
MODENA, Italy
Tel: 0039-059422523, Fax: 0039-059360159
Residence: Via Vignolese 875/1, I-4100 MODENA
Tel: 0039-059372090
E-mail: giuseppe...@libero.it
Foroni Dr Letizia
Haematologist
Reader, Department of Haematology,
Royal Free Hospital, Pond Street
LONDON, NW3 2QG
Te: 020-78302965
Fax: 020-78302092
E-mail: let...@rfhsm.ac.uk
Franciosi Dr Paola Ginervra
Consultant Psycotherapist
Abraham Cowley Unit , Bournewood Community & Mental Health NHS Trust
Abraham Cowley Unit, St Peter's Hospital
Holloway Hill, Lyne
CHERTSEY, Surrey KT16 0AE
Tel.: 01932-602081; Fax: 01932-875128
Residence: 6 Canonbury Square
LONDON, N1 2AU
Tel/Fax: 020-73540228
Freeman Dr Samuel Vaani, FRCS
General Surgery
82 Green Lane,
THORNTON HEATH, Surrey CR7 8BF
Tel: 020-84058569; Fax: 020-86790208
Fumi Dr Lucio
Pharmaceutical Physician
(Treasurer-Elect IMSoGB)
Director, Donawa & Associates
PO Box 4244
Goring-on-Thames RG8 9XN
Tel 01491- 873603 / Fax 01491-873230
E-mail: lf...@aol.com
home (preferred address for mailing):
2 Wyfold Cottages, Wyfold
Reading RG4 9HX
Tel/Fax 01491-680072
Fusi Mr. Luca, MD FRCOG
Consultant and Senior Lecturer in Obstetrics & Gynaecology
(Secretary IMSoGB, 2000-2001)
Institute of Obstetrics & Gynaecology
Imperial College School of Medicine,
Hammersmith Hospital
Du Cane Road,
LONDON W12 0NN
Tel.: 020-8383 3274, 020-8383 2777
Fax. 020-8383 8065
E-mail: l.f...@ic.ac.uk
Residence: 19 Pembridge Crescent, London W11 3DX
Tel. 0 207 243 1767
Gandini Dr Domenica
Haematology Department
Royal Free Hospital
Pond Street,
LONDON NW3 2GQ
Ghaffari Dr Kamran
Consultant Psychiatrist
121 Harley Street
LONDON W1N 1DH
Tel: 020-79350525
Fax: 020-74333387
Girlanda Dr Raffaele
General Surgery
King's College University Hospital, Liver Transplant Service
Denmark Hill,
LONDON SE5 9RS
Tel: 20-77240376
Residence: 207 Ivydale Road
NUNHEAD
London SE15 3DY
Tel. 0207 639 0507
E-mail: ra...@yahoo.com
Giusto Dr Marcello
Internal Medicine
Via Milanesi, 6
S. Martino Siccomario
I-27028 PAVIA, Italy
Tel/Fax: 0039-0382556523
E-mail: marcell...@hotmail.com
Gnudi Dr Luigi
Senior Lecturer & Honorary Consultant, Endocrinology & Diabetes
(Council Member IMSoGB, 2000-2001)
Dept of Endocrinology, Diabetes & Internal Medicine
3th Floor - Thomas Guy House
Kings College London, Guy's Hospital,
LONDON, SE1 9RT
Tel: 020-7955 2833
Residence: Flat 1, 224 Old Brompton Road
LONDON SW5 0DA
Tel/Fax: 020-73701568
E-mail: luigi...@kcl.ac.uk
Greco Dr Vincenzo Antonio
General Practice
60 Bloomsbury Street
LONDON WC1B 3QT
Tel: 020-75807128
Fax: 020-75802062
E-mail: en...@grecodoc.freeserve.co.uk
Residence: 3/100A Southampton Row
LONDON WC1B 4BJ
Tel: 020-72428227
Grespi Dr Lorenzo, MRCPsych TQAP
Psychiatrist & Psychotherapist
Consultant Psychiatrist in Psychotherapy
West End Community Mental Health Team
Consultant in Adolescent Psychiatry
Northgate Clinic (Senior)
Residence: 85 St Augustine's Road
London NW1 9RR
tel & fax: +44 20 7428 0284
e-mail: l.gr...@which.net
Henrich Dr Carlo
121 Saint John Way,
LONDON N19 3RA
Tel: 07880 634413
Imperiali Dr David
Nepenthe
Bagshot Road
Ascot
BERKS SL5 9PR
Tel: 01344 620193
Fax: 01344 620167
Email: davidim...@aol.com
Impallomeni Dr Mario, FRCP
Consultant & Senior Lecturer, General Medicine & Care of the Elderly
(President-Elect IMSoGB)
Dept of Geriatric Medicine, ICSM
Hammersmith & Charing Cross Campuses
Tel: 020-83830004; Fax: 020-83833056
Residence: 20 Southway
Hampstead Garden Suburb
LONDON NW11 6RU
Tel.: 020-84553007
E-mail: m.impa...@ic.ac.uk
Kypriou (Wardle) Dr Telesilla
General Practice
The Christ Church Hall Surgery
20 Edison Road, Crouch End
LONDON N8 8AE
Tel: 020-83402877
REsidence: 78 Hawtrey Road
LONDON NW3 3SS
020-79166921
Lambert Ms Rosemarie
28, St Paul's Close,
Delamere Road, Ealing
LONDON W5 3JA
Tel/Fax: 020-88403245
E-mail: lam...@cocoon.co.uk
Maffulli Mr. Nicola, FRCS (Orth)
Consultant, Orthopaedic Surgery
Professor & Head, Department of Trauma & Orthopaedic Surgery
Keele University School of Medicine
North Staffordshire Hospital, Thornburrow Drive
HARTSHILL, Stoke on Trent
Staffordshire ST4 7QB
Tel: 01782-554608
Fax: 01782-412236
E-mail: n.maf...@keele.ac.uk
Maino Dr Anna
Ophtalmologist
Research Fellow, Glaucoma Research Unit
Moorfields Eye Hospital
City Road,
LONDON EC1V 2PD
Tel/:Fax 020-75662059
E-mail: fli...@hotmail.com
Residence: 18 Engadine Road
LONDON SW18 5BH
Tel.: 020-8870-8679
Marazzi Dr Erminio
24 Cranfield House, 97 Southampton Row
LONDON WC1B 4HH
Tel.: 020-7636 2764
Malaspina Dr Andrea
88 Baron's Court Road
LONDON W4 9DX
Tel: 020 8383 0521
Fax: 020 8846 7099
E-mail: a.mal...@ic.ac.uk
Marelli Dr Federica
Department of Immunology
ICSM (Hammersmith Campus)
Du Cane Road,
LONDON W12 0NN
Mieli - Vergani Prof. Giorgina
Professor of Paediatric Hepatology
Dept. of Child Health
Kings College Hospital,
Denmark Hill
LONDON SE5 9RS
Tel: 020-73464643/3357; Fax: 020-73464224
E-mail: giorgina...@kcl.ac.uk
Residence: 14, Crab Hill,
BECKENHAM, Kent BR3 5HE
Tel: 020-86586003; Fax: 020-86586211
E-mail: gior...@vergani.demon.co.uk
Mirakian Dr Rita
Immunologist
Department of Immunology
The Royal London Hospital
56-76 Ashfield Street
London E1 2AJ
Moiso Dr Davide
Psychologist
Residence: 8 Chertsey Road, Leytonstone
LONDON E11 4DG
Tel: 07932984316
E-mail: ac...@ukonline.co.uk
Monterosso Prof. Raffaello
Gynaecologist
89 Piccadilly,
LONDON W1J 7NE
Tel: 20-73554551
Muntoni Prof. Francesco
Professor & Consultant, Paediatric Neurology
Dept of Paediatric Neurology
Imperial College School of Medicine
Hammersmith Hospital
Du Cane Road
LONDON W12 0NN
Tel.: 020-83833295; Fax: 020-87408281
E-mail: f.mu...@ic.ac.uk
Residence: Flat 6, 166 Gloucester Terrace
LONDON, W2 6HR
Tel: 0171-2628953
Neelamkavil Dr Devassy Paul
General Practice
6 Plaxtol Close
BROMLEY BR1 3AU
Tel.: 020-8464 9852
Obertelli Dr Andrea
General Practice
60 Bloomsbury Street
LONDON WC1 3QT
Tel.: 020-75807128; Fax: 020-75802062
Reseidence: 11 View Road,
LONDON N6 4DJ
Tel: 020-83401567
Omiccioli Dr Luigi
Dentist
20 Wimpole Street
LONDON W1M 7AD
Tel: 020-76313363
Residence: Via Caffaro 3/11,
I-16124 GENOVA, Italy
Tel: 0039-0102758191
Fax: 0039-0102542996
E-mail: dott...@tn.village.it
Orlando Mr Antonio
Consultant in Plastic Surgery
Department of Plastic Surgery
North Bristol NHS Trust
Frenchay Hospital
BRISTOL, BS16 1LE
Tel: 0117-9753873, Fax: 0117-9753846
E-mail: dr.or...@virgin.net
Panarelli Dr Maurizio, MD, FRCPath
Locum Consultant, Dept. of Clinical Biochemistry
Gartnaval General Hospital
1053 Great Western Road
GLASGOW G12 0YN
Tel: 0141-2113349; Fax: 0141-2113452
Residence: 2F3, 8 Fountain Road - The Grange
EDINBURGH, EH9 2NN
Tel: 0131-6875484
Patelli-Zamblera Dr Anna
Psychodynamic Counsellor
Residence: 123 Hampstead Way
LONDON NW11 7JN
Tel./Fax: 020-84557761
Pepe Dr Gloria
Child & Adolescent Psychiatrist
Leigh House, Adolescent Inpatients Unit
Winchester & Eastleigh Healthcare NHS Trust
Tel: 01703-252418
Residence: 18 Stoke Road
WINCHESTER Hampshire SO23 7ET
Tel: 01962-862122
Pettit Dr Vera Agostina
Psychoanalyst (Retired)
Flat 4, 1 High Street
Shrewsbury,
Shropshire SY1 1SP
Pierro Mr Agostino
Professor of Paediatric Surgery
University College London, Institute of Child Health
30 Guilford Street
LONDON WC1N 1EH
Tel: 020-79052175; Fax: 020-74046181
E-mail: A.Pi...@ich.ucl.ac.uk
Residence: 80 Etheldene Avenue
LONDON, N10 3QB
Tel: 020-74448605
Pitzalis Prof. Costantino
Professor of Experimental Rheumatology at
The Guy's, Kings and St Thomas School of Medicine
(Council Member IMSoGB, 2000-2001)
Guy's Hospital, Division of Medicine, Rheumathology Unit
5th Floor, Thomas Guy House,
LONDON SE1 9R
Tel.: 020-79554394; Fax: 020-79552472
E-mail: costantin...@kcl.ac.uk
Polacco-Williams Dr Gianna
Consultant Psycotherapist
Tavistock Clinic, Adolescent Department
120 Belsize Lane,
LONDON NW3 5BA
Tel: 020-74357111; Fax: 020-74973041
E-mail: polacco...@aol.com or adole...@tavis.port.org
Residence: 29 St. John Road
LONDON NW 11
Tel: 020-84555682, Fax: 020-84542377
Pozzilli Prof. Paolo
Guest Lecturer, Endocrinology & Diabetes
St. Bartholomew's Hospital, Department of Diabetes & Metabolism
3rd Floor, Dominion House
LONDON EC1A 7BE
Tel.: 020-76017454; Mobile: 0802409023
Querci della Rovere Mr Guidubaldo (Uccio)
Consultant Surgeon
(President IMSoGB, 2000-2001)
The Royal Marsden Hospital
Downs Road
Sutton, Surrey SM2 5PT
Tel.: 020-86613160 (direct), 020-86426011 x3118
Fax: 020-86613126 Mobile: 0468627226
E-mail: gquercide...@doctors.org.uk
Residence: 12 Minehead Road
LONDON SW16 2AW
Tel/Fax: 020-86777244
Renna Dr Maurizio
Consultant Anaesthetist,
(Secretary-Elect IMSoGB)
Department of Anensthesia, Ealing Hospital NHS Trust
Uxbridge Road,
SOUTHALL, Middlesex, UB1 3HW
Tel.: 020-8967 5328; Fax: 020-89675797
Residence: 35 Disraeli Road, Ealing
LONDON, W5 5HS
Tel: 020-88400557
E-mail: re...@ealingas.demon.co.uk
Rizzi Dr Paolo
Hepatologist
Institute of Liver Studies
Kings College Hospital
Denmark Hill,
LONDON SE5 9RS
Tel: 020-77374963
Fax: 020-73463167
E-mail: Paolo...@kingshc.nhs.uk
Santino Dr Giuseppe
Ophtalmologist
Policlinico Umberto I°, Institute of Ohtalmology
Viale del Policlinico,
00161 ROMA, Italy
Tel: +39-06490296, Fax: +39-064457706
E-mail: gsan...@pelagus.it
Santodirocco Dr Antonietta
General Surgery
(Council Member IMSoGB, 2000-2001)
28 St. Pauls Close, Delamere Road, Ealing
LONDON W5 3JQ
Tel/Fax: 020-88403245, Mobile: 0958372256
E-mail: lam...@cocoon.co.uk
Scaravilli Prof. Francesco, MD, PhD, FRCPath
Neuropathologist
Head,
Dept. of Neuropathology
Inst. of Neurology, Queen Square
LONDON WC1N 3BG
Tel.: 020-78298731
E-mail: fsca...@ion.bpmf.ac.uk
Sogliani Dr Franco, MD, FRCS
Specialist Registrar, Cardiothoracic Surgery
St, Georges Hospital
Residence: 18 Walsingham Gardens,
STONELEIGH near Epsom, Surrey KT19 0LV
Tel/Fax: 020-83933791
Spoto Dr Giuseppe
Consultant Psychiatrist
Crawley Hospital
East Green Drive
Crawley, West Sussex, RH11 7DH
Tel.: 01293-600300, Fax: 01293-600411
Terenghi Dr Giorgio, PhD
Blond McIndoe Laboratories
Royal Free Hospital
University Department of Surgery
Rowland Hill Street
London NW3 2PF
Tel.: 020-7794 0500 Ext: 8438
Fax: 020-7431 4528
E-mail: g.ter...@rfc.ucl.ac.uk
Tonetti Prof. Maurizio
Dentist,
Head, Department of Periodontology
EASTMAN Dental Institute
256 Gray's Inn Road
LONDON WC1X 8LD
Tel.: 020-79151075, Fax: 020-79151137
E-mail: m.to...@eastman.ucl.ac.uk
Turlini Dr Eleonora
57A Balmoral Road,
Southend,
Westcliff-on-Sea SS0 7DN
E-mail: eleo...@turlini.fsnet.co.uk
Tel: 01702 43555 (Ext 2870)
Vergani Prof. Diego
Professor of Immunology
University College London, Institute of Hepatology
LONDON, WC1E 6HX
Tel:-020-72096515; Fax: 020-73882116
E-mail: d.ve...@ucl.ac.uk
Residence: 14 Crab Hill,
BECKENHAM, Kent BR3 5HE
Tel: 020-86586003; Fax: 020-86586211
E-mail: di...@vergani.demon.co.uk
Viel Mr Maurizio
Aestetic Surgery
15 Harley Street
LONDON W1N 1DA
Tel.: 020-76364272 Fax.: 020-74361677
Viel Mr Roberto
Aestetic Surgery
15 Harley Street
LONDON W1N 1DA
Tel.: 020-7636 4272 Fax.: 020-7436 1677
Villa Dr Laura
Psychologist
Via Duca degli Abruzzi 255/6
I-18038 San Remo, Italy
E-mail: lau...@lineone.net
Volpi Dr Emanuela, PhD
Cytogeneticist
Molecular Cytogernetics and Microscopy Core
Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics
Roosevelt Drive
OXFORD OX3 7BN
Tel.: 01865-287646
E-mail: emanuel...@well.ox.ac.uk
Jon
Errante <f_er...@libero.it> writes
>Get more on this subject by visiting :
>
> http://server2045.virtualave.net/bedfordshire-holocaust/aloj.htm
>
>
>If, however, you want to roll yourself laughing onto the paviment than visit :
> http://www.ambitalia.org.uk/imsobj.htm
>
>Here is the names and contacts of these highly respectable elite ...
>
>MAY GOD SPARE YOU FROM EVER GETTING TO KNOW THEM !!!
>
>Adinolfi Prof. Matteo, MD, Ph.D.
>Professor Emeritus
>University College London, Galton Laboratory
>4 Stephenson Way
>LONDON NW1 2HE
>Tel: 020-75045050
>E-mail: mat...@galton.ucl.ac.uk
You stupid bastard. What is the point of wasting our time with a
meaningless list of names?
You have certainly convinced me that you are an obsessive litigant who
is probably a danger to his mother and that anything you say is probably
the very opposite of the truth.
Go and get help, and meanwhile stop posting to usenet until you have
regained your sanity.
Jon
Pal <rp...@btinternet.com> writes
>Email explaining that Professor Aloj would be quite happy to visit Mrs
>Caminita. He offered in future emails to obtain Independent
>Psychiatric reports from Italian Doctors. This never happened. He
>promised to visit this lady with me - this never happened.
>
>For four months we continued exchanges of emails - all will be
>revealed.
>
>She remains without
>a) An independent psychiatric report
>b) She has no advice regarding her rights to appeal against a mental
>health section should she wish to
>c) She has no rights to obtain a legal representative. This has been
>denied to her as guardianship and person ownership has been assigned
>to Bedforshire Social Services.
>d) Her CT scan has no problems. Her mental health assessment has no
>problems. She is heard to speak on a phone and ask to live in Italy.
>Why is she not allowed to live in any country of her own free will?
Presumably the social workers at Bedfordshire know the answer. And
presumably they don't want to share their information with Dr Pal (whom
they might, who knows, see as an interfering busybody) or with anyone of
her acquaintance.
That doesn't mean there has been a miscarriage of justice or that the
lady is being held against her will. It only means that Bedfordshire
Social Services are correctly observing their confidentiality
obligations and that nobody has yet made the correct sort of application
for a court order to review the decision.
--
Jon
Dr Rita Pal
Oddly enough, I had hoped you boys could read but clearly not. I have
infact posted the whole of this material on our site but given your
inability to realise this one can only suggest that you are slightly
short sighted. All email correspondence is on Francesco's site but
again no one bothers to read it. So therefore given your lack of a
minor thing called observation, you failed to notice that the material
is already on a website. Dear, dear, I had hoped you would realise
this but hey both of you must be far superior to myself - a mere
person who wants to gain credibility ( with people like you )- ( I
THINK NOT).
Is it becoming of gentlemen to swear at a lady or didnt your mum teach
you both manners?
One more thing you have to understand is that I dont give a damn what
your neurones think of me. I have placed the case of a lady in need of
assistance. I hope one day you are both met with the same fate as she
has been. Let me know when you are old because as a doctor - I
certainly would welcome it and celebrate.
In future, refrain from swearing at me. It doesnt go down well. Also
try and discuss things logically. I happen to be qualified to
diagnosed "nutters" and I would not wish to state which ICD 10 code
you were both in!
Try and be gentlemen and I may even listen to you but acting like
fools will never get you anywhere because I dont need your approval,
if I did, I would be a very very sad person !
Rita Pal
www.nhs-exposed.com
Percy Picacity
news:t09dgeCk...@jongru.nospam.freserve.co.uk:
Or possibly that they have made such an application to the Court of
Protection and it has for some reason rejected it. In which case we
need, for any kind of clarity, to know what evidence Bedfordshire has
presented to discredit the relative(s) making that application.
Without such evidence, it would seem only reasonable to allow an
independent psychiatrist to examine the lady as to her mental state and
as to the appropriateness of allowing her to present her views directly
to the court. We have much one-sided propaganda and few facts.
--
Percy Picacity
Francesco Errante
> Presumably the social workers at Bedfordshire know the answer. And
> presumably they don't want to share their information with Dr Pal (whom
> they might, who knows, see as an interfering busybody) or with anyone of
> her acquaintance.
>
> That doesn't mean there has been a miscarriage of justice or that the
> lady is being held against her will. It only means that Bedfordshire
> Social Services are correctly observing their confidentiality
> obligations and that nobody has yet made the correct sort of application
> for a court order to review the decision.
===============================================================================
U just do not know what u're talking about ...go away !
===============================================================================
John Owens
news:532888dd.02010...@posting.google.com...
> "Steve Walker" <steve-...@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:<a0t3o3$frr$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> > "David Husband" <da...@uhfonaq.bet.hx> wrote in message
> > news:c0ul9EAL...@c-i.org.uk...
> >
> > > In extreme cases you will end up becoming a "fuckwit".
> >
> > Sadly, I fear Dr Pal has already achieved that level of credibility.
>
> Oddly enough, I had hoped you boys could read but clearly not.
Hey the internet, and particularly newsgroups, can be a particularly good
way of helping the non powerful gain a voice. If your case is good you
would get a following , BUT
Making your postings difficult to read is a bad tactic. Whether you are
billposting or newsgroupposting. You were given good advice, and quite
politely for this environment. Sometimes you have to switch on the receive
button as well you know!
Stick to the issues, in the idiom of the channel, and any merits of your
case will surface. Play silly buggers and your case will suffer.
--
~~~~~~~
John Owens
Fax 44 1509 89 08 22
Jon
"Francesco Errante" <f_er...@libero.it> wrote in message
news:a75086a6.0201...@posting.google.com...
No, sorry, I won't go away. This is the antiques roadshow. You bring your
stuff into Usenet and people are entitled to look at it and tell you that
what you thought was a valuable treasure is in fact crap. I expect you will
understand this image, because you have rather an obsession with excrement
yourself. Maybe that's why you wanted to scrub your mother?
I have read some of the material on your website, and my conclusion is that
your mother is being well looked after, that Dr Pal has not examined your
mother and therefore her views are of no value (I daresay she is a competent
doctor but most of her opinions seem to be on legal rather than medical
matters as far as I can see), and that you are a raving loony who keeps
blathering on about the Bedfordshire Holocaust Scheme in pidgin English on
your poorly-designed website.
--
Jon
David Husband
<k...@under.the.invalid> writes
>Or possibly that they have made such an application to the Court of
>Protection and it has for some reason rejected it. In which case we
>need, for any kind of clarity, to know what evidence Bedfordshire has
>presented to discredit the relative(s) making that application.
>Without such evidence, it would seem only reasonable to allow an
>independent psychiatrist to examine the lady as to her mental state
But it does not appear to me, given her recent postings on the subject,
that Dr Pal is "an independent psychiatrist" as far as this particular
case is concerned...
> We have much one-sided propaganda and few facts.
And an awful lot of ranting and raving.
--
David Husband, Portland, Dorset. (Use rot-13 to get correct e-mail address)
David Husband
>"Steve Walker" <steve-...@invalid.net> wrote in message news:<a0t3o3$frr$1@ne
>ws8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>> "David Husband" <da...@uhfonaq.bet.hx> wrote in message
>> news:c0ul9EAL...@c-i.org.uk...
>>
>> > In extreme cases you will end up becoming a "fuckwit".
>>
>> Sadly, I fear Dr Pal has already achieved that level of credibility.
>
>Oddly enough, I had hoped you boys could read but clearly not. I have
>infact posted the whole of this material on our site but given your
>inability to realise this one can only suggest that you are slightly
>short sighted.
My comments were in response to your post where you posted a long email
complete with headers and then promised more of the same.
> All email correspondence is on Francesco's site but
>again no one bothers to read it.
There is a very subtle hint for you there in your own words.
Clue: Why does "no one bother to read it ?"
>
>Is it becoming of gentlemen to swear at a lady
I certainly have not sworn at you.
Please quote where I have sworn at you.
>In future, refrain from swearing at me. It doesnt go down well.
I certainly have not sworn at you.
Please quote where I have sworn at you.
> I happen to be qualified to
>diagnosed "nutters" and I would not wish to state which ICD 10 code
>you were both in!
Very interesting. You are able to make a medical diagnosis of "nutters"
by newsgroup postings ?
You must be one hell of a trick cyclist !!
Be careful you don't fall off !!
>Try and be gentlemen and I may even listen to you but acting like
>fools will never get you anywhere
Why do you find it necessary to be abusive ?
Have I been abusive to you ?
Please quote where I have been abusive to you.
David Husband
<J...@jongru.freeserve.co.uk> writes
snip obsessive stuff..
>You stupid bastard. What is the point of wasting our time with a
>meaningless list of names?
>
>You have certainly convinced me that you are an obsessive litigant who
>is probably a danger to his mother and that anything you say is probably
>the very opposite of the truth.
>
>Go and get help, and meanwhile stop posting to usenet until you have
>regained your sanity.
I am in agreement with you, Jon.
I also note his evasiveness in avoiding giving straight answers to
straightforward and reasonable questions and instead being abusive and
introducing irrelevant newsgroups postings from other groups, in, one
assumes, a rather childish attempt to discredit the other poster.
David Husband
Errante <f_er...@libero.it> writes
>Jon <J...@jongru.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:<t09dgeCk4jM8Ewf+@jongru.
If you post to newsgroups, as you are doing and have done over the last
few days, you must expect others to comment.
Jon is a respected contributor to uk.legal and an experienced solicitor.
I see nothing "ignorant" or unreasonable in Jon's response, quoted above
and you would be well advised to consider and digest what he says which
was based upon what you yourself posted here.
Your abusive response was uncalled for and you are very rapidly heading
for my "nutter" file where your postings will be voluntarily ignored.
In view of your abusive, evasive and irrational behaviour, I very much
doubt that you are winning any "converts" to your "cause" here in
uk.legal
Quite the opposite.
Finally, keep taking the tablets and have a happy new year.
David Husband
<j...@jongru.nospam.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>I have read some of the material on your website, and my conclusion is that
>your mother is being well looked after, that Dr Pal has not examined your
>mother and therefore her views are of no value (I daresay she is a competent
>doctor but most of her opinions seem to be on legal rather than medical
>matters as far as I can see)
And in any case she clearly has an emotional involvement with this case
and none of her opinions could therefore be regarded as "independent".
Dr Rita Pal
Dear Jon
a) Have you read the Mental health Act
b) Have you read my letter to the Social Services
c) Anyone who is on the MHA has the right to see anyone they wish.
Nothing to do with whether I am a " busy body" or not.
d) Clearly you are correct, I have not examined her but I put it to
you that a person with a normal CT scan does not infact have Alzeimers
disease or dementia as they allege. Would I be wrong about that?
Perhaps you could ask your brother about it! NORMAL CT means NO
FUNCTIONAL PROBLEMS.
e) I have her medical records - would you like me to scan them in for
you. Mental Health Assessment where they asked her about English
politics and English socail questions when the woman is ITALIAN and
speaks no English and her world view is in ITALIAN.
f) Do you think that a woman who clearly by the taped conversation
knows who she is and where she is can be imprisoned and controlled by
the Social Services. And how about the Italian Social Services?
g) You forget Jon, I told you once that I dont do things without
evidence. Why dont you take a look at the letter I wrote under Mental
Health Exposed on my site.
h) Ask the social services, I offered Francesco in return for his
mothers freedom and they still did not accept it.
As for your remarks about Pidgin English. We cant all be perfectly
eloquent as you Jon. We cant all be perfect at spelling and have a
perfect education. Some of us try to express ourselves the best we
can. While Errante expresses himself in the way he wishes, I feel you
should take the information you feel is useful to you.
Italian Embassy should have helped her.
For your information ( a minor not for such a competent lawyer as
yourself ) Bedfordshire Social Services was reponsible for covering up
the death of Mr Stephen Hill in a Shaftesbury Society home where a
nurse timed his death as opposed to calling an ambulance. They are all
currently being investigated by Bedfordshire Police after 5 years -
because I reported it. So much for your assumption that Bedfordshire
is innocent. I know of another case where a patient who was simply
untidy and disliked by neighbours who is currently under the Mental
Health Act because it is convenient for them to do so.
Similarly, with respect to Margherita, you as a lawyer should realise
the fact that Francesco's innocence or guilt should not dictate the
life of his mother. Similarly, if I had killed someone and you were
married to me - I would not expect the police to put you in prison
merely for being related to me. An example that shows you my point.
Expression from people is different. People are colourful creatures
with many ways to develop thoughts. Merely because it doesnt fit in
with your world view does not mean one should switch off.
We are not all perfect at English. I certainly am not having learned
English at 15 properly and suffered terribly while people insisted I
had a learning disability and poked fun at my spelling. People can be
cruel but only because they do not have the experience to treat other
people's feelings with kid gloves. Even with prisoners, you must learn
not to judge them by your own standards. In life, that is wrong.
Give Francesco a chance. Try and think about freedom that every person
deserves. Noone wishes to be controlled by anyone else least of all
Social Services. He may be " taken care of" but she is not "free" or
happy. I know this because I know if my own mother was in the same
situation, she would not know how to comminicate and live in a world
where we have our Engoish ways as opposed to opera or the beauty of
Italy.
Perhaps you should try that perspective.
Rita
Dr Rita Pal
>
> And in any case she clearly has an emotional involvement with this case
> and none of her opinions could therefore be regarded as "independent".
Oh lets see " Rita is a woman" therefore by default she must be
emotional about the case!
So would you consider that just a tad chauvinistic. Ofcourse I have
emotions, I am a doctor who damn well cares about every single one of
my patients and my colleagues and friends. I do many cases for free
with some of my colleagues.
How could I be emotional about a set of notes. You are one illogical
toad David. I can think logically despite my so called " emotions" and
for godsake if I was such a tearful blathering wreck then would I be
fighting on NHS Exposed? Would I be fighting Adoko for the sake of my
principles and what I owe Neelu and her family despite their
antagonism.
Well lets see, if I am not independent then who is. By the way four
doctors here looked at her notes therefore you can stick you sentence
of " therefore by default none of her opinions are independent" where
the sun dont shine and if you are shocked to hear that from a doctor
then remember this - My emotions do not get in the way of my judgement
and if it did I wouldnt be able to deal with all my patients.
You know something, I care enough to do something for those who come
to me for help. At least I can sleep with a guilt free conscience -
seriously while yo debate here about how independent I am - why dont
you go and do something constructive and ring or visit Margerita?
NOOOO I guess that would be too much to ask given you probably have
only one issue - your own !
Now, dont make chauvinsitic comments like this again. I am just as
capable as you at being independent and I think you should get off
your high horse for a change.
Rita P
www.nhs-exposed.com
Steve Walker
> Try and be gentlemen and I may even listen to you but acting like
> fools will never get you anywhere .......
Laugh, I nearly bought a round.
Steve Walker
> Get more on this subject by visiting :
Hey, Francesco - before you start chucking out the insults, why not try
answering the questions? Posting a load of capitalised ranting isn't going
to impress anyone. You're right that I've asked the questions several
times, but on each occasion *you avoid replying*. Ranting on about other
people doing this or that might be seen as an attempt to conceal your own
behaviour.
So, if you're serious and you really want people here to believe your story,
how about some straight, simple answers :
1 - What offences were you charged with in respect of your mother and also
in respect of her current carers?
2 - Do you admit to part or all of the behaviour alleged against you?
3 - Did you abscond to Italy while subject to Bail for those charges?
4 - If you did abscond, and therefore have unresolved accusations hanging
over you (including one of ABH against your mother), how do you expect to be
taken seriously as an advocate for her welfare?
(Oh, and please try to give the caps-lock a rest...)
Steve Walker
"Percy Picacity" <k...@under.the.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns918A3EB912...@207.14.113.10...
> Or possibly that they have made such an application to the Court of
> Protection and it has for some reason rejected it. In which case we
> need, for any kind of clarity, to know what evidence Bedfordshire has
> presented to discredit the relative(s) making that application.
> Without such evidence, it would seem only reasonable to allow an
> independent psychiatrist to examine the lady as to her mental state and
> as to the appropriateness of allowing her to present her views directly
> to the court. We have much one-sided propaganda and few facts.
Good points, but unfortunately -
Dr Rita doesn't appear to have much professional credibility amongst her
peers, so her opinion would be unlikely to be taken above that of the
existig diagnoses.
Francesco is apparently rather dangerous, and is already on the run from
charges of ABH against his mother. Handing her to his care without
resolution of those allegations would surely be quite indefensible?
Steve Walker
============================================================================
===
> U just do not know what u're talking about ...go away !
>
============================================================================
===
Hey, Francesco - before you start chucking out the insults, why not try
Steve Walker
> Now, dont make chauvinsitic comments like this again. I am just as
> capable as you at being independent and I think you should get off
> your high horse for a change.
I bet that patronising superior tone went down a bomb while you were in the
NHS Rita - how long did you last ?
Jon
Dear Rita,
Because I don't profess to be a gentleman I will respond to your post in
the same spirit as yours, even at the risk of offending you.
>
>a) Have you read the Mental health Act
No. Have you read Part 35 of the CPR? I expect you have, but I wonder
if you understand what an expert witness is, in the view of a court of
law, and what her obligations and responsibilities are.
>b) Have you read my letter to the Social Services
No
>c) Anyone who is on the MHA has the right to see anyone they wish.
>Nothing to do with whether I am a " busy body" or not.
And your point is? I think your point is that if Dr Pal wants to
examine any patient in the land (even the patient of another doctor) she
has the right to do so and everyone must step aside and let the learned
doctor do her job. Do put me right on this.
>d) Clearly you are correct, I have not examined her but I put it to
>you that a person with a normal CT scan does not infact have Alzeimers
>disease or dementia as they allege. Would I be wrong about that?
I hesitate to argue with you because (and I'm sure this will upset you)
you seem far too emotional and you lack the detachment that a doctor
ought to have, if she is an expert witness. In saying this, I merely
comment on the impression you make - it might not reflect reality, and
perhaps you ought to review your style of communicating.
However, it seems far too simplistic to say that a report of a CT scan
is an adequate substitute for a medical examination and assessment.
>Perhaps you could ask your brother about it! NORMAL CT means NO
>FUNCTIONAL PROBLEMS.
As above. If you had your way, maybe you'd let all the patients with a
normal CT scan out of their asylums or hospitals. Maybe a thermometer
would be a cheaper tool, if you want a quick and simple way of
distinguishing the sick from the healthy. And by bringing my brother
into it, you have once again (again? do you really make a habit of it?)
breached the confidentiality of a private email exchange.
To quote you from another post of yours: "My loyalties are to myself and
noone else."
>e) I have her medical records - would you like me to scan them in for
>you.
Go on, publish all the records of all your patients on the Internet.
Their right to privacy must clearly take second place to your
all-important need to prove your point. Trust and confidentiality
plainly mean nothing to you.
>Mental Health Assessment where they asked her about English
>politics and English socail questions when the woman is ITALIAN and
>speaks no English and her world view is in ITALIAN.
>f) Do you think that a woman who clearly by the taped conversation
>knows who she is and where she is can be imprisoned and controlled by
>the Social Services. And how about the Italian Social Services?
>g) You forget Jon, I told you once that I dont do things without
>evidence. Why dont you take a look at the letter I wrote under Mental
>Health Exposed on my site.
>h) Ask the social services, I offered Francesco in return for his
>mothers freedom and they still did not accept it.
>
>As for your remarks about Pidgin English. We cant all be perfectly
>eloquent as you Jon. We cant all be perfect at spelling and have a
>perfect education. Some of us try to express ourselves the best we
>can. While Errante expresses himself in the way he wishes, I feel you
>should take the information you feel is useful to you.
So you buy into that codswallop about the local authority "holocaust".
Oh dear. I looked in vain on his silly website for any information that
was "useful" to me. Yours is better, of course, but I now have doubts
about your methodology and the reliability of your views.
>
>Italian Embassy should have helped her.
So why didn't they? Presumably they disagree with you and they are
satisfied that her needs are being catered for by social services. You
of course are certain that they are wrong. You're not really a team
player, are you? You sound like the sort of all-powerful arrogant
control-freak doctor that you're so fond of criticising. You've already
said to another contributor that you feel able to diagnose him as
mentally ill. I think that secretly you'd rather be in the
Establishment, sectioning the patients with ruthless abandon and
enjoying the cocktail parties with the Chief and who knows, flirting
with him a bit.
>
>For your information ( a minor not for such a competent lawyer as
>yourself ) Bedfordshire Social Services was reponsible for covering up
>the death of Mr Stephen Hill in a Shaftesbury Society home where a
>nurse timed his death as opposed to calling an ambulance. They are all
>currently being investigated by Bedfordshire Police after 5 years -
>because I reported it. So much for your assumption that Bedfordshire
>is innocent.
I have assumed nothing at all. I have merely commented on the evidence
that I have seen. I haven't even seen it all, because the real
"evidence" (and I suspect it is very flimsy) is buried in waffle and
rhetoric on the various websites I have seen. In a court of law, the
minimum obligation upon you is to state your case clearly and produce
your evidence. Not just shout, cry, whinge and demand that the court
should do your investigations for you.
> I know of another case where a patient who was simply
>untidy and disliked by neighbours who is currently under the Mental
>Health Act because it is convenient for them to do so.
>
>Similarly, with respect to Margherita, you as a lawyer should realise
>the fact that Francesco's innocence or guilt should not dictate the
>life of his mother. Similarly, if I had killed someone and you were
>married to me - I would not expect the police to put you in prison
>merely for being related to me. An example that shows you my point.
Devoid of any logic, I'm afraid. When I say to Errante that he is a
raving loony (and I concede that there is an element of exaggeration in
that description but he certainly is rude, aggressive and incapable of
putting his case properly) I make no judgments at all about what happens
to his mother. However, I cannot but suspect that she ought not to be in
his care and is better off where she is than in his control.
>
>Expression from people is different. People are colourful creatures
>with many ways to develop thoughts. Merely because it doesnt fit in
>with your world view does not mean one should switch off.
I never switch off, but the killfile option is always available.
--
Jon
Jon
<J...@jongru.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
>No
I have now. It took a while to find it, because there was no obvious
link to this material from the front page of your nhs-exposed site.
I am afraid I wasn't impressed with your letter to Social Services,
which consisted mainly of legal submissions rather than matters of
medical opinion.
http://66.70.134.168/nhs-exposed/patients/mental/carminita1.shtml
--
Jon
Percy Picacity
I really wasn't thinking in terms of Dr. Pal providing an expert
opinion: more likely, a sympathetic independent psychiatrist of good
professional standing in this field.
Your remarks about the relative are very illuminating: but it is worth
remembering that in the case of an adult of sufficient mental ability
you cannot force them to leave an abusive relationship just because
(for instance) they are old.
We certainly need more facts before we can decide if this case has been
appropriately dealt with by the authorities, and, more important,
decide if it has been *seen* to be appropriately dealt with to the view
of a reasonable member of the public. Unlike child cases, I don't
think there is any a priori right of secrecy for the officials involved
or, indeed, the "victim", though this would depend on the nature of any
criminal charges which might have been involved.
--
Percy Picacity
Steve Walker
"Percy Picacity" <k...@under.the.invalid> wrote in message
> We certainly need more facts before we can decide if this case has been
> appropriately dealt with by the authorities, and, more important,
> decide if it has been *seen* to be appropriately dealt with to the view
> of a reasonable member of the public. Unlike child cases, I don't
> think there is any a priori right of secrecy for the officials involved
> or, indeed, the "victim", though this would depend on the nature of any
> criminal charges which might have been involved.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree. Why should this poor woman's circumstances,
identity & medical reports become a matter of public discourse? When I'm
92 and incontinent, I don't want you lot poring over my casenotes....
There are issues of respect & privacy here, and in my view were she to have
any viable wish to be discharged to Italy the NHS would have packed her off
in 2 minutes flat.
She's elderly, confused & vulnerable, and I think that Francesco's proper
couse of action would be to clear his name and then act as her advocate &
next-of-kin. His refusal to explain his alleged behaviour disqualifies him
from any moral right to claim he speaks for her.
David Husband
<Da...@uhfonaq.bet.hx> writes
>
>Why do you find it necessary to be abusive ?
>Have I been abusive to you ?
>
>Please quote where I have been abusive to you.
I note that Dr Rita Pal has evaded my challenges to support her
"smokescreen" assertions....
David Husband
Pal <rp...@btinternet.com> writes
>David Husband <Da...@uhfonaq.bet.hx> wrote in message news:<80PmsLAGfvM8Ew8M@p-
>v.bet.hx>...
>>
>> And in any case she clearly has an emotional involvement with this case
>> and none of her opinions could therefore be regarded as "independent".
>
>Oh lets see " Rita is a woman" therefore by default she must be
>emotional about the case!
You have a big attitude problem.
It is obvious by the way you are conducting yourself here in uk.legal
that you have an emotional involvement in this case and so you cannot be
"independent".
I note that you have avoided my challenges in other parts of this thread
to provide evidence to support the "smokescreen" assertions you made.
I note that your "smokescreen" assertions in other parts of this thread
appear to have been made to avoid answering other perfectly reasonable
questions/points put to you.
I am very rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are very evasive.
You are not scoring very highly in the "Scarth" tests.
<snip emotional nonsense which cuts no ice with me..>
>Now, dont make chauvinsitic comments like this again.
This is usenet and I am free to make whatever comments I see fit,
whether *you* like it or not.
Francesco Errante
credibility
is out of question and do not think it the main issue here either.
What it seems that many people here wish to turn they eyes away is the
fact that a person is said to be mentally ill and unable to testify
while on the other hand there is a lot of clear and fresh evidence
that she is not and therefore she must be allowed to testify let alone
live her own life in liberty.
Moreover, rights are rights, and cannot be picked and choosed at will
!
It is fondamental that anyone accused of anything be allowed to have
all the witnesses he/she wants to in court, either to testify or to be
crossexamined.
Preventing a witness to testify by falsifying medical status and
incarcerating and secluding the same is not reflecting well on the
British civilized society, isn't it ? And more importantly it's a
CATALOGUE of HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE in order to conceling the truth and
perverting the course of Justice .
Whether I am a defendant or a litigant in person should not prejudice
my entitlement to my own rights.
Lies, deceipts, defamation, false statements ..you name it, are not
going to work with me !
Thank you .
Francesco Errante
Percy Picacity <k...@under.the.invalid> wrote in message news:<Xns918B395CF5...@207.14.113.10>...
Steve Walker
> Whether many croocks have interest in defamating me to attack my
> credibility
> is out of question and do not think it the main issue here either.
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Dr Rita Pal
> Presumably the social workers at Bedfordshire know the answer. And
> presumably they don't want to share their information with Dr Pal (whom
> they might, who knows, see as an interfering busybody) or with anyone of
> her acquaintance.
>
> That doesn't mean there has been a miscarriage of justice or that the
> lady is being held against her will. It only means that Bedfordshire
> Social Services are correctly observing their confidentiality
> obligations and that nobody has yet made the correct sort of application
> for a court order to review the decision.
You presume too much Jon. What information do I exactly wish for since
I have everything there is to have in line with statements, medical
records, you name it I have it. No lawyer would represent this lady. I
tried with 8 firms. U
So lets see, there is a lady who has a normal brain scan and they are
alleging Dementia ( which is highly innacurate) and someone else has
guardianship and she is under a Mental Health Act when quite obviously
she shouldnt be and there is NO miscarriage of justice? It amounts to
you being locked up in one of my wards. Would you not want a lawyer?
The question is why has there been no legal advice for this woman
under the Mental Health Tribunal regulations. Every six months the
Section 3 is reviewed when there should be a Tribunal where she can
represent herself.
Surely, if the social services were so innocent they would not prevent
me from going to see her - afterall they cannot dictate who visits the
lady by law. Voluntary organisations are allowed to visit! What
breaches in confidentiality is there and to whom at this point of mere
visitation.
Its very simple Jon. You are a lawyer, look at it simply and tell me
that her rights are not being breached in light of the following
a) Normal CT
b) No legal representation
c) No Tribunal Review
d) NO visitation Rights
e) Failure to respect her wishes to go back to Italy.
f) Failure to accept presents and letters to be delivered to her
forcing me to go via the police.
g) Failure to ensure that she can make phonecalls.
You have done criminal law, you tell me how different that is from a
prisoner who has committed murder.
Social Services are using the MHA for their own convenience. Why dont
they make representations to the Italian Embassy to have her
transfered in the same situation ( protection and guardianship) but to
Italy? Would that not be fair Jon? The lady wishes to be in Italy so
why are we concentrating on Francesco as opposed to his mother?
RP
Jim Hulbert
David Husband wrote in message ...
>
>I certainly have not sworn at you.
>Please quote where I have sworn at you.
Numbskull David: she hasn't said that you have.
>
>>In future, refrain from swearing at me. It doesnt go down well.
>
>I certainly have not sworn at you.
>Please quote where I have sworn at you.
Ditto.
>
>> I happen to be qualified to
>>diagnosed "nutters" and I would not wish to state which ICD 10 code
>>you were both in!
>
>Very interesting. You are able to make a medical diagnosis of "nutters"
>by newsgroup postings ?
LOL albeit hypocritial.
And even more interesting David. You being unqualified are able to make a
medical diagnosis of "nutter" i suppose?
1 sept. 2001 David wrote:
Carolyn the nutter, again !! - That's 1 diagnosis David.
6 Sept. 2001 David wrote:
"Because the original poster of that particular comment that started it
all is another "nutter", that's why." - That's the 2nd.
4 Sept. 2001 David wrote:
Why is Jim Hulbert such a Nutter? - 3rd diagnosis.
and
Carolyn the nutter, again !! - 4th
14 aug. 2001 David wrote:
<plonk> Nutter #2 enters the nutter file, more to follow... - 5th
8 Aug. 2001 Davis wrote:
"I would expect it to be clear to you Jim because you are another nutter " -
6th diagnosis from the unqualified David.
I've gotta stop now David, because there are so many instances where you've
called people "nutters" but i think i've made my point and you shouldn't
really have scolded Dr. Pal for acting as you have repeatedly done. Not
cricket you know.
--
J.H.