BBC Nursery Program last night
Ancient One
According to one BBC News article the people have been sacked and the BBC
accused of scaremongering but...
...why no criminal charges?
If a parent had been observed doing that, then arrest, child in care etc.
What was shown was blatant child abuse!
Where is the balance of justice, watching that little boy half hurled across
a kitchen by his arm made me fairly angry and upset me quite a bit, if I had
observed my daughter getting treated like that I would have felled the woman
on the spot
Getting the sack is not enough, some of those workers should be imprisoned
for their terrible ways
And I bet those who done it with kids don't get one bit of investigation
officially
Scandal!
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AO
The Todal
"Ancient One" <Ancie...@destroyjaimito.com> wrote in message
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> Did anyone see that terrible program about the nurseries last night.
Yes
>
> According to one BBC News article the people have been sacked and the BBC
> accused of scaremongering but...
>
> ...why no criminal charges?
>
> If a parent had been observed doing that, then arrest, child in care etc.
No, I don't think so.
>
> What was shown was blatant child abuse!
It seemed a lot of fuss about very little, to me. There was inappropriate
shouting at children, but that happens in schools and in families every day.
There was some rather callous behaviour towards crying children who were
told off rather than comforted. Ditto. It surprised me that there were no
slaps or other assaults.
>
> Where is the balance of justice, watching that little boy half hurled
across
> a kitchen by his arm made me fairly angry and upset me quite a bit, if I
had
> observed my daughter getting treated like that I would have felled the
woman
> on the spot
The child was moved from one place to another by lifting him by his arm. It
was definitely the wrong way to do it but it wasn't done as a punishment and
it is unlikely to have caused him more than momentary discomfort. And I bet
there are some parents who would do that.
>
> Getting the sack is not enough, some of those workers should be imprisoned
> for their terrible ways
As so often happens (eg with old peoples' homes) the proprietors try to show
the world a facade which is well staffed, well run and caring. The reality
is that they were understaffed and undertrained and poorly supervised. The
aim is to make money at the least possible cost. Those who are punished
should be the proprietors, not the lowly staff.
Ancient One
"The Todal" <iu...@beeb.net> wrote in message
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I agree with some of the above and yes as in care home, the profit margins
are shaved so thinly of course corners are going to be cut.
However calling children derisory names and yanking them around as was seen
in my mind is extremely unsavoury and damaging to the child.
I have seen it where social services have entered a family's lives for just
telling a child off too harshly, its pretty unlevel this playing field.
I don't have to discipline my child in such a manner, we all have our
individual ways but I still say if I had seen my daughter treated so then I
would have gone up the wall.
AO
The Todal
>
> I agree with some of the above and yes as in care home, the profit margins
> are shaved so thinly of course corners are going to be cut.
>
> However calling children derisory names and yanking them around as was
seen
> in my mind is extremely unsavoury and damaging to the child.
>
> I have seen it where social services have entered a family's lives for
just
> telling a child off too harshly, its pretty unlevel this playing field.
>
> I don't have to discipline my child in such a manner, we all have our
> individual ways but I still say if I had seen my daughter treated so then
I
> would have gone up the wall.
I entirely agree with you. It's just that I'm not sure there was enough of
a story to justify a prime-time TV slot. Those nurseries gave very poor
value for money and the level of care and supervision was good at times but
very unsatisfactory at other times. Nappies were changed without proper
protective clothing or hand-washing. Potties were rinsed in the sink, which
was unhygienic. There were many valid complaints but not really what one
would call a scandal.
There were two injury cases mentioned. One was a serious case of burns to
the hands, but we were not told how that came about, only that the nursery
underestimated the extent of the injuries and later paid compensation. And
there was that case where a baby was allergic to milk and was fed a
milk-based cereal and died. But I'm afraid I blame the parents as much as
the nursery assistants for that. I don't approve of handing over your kids
(under 2) to a nursery to care for all day, and I disapprove even more if
the kid has an allergy and you are trusting other people to make life and
death decisions when their main skill is working with paints and
papier-mache, and reading stories.
Steve
Maybe it does happen in families every day but its balanced with love and
care, much more love and care that a worker who is probably on minimum wage
is going to show.
> As so often happens (eg with old peoples' homes) the proprietors try to
show
> the world a facade which is well staffed, well run and caring. The reality
> is that they were understaffed and undertrained and poorly supervised. The
> aim is to make money at the least possible cost. Those who are punished
> should be the proprietors, not the lowly staff.
>
As above. Staff are on minimum wage and under supervised. Its the owners
making a fast buck and pasing the buck onto team leaders who are arnt
earning that much more themselves
My g/f is a nursery nurse in scotland. Our daughter is in the same nursery
and I do honestly beleieve that she and other kids there are well treated.
But...........The things she tells me is scandelous.
When the care commission (scots version of OFSTED) does a visit and look at
the ratio's they are forged. The owner knows that they are due a visit and
asks one of the staff to forge the documents to show that there were more
staff in so the staff/child ratio is better.
The qualifieds are paid minimum wage, only have 30 mins break and 10 mins
morning and afternoon. People who street clean for the council are on more
money than private nursery nurses yet we trust them with our children while
the owners make a fat profit.
Steve
Steve
> the kid has an allergy and you are trusting other people to make life and
> death decisions when their main skill is working with paints and
> papier-mache, and reading stories.
The staff that are supposed to be looking after your children are probably
more qualified to do so than anyone. They have studied at college to get
qualified. Food allergies etc are covered and staff are trained on this.
They should be 1st aid trained too. There should also be controls to who
feeds babies with allergies. This is an ideal world that parents beleive
happens, indeed they are told by the owners when the first look at a nursery
that it happens. It is what should happen. These people are paid poorly to
look after children so it isnt the money that motivates them most the time,
its the love of children that is why they are in the job.
But of course, in reality it doesnt work like this. Un-qualified, student or
volunteer staff are used to make up the ratios. Corners are cut and the kids
suffer.
Steve
Robbie
>Date: 13/08/04 22:31 GMT Daylight Time
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I wonder if the mothers of each of the children will make more effort to look
after the kids rather than palm them off to someone else?
I doubt it, even though they get more money per hour in Child Tax Credit than
the staff do in wages.
Robbie
Ancient One
With Bean and Blankett changing the law constantly to force more into the
workplace, you are hung if you do, you are hung if you don't.
Random, snap inspectins would do a lot to change nursery practices and force
the owners to comply to a base minimum of care and value.
And what happens also when programs go out that focus in such a way, it
scandalises all, not the minority.
The BBC used to show balancing evidence to make sure the viewer knew that it
was a very small minority of events and generally things were OK, however I
have noticed that the BBC has stopped balancing its programs and a viewer
could wrongly conceive that the state of those viewed nurseries is the state
of all nurseries.
AO
ddwyer
estroyjaimito.com> writes
>I don't have to discipline my child in such a manner, we all have our
>individual ways but I still say if I had seen my daughter treated so then I
>would have gone up the wall.
borrowing money, for premises, paying staff and installing all that
health and safety requires , 20 children say 800 child hours /week 2000
per week paid from parents does not provide an adequate child/supervisor
ratio.
This is the root of the problem.
Poor ratio , overworked supervises, underpaid supervisors.
Incidentally are supervisors allowed to cuddle and comfort children on
knee or is this now suspect behaviour.
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ddwyer
Steve Shires
> There's the rub though....
>
> With Bean and Blankett changing the law constantly to force more into the
> workplace, you are hung if you do, you are hung if you don't.
>
> Random, snap inspectins would do a lot to change nursery practices and force
> the owners to comply to a base minimum of care and value.
>
> And what happens also when programs go out that focus in such a way, it
> scandalises all, not the minority.
>
> The BBC used to show balancing evidence to make sure the viewer knew that it
I wish. Unfortunately this nursery happened to be in Stoke, part of
the 'arc of child abuse' that starts in Cheshire and runs through the
Welsh Border country to Bristol. Please see the sex scandals
associated with the West Midland care homes in this respect. Quite why
it does occupy that region I can't explain, but having had, through no
fault of my own, to live in North Shropshire for 20 years, I can
assure you that it does. Social attitudes are primed by the
exploitative people who run their social institutions of course
(remember the police officers suspended for sexually abusing Fred
West's kids) but that does not excuse the high level of tolerance
afforded to those who relieve their frustrations, sexual and
otherwise, on children in that area. In 1964 I witnessed children in
the Children's Ward of the Royal Hospital, Wolverhampton, being given
rohypnol (spelling?) by the staff to induce them to perform in a
degraded and uninhibited way. Even damaging and unwarranted surgery
was carried out in such places on minors who could not, of course,
complain. I myself survived such an assault, which others, I was
informed, had not. The surgeon, one O'Garra, tried to swear me to
secrecy since the damage had been caused at the request of my father.
Now try to guess whether that attempt worked.
It's just no good introducing the stock excuses every time this
happens. The tolerance of abuse that allowed the headmaster of St.
Leonards School, Bridgnorth to bugger the dirty arses of farm
labourers' sons, as and when he felt like it, just has to be faced up
to and dealt with. Otherwise it remains as a permanent, genetically
transmitted, virus and scar on an otherwise acceptable landscape.
Steve Shires.
Roger J. P. Jones
Shires <smshir...@yahoo.com> writes
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From a post of mine on UK LEGAL this AM:
In message <411d5c70...@news.btinternet.com>, Anon Poster
<nob...@ybodon.not> writes
>"The law of the land is the law of the Jew."
Well no he did not himself. But pointed to the very last words of a top
Jew's statement in the above fascinating input by the Poster.
The fact of the matter is humans by nature always look after family/
friends/ and those that can do them some good first. This is a fact of
life as naturally they are concerned regarding safety etc. etc.
This is understandable until it gets out of hand. As with now in the
UK!! With one tribe virtually taking over the two most important aspects
of society's life. "MONEY & JUSTICE".
I would very much like to know the % of the UK that are Jew's. Then the
% Judges etc. and Bankers etc. that are Jew's.
But I think I will never know given the number of Jew's in the press
etc..
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Roger J. P. Jones
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Roger J. P. Jones