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Ian
Apr 20, 2015, 1:23:10 PM4/20/15
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An upstairs neighbour has taken broadband service from virgin, who have
placed their cable across the front of my flat on a flowerbed in a front
garden which is exclusive to me.
This was done without any permission being requested, what is the usual
outcome of a complaint, I would prefer the cable not to be there and have no
interest in taking service from virgin
Ian
huLLy
Apr 20, 2015, 1:46:03 PM4/20/15
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Don
Apr 20, 2015, 1:46:33 PM4/20/15
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On 20/04/2015 18:23, Ian wrote:
>
>
> An upstairs neighbour has taken broadband service from virgin, who have
> placed their cable across the front of my flat on a flowerbed in a front
> garden which is exclusive to me.
>
That sounds like you don't own the land.
> placed their cable across the front of my flat on a flowerbed in a front
> garden which is exclusive to me.
>
Blue
Apr 20, 2015, 1:51:24 PM4/20/15
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On 20/04/2015 18:23, Ian wrote:
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>
Do you have kids running riot, screaming
and shouting, kicking footballs up your neighbours
walls and banging on their front doors every five minutes
driving them insane but you know nothing about it?
Mel Rowing
Apr 20, 2015, 1:51:42 PM4/20/15
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I have a similar situation. I have been informed that at sometime in the future a power cable will be ducted across my property. Unlike you I do not mind since this action will be part of the necessary to rid the village of unsightly overground power cables supported on poles.
steve robinson
Apr 20, 2015, 4:43:46 PM4/20/15
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your consent, they need a wayleave if yuo can't agree a wayleave may be
granted by a minister, however this isnt possible on domestic property.
Ian
Apr 20, 2015, 4:50:08 PM4/20/15
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Ian
Apr 20, 2015, 4:53:54 PM4/20/15
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Saturday I'm back there seems to be a banning teenage party above - so quite
the reverse
Blue
Apr 20, 2015, 5:13:39 PM4/20/15
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for a month or so, bouncers and so on.
Garage music loud till 5 in the morning.
That's when I went insane.
Well another insane.
notya...@gmail.com
Apr 21, 2015, 6:29:45 AM4/21/15
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On Monday, 20 April 2015 18:23:10 UTC+1, Ian wrote:
OTOH Virgin should have contacted you and made arrangements to avoid damage and / or reinstate the flower bed, but probably they just did not know that farmer Palmer lived downstairs.
Do not dig up or cut Virgn's cable - that would be criminal damage.
Mel Rowing
Apr 21, 2015, 7:14:37 AM4/21/15
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On Monday, 20 April 2015 21:43:46 UTC+1, steve robinson wrote:
"Electronic communications
The electronic communications code (the 'Code') sets out the powers enjoyed by authorised operators to install apparatus.
Code powers are generally conferred by written agreement with the occupier of land. The Code allows the operator to apply to the county court for an order dispensing with the need for agreement. The court may confer those rights on such terms (including the amount of compensation and consideration) as it considers would have been fair and reasonable if the agreement had been given willingly."
> Mel Rowing wrote:
> No company has the right to pass cables under your property without
> your consent, they need a wayleave if yuo can't agree a wayleave may be
> granted by a minister, however this isnt possible on domestic property.
http://tinyurl.com/nnn9q6w
> No company has the right to pass cables under your property without
> your consent, they need a wayleave if yuo can't agree a wayleave may be
> granted by a minister, however this isnt possible on domestic property.
"Electronic communications
The electronic communications code (the 'Code') sets out the powers enjoyed by authorised operators to install apparatus.
Code powers are generally conferred by written agreement with the occupier of land. The Code allows the operator to apply to the county court for an order dispensing with the need for agreement. The court may confer those rights on such terms (including the amount of compensation and consideration) as it considers would have been fair and reasonable if the agreement had been given willingly."
Mike Swift
Apr 21, 2015, 7:40:16 AM4/21/15
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In article <3a778dd4-7b78-434d...@googlegroups.com>,
notya...@gmail.com writes
feet underground through a garden, mine was more like 1.5 inches so when
I had my garden restructured the cable was broken, after an expensive
mobile call I finally got the overseas Virgin call centre guy to send
someone to mends it.
I was ready for a fight if they charged me but the tech said this
happened often and as they had not dug the cable deep enough there was
no charge.
Mike
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notya...@gmail.com writes
>OTOH Virgin should have contacted you and made arrangements to avoid
>damage and / or reinstate the flower bed, but probably they just did not
>know that farmer Palmer lived downstairs.
Virgin *should* do a lot of things, they should put cables at least 1.5
>damage and / or reinstate the flower bed, but probably they just did not
>know that farmer Palmer lived downstairs.
feet underground through a garden, mine was more like 1.5 inches so when
I had my garden restructured the cable was broken, after an expensive
mobile call I finally got the overseas Virgin call centre guy to send
someone to mends it.
I was ready for a fight if they charged me but the tech said this
happened often and as they had not dug the cable deep enough there was
no charge.
Mike
--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
Nick
Apr 21, 2015, 7:41:53 AM4/21/15
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On 21/04/2015 11:29, notya...@gmail.com wrote:
> Examine your title. It will undoubtedly have provision for access to upstairs and more importantly for pipes, wires, sewers ducts etc. (wayleaves) under or over your land (garden) to provide services to your neighbour - i.e. s/he is perfectly entitled to get Virgin.
>
> OTOH Virgin should have contacted you and made arrangements to avoid damage and / or reinstate the flower bed, but probably they just did not know that farmer Palmer lived downstairs.
>
> Do not dig up or cut Virgn's cable - that would be criminal damage.
Dig up? He didn't say they had buried it.
> Examine your title. It will undoubtedly have provision for access to upstairs and more importantly for pipes, wires, sewers ducts etc. (wayleaves) under or over your land (garden) to provide services to your neighbour - i.e. s/he is perfectly entitled to get Virgin.
>
> OTOH Virgin should have contacted you and made arrangements to avoid damage and / or reinstate the flower bed, but probably they just did not know that farmer Palmer lived downstairs.
>
> Do not dig up or cut Virgn's cable - that would be criminal damage.
My interpretation of what the OP said is that virgin have just laid a
cable, probably encased in a 2cm diameter bright green tube, across his
garden. That is the way I have seen them do it at other properties.
Private property is private property and should be respected many large
utility company do abuse the law in the knowledge that most people do
not have the will to tackle it via the courts. I think if the cable were
cut the boot would be on the other foot with Virgin unwilling to take it
via the courts.
Big Les Wade
Apr 21, 2015, 8:28:28 AM4/21/15
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Mel Rowing <mel.r...@btinternet.com> posted
>The Code allows the operator to apply to the county court for an order
>dispensing with the need for agreement.
This didn't happen in the OP's case either, unless such applications are
made ex parte, which seems unlikely.
>The court may confer those rights on such terms (including the amount
>of compensation and consideration) as it considers would have been fair
>and reasonable if the agreement had been given willingly."
Which suggests that the operator is obliged to at least try to reach
agreement with the landowner before going ahead. I wonder what is the
origin of this Code.
--
Les
>On Monday, 20 April 2015 21:43:46 UTC+1, steve robinson wrote:
>> Mel Rowing wrote:
>
>> No company has the right to pass cables under your property without
>> your consent, they need a wayleave if yuo can't agree a wayleave may be
>> granted by a minister, however this isnt possible on domestic property.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/nnn9q6w
>
>"Electronic communications
>
>The electronic communications code (the 'Code') sets out the powers
>enjoyed by authorised operators to install apparatus.
>
>Code powers are generally conferred by written agreement with the
>occupier of land.
Not in the OP's case.
>> Mel Rowing wrote:
>
>> No company has the right to pass cables under your property without
>> your consent, they need a wayleave if yuo can't agree a wayleave may be
>> granted by a minister, however this isnt possible on domestic property.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/nnn9q6w
>
>"Electronic communications
>
>The electronic communications code (the 'Code') sets out the powers
>enjoyed by authorised operators to install apparatus.
>
>Code powers are generally conferred by written agreement with the
>occupier of land.
>The Code allows the operator to apply to the county court for an order
>dispensing with the need for agreement.
made ex parte, which seems unlikely.
>The court may confer those rights on such terms (including the amount
>of compensation and consideration) as it considers would have been fair
>and reasonable if the agreement had been given willingly."
agreement with the landowner before going ahead. I wonder what is the
origin of this Code.
--
Les
Special Care
Apr 21, 2015, 9:46:34 AM4/21/15
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From the wording of the OP, it looks like he lives in a council-owned building, perhaps with four flats. Councils all over UK have already given permission to Virgin to do what was done there.
On the other hand, if he is owner of that garden, he had the option of telling the technicians they were trespassing, ordering them off his property, and if they didn't leave, grabbing them by the arm and pushing them off his property.
On the other hand, if he is owner of that garden, he had the option of telling the technicians they were trespassing, ordering them off his property, and if they didn't leave, grabbing them by the arm and pushing them off his property.
Ian
Apr 21, 2015, 11:35:46 AM4/21/15
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Nick wrote:
> On 21/04/2015 11:29, notya...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Examine your title. It will undoubtedly have provision for access to
>> upstairs and more importantly for pipes, wires, sewers ducts etc.
>> (wayleaves) under or over your land (garden) to provide services to your
>> neighbour - i.e. s/he is perfectly entitled to get Virgin.
I don't mind her getting virgin, I do mind a cable on the surface
> On 21/04/2015 11:29, notya...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Examine your title. It will undoubtedly have provision for access to
>> upstairs and more importantly for pipes, wires, sewers ducts etc.
>> (wayleaves) under or over your land (garden) to provide services to your
>> neighbour - i.e. s/he is perfectly entitled to get Virgin.
>>
>> OTOH Virgin should have contacted you and made arrangements to avoid
>> damage and / or reinstate the flower bed, but probably they just did not
>> know that farmer Palmer lived downstairs.
>>
>> Do not dig up or cut Virgn's cable - that would be criminal damage.
>
> Dig up? He didn't say they had buried it.
Buried as deep as 5cm in places
>> OTOH Virgin should have contacted you and made arrangements to avoid
>> damage and / or reinstate the flower bed, but probably they just did not
>> know that farmer Palmer lived downstairs.
>>
>> Do not dig up or cut Virgn's cable - that would be criminal damage.
>
> Dig up? He didn't say they had buried it.
>
> My interpretation of what the OP said is that virgin have just laid a
> cable, probably encased in a 2cm diameter bright green tube, across his
> garden. That is the way I have seen them do it at other properties.
>
> Private property is private property and should be respected many large
> utility company do abuse the law in the knowledge that most people do
> not have the will to tackle it via the courts. I think if the cable were
> cut the boot would be on the other foot with Virgin unwilling to take it
> via the courts.
Fraid its just a naked black cable
> My interpretation of what the OP said is that virgin have just laid a
> cable, probably encased in a 2cm diameter bright green tube, across his
> garden. That is the way I have seen them do it at other properties.
>
> Private property is private property and should be respected many large
> utility company do abuse the law in the knowledge that most people do
> not have the will to tackle it via the courts. I think if the cable were
> cut the boot would be on the other foot with Virgin unwilling to take it
> via the courts.
Mel Rowing
Apr 21, 2015, 3:33:09 PM4/21/15
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Mel Rowing
Apr 21, 2015, 4:09:51 PM4/21/15
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Criminal damage is just that where the other issue is a civil matter and as such a separate issue.
Scion
Apr 22, 2015, 5:12:32 AM4/22/15
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Nick put finger to keyboard:
Cable company salesman: "Want cable TV?"
Me: "Not particularly."
CCS: "Aw, go on, it's really good."
Me: "You'd have to dig up my driveway to lay the cable."
CCS: "We'll bury it in your neighbour's garden."
Me: "Don't think they'll take kindly to that."
CCS: "We'll do it when they're out."
Me: "Not particularly."
CCS: "Aw, go on, it's really good."
Me: "You'd have to dig up my driveway to lay the cable."
CCS: "We'll bury it in your neighbour's garden."
Me: "Don't think they'll take kindly to that."
CCS: "We'll do it when they're out."
Tough Guy no. 1265
Apr 22, 2015, 5:18:20 AM4/22/15
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Tough Guy no. 1265
Apr 22, 2015, 5:21:29 AM4/22/15
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Nick
Apr 22, 2015, 9:37:28 AM4/22/15
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proof, how would they prove who cut it or that it was intentional.
I have cut my own BT line before, digging up a plant. It certainly
wasn't intentional.
Mel Rowing
Apr 22, 2015, 10:11:11 AM4/22/15
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On Wednesday, 22 April 2015 14:37:28 UTC+1, Nick wrote:
> On 21/04/2015 21:09, Mel Rowing wrote:
> >> My interpretation of what the OP said is that virgin have just laid a
> >> cable, probably encased in a 2cm diameter bright green tube, across his
> >> garden. That is the way I have seen them do it at other properties.
> >>
> >> Private property is private property and should be respected many large
> >> utility company do abuse the law in the knowledge that most people do
> >> not have the will to tackle it via the courts.I think if the cable were
> On 21/04/2015 21:09, Mel Rowing wrote:
> >> My interpretation of what the OP said is that virgin have just laid a
> >> cable, probably encased in a 2cm diameter bright green tube, across his
> >> garden. That is the way I have seen them do it at other properties.
> >>
> >> Private property is private property and should be respected many large
> >> utility company do abuse the law in the knowledge that most people do
> >> cut the boot would be on the other foot with Virgin unwilling to take > >> it via the courts.
> >
> > I think you'd find they would!
> >
> > Criminal damage is just that where the other issue is a civil matter and > > as such a separate issue.
> >
>
> Sometimes I wonder what planet you are from. Criminal damage requires
> proof, how would they prove who cut it or that it was intentional.
>
> I have cut my own BT line before, digging up a plant. It certainly
> wasn't intentional.
No criminal damage remains criminal damage whether it can be proved or not. Murder remains murder whether the perpetrator is discovered or not.
> >
> > I think you'd find they would!
> >
> > Criminal damage is just that where the other issue is a civil matter and > > as such a separate issue.
> >
>
> Sometimes I wonder what planet you are from. Criminal damage requires
> proof, how would they prove who cut it or that it was intentional.
>
> I have cut my own BT line before, digging up a plant. It certainly
> wasn't intentional.
In any case, according to another poster the cable will be protected (as is usual for underground cables) making it extremely unlikely that it could be
accidentally cut unless it were cut with a mechanical digger or such.
You intervention seemed to me to amount almost to advice to interfere with the cable which would be most unwise. When in the right never seek to redress another's wrong by taking criminal action.
That's all!
notya...@gmail.com
Apr 23, 2015, 1:39:22 PM4/23/15
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On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 12:41:53 UTC+1, Nick wrote:
Ian
Apr 25, 2015, 12:09:58 PM4/25/15
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at the other end of the country have not been there to do so
notya...@gmail.com
Apr 28, 2015, 11:35:27 AM4/28/15
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Tough Guy no. 1265
Apr 28, 2015, 1:05:49 PM4/28/15
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:35:25 +0100, <notya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 22 April 2015 10:18:20 UTC+1, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:23:07 +0100, Ian <postm...@narian.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > An upstairs neighbour has taken broadband service from virgin, who have
>> > placed their cable across the front of my flat on a flowerbed in a front
>> > garden which is exclusive to me.
>> >
>> > This was done without any permission being requested, what is the usual
>> > outcome of a complaint, I would prefer the cable not to be there and have no
>> > interest in taking service from virgin
>>
>> Sounds like the complete opposite of Sky, who won't even touch a shared dish (even though they're the one's who put it there!)
>>
> On Wednesday, 22 April 2015 10:18:20 UTC+1, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:23:07 +0100, Ian <postm...@narian.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > An upstairs neighbour has taken broadband service from virgin, who have
>> > placed their cable across the front of my flat on a flowerbed in a front
>> > garden which is exclusive to me.
>> >
>> > This was done without any permission being requested, what is the usual
>> > outcome of a complaint, I would prefer the cable not to be there and have no
>> > interest in taking service from virgin
>>
>> Sounds like the complete opposite of Sky, who won't even touch a shared dish (even though they're the one's who put it there!)
>>
> Oh yes they will if it saves getting the ladders out for a high access, although that said some are probably such thick jobsworths that they can't even think their way around that.
It's the callcentre (that I used to work for) who won't send an engineer out if the dish is shared. They want all sorts of silly letters giving permission from the other users. And if you've got a landlord, forget it.
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