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>Somebody's having a bit of a pop at me and hiding their addy behind a
>PO BOX number.
>I know there's a way of doing finding out what's behind it but I can't
>remember - any assistance please?
Ask at the Royal Mail sorting office - they'll tell you the address
behind the PO Box
Brian
No they wont or shouldnt. Its a private box. RM wouldnt even tell you who
lived next door to you. The police would have to be involved surely.
>
>"bigbrian" <harr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:at8um1ljtd7pdt36f...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:33:48 GMT, Big Bill <kr...@cityscape.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Somebody's having a bit of a pop at me and hiding their addy behind a
>>>PO BOX number.
>>>I know there's a way of doing finding out what's behind it but I can't
>>>remember - any assistance please?
>>
>> Ask at the Royal Mail sorting office - they'll tell you the address
>> behind the PO Box
>>
>
>No they wont
They disagree with you. They can and do disclose the address behind
the PO Box
Brian
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Regards from Peter Crosland
>Somebody's having a bit of a pop at me and hiding their addy behind a
>PO BOX number.
>I know there's a way of doing finding out what's behind it but I can't
>remember - any assistance please?
>
>BB
Look up the postcode (e.g. on multimap.com) - this is often the 'real' postcode if the PO box is set
up to deliver to the owner, and will get you down to a few addresses.
"Disclosure of information
We reserve the right in all cases to give the address of the PO Box
holder, should it be requested."
You can only get a PO box for the delivery office that serves your home
- so that should thin it out a bit (apart from writing and asking the
Royal Mail)
The terms and conditions you sign when renting a PO Box state that the
owner address will be given to anyone who asks. If you don't believe me
just pop onto the RM website and download a PDF application form to see.
Why don't you ask them?
Depends who is behind the box number. Try getting the address of Security
International Group, for instance.
>
I already posted their address in an earlier response. Its really not
very difficult
Brian
Coo. Never heard that. Ta to all who responded.
Um. That doesn't actually mean it's mandatory that they should.
It means that if they want to, hey, you should be aware that they can.
>On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:51:56 +0000, Sharky <bi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>PeteZahut wrote:
>>> "bigbrian" <harr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:at8um1ljtd7pdt36f...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:33:48 GMT, Big Bill <kr...@cityscape.co.uk>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Somebody's having a bit of a pop at me and hiding their addy behind a
>>>>>PO BOX number.
>>>>>I know there's a way of doing finding out what's behind it but I can't
>>>>>remember - any assistance please?
>>>>
>>>>Ask at the Royal Mail sorting office - they'll tell you the address
>>>>behind the PO Box
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No they wont or shouldnt. Its a private box. RM wouldnt even tell you who
>>> lived next door to you. The police would have to be involved surely.
>>>
>>>
>>http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?catId=600006&mediaId=600043
>>
>> "Disclosure of information
>>
>>We reserve the right in all cases to give the address of the PO Box
>>holder, should it be requested."
>
>Um. That doesn't actually mean it's mandatory that they should.
>It means that if they want to, hey, you should be aware that they can.
In pracrtice they do, although certain kinds of business can apply to
have their details kept confidential if they're in a sensitive line of
work. In practice this can include companies such as wheel clamping
firms and animal experimentation companies who are likely to attract a
certain amount of what they would regard as unwelcome attention
Brian
>You can only get a PO box for the delivery office that serves your home
>- so that should thin it out a bit (apart from writing and asking the
>Royal Mail)
Is that true? I have never had the occasion to need a PO box in the
UK, but in other countries you could hire a PO box in any post office
that has them. You get issued a key that unlocks the box, and have to
physically go to the post office to check for your mail.
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Cynic
I've never known a PO Box that came with a key. IME (and I had
occasion to use one a few years ago) its a virtual address where (most
of the time - its not foolproof) mail addressed to a street address
can be redirected to a PO Box address, and mail addressed to the PO
Box address gets sent there. The mail then in the PO Box can be
collected at the sorting office, by the person holding the card issued
to the boxholder, rather than being delivered to the street address,
or delivered to the street address, as required.
Brian
There's one in our high street. It's a shop that supplies office
services like photocopying, fax bureau and Internet. It has several rows
of lockers that anyone can hire as post boxes. Mail is addressed to "PO
Box 99, Our High Street Office Services", and the box owner physically
collects it from the box with his key.
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PeteM
Whether or not Royal Mail could claim TM on PO Box might be debatable
and thus prevent anyone else calling this might be worth some debate, as
presumably at the moment, only Royal Mail can claim to run true Post
Offices?
Anyway, their hardly lockable boxes, they are usually just another
pidgeon hole in the reack with all the other mail holes for individual
addresses, maybe expanding to a sack on the floor for people who get
lots of mail!
>Cynic wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:53:34 +0000, Sharky <bi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You can only get a PO box for the delivery office that serves your home
>>>- so that should thin it out a bit (apart from writing and asking the
>>>Royal Mail)
>>
>>
>> Is that true? I have never had the occasion to need a PO box in the
>> UK, but in other countries you could hire a PO box in any post office
>> that has them. You get issued a key that unlocks the box, and have to
>> physically go to the post office to check for your mail.
>>
>Ok, you can only get a 'Royal Mail' PO box in your nearest sorting
>office, other companies offer to receive mail into 'PO' boxes - which
>may or may not need keys, and they may well not divulge owners
>information as per their own t+c's.
>
>Whether or not Royal Mail could claim TM on PO Box might be debatable
If you look at the first line of the "Overview" on this site, they
seem to think otherwise
http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400040&mediaId=600006
Brian
What authority would determine who is and who isn't entitled not to
have their identity revealed?
I think that's a private thing, not a RM thing.
According to the Royal Mail site I quoted above:
"Sensitive boxes
If you need your address to be fully private (for example, if you run a
women’s refuge centre, a rape crisis centre or if you’re a member of the
security forces), you’ll need to write to us explaining why, along with
a letter of endorsement from the police or a similar body. For more
information please contact 08457 950 950."
I don't know, but I would assume the RM have either some internal
guidelines, (or conceivably are bound by some legislation, although I
doubt that) as to what constitutes a "sensitive" address for the
purposes of such disclosure
Brian
>I've never known a PO Box that came with a key. IME (and I had
>occasion to use one a few years ago) its a virtual address where (most
>of the time - its not foolproof) mail addressed to a street address
>can be redirected to a PO Box address, and mail addressed to the PO
>Box address gets sent there. The mail then in the PO Box can be
>collected at the sorting office, by the person holding the card issued
>to the boxholder, rather than being delivered to the street address,
>or delivered to the street address, as required.
Different to the ones I had many years ago in that case. There was an
area of the post office that had many hundreds of locked boxes taking
up an entire wall. The back of each of the boxes was open, and formed
a wall in the sorting office. You always had to physically go to the
post office to collect your PO box mail.
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Cynic
That option still exists with the setup as I understand it, although
you don't - certainly at my sorting office, at least, I can't vouch
for others - get to go to the boxes yourself. I suppose the card
functions as a kind of key, in effect, but the boxes (or more likely
pigeonholes in a rack somewhere) are out of sight from the caller.
Brian
>>Different to the ones I had many years ago in that case. There was an
>>area of the post office that had many hundreds of locked boxes taking
>>up an entire wall. The back of each of the boxes was open, and formed
>>a wall in the sorting office. You always had to physically go to the
>>post office to collect your PO box mail.
>That option still exists with the setup as I understand it, although
>you don't - certainly at my sorting office, at least, I can't vouch
>for others - get to go to the boxes yourself. I suppose the card
>functions as a kind of key, in effect, but the boxes (or more likely
>pigeonholes in a rack somewhere) are out of sight from the caller.
Understood. The biggest advantage in the system I used was that the
part containing the boxes was separate to the main post office hall,
and was open all the time. So you could collect your mail outside
post office opening hours.
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Cynic
> No they wont or shouldnt. Its a private box.
This is a common misconception. PO Boxes do not, and never have done,
provide the type of anonymity that you apparently believe is so,
apart from under very specific circumstances.
Please see:
http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?catId=600006&mediaId=600043
In particular the sections entitled "Sensitive boxes" and "Disclosure
of information".
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Anthony Edwards
ant...@catfish.nildram.co.uk