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nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Jul 23, 2014, 6:53:58 PM7/23/14
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Wouldin you know it ,, from the same gall gal
wot toll us allo that shite about the Yorkshire Ripper..
Smutty was not the Ripper they allus knew that..
The Yorkshire riper case is unusual ,,
there is so much information printed and posted
for your on examination ,,
The letters in particiular..
require only one thing ..
People need to think for themselves..
I did ,,
and i found the truth,,
.........
Was tha voiceover girls name..??
..
Ill get it later no doubt..
/////////////
wot toll us allo that shite about the Yorkshire Ripper..
Smutty was not the Ripper they allus knew that..
The Yorkshire riper case is unusual ,,
there is so much information printed and posted
for your on examination ,,
The letters in particiular..
require only one thing ..
People need to think for themselves..
I did ,,
and i found the truth,,
.........
Was tha voiceover girls name..??
..
Ill get it later no doubt..
/////////////
nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Jul 23, 2014, 7:02:47 PM7/23/14
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On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:53:58 PM UTC+1, nuther
.....
Goin on about Peaches now..
...
> Ill get it later no doubt..
>
>
>
Got her name now,, Fiona Bruce,,
>
>
>
.....
Goin on about Peaches now..
...
nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Jul 23, 2014, 7:24:56 PM7/23/14
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She was clever with her handwriting..
A girly thing i did not appreciate..
But some of them are are rather good with handwriting..
As was the rippers wife,, protecting him and herself..
The constructed a false misleading idea of a Geordie..
All they did was go up there and persuade a Sunderland man
to read into a tape machine..
So godam simple the cops never thought pof it,,
look at the letters ,,
I have poste them here..
Clues were being given to the Police by the killers ..
Why oh why ,,
din nobodedy ever see that..
It is so obvious,,
and that the traail would lead the opposite way is obvious too..
..
Why else would the y bother ..
Scared them shitless wi the media
after tha we sixteen year old gasll
..
All get her name later ..
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nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Jul 23, 2014, 7:30:11 PM7/23/14
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On Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:24:56 AM UTC+1, nuther
Oopsems a forgot to post my links ,,
to letters
and
thinksums for yearsels,,
Goodlucken to yeas,,
..
It is all there to the best of my ability...
Take a hoss to water is an easy thing ,, mekinum thinkum ..
Different game altogether..
I know this is true ..
Evaluate the information for yourselves..
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/library/Offbeam%20Images?sort=6&page=2
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/library/Offbeam%20Images?sort=6&page=1
Oopsems a forgot to post my links ,,
to letters
and
thinksums for yearsels,,
Goodlucken to yeas,,
..
It is all there to the best of my ability...
Take a hoss to water is an easy thing ,, mekinum thinkum ..
Different game altogether..
I know this is true ..
Evaluate the information for yourselves..
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/library/Offbeam%20Images?sort=6&page=2
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/library/Offbeam%20Images?sort=6&page=1
nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Jul 25, 2014, 10:28:20 AM7/25/14
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On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:53:58 PM UTC+1, nuther..
Errm
Here is the latest news about the case..???
From the Oman Times,,
Perhaps they just trian tae make oor holidaymakers feel at home..
ore educatin Ahab intae oor western belief system ..
...
Oh what a Queer Madia controlled world we live in..
The Yorkshire ripper's reign of terror
BYWILLARD ROPER/TONY JAMES FEATURES | JULY 24, 2014
By the time he was caught, 13 women had been brutally murdered;
seven more savagely attacked and for nearly six years the people of
an English county lived in fear.
The fiend known as the Yorkshire Ripper was free and on the rampage.
But could at least three deaths and three attacks been prevented
if police hadn't been preoccupied in the summer of 1978 by one of
the cruellest deceptions in UK criminal history?
For over a year, police resources were switched from catching
////////the real killer ///
to looking for the man the press called the Geordie Ripper --
///a heartless hoaxer // ???
whose antics allowed the real killer to carry on his murder spree.
The Yorkshire Ripper's reign of terror started in October 1975
when 28-year-old mother of four Wilma McCann was found dead on
a piece of waste ground in the industrial city of Leeds.
She had been battered to death and also stabbed 14 times.
Within the next three months three more women had died violent
deaths in the Chapeltown area of Leeds and police realised
they were dealing with a serial murderer and threw four million
pounds of resources into the hunt for the man who was now known
throughout the world as the Yorkshire Ripper.
West Yorkshire's Assistant Chief Constable, George Oldfield was
chosen to spearhead the biggest murder inquiry Britain had
ever known.
Over the following months over 250,000 people were interviewed,
32,000 statements taken and five million car registrations checked.
Now over 300 police and detectives were working full-time on the
case -- and getting nowhere. Then George Oldfield thought he had
finally got the break he had prayed for.
In May 1978, nearly three years since the first murder, two letters
arrived in Yorkshire from Sunderland in north-east England.
One was addressed to George Oldfield, the other to the editor of
a Manchester newspaper and they purported to be from the killer.
The letters were kept secret while they were examined by experts,
but were known to contain information about the Ripper's victims.
And after traces of engineering oil, similar to that found on
the body of one of the victims, were apparently detected on the
letters, George Oldfield decided they were genuine.
At a sensational press conference, Oldfield read out the letters
and appealed to the public for information.
Thousands wrote or phoned but no definite leads were established
and just as Oldfield began to think his optimism had been
misplaced, the story took another spectacular twist when a
buff-coloured envelope arrived on his desk.
It was addressed in the Sunderland writer's now-familiar hand and
contained a cheap black cassette tape. Oldfield slotted the tape
into a cassette player and switched it on.
From the machine came a man's broad Geordie accent.
The message contained 257 words. If it was authentic it was one of
the most sensational clues in the history of UK crime detection.
Read More,,
http://www.timesofoman.com/News/37087/Article-The-Yorkshire-rippers-reign-of-terror
,,,,,,,,
I was looking through my old emales the other day and found one
from Mark Metcalf..
I had spoken to him on the phone,, he has a stutter..
His own website and has done some investigation with the
the "boy" wilmas son and claims to have been present when ron
warren was interviewed by No,,
Said summit about freddy anal too..
No whoever may that may be??
...
///
Errm
Here is the latest news about the case..???
From the Oman Times,,
Perhaps they just trian tae make oor holidaymakers feel at home..
ore educatin Ahab intae oor western belief system ..
...
Oh what a Queer Madia controlled world we live in..
The Yorkshire ripper's reign of terror
BYWILLARD ROPER/TONY JAMES FEATURES | JULY 24, 2014
By the time he was caught, 13 women had been brutally murdered;
seven more savagely attacked and for nearly six years the people of
an English county lived in fear.
The fiend known as the Yorkshire Ripper was free and on the rampage.
But could at least three deaths and three attacks been prevented
if police hadn't been preoccupied in the summer of 1978 by one of
the cruellest deceptions in UK criminal history?
For over a year, police resources were switched from catching
////////the real killer ///
to looking for the man the press called the Geordie Ripper --
///a heartless hoaxer // ???
whose antics allowed the real killer to carry on his murder spree.
The Yorkshire Ripper's reign of terror started in October 1975
when 28-year-old mother of four Wilma McCann was found dead on
a piece of waste ground in the industrial city of Leeds.
She had been battered to death and also stabbed 14 times.
Within the next three months three more women had died violent
deaths in the Chapeltown area of Leeds and police realised
they were dealing with a serial murderer and threw four million
pounds of resources into the hunt for the man who was now known
throughout the world as the Yorkshire Ripper.
West Yorkshire's Assistant Chief Constable, George Oldfield was
chosen to spearhead the biggest murder inquiry Britain had
ever known.
Over the following months over 250,000 people were interviewed,
32,000 statements taken and five million car registrations checked.
Now over 300 police and detectives were working full-time on the
case -- and getting nowhere. Then George Oldfield thought he had
finally got the break he had prayed for.
In May 1978, nearly three years since the first murder, two letters
arrived in Yorkshire from Sunderland in north-east England.
One was addressed to George Oldfield, the other to the editor of
a Manchester newspaper and they purported to be from the killer.
The letters were kept secret while they were examined by experts,
but were known to contain information about the Ripper's victims.
And after traces of engineering oil, similar to that found on
the body of one of the victims, were apparently detected on the
letters, George Oldfield decided they were genuine.
At a sensational press conference, Oldfield read out the letters
and appealed to the public for information.
Thousands wrote or phoned but no definite leads were established
and just as Oldfield began to think his optimism had been
misplaced, the story took another spectacular twist when a
buff-coloured envelope arrived on his desk.
It was addressed in the Sunderland writer's now-familiar hand and
contained a cheap black cassette tape. Oldfield slotted the tape
into a cassette player and switched it on.
From the machine came a man's broad Geordie accent.
The message contained 257 words. If it was authentic it was one of
the most sensational clues in the history of UK crime detection.
Read More,,
http://www.timesofoman.com/News/37087/Article-The-Yorkshire-rippers-reign-of-terror
,,,,,,,,
I was looking through my old emales the other day and found one
from Mark Metcalf..
I had spoken to him on the phone,, he has a stutter..
His own website and has done some investigation with the
the "boy" wilmas son and claims to have been present when ron
warren was interviewed by No,,
Said summit about freddy anal too..
No whoever may that may be??
...
///
Special Care
Jul 30, 2014, 7:02:19 AM7/30/14
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On Friday, 25 July 2014 15:28:20 UTC+1, nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> His own website and has done some investigation with the
> ...the "boy" wilmas son and claims to have been present when ron
>
> His own website and has done some investigation with the
> warren was interviewed by No,,
>
> Said summit about freddy anal too..
> No whoever may that may be??
>
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>
> Said summit about freddy anal too..
> No whoever may that may be??
>
Just from memory, the interview between Noel O'Gara and Ron Warren was recorded on the occasion of a major press conference which had been arranged in the Queen's HOtel (or Kings?) in Leeds in December 2004, to which many prominent people had been invited by Mr Noel O'Gara, and Tony Holland (now fredi...@gmail.com , who afterwards became obsessed with Billy Tracey's anus and Billy Tracey's dirty underpants....) was scheduled to speak to the British media in the Queens HOtel / Kings Hotel.. via video link from Australia.
Tony Holland has something to contribute, but one wonders where his loyalties lie..... he likes to play the clown, but what is his agenda..... well, we're just passing the time with such musings.... there are more important things to consider..... but since we can't do anything about the more important things, it's easier to entertain ourselves with thoughts about Billy Tracey's dirty underpants.........................
I was not there at that press conference in 2004. The impression I've got is that the press conference was sabotaged by stooges of the West Yorkshire Police and ended in disarray, and Tony Holland never got his five minutes of glory via video link....... but the interview with Ron Warren was the one benefit that came out of that affair.
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Yorkshire Ripper - Reality Check:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yrOXP1Lg97I4JYrY5JWsw7lK16eWMEk_D4KORue7w8U/edit?usp=docs_home
nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Jul 30, 2014, 6:40:33 PM7/30/14
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He told me that he was present..
He told me there is no point writing stuff,,
he has a family to support,, and cannot do that by writing articles
he cannot sell ..
He has to earn a living after all ..
Andso the truth was never told..
He thought there was some queer about the wilma case,,
Never got to the bottom of that,,
something about tire tracks
He has a bit of a stutter..
..
I think he is an honest guy..
....
Special Care
Aug 1, 2014, 10:24:23 AM8/1/14
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On Wednesday, 30 July 2014 23:40:33 UTC+1, nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
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The tyre tracks found near the scenes of some of the Yorkshire Ripper killings were a total irrelevancy because they might have belonged to anyone as courting couples used those locations.
As for Wilma, the sports field there at the back of Scott Hall Avenue is fenced off now, so no one can drive in. But in 1975 that place near Wilma's house was an ideal spot for courting couples from a different part of Leeds who couldn't afford a hotel or preferred to do it in the car.
Jim Hobson was the member of the team who was obsessed with making history as the man who caught the Yorkshire Ripper by chasing after matching tyres. It was a wild goose chase, one of many wrong directions the investigation took......
........
> I think Mark Metcalf is the name missing here,,
> He told me that he was present..
>
> He told me there is no point writing stuff,,
> he has a family to support,, and cannot do that by writing articles
> he cannot sell ..
> .........................
> He told me that he was present..
>
> He told me there is no point writing stuff,,
> he has a family to support,, and cannot do that by writing articles
> he cannot sell ..
>
> He thought there was some queer about the wilma case,,
> Never got to the bottom of that,,
> something about tire tracks
==========
> He thought there was some queer about the wilma case,,
> Never got to the bottom of that,,
> something about tire tracks
The tyre tracks found near the scenes of some of the Yorkshire Ripper killings were a total irrelevancy because they might have belonged to anyone as courting couples used those locations.
As for Wilma, the sports field there at the back of Scott Hall Avenue is fenced off now, so no one can drive in. But in 1975 that place near Wilma's house was an ideal spot for courting couples from a different part of Leeds who couldn't afford a hotel or preferred to do it in the car.
Jim Hobson was the member of the team who was obsessed with making history as the man who caught the Yorkshire Ripper by chasing after matching tyres. It was a wild goose chase, one of many wrong directions the investigation took......
nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Aug 3, 2014, 3:41:34 PM8/3/14
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It is their duty to discover and record all clues possible..
Tyre tracks have always been relevant clues,,
albiet they never matched them..
..
Take Wilma for instance,,
she was last seen as a staggering drunk
trying to grab a ride home,,
Trying to stop someone for a lift,
after a night out..
She nearly got home,, somehow..
that she did get a lift is a good possibility,,
Late at night she may have found a lift,,
Early in the morning,,
tyre tracks may have been found..
No record of them though in the books..
About Wilma,, but it does apply in other cases..
I think there was a mention of two posts on the path,
most cars could not get through..
Andso i am thinking back ..
Motorcycle and sidecar,,,
Reliant Rebel,,??
One does not know in the case of wilma,,
But, tyre tracks are highly relevant re other cases,,
If they had lifted the right man they might have been able
to match them..
Just part of the fog now..
but could have been of value..
Is the fiver part of the fog..
Would like an honest answer,,
it did come along after Jane hit the headlines after all ..
a two million Police investigation ,,
an then the nobs uptop started talking an interst..
No wonder they never got them..
One of them is still alive and accountable,,
It was her handwriting that can be positively identified
as the author of the Yorkshire ripper letters..
...
Took me quite a while to realise that ,,
Preconceived ideas blind you from the facts/evidence..
Media played so well for the cops ..
wot had it all wrong..
No wonder they got them..
One is still alive..
OOpsems thars anuther rolfie wull do im instead,,
///
Copperin is about social manipulation these days ,,
not doing murderess ,,
a woman..
Help ma Bob,,
we canna do her for that shes a wummin..
inna high profile case ,,
we got more imprtant things ,,
like trouser sniffers white panties an cotten socks
to put intae the national genda,,
gau awa wi the trut
we canna use it ..
Sort of reminds me of
Mark Metcalf
No point in writing stuff you canna print/sell
///////////
Are coppers now just shepherds..
an predation of sheeps to thae wolfe..
Naw we canna do that a woman is implicated ,,
sumbuddy is oot to save tha wurld wi wumminses..
Gied lucken tae yes wi that idea ..
..
It was a woman wrote the yokshire ripper letters..
I have seven of her letters..
Took me a while to understand though,,
just how good she was with we handwriting..
they published her third letter during the hunt ,,
it was her best effort,,
Its like the cops were working for them..
Is the fiver genuine or a coppers
pre-smutty construct..
it dosent matter ,,
it worked brilliantly for them.
..
..
Not PC is it ..
...
nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Aug 3, 2014, 4:37:55 PM8/3/14
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No wonder they never got them////
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Special Care
Aug 4, 2014, 7:49:24 AM8/4/14
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On Sunday, 3 August 2014 21:37:55 UTC+1, nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Oh will you behave yourself....
> > It is their duty to discover and record all clues possible..
> > Tyre tracks have always been relevant clues,,
>
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> > Oh will you behave yourself....
> > It is their duty to discover and record all clues possible..
> > Tyre tracks have always been relevant clues,,
>
They should have been recorded, yes. But Jim Hobson was putting vast amounts of time and money into trying to find a match, when the tyre imprints could have been other than the Ripper's.
The same applies to the shoeprints.... not the ones that were stamped on some of the victims, but if the shoeprints were on the ground nearby, again they could belong to a member of a courting couple, who usually get out of the car, to transfer to the back seat or to urinate...
Radicalised NHS Victim.
Aug 5, 2014, 10:57:13 AM8/5/14
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but why is it only you..
Nobody else can email me cept you..
Jim Hobson may have been working under the understanding that the
the killer was a local man,which was never going to give the result,,
The only two survivors of
genuine ripper attack's who were in a position to coment about their
attacker
They said
,,,,,,, "he was not a local man",,
He was from Cheshire..
wi a queer Cheshire accent,,
I knew the guy..
My cousin,,
.........
Special Care
Aug 7, 2014, 11:35:40 AM8/7/14
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On Tuesday, 5 August 2014 15:57:13 UTC+1, Radicalised NHS Victim. wrote:
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One of the survivors said Liverpool accent. I forget which. Yallop's book maybe, which is known for it's accuracy in quoting police sources.
Is that similar to Cheshire accent?
Regarding other people's reluctance to email you, despite the competence of your presentation on the subject.... don't forget the effect of the Gregg v. O'Gara juryless / appeal-less libel verdict, and the fact that its purpose had nothing to do with getting money out of Mr O'Gara and nothing to do with Constable Gregg's ego, but was only to intimidate and silence people in UK who have something to lose from a libel case against them.............
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> The only two survivors of
> genuine ripper attack's who were in a position to coment about their
> attacker
> They said
> ,,,,,,, "he was not a local man",,
>
> He was from Cheshire..
> wi a queer Cheshire accent,,
>
> I knew the guy..
> My cousin,,
>
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> genuine ripper attack's who were in a position to coment about their
> attacker
> They said
> ,,,,,,, "he was not a local man",,
>
> He was from Cheshire..
> wi a queer Cheshire accent,,
>
> I knew the guy..
> My cousin,,
>
One of the survivors said Liverpool accent. I forget which. Yallop's book maybe, which is known for it's accuracy in quoting police sources.
Is that similar to Cheshire accent?
Regarding other people's reluctance to email you, despite the competence of your presentation on the subject.... don't forget the effect of the Gregg v. O'Gara juryless / appeal-less libel verdict, and the fact that its purpose had nothing to do with getting money out of Mr O'Gara and nothing to do with Constable Gregg's ego, but was only to intimidate and silence people in UK who have something to lose from a libel case against them.............
nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Aug 7, 2014, 3:15:34 PM8/7/14
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On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:35:40 PM UTC+1, Special Care wrote:
> On Tuesday, 5 August 2014 15:57:13 UTC+1, Radicalised NHS Victim. wrote:
>
> ---
>
The only two survivors of
genuine ripper attack's who were in a position to comment about their attacker said
> On Tuesday, 5 August 2014 15:57:13 UTC+1, Radicalised NHS Victim. wrote:
>
> ---
>
The only two survivors of
>
,,,,,, "he was not a local man",,
>
> >
>
> > He was from Cheshire..
>
> > with a queer Cheshire accent,,
,,,,,, "he was not a local man",,
>
> >
>
> > He was from Cheshire..
>
>
> >
>
> > I knew the guy..
>
> > My cousin,,
>
> >
>
> ===================
>
> One of the survivors said Liverpool accent. I forget which. Yallop's book maybe, which is known for it's accuracy in quoting police sources.
>
> Is that similar to Cheshire accent?
I would not like to say,, Liverpools Scouse,,
> >
>
> > I knew the guy..
>
> > My cousin,,
>
> >
>
> ===================
>
> One of the survivors said Liverpool accent. I forget which. Yallop's book maybe, which is known for it's accuracy in quoting police sources.
>
> Is that similar to Cheshire accent?
the west midlands are full of regional accents,,
wel known for it i think,,
>
>
>
> Regarding other people's reluctance to email you, despite the competence of your presentation on the subject.... don't forget the effect of the Gregg v. O'Gara juryless / appeal-less libel verdict, and the fact that its purpose had nothing to do with getting money out of Mr O'Gara and nothing to do with Constable Gregg's ego, but was only to intimidate and silence people in UK who have something to lose from a libel case against them.............
also,, I have not checked my yahoo mail for months..
Somebody sent me a picture of Helen Rytkas grave..
if you are up there anytime ,,
love to have it verified,,
It would appear that
She has a tatty wooden cross in graveyard full of proper gravestones..
It was Marilyn Moore who said ,, and I take it as,,, maybe,, Liverpudlian,,
Her best guess, at an unfamiliar accent..
The Cheshire accent my cousin had was so strange on the ear,,
i can understand quite easliy it that way,,,
The most important point to take from this is that the
only two girls who sat in the car with him and talked
for a while,,,and survived...
Both of those surviving girls said that he was not a local man,,
A fair-haired or mousey haired man,,
..
Then there is Ryta,,,
She might be able to add to this but her full
recollections have not been made known...
Oldfield kept her under wraps..
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Special Care
Aug 9, 2014, 6:12:31 AM8/9/14
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On Thursday, 7 August 2014 20:15:34 UTC+1, nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
...............................
> Then there is Ryta,,, >
> She might be able to add to this but her full
> recollections have not been made known...
>
> Oldfield kept her under wraps..
>
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It was really the nuns who 'disappeared' Helen Rytka. The nuns felt guilty at not having been able to save her soul in the convent when she was in their care, so they tried again. They might have sent her abroad to one of their convents in Australia?
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==========================================
Regarding Marilyn Moore, it's on pages 152 et seq. of Yallop's book. She said her attacker had a Liverpool accent.
Although Yallop is credible with regard to police reports, some of what he wrote is pure invention.
He says he never interviewed Marilyn Moore because the police refused to pass on his message to her, even though she'd already talked to newspapers.
And yet Yallop recounts a detailed conversation between Marilyn and her attacker in the car. The police might have said a little to him, but this looks like David Yallop's fantasy, presented fact.
Also Yallop rearranges the geography of Chapeltown a bit. He has the attacker's car driving away from Spencer Place, then soon afterwards coming out of Scott Hall Street into Buslingthorpe Lane, which is unrealistic.
Even as a slip of the pen, this is not acceptable from a man claiming to be attempting a serious investigation into the Yorkshire Ripper killings. Yallop knew a large number of his readers would be familiar with the geography of Chapeltown.
Then on page 114, Yallop states that Jayne MacDonald, who lived near Wilma McCann in Scott Hall Avenue, witnessed Wilma leaving by her back door that last night of Wilma's life, because Jayne was out playing in the sports field that night in 1975 at age 15 .... that's 30th October, 1975, cold, late evening, a 15-year-old girl playing in a darkened sports field? .....Jayne herself being destined to be killed by the same man two years later..... I don't know... Yallop writes in such a way that you often suspect him of mixing in his own colourful fantasies with the facts, knowing his readers will not be in a position to check.... Maybe Yallop developed that inventive style in his earlier exposes of the dead pope and Carlos the Jackal, again knowing his readers would be unable to check.... But the geography of Chapeltown can be checked, and the strange direction Yallop gave to Marilyn Moore's journey makes readers feel uncomfortable with David Yallop in general.
Coincidentally I've just been reading this week's Private Eye magazine, which for entertainment purposes mixes fantasy and fact.
The guessing game is fun sometimes, deciding what is fact and what is fantasy in Private Eye magazine.
But we expect something better from 'The Greatest Investigative Writer in the World.'
==============================
...............................
> Then there is Ryta,,, >
> She might be able to add to this but her full
> recollections have not been made known...
>
> Oldfield kept her under wraps..
>
It was really the nuns who 'disappeared' Helen Rytka. The nuns felt guilty at not having been able to save her soul in the convent when she was in their care, so they tried again. They might have sent her abroad to one of their convents in Australia?
---------------------
==========================================
Regarding Marilyn Moore, it's on pages 152 et seq. of Yallop's book. She said her attacker had a Liverpool accent.
Although Yallop is credible with regard to police reports, some of what he wrote is pure invention.
He says he never interviewed Marilyn Moore because the police refused to pass on his message to her, even though she'd already talked to newspapers.
And yet Yallop recounts a detailed conversation between Marilyn and her attacker in the car. The police might have said a little to him, but this looks like David Yallop's fantasy, presented fact.
Also Yallop rearranges the geography of Chapeltown a bit. He has the attacker's car driving away from Spencer Place, then soon afterwards coming out of Scott Hall Street into Buslingthorpe Lane, which is unrealistic.
Even as a slip of the pen, this is not acceptable from a man claiming to be attempting a serious investigation into the Yorkshire Ripper killings. Yallop knew a large number of his readers would be familiar with the geography of Chapeltown.
Then on page 114, Yallop states that Jayne MacDonald, who lived near Wilma McCann in Scott Hall Avenue, witnessed Wilma leaving by her back door that last night of Wilma's life, because Jayne was out playing in the sports field that night in 1975 at age 15 .... that's 30th October, 1975, cold, late evening, a 15-year-old girl playing in a darkened sports field? .....Jayne herself being destined to be killed by the same man two years later..... I don't know... Yallop writes in such a way that you often suspect him of mixing in his own colourful fantasies with the facts, knowing his readers will not be in a position to check.... Maybe Yallop developed that inventive style in his earlier exposes of the dead pope and Carlos the Jackal, again knowing his readers would be unable to check.... But the geography of Chapeltown can be checked, and the strange direction Yallop gave to Marilyn Moore's journey makes readers feel uncomfortable with David Yallop in general.
Coincidentally I've just been reading this week's Private Eye magazine, which for entertainment purposes mixes fantasy and fact.
The guessing game is fun sometimes, deciding what is fact and what is fantasy in Private Eye magazine.
But we expect something better from 'The Greatest Investigative Writer in the World.'
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Special Care
Aug 9, 2014, 7:21:38 AM8/9/14
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On Saturday, 9 August 2014 11:12:31 UTC+1, Special Care wrote:
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> It was really the nuns who 'disappeared' Helen Rytka. The nuns felt guilty at not having been able to save her soul in the convent when she was in their care, so they tried again. They might have sent her abroad to one of their convents in Australia?
>
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Yeah I meant Rita Rytka, Helen's twin sister who was also a prostitute and was with Helen the night she was killed.
Tragically they thought they were safe with their system of taking the car number into which the other one stepped and making that clear to the driver.............. but then while Helen was waiting for Rita to return, Helen broke the rule, with disastrous consequences. The Yorkshire Ripper persuaded Helen to come into the timber yard for a 'quickie.'
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> It was really the nuns who 'disappeared' Helen Rytka. The nuns felt guilty at not having been able to save her soul in the convent when she was in their care, so they tried again. They might have sent her abroad to one of their convents in Australia?
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Tragically they thought they were safe with their system of taking the car number into which the other one stepped and making that clear to the driver.............. but then while Helen was waiting for Rita to return, Helen broke the rule, with disastrous consequences. The Yorkshire Ripper persuaded Helen to come into the timber yard for a 'quickie.'
nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Aug 9, 2014, 4:19:43 PM8/9/14
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It is interesting that they were working together,,
they were twins,,..
Try to imagine the time-line that night,,
Helen had gone into the woodyard,,
just before ,,Ryta returned.. she was a newby
at he job,,
It is very likely that her sister Rita was
was back on the street/road ..
While the Yorkshire ripper was engaged with her sister
only a few hundred yards away...
Something seriously went wrong with the Rippers adgenda that
night because he came back at great risk to himself
to hide her body and disperse her clothes..
....
Ryta Rytka knows something that has never been made known..
I am certain of this,, she most likely saw and spoke to the man ,,
he may even have tried for her too..
She was followed home and got scared stiff..
Didint report her sister's disappearance,
Pretty common denial of fact,,
But her sister did not reappear,,
I would like to know if she encountered any skinheads that night//
..
Understand better..
See my Folders,,
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/media/Helen%20Rytka%20Huddersfield/HelensCross.jpg.html?sort=6&o=1
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/media/Helen%20Rytka%20Huddersfield/HelensPlot.jpg.html?sort=6&o=2
.....
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/media/Helen%20Rytka%20Huddersfield/OldfieldandRita.jpg.html?sort=6&o=10
Rita saw something,,
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/media/Helen%20Rytka%20Huddersfield/YallopRytka.jpg.html?sort=6&o=19
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nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Aug 9, 2014, 4:46:00 PM8/9/14
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On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:35:40 PM UTC+1, Special Care wrote:
> On Tuesday, 5 August 2014 15:57:13 UTC+1, Radicalised NHS Victim. wrote:
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> ---
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> > The only two survivors of
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> > genuine ripper attack's who were in a position to coment about their
>
> > attacker
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> > They said
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> > ,,,,,,, "he was not a local man",,
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> >
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> > He was from Cheshire..
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> > wi a queer Cheshire accent,,
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> >
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> > I knew the guy..
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> > My cousin,,
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> One of the survivors said Liverpool accent. I forget which. Yallop's book maybe, which is known for it's accuracy in quoting police sources.
>
Both of the survivors who had spent time time with the man and survived
> On Tuesday, 5 August 2014 15:57:13 UTC+1, Radicalised NHS Victim. wrote:
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> ---
>
> > The only two survivors of
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> > genuine ripper attack's who were in a position to coment about their
>
> > attacker
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> > They said
>
> > ,,,,,,, "he was not a local man",,
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> >
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> > He was from Cheshire..
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> > wi a queer Cheshire accent,,
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> >
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> > I knew the guy..
>
> > My cousin,,
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> >
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> ===================
>
> One of the survivors said Liverpool accent. I forget which. Yallop's book maybe, which is known for it's accuracy in quoting police sources.
>
said he was not not a local man,,
That Marilyn said he was not local is also recorded in ,, Im Jack:
The very first book..
...
Maureen long did not make a guess
what she said was that he was not local
"He spoke funnily'
This was recorded,,
check my links she (maureen Long)told the police
he was not local..
......
The only two survivors who had spent time with their attacker
had told the Police ,,
He was not local,,
OK there were other survivors with memory of two words ,,
These girls,, the two I am on about
actually talked to him for a while,,
Ringing true to me..
..
and so I say check my links,,
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/library/Moureen%20and%20Marilyn?sort=6&page=1
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/media/Moureen%20and%20Marilyn/ALiverpudlian.jpg.html?sort=6&o=10
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/media/Moureen%20and%20Marilyn/YallopMarilyn.jpg.html?sort=6&o=4
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Not Local ..Kinsley...
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/media/Moureen%20and%20Marilyn/MarilynKinsley.jpg.html?sort=6&o=6
http://s867.photobucket.com/user/rupert-bear-2010/media/Moureen%20and%20Marilyn/NotLocal.jpg.html?sort=6&o=2
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nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Aug 9, 2014, 5:06:33 PM8/9/14
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On Saturday, August 9, 2014 9:46:00 PM UTC+1, nuther
Just as a side thought ,,
The way that the police handled the Yorkshire Ripper Case..
reflects on their view of the female in a relationship..
They thought, made their move
their best bet was that the woman would turn him in ..
What kindof thinking was that,,
..
She was never gonna turn him in ..
She wrote the letters,,
..
She
Probably was the last person to look into the living eyes of Miss Whitaker,,
....
Try and imagine the scene when they meade the tape,,
James Gibbons ,, pooe soul..
Ill bet she was the last one spoke to him,,
or maybe Pete,,
Said summit to him first..
it is a horror
that needs to be looked into..
...
Just as a side thought ,,
The way that the police handled the Yorkshire Ripper Case..
reflects on their view of the female in a relationship..
They thought, made their move
their best bet was that the woman would turn him in ..
What kindof thinking was that,,
..
She was never gonna turn him in ..
She wrote the letters,,
..
She
Probably was the last person to look into the living eyes of Miss Whitaker,,
....
Try and imagine the scene when they meade the tape,,
James Gibbons ,, pooe soul..
Ill bet she was the last one spoke to him,,
or maybe Pete,,
Said summit to him first..
it is a horror
that needs to be looked into..
...
Special Care
Aug 11, 2014, 10:06:13 AM8/11/14
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On Saturday, 9 August 2014 22:06:33 UTC+1, nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On Saturday, August 9, 2014 9:46:00 PM UTC+1, nuther
>
> On Saturday, August 9, 2014 9:46:00 PM UTC+1, nuther
>
> Try and imagine the scene when they meade the tape,,
>
> James Gibbons ,, pooe soul..
> Ill bet she was the last one spoke to him,,
>
> or maybe Pete,,
>
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> James Gibbons ,, pooe soul..
> Ill bet she was the last one spoke to him,,
>
> or maybe Pete,,
>
You've come this far. For the sake of completeness, do you want to state Pete's full legal name? He's dead, so he can't sue you.
You said 'only a woman could have persuaded a man to recite those words into a tape recorder.' (You say it was James Gibbons' voice on the tape.) ....
Well, not an absolute truth, but a woman certainly could have done it more easily, especially if she'd given a lonely man a bit of hanky panky the previous day, to whet his appetite for it, with the offer of more if he read that script into the recorder.... "just for a joke" .........
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People with knowledge of the geography of Chapeltown are irritated by the discrepancies. In one of the police reports you quoted, from Yallop's book, we have Marilyn being attacked in Scott Hall Street.... but the description of the attack scene is always of the grassy area near the bottom of Buslingthorpe Lane, where there is an entrance to a footpath leading toward Meanwood Valley Farm, and some steps leading up toward the playing field where Wilma's body was found. Scott Hall Street is further up the hill and has houses on both sides.
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About Rita Rytka, my impression is that she and Helen were 'in care' in a convent till age 16. The nuns were horrified at the damage to their reputation from the news that two girls had become prostitutes after leaving the care of the nuns. When the nuns took Rita under their wing it was not because they wanted the best for Rita; it was for damage limitation for nuns' reputation. And, in the interest of damage limitation, the nuns probably 'disappeared' Rita to another convent in Australia or Canada, as she would have been a continual embarrassment to the nuns if she'd stayed in England.
Hopefully Rita made a fresh start abroad and is doing well.
Knowing how cynical and twisted the nuns and priests and IRISH CHRISTIAN BUGGERS can be, they probably offered Rita a good start abroad on condition that she never spoke again about that terrible night in Huddersfield.
nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk
Aug 11, 2014, 12:49:59 PM8/11/14
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On Monday, August 11, 2014 3:06:13 PM UTC+1, Special Care wrote:
> On Saturday, 9 August 2014 22:06:33 UTC+1, nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
>
Try and imagine the scene when they made the tape,,
> On Saturday, 9 August 2014 22:06:33 UTC+1, nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
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>
>
> >
>
James Gibbons ,, poor soul..
>
> > Ill bet she was the last one spoke to him,,
> > Ill bet she was the last one spoke to him,,
> =======================
>
>
>
> You've come this far. For the sake of completeness, do you want to state Pete's full legal name? He's dead, so he can't sue you.
The very best handwriting match that i discovered,,
>
>
>
> You've come this far. For the sake of completeness, do you want to state Pete's full legal name? He's dead, so he can't sue you.
was a birthday card,, signed,,, Pete ESq.
it is an extraordinarily good match,, which is finished of
with a flourish, a tiny pair of dots with tails, like minature tadpoles
side by side,,lying horizontal on the page,, it is a personalised quirk
or trait if you like.. that can be found in the correspondence sent from Sunderland to Oldfield..
One very good rewplica of thes curious marks are on the envelope that
the tape arrived in,, the one that I call gumshoes glory,,
another pair of tadpoles can be seen just after Leeds,,
only this time they are vertical, not horizontal..
Lots of highly individual quirks and traits can be found,
flat top letters keep popping up as in "obvious reasons"
the first letter,,
The word Daily,, on the envelope to the Daily Mirror,,
see how the letter a is squared of at the top....
It took me quite a while to shake off my preconceived
ideas, belief,, that he, Pete, had written those letters,,
so that one signature was all that I had for quite a while..
It confirmed my suspicions but one signature was not a lot
I acquired a copy of their marriage certificate which did not
help matters,,The Preston recorder would not or could not
help me with a better copy..
You see,, that Geordie voice is such a powerful red herring,,
it is hard to go up against without something very substantial
indeed,,
The logic is that it is not Petes voice therefore it cannot be him,
and yet i had reasons to believe otherwise from way back in 1980,
it just tears you to bits,, one has always required one absolute
demonstrable fact.. and one signature was not quite enough
though it did clearly match the letters very well..
I had accuired good copy of the letters and envelopes from
Keith Brannen over a period of time i would go back and
ask for the envelopes..
The printed tape envelope lopked so dodgy right from the start,,
I focused on it,, its strange printing is obviously disguised
in some way, and yet within the envelope an easily identifiable voice
was given to very manhunt that sought the killer,,
A very curious puzzle,, which is why i named it gumshoes glory..
and then the other puzzle,, no one could identify the voice,,??
The very same logic that tore me to bits,, also broke the ripper case..
I could see the parallel problems, like two halves of a jigsaw.
they fitted together perfectly, with one piece missing,,
A dead mans voice has been in the back of my mind for many years,
it is the only solution, they were hunting a ruthless killer after all..
Why would he send them a copy of his own voice,, why could not find
that voice???
.
Any way back to the tape envelope,, printed on front
with from Jack the Ripper written inside..
Whosoever had sent it did not want it to be mistaken
or ignored,, was there not trace of blood again??
..
It ocured to me that it might have been two people printing
on the envelope,, and I scanned her letters into my pc,,as PDF..
Seven letters 76,78,79, Feb 79 is the best one ..
her hand was constantly changing and had many personal flourishes..
I was of course looking for capital letters at first and there
were identifiable quirks, but rather oddly inverted or upside down..
There are seven letters and if you dont look at the right ones,
her style was constantly changing,, i started to sense a familiar touch here and there,, it was the letter T,s that stood out so well,,
And when i started consciously examining the bulk of her writing
for quirks and traits ,, incredibly with only a minor shift in my expectations my beliefs,, I quite suddenly and unexpectedly discovered that I
had a mountain of proof.
She had written everything, and had also sighed his Pete ESq,
on that blessed card that automatically leads the wrong way..
And all of the letters and envelopes to Oldfield,,
That a woman wrote those ugly letters one does not come to
think that way easily,,
I have often stressed that the case evolved over time,
it takes time to understand,, that she will have needed time
to adjust,, and him ,, time ,, time time,, gaps and lulls in the case
more time as the case evolved..
I reckon the hi-profile media reaction after Jane put the wind up them
good and proper.. Yer, they had time to worry too,, though i doubt Pete
felt it the same as her,, a clever girl you know,,
she knew what she was doing, not some wincie little house-mouse
that was ever going to turn him in,, she was actively helping and
shielding him,, traveling with him for eghty ninty miles,
Halifax,,, damm im getting into the dark places again..
Curiously,, I soon found many good matches gradually developed a
deeper darker understanding of events,,
.......
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dcas...@yahoo.co.uk
Oct 8, 2017, 2:23:21 PM10/8/17
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> People with knowledge of the geography of Chapeltown are irritated by the discrepancies. In one of the police reports you quoted, from Yallop's book, we have Marilyn being attacked in Scott Hall Street.... but the description of the attack scene is always of the grassy area near the bottom of Buslingthorpe Lane, where there is an entrance to a footpath leading toward Meanwood Valley Farm, and some steps leading up toward the playing field where Wilma's body was found. Scott Hall Street is further up the hill and has houses on both sides.
Hello
Marilyn Moore was attacked behind the mill opposite Scott Hall Drive.
A clear comparison can be made with the building in the background on the following link:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.8149196,-1.5413804,3a,75y,162.26h,86.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFjWR5_GzYN_0OJ9HaUUPcA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
with the same building that appears when the staggeringly incompetent Dick Holland revisited the scene of the attack in the documentary, Manhunt: The Search for the Yorkshire Ripper.
Check out the link below and you can see it’s the same place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbNsY6j9xSc#t=22m11s
warriorp...@gmail.com
Jan 2, 2020, 9:42:23 PM1/2/20
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Rita was the only eye witness to the Ripper.
Rita stated that she had seen the guy who picked her sister up. She gave a photofit of him and being clean-shaven, smart and driving a "Blue Audi 100ls". Rita vanished as she is the only person to have seen the Ripper while he was in the process of killing someone.
The eye witness account of Rita was not of Peter Sutcliffe. This why she disappeared.
In the written confessions that Sutcliffe signed, I doubt he spoke them they were simply written for him. The confession states that Sutcliffe was driving a "Red Corsair" and spoke to Rita before picking up Helen.
Sutcliffe has O Blood group, while B Blood group was found on Helen Rykta's body.
Conclusion....
Rita Rykta did not eye witness Sutcliffe. If she did and if Sutcliffe had B Blood group they would not have needed a confession as they would have overwhelming evidence that Sutcliffe was the Ripper.
The "Ripper squad" did not disband until 1983, Sutcliffe went to prison in 1981. They were still clearly looking for the Ripper.
Sutcliffe murdered many men and women but he was NOT the Yorkshire Ripper.
Thank you.
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