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Ian Partridge
Mar 13, 2017, 10:56:36 AM3/13/17
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I have just added these comments to the Who Calls Me? web site. Maybe
helpful information if others receive these scam communications?
Fake "DWP Compensation Recovery Unit" document delivered by Royal Mail
postman this morning. Via UKMAIL postman was still outside and I asked what
it was ? and that I believed it was a scam letter. He said I should not have
opened it as it did not have my name on it. He seemed upset that I had
questioned receipt of this letter. The addressee: "Curtis Belmont" could
only be for a United States personage as that name is entirely uncommon in
the United Kingdom so the scammers are outside the UK.
The paper fake document looks extremely convincing but the buff colour is
wrong for DWP and also the size is not quite A4. Also ink platten marks
should not be present on DWP printed stuff.
I believe this fake DWP letter is a serious attempt to defraud by deceiving
recipients to ring a premium rate number / credit card details and UKMAIL
Royal Mail should not be delivering these.
Ian
helpful information if others receive these scam communications?
Fake "DWP Compensation Recovery Unit" document delivered by Royal Mail
postman this morning. Via UKMAIL postman was still outside and I asked what
it was ? and that I believed it was a scam letter. He said I should not have
opened it as it did not have my name on it. He seemed upset that I had
questioned receipt of this letter. The addressee: "Curtis Belmont" could
only be for a United States personage as that name is entirely uncommon in
the United Kingdom so the scammers are outside the UK.
The paper fake document looks extremely convincing but the buff colour is
wrong for DWP and also the size is not quite A4. Also ink platten marks
should not be present on DWP printed stuff.
I believe this fake DWP letter is a serious attempt to defraud by deceiving
recipients to ring a premium rate number / credit card details and UKMAIL
Royal Mail should not be delivering these.
Ian
The Todal
Mar 13, 2017, 11:34:04 AM3/13/17
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you give an idea of what text was in the letter - preferably, quoting
from it?
Ian Partridge
Mar 13, 2017, 12:08:06 PM3/13/17
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Well, first it has the wrong name but is sent my address?
I have had no accidents or planning to have any. And lived here for more
than the past six decades. The phone number given is "0191 22 52383" ?
"Date of Incident: 13/02/2017
Why I am writing to you
You have submitted a claim for compensation in relation to an
incident/injury that occurred on the above date. By law all claims to
compensation have to be registered Compensation Recovery Unit. "
This is about equal to the airmail chain letter of twenty years ago from two
evil Belgian nuns threatening disease and disaster if you do not pass the
letter on. When opened, it asks you to pick one of five symbols and anyone
choosing the same symbol that they specify inside may believe in the spell.
I know the DWP have a new policy for clients.
Ian
"The Todal" <the_...@icloud.com> wrote in message
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I have had no accidents or planning to have any. And lived here for more
than the past six decades. The phone number given is "0191 22 52383" ?
"Date of Incident: 13/02/2017
Why I am writing to you
You have submitted a claim for compensation in relation to an
incident/injury that occurred on the above date. By law all claims to
compensation have to be registered Compensation Recovery Unit. "
This is about equal to the airmail chain letter of twenty years ago from two
evil Belgian nuns threatening disease and disaster if you do not pass the
letter on. When opened, it asks you to pick one of five symbols and anyone
choosing the same symbol that they specify inside may believe in the spell.
I know the DWP have a new policy for clients.
Ian
"The Todal" <the_...@icloud.com> wrote in message
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Graham.
Mar 13, 2017, 12:37:30 PM3/13/17
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:07:30 -0000, "Ian Partridge"
<i...@ipartridge.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Well, first it has the wrong name but is sent my address?
>
> I have had no accidents or planning to have any. And lived here for more
>than the past six decades. The phone number given is "0191 22 52383" ?
>
>"Date of Incident: 13/02/2017
>
>Why I am writing to you
>
>You have submitted a claim for compensation in relation to an
>incident/injury that occurred on the above date. By law all claims to
>compensation have to be registered Compensation Recovery Unit. "
>
>This is about equal to the airmail chain letter of twenty years ago from two
>evil Belgian nuns threatening disease and disaster if you do not pass the
>letter on. When opened, it asks you to pick one of five symbols and anyone
>choosing the same symbol that they specify inside may believe in the spell.
>I know the DWP have a new policy for clients.
>
I'm not saying it's a scam or not, but just clarify this for me.
<i...@ipartridge.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Well, first it has the wrong name but is sent my address?
>
> I have had no accidents or planning to have any. And lived here for more
>than the past six decades. The phone number given is "0191 22 52383" ?
>
>"Date of Incident: 13/02/2017
>
>Why I am writing to you
>
>You have submitted a claim for compensation in relation to an
>incident/injury that occurred on the above date. By law all claims to
>compensation have to be registered Compensation Recovery Unit. "
>
>This is about equal to the airmail chain letter of twenty years ago from two
>evil Belgian nuns threatening disease and disaster if you do not pass the
>letter on. When opened, it asks you to pick one of five symbols and anyone
>choosing the same symbol that they specify inside may believe in the spell.
>I know the DWP have a new policy for clients.
>
You alerted visitors to whocalledme.com that a normal Newcastle number
is premium rate??
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
The Todal
Mar 13, 2017, 12:45:47 PM3/13/17
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On 13/03/2017 16:07, Ian Partridge wrote:
> Well, first it has the wrong name but is sent my address?
>
> I have had no accidents or planning to have any. And lived here for more
> than the past six decades. The phone number given is "0191 22 52383" ?
That's a valid CRU phone number.
> Well, first it has the wrong name but is sent my address?
>
> I have had no accidents or planning to have any. And lived here for more
> than the past six decades. The phone number given is "0191 22 52383" ?
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/cru#contact-cru
>
> "Date of Incident: 13/02/2017
>
> Why I am writing to you
>
> You have submitted a claim for compensation in relation to an
> incident/injury that occurred on the above date. By law all claims to
> compensation have to be registered Compensation Recovery Unit. "
something?
Ian Partridge
Mar 13, 2017, 12:53:10 PM3/13/17
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"Graham." <graham...@mail.com> wrote in message
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No. I did a web search for the number, and found it listed on Who Calls Me
by some others who have received similar letters who said it was a premium
rate number. All the comments refer to the number one searches for so I
assumed it was, having never wrung a PR number before.
Ian
"Graham." <graham...@mail.com> wrote in message
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by some others who have received similar letters who said it was a premium
rate number. All the comments refer to the number one searches for so I
assumed it was, having never wrung a PR number before.
Ian
Graham.
Mar 13, 2017, 12:56:44 PM3/13/17
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:37:28 +0000, Graham. <graham...@mail.com>
wrote:
Further to that 0191 225 2383 is a genuine DWP number and it's
difficult to see where the scam lies if there is one.
More likely is that an ""accident victim"" somewhere along the line
has given a fake name and address, the address part being yours.
If it was me, I would ring the DWP and ask them if they wrote the
letter, and explain the name is not yours.
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
wrote:
difficult to see where the scam lies if there is one.
More likely is that an ""accident victim"" somewhere along the line
has given a fake name and address, the address part being yours.
If it was me, I would ring the DWP and ask them if they wrote the
letter, and explain the name is not yours.
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Graham.
Mar 13, 2017, 12:58:56 PM3/13/17
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>> I'm not saying it's a scam or not, but just clarify this for me.
>>
>> You alerted visitors to whocalledme.com that a normal Newcastle number
>> is premium rate??
>>
>
>No. I did a web search for the number, and found it listed on Who Calls Me
>by some others who have received similar letters who said it was a premium
>rate number. All the comments refer to the number one searches for so I
>assumed it was, having never wrung a PR number before.
>
>Ian
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Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Ian Partridge
Mar 13, 2017, 1:04:59 PM3/13/17
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Well of course it asked for personal information since the name and address
are wrong. This is why I believe it to be a scam.
It does not ask 'me' to do anything
Ian
are wrong. This is why I believe it to be a scam.
It does not ask 'me' to do anything
Ian
Graham.
Mar 13, 2017, 1:19:21 PM3/13/17
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I think someone *is* pulling a fast one, but *not* the sender of this
letter.
I would be minded to chase it up, if only to ensure any deception
doesn't result in a marker on my credit reference.
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Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Ian Partridge
Mar 13, 2017, 1:19:37 PM3/13/17
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I can't see how an accident victim would give a fake name and address.
Possibly someone overseas has filled in an online claim?
Ian
Possibly someone overseas has filled in an online claim?
Ian
Altroy1
Mar 13, 2017, 1:35:27 PM3/13/17
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Ian Partridge wrote:
> I have just added these comments to the Who Calls Me? web site. Maybe
[...]
> I have just added these comments to the Who Calls Me? web site. Maybe
>
> I believe this fake DWP letter is a serious attempt to defraud by deceiving
> recipients to ring a premium rate number / credit card details and UKMAIL
> Royal Mail should not be delivering these.
No, No, No! I do not want Royal Mail adopting the role of a censor. Give
> I believe this fake DWP letter is a serious attempt to defraud by deceiving
> recipients to ring a premium rate number / credit card details and UKMAIL
> Royal Mail should not be delivering these.
them power to censor letters deemed scams then slippery slope to other
censorship. I have had trouble getting legitimate, personal email
delivered because miscreants such as btinterntet deem the email client I
use not satisfactory by reason that my email fails to include certain
headers deemed by them needed to show my personal and specifically
addressed email is not spam. Down the slippery slope to more and more
hoops to prove who you are and supply evidence that your letter is not a
scam and your email is not spam.
No to censorship. No problem at all with Royal Mail attaching a warning
note or a red warning sticker. No problem with educating people about
scammers and how they work. Neither Royal Mail or anyone else has any
business unilaterally deciding what is or is not a scam letter. At least
they should have the decency to advise recipients that they have refused
to deleiver a letter they deem inappropriate. I have an email provider
that refuses to deliver notifications from an internet forum I am a
member of because it deems the messages "spam". It does so silently.
That isnt anti spam it is censorship and not at all acceptable to any
notion of a free society.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
Graham.
Mar 13, 2017, 1:47:47 PM3/13/17
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:19:09 -0000, "Ian Partridge"
I don't know why either, that's why I would ring them.
The CRU are in the business of clawing back money that the state is
entitled to, that may have been paid out by an insurance company.
Presumably that insurance company had the claimants correct name &
address.
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Graham.
%Profound_observation%
The CRU are in the business of clawing back money that the state is
entitled to, that may have been paid out by an insurance company.
Presumably that insurance company had the claimants correct name &
address.
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Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Mr Pounder Esquire
Mar 13, 2017, 1:52:53 PM3/13/17
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The Todal
Mar 13, 2017, 4:12:45 PM3/13/17
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them to search for your benefits history - so your National Insurance
Number would be the main thing.
If the request relates to someone else the sensible thing is to tell the
CRU that no such person resides at your address. You could even notify
them by email to save the cost of a phone call. I think the CRU do an
excellent job, saving public money. And I can't imagine how any "scam"
could involve getting any money from you.
Graham.
Mar 13, 2017, 4:15:23 PM3/13/17
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Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Ian Partridge
Mar 15, 2017, 2:24:17 AM3/15/17
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> Graham.
OK. The telephone number is genuine. I have faxed them with the reference
and notified of their address error and returned to sender.
However, as I mentioned in my original post, the letter had ink marks from
platten rollers and the paper was not of the quality used by DWP. Someone
who worked for DWP in the past examined it and told me that the numbers and
addresses are all genuine ones, but questions why they would send out a
photocopy? and says paper used should be higher quality.
Ones using the WhoCallsMe? website are expressing concern over worrying
letters received from a DWP department they have never heard of, concerning
accident claims they were unaware of.
Could it be ambulance-chasing insurance agents passing on names and
addresses and phone numbers from long past incidents for commission?
Ian
OK. The telephone number is genuine. I have faxed them with the reference
and notified of their address error and returned to sender.
However, as I mentioned in my original post, the letter had ink marks from
platten rollers and the paper was not of the quality used by DWP. Someone
who worked for DWP in the past examined it and told me that the numbers and
addresses are all genuine ones, but questions why they would send out a
photocopy? and says paper used should be higher quality.
Ones using the WhoCallsMe? website are expressing concern over worrying
letters received from a DWP department they have never heard of, concerning
accident claims they were unaware of.
Could it be ambulance-chasing insurance agents passing on names and
addresses and phone numbers from long past incidents for commission?
Ian
The Todal
Mar 15, 2017, 6:58:26 AM3/15/17
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>
> Ones using the WhoCallsMe? website are expressing concern over worrying
> letters received from a DWP department they have never heard of, concerning
> accident claims they were unaware of.
>
> Could it be ambulance-chasing insurance agents passing on names and
> addresses and phone numbers from long past incidents for commission?
best position to discover how the fraud works.
A person makes a personal injury claim, giving a false address. Maybe it
isn't a real person, just a scammer hoping to get a quick payment from
an insurance company for an accident that never happened to anybody. To
avoid detection, maybe the claimant is said to be an American who hasn't
claimed any benefits in the UK. The DWP would feel obliged to write to
the claimant to verify that fact.
I hope the staff at the DWP don't regard it as none of their business to
detect fraudulent claims. Unfortunately if you were to ask the DWP to
tell you the identity of the compensator (eg a motor insurer) so that
you could write to the compensator with your concerns, I'm sure the DWP
would say that they couldn't tell you because of data protection.
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