Who is entitled to know your National Insurance number?
Mark Denne
What is the law (if any) that governs who may or may not require you to disclosure your national insurance number. Who may lawfully require you to disclose your NI number?
-Mark
David Swarbrick
In article <358CCFF4...@newvision.co.uk>, Mark Denne
<m...@newvision.co.uk> writes
>What is the law (if any) that governs who may or may not require you to
>disclosure your national insurance number. Who may lawfully require you to
>disclose your NI number?
Every solicitor from whom you request legal aid, for one.
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'damn fine webbery"
Jon Rouse
David Swarbrick wrote:
>
> In article <358CCFF4...@newvision.co.uk>, Mark Denne
> <m...@newvision.co.uk> writes
> >What is the law (if any) that governs who may or may not require you to
> >disclosure your national insurance number. Who may lawfully require you to
> >disclose your NI number?
>
> Every solicitor from whom you request legal aid, for one.
Whilst on the subject of NI numbers, is there any logic to the numbers and
letters?
--
The views expressed are my own and may not represent those of my employer
Barry Traish
Mark Denne wrote
> What is the law (if any) that governs who may or may not require you
> to disclosure your national insurance number. Who may lawfully require
> you to disclose your NI number?
It partly depends what you want. If you want to claim a state benfit,
you have to tell the government. I suspect the taxman has a right to
know under their other powers of investigation. I don't see that the
police would.
Jon Rouse <rou...@it.postoffice.co.uk> writes
>Whilst on the subject of NI numbers, is there any logic to the numbers and
>letters?
The format is 2 letters, 6 numbers and A, B, C or D. No check digits or
anything. Certain letter combinations are very common and others do not
occur at all. The final ABCD may effect your benefit payday.
Incidently, many people do not actually know their NINO.
--
Barry Traish, just another civil servant....
David Swarbrick
In article <JGdYcEAX...@concentric.demon.co.uk>, Barry Traish
<Ba...@concentric.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>Incidently, many people do not actually know their NINO.
As one who has no idea what mine is - I have it written down somewhere
'safe', I am constantly amazed at the number of people who do know it by
heart.
Claire Hodgson
David Swarbrick wrote in message ...
>As one who has no idea what mine is - I have it written down >somewhere
'safe', I am constantly amazed at the number of people >who do know it by
heart.
That's why we learn our numbers! we all know about the !safe place! that can
never be found again.
I had to learn mine to get my pay in the previous job!
Barry Traish
Dave Mayall <may...@postoffice.co.uk> writes
>The current series of numbers begins with J, starting with JA 00 00 00
>which would have been issued to someone born in late 1973/early 1974.
>It will run through to JZ 99 99 99.
>Prior to 1937 there seems to be little order, L T and K
>are all common in the early 30's, but A,B,C,H and T all
>appear. In the 1910's and 20's the same letters appear,
>with the addition of R,S and E.
Hmmm.... a very detailed explanation although it doesn't exactly match
up with my experience of NINO processing. The explanation is probably
that it was intentioned to be an ordered system but ran amuck. JB and JC
are by far the most common start digits for the people I deal with (the
recently deceased, mostly born in the 1910's and 20's). These may have
been issued to people who did not know their NINOs in the 1970's. I will
check back with more information tomorrow.
>The dates don't always match, as some people end up
>with numbers issued late, which would seem to be for a
>much younger person.
Indeed. NINO's starting TN are all Temporary Numbers, by the way.
--
Barry Traish
Alan Pascoe
Mark Denne wrote:
>
> What is the law (if any) that governs who may or may not require you to disclosure your national insurance number. Who may lawfully require you to disclose your NI number?
If anyone can require you to disclose your National Insurance number,
does it matter? Your National Insurance number is no secret. Certainly
for anyone born within the last thirty years or so, the NI number
appears on birth certificates, and these are freely available to the
public.
--
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Simon D. Matthews
>
> Mark Denne wrote:
Certainly
> for anyone born within the last thirty years or so, the NI number
> appears on birth certificates, and these are freely available to the
> public.
Not so. I just looked at 2 of my kids' birth certificates. No boxes for
NI numbers. No NI numbers on the certificate.
>
> --
> Alan Pascoe | Useful Links: http://home.clara.net/apascoe/
> | PGP public keys on Web-site and pgp.net server.
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Barry Traish
Alan Pascoe <apa...@clara.co.uk> writes
>for anyone born within the last thirty years or so, the NI number
>appears on birth certificates, and these are freely available to the
>public.
I have my birth certficate to hand. I am 27, but it only has my NHS
number. The two are quite separate.
--
Barry Traish
Joy Hilbert
Jim <nob...@nowhere.com> writes
>Huh? I thought you got your NI # allocated at your first job, not when
>you are born.
>
I thought you got it when you were 16 - I did - or when you get a work
permit, if you weren't born here.
--
Joy Hilbert
Barry Traish
dec...@zetnet.co.uk writes
>I know mine and my NHS number too. Can you remember your vehicle's
>registration number and the birth dates of your children? :-)
Have you memorised you PGP key too?
Dave Mayall
Barry Traish wrote:
>
> Dave Mayall <may...@postoffice.co.uk> writes
> >The current series of numbers begins with J, starting with JA 00 00 00
> >which would have been issued to someone born in late 1973/early 1974.
> >It will run through to JZ 99 99 99.
> >Prior to 1937 there seems to be little order, L T and K
> >are all common in the early 30's, but A,B,C,H and T all
> >appear. In the 1910's and 20's the same letters appear,
> >with the addition of R,S and E.
>
> Hmmm.... a very detailed explanation although it doesn't exactly match
> up with my experience of NINO processing. The explanation is probably
> that it was intentioned to be an ordered system but ran amuck. JB and JC
> are by far the most common start digits for the people I deal with (the
> recently deceased, mostly born in the 1910's and 20's). These may have
> been issued to people who did not know their NINOs in the 1970's. I will
> check back with more information tomorrow.
Probably issued to people who never had one, never having worked, but
needed one to draw a widows pension. (Remember the dates are birth
dates, so JB/JC weren't *issued* until the late 1980's.
Also, there are/were a very small number of NI numbers around in an
obsolete format;
29E######
30E######
Where # is numeric.
Perhaps these have finally been replaced?
> >The dates don't always match, as some people end up
> >with numbers issued late, which would seem to be for a
> >much younger person.
>
> Indeed. NINO's starting TN are all Temporary Numbers, by the way.
Yes, and a Temporary number also ends with M or F instead of A-D,
and contains your date of birth.