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jon doe 3000

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Sep 7, 2002, 4:28:16 AM9/7/02
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Hi

This may sound like a silly question but what law would it be breaking
to send shit in the post by royal mail or by a courier?

Thanks

Jon

Dark Angel

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Sep 7, 2002, 5:12:49 AM9/7/02
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> This may sound like a silly question but what law would it be breaking
> to send shit in the post by royal mail or by a courier?
>

Well I get tons of the stuff coming thru' my letter box every day but I just
throw it straight in the bin!

Seriously though, for legal or health reasons, there are certain items the
Post Office cannot send. They may return the items listed below to the
sender, or dispose of them.

Details of goods are as follows:

Aerosols
Butane lighters (filled or refills)
Dry ice
Most living creatures
Poisons
Alcoholic beverages with an alcoholic content greater than 70%
Clinical and medical waste
Environmental waste (which will probably include faeces)
Matches (including safety matches)
Radioactive materials
Asbestos
Corrosives (dyes, sulphuric acid)
Explosives
Paints, varnishes and enamels
Toxic and dangerous substances
Batteries
Drugs prohibited for general use
Foreign lottery tickets
Pesticides


Peter Crosland

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Sep 7, 2002, 7:03:44 AM9/7/02
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Yes it is against the Royal Mail rules and the law.

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Neil Monk

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Whilst not stated "you cannot send shit through he post", the list that
"Dark Angel" has posted below is a list [though not exhaustive] of what you
cannot send through the post. "Dark Angel" says that "They may return the
items listed below to the sender, or dispose of them." However, on top of
this, they may take legal action against the sender of the item (if known),
as they have broken the law.
HTH's
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Dark Angel

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Sep 7, 2002, 8:22:42 AM9/7/02
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> Whilst not stated "you cannot send shit through he post",

It's probably included under the heading of 'Environmental waste'.


Anon Poster

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On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:12:49 +0100, "Dark Angel" <gu4...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>> This may sound like a silly question but what law would it be breaking
>> to send shit in the post by royal mail or by a courier?

>Seriously though, for legal or health reasons, there are certain items the


>Post Office cannot send. They may return the items listed below to the
>sender, or dispose of them.

There are provisions for sending biological specimens (and some toxic
and hazardous substances) via specialist courier companies for
legitimate purposes such as medical, scientific or forensic analysis.
The firms usually require a special declaration to be made by the
sender.

AFAIK the Post Office does not participate in such schemes.

Neil Monk

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I think that you can obtain a licence from us to send such things, don't
quote me though.

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SMB-C

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You need to ask which says a great deal about your mentality or lack of it.


Neil Monk

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or could it not be the fact that he needs to know for legitimate reasons, or
what if he "just wondered". If i didn't work for Consignia Plc, I'm sure i
may have thought at some point "is it illegal to send ________through the
post?".

Trust No One

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"jon doe 3000" <jondo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> This may sound like a silly question but what law would it be breaking
> to send shit in the post by royal mail or by a courier?
>

I'm sure I've watched a BBC programme not that long ago where people with a
particular ailment had to send regular samples of their stool to a medical
laboratory to be tested.

The person being featured in the programme was sent a special container
which they then stuck in the post.

So I guess the sending of faeces through the post is legal in certain
circumstances.

I've had instances of "thieving posties" in the past. I'd love to see the
miscreant's face if they appropriated such a package. *chuckle*

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Anon Poster

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Sep 7, 2002, 2:18:49 PM9/7/02
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 16:11:28 GMT, "Neil Monk"
<neil...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>I think that you can obtain a licence from us to send such things, don't
>quote me though.

For the US a fairly straightforward declaration under the US Customs'
Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) will pass the parcel smoothly.

Come to think of it, I got a stool sample for profiling at a lab in
North Carolina via FedEx/TSCA not long ago.

Peter Crosland

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Sep 7, 2002, 2:35:04 PM9/7/02
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Fair comment re medical samples. I was not aware there was an exemption for
them. Reference to the Post Office Guide at any Post Office would give a
definitive answer. I rather suspected that the original poster had something
else in mind. Anyone contemplating such an act would do well to remember
that DNA sampling could be used to identify the culprit.
g6...@hotmail.com


Anon Poster

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Sep 7, 2002, 3:21:18 PM9/7/02
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On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:35:04 +0100, "Peter Crosland" <g6...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Anyone contemplating such an act would do well to remember
>that DNA sampling could be used to identify the culprit.
>g6...@hotmail.com

DNA profiling might provide the profile of a (human) product
manufacturer but certainly won't identify the 'culprit' who posted the
product per se.

In fact, the profile will only identify the manufacturer in terms of a
statistical probability valid only for unrelated individuals.

Neil Monk

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Is shit not prohibited under the IATA prohibitions list??

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Anon Poster

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Sep 7, 2002, 5:13:23 PM9/7/02
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 20:30:34 GMT, "Neil Monk"
<neil...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>Is shit not prohibited under the IATA prohibitions list??

I don't recall ever being asked to take an enema before flying.

half_pint

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Depends whether you put a stamp on it, put it in an envelope or put an address
on it. If you don't put an address on it your basically wasting your time.

Alasdair Baxter

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Sep 7, 2002, 7:09:11 PM9/7/02
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 20:30:34 GMT, "Neil Monk"
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>Is shit not prohibited under the IATA prohibitions list??

Don't most passengers and crew have it in their bowels?
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Sep 7, 2002, 7:12:00 PM9/7/02
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On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:12:49 +0100, "Dark Angel" <gu4...@hotmail.com>
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>Batteries

But most small electronic items like calculators, radios etc have
batteries in them. They are freqently delivered by Royal Mail from
mail order houses.

Tamas Gyursanszky

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Sep 7, 2002, 7:42:57 PM9/7/02
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On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:12:49 +0100, Dark Angel <gu4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Details of goods are as follows:
>
> Aerosols
> Butane lighters (filled or refills)
> Dry ice
> Most living creatures
> Poisons
> Alcoholic beverages with an alcoholic content greater than 70%
> Clinical and medical waste
> Environmental waste (which will probably include faeces)
> Matches (including safety matches)
> Radioactive materials
> Asbestos
> Corrosives (dyes, sulphuric acid)
> Explosives
> Paints, varnishes and enamels
> Toxic and dangerous substances

> Batteries

Christ! The definition must be more specific
than that..

I can understand that sending lead acid
batteries should be a no-no, but surely
they've not prohibited the mailing of
lithium button cells?

Otherwise, I've broken the law scores of times..


> Drugs prohibited for general use

> Foreign lottery tickets

what?!

> Pesticides

Paul C. Dickie

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Sep 7, 2002, 9:19:11 PM9/7/02
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In article <v5le9.3555$cb7.28...@news-text.cableinet.net>, Neil Monk
<neil...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes

>Whilst not stated "you cannot send shit through he post", the list that
>"Dark Angel" has posted below is a list [though not exhaustive] of what you
>cannot send through the post. "Dark Angel" says that "They may return the
>items listed below to the sender, or dispose of them." However, on top of
>this, they may take legal action against the sender of the item (if known),
>as they have broken the law.

In other words, not only might one get one's shit back again, but one
might find one has dropped oneself right in it...

I believe there are exceptions; biological samples (including stool
samples) could once be sent by post, provided they were labelled as such
and provided they were packaged securely, with the sample(s) in approved
container(s).

There is also the question of whether or not certain alleged works of
art could be sent by post; q.v. Manzoni's celebrated "Merda d'artista"
(http://tinyurl.com/13j8, http://tinyurl.com/13j9)

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Paul C. Dickie

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Sep 7, 2002, 9:20:41 PM9/7/02
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In article <3d7a...@news.zen.co.uk>, Trust No One <dana....@usa.net>
writes

>I'm sure I've watched a BBC programme not that long ago where people with a
>particular ailment had to send regular samples of their stool to a medical
>laboratory to be tested.
>
>The person being featured in the programme was sent a special container
>which they then stuck in the post.

If the top came off, I'm sure it would "stick in the post"...

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Paul C. Dickie

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Sep 7, 2002, 9:21:30 PM9/7/02
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In article <aldgsp$90a$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Crosland
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Even if they'd sent dog poo?

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Anon Poster

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Actually yes. Canine STR PCR multiplexes are commercially available.
Dog breeders use them to determine paternity and pedigree. I think
most, if not all, domestic mammals can be DNA typed these days.

Sheep-shaggers beware!

The Guv'nor

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Thanks for the warning - I'll tell the lads back at the Station :)
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JohnJo

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Sep 8, 2002, 3:08:48 AM9/8/02
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Well plenty of people post shit to uk.legal

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jon doe 3000

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Sep 8, 2002, 4:32:48 AM9/8/02
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Hi


>
> Seriously though, for legal or health reasons, there are certain items the
> Post Office cannot send. They may return the items listed below to the
> sender, or dispose of them.
>
> Details of goods are as follows:

> Environmental waste (which will probably include faeces)


> Matches (including safety matches)
> Radioactive materials

Thanks for the reply. Is it safe to assume the same for courier firms?

Thanks

Tony Gallagher

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Sep 8, 2002, 4:36:23 AM9/8/02
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I went to the Post Office on Saturday to send $100.00 (2 X $50 notes)
by registered and recorded delivery to Taiwan only to be told that
this is illegal.
Can anyone confirm this and tell me the reason why,
Regards,
Tony.

Dark Angel

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Sep 8, 2002, 6:51:49 AM9/8/02
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Some countries have an embargo on exporting/importing their own/another
nations currency [delete as appropriate]. I don't know if there are any
restrictions of exporting $ to Taiwan or them importing it.

I once went across to East Berlin before the velvet revolution in 1989, and
brought back a pocketful of East German Marks. When I showed them to the
West Berlin people I was staying with they were most alarmed and said if I'd
have been caught at the border I would have gone to jail. I don't know how
real this was or if they were pulling leg.


Neil Monk

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"Tamas Gyursanszky" <hung...@freemail.hu> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:12:49 +0100, Dark Angel <gu4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Details of goods are as follows:
<snip>

> > Foreign lottery tickets
>
> what?!
<snip>
Well, did you know its prohibited to send playing cards to Spain?!!!

Neil Monk

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Sep 8, 2002, 7:51:32 AM9/8/02
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"Tony Gallagher" <tony.ga...@jet.uk> wrote in message
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There are a lot of weird prohibitions/restrictions on what you can send to
other countries. I think a lot of the time the reasons for not being able to
send banknotes/coins may come down to how secure the postal system is in
that country. No doubt clever b*st*rd will come along and rip that comment
apart, but we shall see.

I know of the top of my head it's prohibited to send cash to Australia, even
by the International Registered service.

Mark W

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"jon doe 3000" <jondo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> This may sound like a silly question but what law would it be breaking
> to send shit in the post by royal mail or by a courier?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jon

It depends if the recipient is expecting it! I think we need to know your
reason for asking.


Chimp

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Sep 8, 2002, 1:14:41 PM9/8/02
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"jon doe 3000" <jondo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> This may sound like a silly question but what law would it be breaking
> to send shit in the post by royal mail or by a courier?

I'd like to see my tosspot postman nick that parcel heheh
I've been having CD's go missing for weeks, it must be him


Chimp

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"Dark Angel" <gu4...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Whilst not stated "you cannot send shit through he post",
>
> It's probably included under the heading of 'Environmental waste'.

OK so they don't allow it, but does that make it a crime??
I know somebody who bubble wrapped and parcel farced a dead pigeon once to
another shop in the chain that I used to work for
Most amusing

Chimp

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"JohnJo" <john...@netscapenospam.net> wrote in message
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> Well plenty of people post shit to uk.legal

LOL classic


Bob Brenchley.

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On 7 Sep 2002 01:28:16 -0700, jondo...@hotmail.com (jon doe 3000)
wrote:

>Hi
>
>This may sound like a silly question but what law would it be breaking
>to send shit in the post by royal mail or by a courier?
>

>Thanks
>
>Jon

Depends on how and why you send it.

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On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:12:49 +0100, "Dark Angel" <gu4...@hotmail.com>
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>Most living creatures

says nothing about dead ones! What would happen if I sent a fresh
herring through the post office?

David Husband

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In message <74e7d845.02090...@posting.google.com>, jon doe
3000 <jondo...@hotmail.com> writes

>Hi
>
>This may sound like a silly question but what law would it be breaking
>to send shit in the post by royal mail or by a courier?

Under some circumstances doing what you suggest may fall foul of the
Protection from Harassment Act 1997

http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/1997040.htm
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[I am not a lawyer; I am posting from uk.legal and I might be wrong!]

jon doe 3000

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Sep 9, 2002, 2:22:25 PM9/9/02
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Okay guys i'll level with you and tell you why i want to know. I had
this
idea for a website where for only £2.99 you could have shit sent to a
designated address. There would be an option for coloured shit as well
as texture (runny hard you get the picture). why would someone want to
do this? Have you ever complained to a company only to have it fall on
deaf ears? Or always wanted to get back an ex girlfreind who dumped
you. Now as others have pointed out it may be illegal to do this and
it could also be classed as harassment but if anyone can think of how
this could be done legally please let me know. Also would it be
illegal to send items which smelt and looked like shit but actually
we'rent?

Unfourtanetly someone has already bought sendshit.com but i'm still on
the lookout for suitable domain names.


Thanks

ps this is not a joke but an actual idea for an original website which
may event generate a large amount of income.

Colin Wilson

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Sep 9, 2002, 2:38:42 PM9/9/02
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> ps this is not a joke but an actual idea for an original website which
> may event generate a large amount of income.

...Or large lawsuits from the unfortunate people who get to open your
excreta, who, no doubt, will not be the intended target. Perhaps you`ll
get sued for PTSD - post traumatic shit disorder...

If it`s anything like the place I work, it`s the security guard, who
works for a subcontracted company, who gets to open all mail.

Can you guarantee that the "product" you send will not pose a health risk
to the recipient, ie. hepatitis. etc ?

David Husband

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Sep 9, 2002, 2:48:11 PM9/9/02
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>Okay guys i'll level with you and tell you why i want to know. I had
>this
>idea for a website where for only £2.99 you could have shit sent to a
>designated address.

It is a crap idea....

OTOH, it could go down a storm with the SCAT aficionado's !!

> There would be an option for coloured shit as well
>as texture (runny hard you get the picture). why would someone want to
>do this? Have you ever complained to a company only to have it fall on
>deaf ears? Or always wanted to get back an ex girlfreind who dumped
>you. Now as others have pointed out it may be illegal to do this and
>it could also be classed as harassment but if anyone can think of how
>this could be done legally please let me know.

This business could have some community benefits -- low paid or
unemployed persons could work at home supplying the raw material for
you...

High class people could supply "premium grade" "vitamin-enriched"
material...

> Also would it be
>illegal to send items which smelt and looked like shit but actually
>we'rent?

Hmmm, if you develop a "shit extract" like vanilla extract, perhaps you
should take out a patent ?

>Unfourtanetly someone has already bought sendshit.com but i'm still on
>the lookout for suitable domain names.

Sendshit.cc was still available at www.nic.cc when I looked a moment
ago...

>Thanks
>
>ps this is not a joke but an actual idea for an original website which
>may event generate a large amount of income.

Somebody told me that sending a box of shit wrapped in a beautiful box
with a lovely ribbon is a form of insult in some Asian countries. I
don't know how true that is...

David Husband

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Sep 9, 2002, 3:06:15 PM9/9/02
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In message <MPG.17e6fb0dd...@news.cis.dfn.de>, Colin Wilson
<btiru...@btinternet.com> writes

>> ps this is not a joke but an actual idea for an original website which
>> may event generate a large amount of income.
>
>...Or large lawsuits from the unfortunate people who get to open your
>excreta, who, no doubt, will not be the intended target. Perhaps you`ll
>get sued for PTSD - post traumatic shit disorder...

LOL -- Classic ! Thanks...

>If it`s anything like the place I work, it`s the security guard, who
>works for a subcontracted company, who gets to open all mail.

Very common...

>Can you guarantee that the "product" you send will not pose a health risk
>to the recipient, ie. hepatitis. etc ?

Perhaps to certain clients, a guarantee that it would pose a health risk
would be much more attractive...

David Husband

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In message <prqpnuoqqj2j2m0st...@4ax.com>, Anthony R. Gold
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Newsgroups: uk.legal
Subject: Re: is it illegal to send shit in the post
From: Anthony R. Gold <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk>
Date: 09 September 2002 19:48:10
Reply-To: ne...@tgold.users.panix.com

Newsgroups: uk.legal
Subject: Re: is it illegal to send shit in the post
From: David Husband <Da...@uhfonaq.bet.hx>
Date: 09 September 2002 19:48:11

Beaten by 1 second !

Alasdair Baxter

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On 9 Sep 2002 11:22:25 -0700, jondo...@hotmail.com (jon doe 3000)
wrote:

>Okay guys i'll level with you and tell you why i want to know. I had


>this
>idea for a website where for only £2.99 you could have shit sent to a
>designated address. There would be an option for coloured shit as well
>as texture (runny hard you get the picture). why would someone want to
>do this? Have you ever complained to a company only to have it fall on
>deaf ears? Or always wanted to get back an ex girlfreind who dumped
>you. Now as others have pointed out it may be illegal to do this and
>it could also be classed as harassment but if anyone can think of how
>this could be done legally please let me know. Also would it be
>illegal to send items which smelt and looked like shit but actually
>we'rent?

Was there not a farmer in Morpeth who, a year or two back, sprayed the
front of the Castle Morpeth Council offices with pig manure. I cannot
remember the outcome but I feel sure he was convicted of something.

The trouble is that in the present climate of anthrax envelopes etc.,
the authorities are not going to see the funny side of practical
jokes. On the other hand, I don't know how much effort they'd put
into trying to trace the producer of a turd sent anonymously through
the post. I imagine that finding and tracing the producer's DNA could
be quite a costly business

Paul C. Dickie

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Sep 9, 2002, 11:40:13 PM9/9/02
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In article <sI2vhQ9L...@p-v.bet.hx>, David Husband
<Da...@uhfonaq.bet.hx> writes

>Somebody told me that sending a box of shit wrapped in a beautiful box
>with a lovely ribbon is a form of insult in some Asian countries.

Whereas it wouldn't be if the package were to be tied with string?

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Donna Richards

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On Saturday, September 7, 2002 at 9:28:16 AM UTC+1, jon doe 3000 wrote:
> Hi
> This may sound like a silly question but what law would it be breaking
> to send shit in the post by royal mail or by a courier?
> Thanks
> Jon
I sent dog shit to a scammer in the post... they signed for it. Very satisfying
Go for it, just don't put a return address!
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