Trouble in paradise

[Yellow]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715

"A number of Brexit-backing MPs walked out of a private meeting of the
Commons Brexit Select Committee in protest at a report they claimed was
"too gloomy".

A source said Labour chairman Hilary Benn had tried to "bounce" members
into agreeing a 155-page report into the government's Brexit White
Paper.

According to the source, there had been no consultation on the
committee's report - drawn up after a number of evidence sessions held
in Parliament - before Mr Benn put it forward to a vote.

Committees are often split along party lines and in some cases have been
known to publish "minority reports" where a faction disagree with the
majority view on an issue."

[Ian Jackson]

In message <MPG.33447f2c1...@News.Individual.NET>, Yellow
<no...@none.com.invalid> writes

>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715
>
>"A number of Brexit-backing MPs walked out of a private meeting of the
>Commons Brexit Select Committee in protest at a report they claimed was
>"too gloomy".

Maybe reality is beginning to dawn?

>

>

>

>
>

--
Ian

[harry]

No, the remoaners never give up.
Real shit-fer-brains.

[Yellow]

In article <15wJLjBx...@brattleho.plus.com>,
ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.co.uk says...

Did you even bother to read the rest?

[Ian Jackson]

In message <MPG.33449d98b...@News.Individual.NET>, Yellow
<no...@none.com.invalid> writes

Yes - but it's essentially just a wish-list.
--
Ian

[Yellow]

In article <wml4cOAk...@brattleho.plus.com>,

ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.co.uk says...
>
> In message <MPG.33449d98b...@News.Individual.NET>, Yellow
> <no...@none.com.invalid> writes
> >In article <15wJLjBx...@brattleho.plus.com>,
> >ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.co.uk says...
> >>
> >> In message <MPG.33447f2c1...@News.Individual.NET>, Yellow
> >> <no...@none.com.invalid> writes
> >> >
> >> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715
> >> >
> >> >"A number of Brexit-backing MPs walked out of a private meeting of the
> >> >Commons Brexit Select Committee in protest at a report they claimed was
> >> >"too gloomy".
> >>
> >> Maybe reality is beginning to dawn?
> >
> >Did you even bother to read the rest?
>
> Yes - but it's essentially just a wish-list.

What wish list?

The article is about a claim that a paper has been published by a
committee without a discussion with all the committee members.

[Vidcapper]

How can 'reality dawn' when no-one can know how the consequences of
Brexit will turn out?



--

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

[Ian Jackson]

In message <_NICA.611009$w46.2...@fx39.am4>, Vidcapper
<vidca...@yahoo.co.uk> writes

Whattya mean "No-one can know how the consequences of Brexit will turn
out"? It's going to be great. It's going to be fantastic. [Or so the
Brexiteers keep telling us.]
>
>
>

--
Ian

[pullgees]

Too bad, snowflakes hate risk but any venture entails risk and the risk of remaining is greater, but they are blind to the mess it is in. Anyway Brexit would have been a landslide victory if we had had a Labour Government in charge, as the remoaners are more concerned about our politics than actually staying in the EU. They are in constant trauma of the possibility of another Tory government without the EU. That's the truth of it.

[Yellow]

In article <3LXp3qAv...@brattleho.plus.com>,
ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.co.uk says...

Actually that is what, ironically, remoaners keep telling us.

[tim...]

"Ian Jackson" <ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3LXp3qAv...@brattleho.plus.com...

if everybody pulls together it will be

If it isn't you have the remoaners to blaim for that

tim

[Ian Jackson]

In message <MPG.33459f6d3...@News.Individual.NET>, Yellow
<no...@none.com.invalid> writes

But when an arch-Brexiteer says "no-one can know how the consequences of
Brexit will turn out", don't you wonder if maybe we are not actually
quite right?
--
Ian

[Ian Jackson]

In message <obg4vk$fuh$1...@dont-email.me>, tim...
<tims_n...@yahoo.com> writes

That rather sounds like buck-passing - ie if Brexit is a success, it
will all down to the wisdom and foresight of the Brexiteers, while if it
fails, it will be because the Remoaners wouldn't stop pointing out the
obvious problems.

However, the negotiations are now in the hands of the Fab Four (Theresa,
Boris, David and Liam). I doubt if anything that anyone on the sidelines
says now will deflect them from their goal.
>
>

--
Ian

[The Todal]

It depends what you mean by that.

Theresa will try to buck-pass and delegate the negotiations to someone
else who can take the blame when things go wrong. Boris, David and Liam
have very limited skills. They can "front" the negotiations but they
rely heavily on a huge team of civil servants and lawyers.

I suppose Theresa might say "deliver a Brexit deal or you're fired" and
I suppose there may be many firings of civil servants for a while but we
will eventually come to a point where they have to choose between
accepting a bad deal, reversing Brexit or negotiating an extention of
time. The last of these options is most likely to be chosen. We won't be
out by 2020. Or by 2025. We certainly won't choose a hard Brexit with no
deal, because the Treasury will be warning the government that this will
spell disaster.

[R. Mark Clayton]

On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 13:36:47 UTC+1, The Todal wrote:
> On 29/03/2017 13:26, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > In message <obg4vk$fuh$1...@dont-email.me>, tim...
> > <tims_n...@yahoo.com> writes
> >>

SNIP

> >
> > However, the negotiations are now in the hands of the Fab Four (Theresa,
> > Boris, David and Liam). I doubt if anything that anyone on the sidelines
> > says now will deflect them from their goal.

They should remember what happened to Michael Collins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_(Irish_leader)#Death
or Boris's great granddad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kemal#Death

>
> It depends what you mean by that.
>
> Theresa will try to buck-pass and delegate the negotiations to someone
> else who can take the blame when things go wrong. Boris, David and Liam
> have very limited skills. They can "front" the negotiations but they
> rely heavily on a huge team of civil servants and lawyers.
>
> I suppose Theresa might say "deliver a Brexit deal or you're fired" and
> I suppose there may be many firings of civil servants for a while but we
> will eventually come to a point where they have to choose between
> accepting a bad deal, reversing Brexit or negotiating an extention of
> time. The last of these options is most likely to be chosen. We won't be
> out by 2020. Or by 2025. We certainly won't choose a hard Brexit with no
> deal, because the Treasury will be warning the government that this will
> spell disaster.

Boris even said the same until his cynical [but unsuccessful] U-turn on the road to Downing Street. Most all other serious economic forecasters said the same before the referendum, but by a small majority the electorate were fooled into voting Leave.

[tim...]

"R. Mark Clayton" <notya...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7db66547-8baf-4f48...@googlegroups.com...

> On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 13:36:47 UTC+1, The Todal wrote:
>> On 29/03/2017 13:26, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> > In message <obg4vk$fuh$1...@dont-email.me>, tim...
>> > <tims_n...@yahoo.com> writes
>> >>
> SNIP
>> >
>> > However, the negotiations are now in the hands of the Fab Four
>> > (Theresa,
>> > Boris, David and Liam). I doubt if anything that anyone on the
>> > sidelines
>> > says now will deflect them from their goal.
>
>
> They should remember what happened to Michael Collins
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_(Irish_leader)#Death

you've got to be joking

you really think that some Remoaning Lib Dem (as just one example) is going
to arrange to gun Teresa down as she drives (is driven) down some narrow
country lane one day?

tim

[R. Mark Clayton]

Not literally [of course] however the three blind mice have been set up to have their tail cut off with a carving knife by the farmer's wife (May) as we will probably see. Any odds on which one goes first?

[Handsome Jack]

The Todal <the_...@icloud.com> posted

>
>I suppose Theresa might say "deliver a Brexit deal or you're fired" and
>I suppose there may be many firings of civil servants for a while but
>we will eventually come to a point where they have to choose between
>accepting a bad deal, reversing Brexit or negotiating an extention of
>time. The last of these options is most likely to be chosen. We won't
>be out by 2020. Or by 2025. We certainly won't choose a hard Brexit
>with no deal, because the Treasury will be warning the government that
>this will spell disaster.
>

How extraordinary that you are able to predict the future. Could you
cite some of your previously published predictions that have come true
so that we can check your record?

--
Jack

[harry]

True but we know the consequences of staying

[Yellow]

In article <ek1o2t...@mid.individual.net>, the_...@icloud.com
says...

29 March 2019 - we will be out of the EU. Mark my words.

[Yellow]

In article <c9618ff6-9c1b-4b9e...@googlegroups.com>,
notya...@gmail.com says...

Being Foreign Secretary seems to be keeping Boris well busy so will he
have anything to do with Brexit? Directly?

[Pelican]

Is the date important? Either way, the UK is not calling the shots.
The UK will take what the EU gives.

[Yellow]

In article <obhbsg$um0$1...@dont-email.me>, water-
bi...@sea.somewhere.org.ir says...

29 March 2017 + 2 years = 29 March 2019.

> Either way, the UK is not calling the shots.
> The UK will take what the EU gives.

I believe A50 says 2 years unless all members of the EU agree to extend.

[Vidcapper]

Which is exactly why the majority voted to get out.


--

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

[Vidcapper]

Only if it is acceptable to us.

--

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

[The Todal]

Boris's job is to crack jokes and to taunt the other European ministers.
He's our version of Lord Haw-Haw.

[The Todal]

I shall certainly remind you of your words, if I've remembered them in
April 2019 when a deal is still a distant hope.

[tim...]

"The Todal" <the_...@icloud.com> wrote in message
news:ek3uvr...@mid.individual.net...

she didn't say there WOULD be a deal by then

she said that we would be out by then

Look, none of us want to leave without a deal, but that is entirely within
the EU's hands. If they think that by delaying an argument we will change
our minds, I like to think that they will find that it doesn't work.

And the sooner that they get that message the better

tim

[Dan S. MacAbre]

pamela wrote:

> "No consultation before being put to a vote".
>
> Reminds me of Trump's healthcare failure which, like Brexit, emerged
> from over-enthusaistic campaign promises.
>

I wouldn't like to guess at any of Trump's motives. He's either crazy,
or very devious. I'm not sure which, but he has made a lot of money (of
course, crazy people can make money, too; but I'm still waiting).

His campaign promises got him elected, but who has any idea whether he
really expected to be able to deliver on them? I can't believe he
didn't expect to meet massive amounts of resistance. But he now is able
to blame someone else for their failure, which I think a lot of it is
about. Getting people to talk about things that had never been talked
about before, and exposing which side everyone is on. I think it's best
to not worry about it too much, and enjoy the unfolding spectacle.

[Martin Brown]

On 30/03/2017 12:23, pamela wrote:

> On 15:55 28 Mar 2017, Ian Jackson wrote:
>
>> In message <MPG.33447f2c1...@News.Individual.NET>,
>> Yellow <no...@none.com.invalid> writes
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715
>>>
>>> "A number of Brexit-backing MPs walked out of a private meeting
>>> of the Commons Brexit Select Committee in protest at a report
>>> they claimed was "too gloomy".
>>
>> Maybe reality is beginning to dawn?
>

> I hope Theresa May does a better job of negotiating than Trump did
> with his healthcare act last week.

I doubt if we have sufficient international trade negotiators in the UK
required to do the job effectively and using American ones will almost
certainly ensure that there is a serious clash of cultures three ways.

> Trump breezily thought his healthcare bill was going to be okay -
> until he met reality.
>
> Brexiteers also breezily think everything will be okay - soon they
> will face the reality of striking trade deals.

It will be a while yet. Just like jumping off a really tall skyscraper
everything seems fine all the way down until you finally hit the ground.

The three stooges will take the blame of course. Though May might do the
honourable thing and fall on her sword when it goes pear shaped.

She had a good slogan with "Brexit means Brexit" but that is all.

Cameron has created one hell of a big mess by his referendum gamble...
(at least he did the honourable thing and resigned)

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[The Todal]

We won't leave without a deal. Theresa May has said that no deal is
better than a bad deal, but that's just to impress her audience. She
wants the Europeans to believe that we're not afraid of being on the
streets and homeless.

But Theresa doesn't make the decisions. Parliament does, and the civil
servants do. Theresa is just a dummy Iron Lady, trying to hold her party
and the country together.

[Yellow]

In article <ek3uvr...@mid.individual.net>, the_...@icloud.com

says...
>
> On 29/03/2017 23:16, Yellow wrote:
> > In article <ek1o2t...@mid.individual.net>, the_...@icloud.com
> > says...

> > 29 March 2019 - we will be out of the EU. Mark my words.
> >
>
> I shall certainly remind you of your words,

Don't worry because I won't forget - balloons and party poppers are on
stand-by.

> if I've remembered them in
> April 2019 when a deal is still a distant hope.

Whether or not absolutely everything will have been done and dusted by
that date, never to be discussed again - I doubt. And I imagine there
will be some parts of our on-going relationship that will evolve over
quite a long period of time.

But we will no longer be a member of the EU after the stroke of midnight
29 March 2019.

[Yellow]

In article <obihb5$k7a$1...@dont-email.me>, tims_n...@yahoo.com says...

>
> "The Todal" <the_...@icloud.com> wrote in message
> news:ek3uvr...@mid.individual.net...
> > On 29/03/2017 23:16, Yellow wrote:
> >> In article <ek1o2t...@mid.individual.net>, the_...@icloud.com
> >> says...

> >> 29 March 2019 - we will be out of the EU. Mark my words.
> >>
> >
> > I shall certainly remind you of your words, if I've remembered them in
> > April 2019 when a deal is still a distant hope.
>
> she didn't say there WOULD be a deal by then
>
> she said that we would be out by then

Yep - that's what I said.

>
> Look, none of us want to leave without a deal, but that is entirely within
> the EU's hands. If they think that by delaying an argument we will change
> our minds, I like to think that they will find that it doesn't work.
>
> And the sooner that they get that message the better

I agree the first step is for everyone to accept the situation for what
it is - because that is really not going to change in the foreseeable
future.

[Yellow]

In article <ek4a3b...@mid.individual.net>, the_...@icloud.com
says...

2 year deadline - 29 March 2019 and we are out.

> Theresa May has said that no deal is
> better than a bad deal, but that's just to impress her audience.

No - it was to set the boundary of the negotiations.

> She
> wants the Europeans to believe that we're not afraid of being on the
> streets and homeless.

Are you planning on being homeless?

> But Theresa doesn't make the decisions.
> Parliament does, and the civil servants do.

She was the one representing the government, on the day, and everyone
wanted the government's position stated. So that is what she did.

Why has that yanked your chain?

[R. Mark Clayton]

On Thursday, 30 March 2017 13:25:33 UTC+1, Yellow wrote:
> In article <ek4a3b...@mid.individual.net>, the_...@icloud.com
> says...
> >

SNIP

>
>
> > She
> > wants the Europeans to believe that we're not afraid of being on the
> > streets and homeless.
>
> Are you planning on being homeless?
>

Depending on how badly the three blind mice cock up the negotiations, a lot of UK ex-pats in Spain might not be able to live in their own homes because they can't get a visa...

So not houseless, but homeless.

[Yellow]

In article <98d1118e-ffe9-443c...@googlegroups.com>,
notya...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Thursday, 30 March 2017 13:25:33 UTC+1, Yellow wrote:
> > In article <ek4a3b...@mid.individual.net>, the_...@icloud.com
> > says...
> > >
> SNIP
>
> >
> >
> > > She
> > > wants the Europeans to believe that we're not afraid of being on the
> > > streets and homeless.
> >
> > Are you planning on being homeless?
> >
>
> Depending on how badly the three blind mice cock up the negotiations, a lot of UK ex-pats in Spain might not be able to live in their own homes because they can't get a visa...

Do you worry about asteroids hitting the earth too?

[Bod]

On 3/30/2017 12:23 PM, pamela wrote:

> On 15:55 28 Mar 2017, Ian Jackson wrote:
>
>> In message <MPG.33447f2c1...@News.Individual.NET>,
>> Yellow <no...@none.com.invalid> writes
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715
>>>
>>> "A number of Brexit-backing MPs walked out of a private meeting
>>> of the Commons Brexit Select Committee in protest at a report
>>> they claimed was "too gloomy".
>>
>> Maybe reality is beginning to dawn?
>>
>

> I hope Theresa May does a better job of negotiating than Trump did
> with his healthcare act last week.
>

> Trump breezily thought his healthcare bill was going to be okay -
> until he met reality.
>
> Brexiteers also breezily think everything will be okay - soon they
> will face the reality of striking trade deals.
>

> "May's spokesman says EU leaders appreciated tone of Brexit letter"

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-may-idUKKBN17117M

[R. Mark Clayton]

On Thursday, 30 March 2017 14:36:33 UTC+1, Yellow wrote:
> In article <98d1118e-ffe9-443c...@googlegroups.com>,
> notya...@gmail.com says...
> >
SNIP

> > >
> >
> > Depending on how badly the three blind mice cock up the negotiations, a lot of UK ex-pats in Spain might not be able to live in their own homes because they can't get a visa...
>
> Do you worry about asteroids hitting the earth too?

Liam Fox - Track Record

Largest 'overclaim' on expenses.
Took a male mate on MoD trips all over. Forced to resign.
Tory leadership bid - came a pathetic last.

Boris Johnson

Volte face on Europe
[very] Publicly described the president of Turkey as a goat molesting self abuser.
Numerous other indiscrections, affairs etc. - too numerous to mention
Tory leadership bid - withdrew dramatically (papers on to him?)

David Davis

Less baggage than the other two, but blew his 2005 Tory leadership bid.


If these three were in charge of the cosmos, I would be very worried about asteroids hitting the earth. Fortunately they are only in charge of Brexit, but will do almost as much damage to the UK as a 5km asteroid hitting it.

[R. Mark Clayton]

It was couched rather more politely than her and the Tories' harsh rhetoric on the EU.

Meanwhile the smart money has order removal vans: -
from the Grauniad, so accuracy unchecked
Latest:
JP Morgan eyeing move to Dublin - Bank may buy enough space for 1,000 workers
Lloyd’s to create Brussels subsidiary for life after Brexit
Lloyd’s picked Belgium as it’s unlikely to quit EU
S&P still give UK negative outlook
Citigroup, has told its staff that some London-based jobs will move overseas due to Britain leaving the EU.
Two fifths of computer games companies based in the UK are considering relocating out of the country, a new survey has found.

All brilliant Brrrexit briefings...

[Yellow]

In article <afd88a6e-ac16-4a05...@googlegroups.com>,
notya...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Thursday, 30 March 2017 14:36:33 UTC+1, Yellow wrote:
> > In article <98d1118e-ffe9-443c...@googlegroups.com>,
> > notya...@gmail.com says...
> > >
> SNIP
> > > >
> > >
> > > Depending on how badly the three blind mice cock up the negotiations, a lot of UK ex-pats in Spain might not be able to live in their own homes because they can't get a visa...
> >
> > Do you worry about asteroids hitting the earth too?
>
> Liam Fox - Track Record
>
> Largest 'overclaim' on expenses.
> Took a male mate on MoD trips all over. Forced to resign.
> Tory leadership bid - came a pathetic last.
>
> Boris Johnson
>
> Volte face on Europe
> [very] Publicly described the president of Turkey as a goat molesting self abuser.
> Numerous other indiscrections, affairs etc. - too numerous to mention
> Tory leadership bid - withdrew dramatically (papers on to him?)
>
> David Davis
>
> Less baggage than the other two, but blew his 2005 Tory leadership bid.
>

And all that makes you worry about asteroids hitting the Earth?

>
> If these three were in charge of the cosmos, I would be very worried
> about asteroids hitting the earth.

> Fortunately they are only in charge of Brexit, but will do almost aa

> much damage to the UK as a 5km asteroid hitting it.

So yes then. Oh dear.

[Bod]

> Erm!
European Union must change or there is no 'compelling economic
argument' to stay, warns Lloyds bank chairman

Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3271983/European-Union-change-no-compelling-economic-argument-stay-warns-Lloyds-bank-chairman.html#ixzz4cpJSbpWt

Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

[Handsome Jack]

Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> posted

>
>I doubt if we have sufficient international trade negotiators in the UK
>required to do the job effectively

You simply have no idea how many international trade negotiators we have
in the UK. No idea whatsoever.

--
Jack

[tim...]

"The Todal" <the_...@icloud.com> wrote in message

news:ek4a3b...@mid.individual.net...

The whole point about saying that no deal is better than a bad deal is to
stop the other side from giving us the most one-sided offer possible and say
"take it or stay in".

By telling them that we will take the third option of leaving without a
deal, they will find that wont work

tim

[tim...]

"R. Mark Clayton" <notya...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:5535e900-0d0b-4e2f...@googlegroups.com...

> On Thursday, 30 March 2017 15:44:59 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
>> On 3/30/2017 12:23 PM, pamela wrote:
>> > On 15:55 28 Mar 2017, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> >
>> >> In message <MPG.33447f2c1...@News.Individual.NET>,
>> >> Yellow <no...@none.com.invalid> writes
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715
>> >>>
>> >>> "A number of Brexit-backing MPs walked out of a private meeting
>> >>> of the Commons Brexit Select Committee in protest at a report
>> >>> they claimed was "too gloomy".
>> >>
>> >> Maybe reality is beginning to dawn?
>> >>
>> >
>> > I hope Theresa May does a better job of negotiating than Trump did
>> > with his healthcare act last week.
>> >
>> > Trump breezily thought his healthcare bill was going to be okay -
>> > until he met reality.
>> >
>> > Brexiteers also breezily think everything will be okay - soon they
>> > will face the reality of striking trade deals.
>> >
>> > "May's spokesman says EU leaders appreciated tone of Brexit letter"
>>
>> http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-may-idUKKBN17117M
>
> It was couched rather more politely than her and the Tories' harsh
> rhetoric on the EU.
>

> Meanwhile the smart money has order removal vans from the Grauniad,

well of course they have. they are running out of money and will soon be
sacking 200 journos :-)

tim

[The Todal]

I think for you that's equivalent to an article of faith. As in "I
believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth."

There is a widespread mistaken belief that Article 50 notice cannot be
withdrawn (that was the Government's position in court in Gina Miller's
litigation) and that it imposes a strict limit of 2 years which cannot
be extended.

We won't be ready in 2 years. The government and our civil servants
won't be able to do it in time. And there is no question of leaving and
then sorting out the deal. That's not going to happen.

But if it makes you happy, keep telling yourself that we'll be out of
the EU in 2 years. Like Billy Hayes in a Turkish prison cell, you can
mark each day with chalk on the wall. But will the Midnight Express ever
stop for you?

[Yellow]

In article <ek50mg...@mid.individual.net>, the_...@icloud.com
says...

>
> On 30/03/2017 13:05, Yellow wrote:
> > In article <ek3uvr...@mid.individual.net>, the_...@icloud.com
> > says...

> > But we will no longer be a member of the EU after the stroke of midnight
> > 29 March 2019.
> >
>
> I think for you that's equivalent to an article of faith. As in "I
> believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth."

You equate A50 to The Bible? That's quite bizarre.

>
> There is a widespread mistaken belief that Article 50 notice cannot be
> withdrawn (that was the Government's position in court in Gina Miller's
> litigation) and that it imposes a strict limit of 2 years which cannot
> be extended.

It is common knowledge that the 2 year limit can be extended with 100%
agreement all round but surely we must all agree that getting an
agreement like that within the two year limit is unlikely - so we will
be leaving, on schedule.

And as for it being possible to withdraw A50 - the question is moot, so
who cares?

>
> We won't be ready in 2 years. The government and our civil servants
> won't be able to do it in time. And there is no question of leaving and
> then sorting out the deal. That's not going to happen.

Time will tell.

>
> But if it makes you happy, keep telling yourself that we'll be out of
> the EU in 2 years. Like Billy Hayes in a Turkish prison cell, you can
> mark each day with chalk on the wall. But will the Midnight Express ever
> stop for you?

29 March 2019. I am looking forward to it. :-)

[Ophelia]

"Yellow" wrote in message
news:MPG.334704f6f...@News.Individual.NET...

====

Yayyyyyyyy :))))



--
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[Ophelia]

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