Postmen - Using Shortcuts, A Right ?
DE
shortcut ?
I have shrubs bordering my property with a 3ft gap nearest the house. The
postman and others have used this gap to get to my letterbox rather than use
the short drive. The 3ft gap leads to a bay window that juts out about 2ft,
a path 1ft wide in front and a flowerbed in front of that. The postman
scrapes his bag against my bay window .and on principle don't want him to
use this shortcut, however despite asking not to, he continues to do so.
I have now decided to strategically place a heavy plant bucket in front of
the bay window and netting on part of the flowerbed. I have also placed
brightly coloured cord across the 3ft gap. I don't want to insert a fence
panel in the gap as
this would stop light getting to the bay window.
The measures I have outlined here are to put him and similar callers off
using this shortcut, if
this route continues to be used I can see an accident happening sooner or
later.
If someone did indeed have an accident do you think I would be held
responsible ? As I see it no one apart from my family should be in
"that" area of my property.
Thanks.
DE
martin
> I have now decided to strategically place a heavy plant bucket in front of
> the bay window and netting on part of the flowerbed. I have also placed
> brightly coloured cord across the 3ft gap. I don't want to insert a fence
> panel in the gap as
> this would stop light getting to the bay window.
Plant a couple of pyrocantha. It'll be a brave postie who braves that.
Ste
Why don't you just block up the gap altogether? Either with greenery,
or with a small fence? Or alternatively, be sensible and enlarge the
gap so that the postman doesn't need to "scrape your bay windows" (I
dread to think the damage that a postbag can do when it comes into
gentle contact with a window).
Paul
> Does a postperson have a right to get from house A to house B using a
> shortcut ?
>
>
>
Having been a paperboy a long long long time ago, come across this then.
Having a long way to walk it becomes imperative to shave every last foot
off the route to save time and effort.
Thus cutting across lawns and over walls is a must, and *most*
homeowners tolerated such incursions as helpful to me, and to them as
they got their papers marginally earlier than if I had to traipse up and
down every drive. I even used to cut across drives I was NOT delivering
to, with the blessing of the homeowner.
Where homeowners were unreasonably rude about using shortcuts across the
ir garden, they got particularly bad service from me - late papers,
papers pushed through the next door neighbours door 'by mistake' etc.
Luckily the profit in deliveries was that little, my boss didn't care if
he lost a customer through this.
So whilst the RM are obliged to deliver, don't be surprised if you find
your postal efficiency dropping, - parcels left at the sorting office
and 'missed you, please collect' cards left, letters delayed as kept in
the bag by 'mistake', or even put back into postbox - I know a postie
who does that with people.
Francis Burton
They don't like it up 'em!
Presumably the householder would not be liable for any
injuries to postmen taking shortcuts from thorns, stinging
hairs or poisonous exudates.
Francis
Old Codger
I wouldn't bank on that. If one can be liable for damage to trespassers
I suspect a postman taking a short cut through the border will be able
to claim if he gets entangled with the briar.
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Andrew
It is a few years since I worked for Royal Mail and I don't know if the
rules have changed.
It used to be that the postman had to take the shortest safe footpath
from the road to the delivery point - usually the letter box in the
front door. If there was a gate he had to leave the gate as he found it
after delivering the post. He was not supposed to cut across in front of
windows from one property to the next.
If there was a small wall/fence between 2 properties, adjoining
driveways for instance they might step over it if they could do so
without causing damage.
There were times when I had to go out with a postmen to time his
delivery and check his performance and then they would not take any
short cuts. That was in the good old days when there were 2 deliveries a
day and I know things have changed and the postmen are under a lot more
pressure.
If a postman does not think he is going to be able to get all the way
round his delivery in the time allowed his manager will decide how much
mail he has to take. Any mail left is often cleared on the delivery next
day.
To sort out the problem with the postman walking past the window I
suggest you call royal Mail customer services and register a complaint
and keep ringing up as often as it happens. You should soon get it stopped
ADW
Steve Walker
> On 18/06/2010 19:20, Francis Burton wrote:
>> Presumably the householder would not be liable for any
>> injuries to postmen taking shortcuts from thorns, stinging
>> hairs or poisonous exudates.
>
> I wouldn't bank on that. If one can be liable for damage to
> trespassers I suspect a postman taking a short cut through the border
> will be able to claim if he gets entangled with the briar.
He'll be able to lodge a claim, but unlikely that this claim would succeed
Paul
> To sort out the problem with the postman walking past the window I
> suggest you call royal Mail customer services and register a complaint
> and keep ringing up as often as it happens. You should soon get it stopped
>
Yes, no more mail... collect from post office due to 'dangerous dog,
slippery step, dangerous post box'...
OG
"DE" <not_...@here.com> wrote in message
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There may be a covenanted obligation on you as owner of the property to keep
the access open, just as many new housing estates have obligations to keep
front gardens unobstructed by hedges, fences etc.
Check your deeds.
Roland Perry
Sat, 19 Jun 2010, Andrew <and...@invalid.co.uk> remarked:
>That was in the good old days when there were 2 deliveries a day and I
>know things have changed and the postmen are under a lot more pressure.
This is the sort of comment that leaves us ordinary members of the
public somewhat bemused. In the 90's I got a first post some time
between 7.20 and 7.30am, every day (mon-sat) as regular as clockwork,
and a second post around lunchtime.
Today (and for the last four or five years) I get just one post at about
11am (no use to someone who has a normal job and needs their post before
leaving for work) and on average one day a week the round is missed out
completely (there's a steady enough stream we can tell when that
happens).
We also never get anything on a Monday other than obvious "third class"
mainly unaddressed stuff that's been hanging around the sorting office
for a while. God forbid anyone should post us something First Class on a
Friday or Saturday in the expectation of us receiving it on Monday.
These are not symptoms of individual posties under pressure - it's Royal
Mail in a spiral of decline that it seems to be conspiring in itself. If
they can't demonstrate an ability to deliver reliably, why should I use
them to send anything?
--
Roland Perry
OG
"Roland Perry" <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
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apart from price
and the convenience
and the roads
and the aqueducts
What have they done for us?
Steve
To be fair to the postmen, there is a lot more commercial crap being sent
through the mail nowadays than I remember when I was younger.
Roland Perry
2010, OG <ow...@gwynnefamily.org.uk> remarked:
>> These are not symptoms of individual posties under pressure - it's
>>Royal Mail in a spiral of decline that it seems to be conspiring in
>>itself. If they can't demonstrate an ability to deliver reliably, why
>>should I use them to send anything?
>
>apart from price
>
>and the convenience
>
>and the roads
>
>and the aqueducts
>
>What have they done for us?
The convenience is blown to pieces - what with late (in the day)
delivery, delays and ridiculously early (in the day) last collection
times. The whole thing pretty much shuts down over the weekend, too.
As for price - I paid 96p (I think it was) yesterday to post an envelope
with a dozen sheets of A4 inside. And because I went to the Post Office
early I didn't have to wait 10 minutes in a queue. How convenient!
I used to use the Post Office for foreign currency, but last time I
asked they couldn't guarantee being able to mail themselves the notes in
under a week - pathetic. I've gone back to using a bureau at the
airport, where they also buy back your spare notes when you return, at
the rate they sold them to you, not 30% less.
--
Roland Perry
Roland Perry
on Sun, 20 Jun 2010, Steve <St...@nowhere.com> remarked:
>To be fair to the postmen, there is a lot more commercial crap being sent
>through the mail nowadays than I remember when I was younger.
I get less unsolicited 'Marketing' mail than before, although there's
the "unaddressed" stuff these days, which the Post Office has drummed up
the business for. You are supposed to get only three items a week, but
we get more than that. However, my regular post is much less difficult
to deliver than it used to be - I don't have weighty subscription
magazines arriving twice a week, and most mail order people use other
means to deliver these days (so no massive jiffy bags any more).
--
Roland Perry
John Briggs
>
> As for price - I paid 96p (I think it was) yesterday to post an envelope
> with a dozen sheets of A4 inside. And because I went to the Post Office
> early I didn't have to wait 10 minutes in a queue. How convenient!
Had you folded them in half, you could have posted them in an A5
envelope for the standard price (12 sheets should only weigh 60g). If
you reverse half of them, you get in under the thickness limit.
--
John Briggs
John Briggs
>
> with a dozen sheets of A4 inside. And because I went to the Post Office
> early I didn't have to wait 10 minutes in a queue. How convenient!
Had you folded them in half, you could have posted them in an A5
Roland Perry
2010, John Briggs <john.b...@ntlworld.com> remarked:
>> As for price - I paid 96p (I think it was) yesterday to post an envelope
>> with a dozen sheets of A4 inside. And because I went to the Post Office
>> early I didn't have to wait 10 minutes in a queue. How convenient!
>
>Had you folded them in half, you could have posted them in an A5
>envelope for the standard price (12 sheets should only weigh 60g). If
>you reverse half of them, you get in under the thickness limit.
They were bound along the spine, so in this case not a practical
alternative.
--
Roland Perry
Ste
Surely it would be easier, and give a more professional result, to
simply fold them together harder, since if properly folded then I
don't see how the "hinge" can be any thicker than the overall number
of layers. Or do you have a stickler in your post office who insists
that, not only must the mail fit through a certain thickness-measuring
aperature, but it must also do so without touching both sides of the
aperature?
John Briggs
The "hinge" is always thicker. Fold them all together, then take half
and reverse them, giving two "hinges". This will give a more uniformly
flat envelope, and avoid arguments over thickness.
--
John Briggs
Graeme
<rol...@perry.co.uk> writes
>
>I used to use the Post Office for foreign currency, but last time I
>asked they couldn't guarantee being able to mail themselves the notes
>in under a week - pathetic.
That deserves a comment. You local sub postmaster, or manager, needs a
good kicking. Currency is guaranteed to arrive next day (special
delivery) if ordered by 14.00, and the following day if ordered after
that time. Very rarely fails, in my experience.
--
Graeme, sub postmaster
Graeme
<bbcf81ec-21eb-4f5e...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, Ste
<ste_...@hotmail.com> writes
>Or do you have a stickler in your post office who insists
>that, not only must the mail fit through a certain thickness-measuring
>aperature, but it must also do so without touching both sides of the
>aperature?
You will probably find that your local PO staff are far more lenient
than RM, as I found to my cost. Pushing an envelope through a slot,
with very little pressure, is easy. Getting RM to do the same thing is
a lot more difficult. RM have penalised many items of mail that I have
personally checked at the counter.
--
Graeme, sub postmaster
Graeme
<rol...@perry.co.uk> writes
>
>I get less unsolicited 'Marketing' mail than before, although there's
>the "unaddressed" stuff these days, which the Post Office has drummed
>up the business for.
ITYM Royal Mail.
> You are supposed to get only three items a week,
Not any more. Door to Door items (what the general public refer to as
'junk mail') are no longer limited to three items per week. Delivery
has also been extended, to 52 weeks per year - the Christmas period used
to be excluded.
--
Graeme, sub postmaster
Ste
I think you'll find, if you fold the paper firmly and measure the
hinge, that the hinge is no thicker than the number of layers. Sure,
as sheets are added it gets more difficult to fold properly, and tends
to give the fold a spring, but ultimately the hinge will be no thicker
if folded properly (and if there is an extremely large amount of
sheets, or thick card, then it pays to fold the sheets individually
first and then assemble them into a whole). And to be sure, I've just
tested this hypothesis with 16 sheets.
OG
> In message <884pik...@mid.individual.net>, at 22:05:08 on Sat, 19 Jun
> 2010, OG <ow...@gwynnefamily.org.uk> remarked:
>>> These are not symptoms of individual posties under pressure - it's Royal
>>> Mail in a spiral of decline that it seems to be conspiring in itself. If
>>> they can't demonstrate an ability to deliver reliably, why should I use
>>> them to send anything?
>>
>>apart from price
>>
>>and the convenience
>>
>>and the roads
>>
>>and the aqueducts
>>
>>What have they done for us?
>
> The convenience is blown to pieces - what with late (in the day) delivery,
> delays and ridiculously early (in the day) last collection times. The
> whole thing pretty much shuts down over the weekend, too.
>
> As for price - I paid 96p (I think it was) yesterday to post an envelope
> with a dozen sheets of A4 inside. And because I went to the Post Office
> early I didn't have to wait 10 minutes in a queue. How convenient!
>
Your question was why you should use them to send anything? If you can find
a more convenient and cheaper alternative, do let us know.
Roland Perry
20 Jun 2010, Graeme <Gra...@binnsroad.net> remarked:
>>I get less unsolicited 'Marketing' mail than before, although there's
>>the "unaddressed" stuff these days, which the Post Office has drummed
>>up the business for.
>
>ITYM Royal Mail.
I gave up worrying exactly what it's called when they rebranded back
from Consignia.
>> You are supposed to get only three items a week,
>
>Not any more. Door to Door items (what the general public refer to as
>'junk mail')
Junk mail also includes the addressed stuff sent by certain relentless
marketing departments. If I had £1 for every time Virgin (was NTL) had
written to me, I'd be able to pay for a year's Internet access!
>are no longer limited to three items per week. Delivery has also been
>extended, to 52 weeks per year - the Christmas period used to be
>excluded.
Thanks for that information. I wonder when they slipped the change
through? I think I last looked about a year ago.
--
Roland Perry
Roland Perry
>>I used to use the Post Office for foreign currency, but last time I
>>asked they couldn't guarantee being able to mail themselves the notes
>>in under a week - pathetic.
>
>That deserves a comment. You local sub postmaster, or manager, needs a
>good kicking. Currency is guaranteed to arrive next day (special
>delivery) if ordered by 14.00, and the following day if ordered after
>that time. Very rarely fails, in my experience.
I was a bit surprised, I have to say, because even though there were
strikes on (not really my problem), they were also claiming that SD
wasn't affected. But the manager (it's a sub-post office inside a CoOp
supermarket) obviously wasn't convinced.
--
Roland Perry
Graeme
<rol...@perry.co.uk> writes
>
>>are no longer limited to three items per week. Delivery has also been
>>extended, to 52 weeks per year - the Christmas period used to be
>>excluded.
>
>Thanks for that information. I wonder when they slipped the change
>through? I think I last looked about a year ago.
It came in recently, after the strikes ended, and the new pay agreement
completed. Posties were paid pennies per item delivered, but are now
paid a set amount per week, irrespective of the number delivered. Our
usual was three per week, but this week is only one - we have not
exceeded three yet, but doubtless will, before too long.
--
Graeme, sub postmaster
Mark
wrote:
IME these kind of covenants are rarely observed and are not enforced.
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Graeme
<rol...@perry.co.uk> writes
>In message <CEBTI6Jw...@binnsroad.demon.co.uk>, at 20:30:11 on
>Sun, 20 Jun 2010, Graeme <Gra...@binnsroad.net> remarked:
>>
>>a good kicking. Currency is guaranteed to arrive next day (special
>>delivery) if ordered by 14.00, and the following day if ordered after
>>that time. Very rarely fails, in my experience.
>
>I was a bit surprised, I have to say, because even though there were
>strikes on (not really my problem), they were also claiming that SD
>wasn't affected. But the manager (it's a sub-post office inside a CoOp
>supermarket) obviously wasn't convinced.
>
Co-ops. The vast majority of independent sub postmasters, such as
myself, are self employed, and I am fairly sure that those managing
Co-op branches are employees of the Co-op, which presumably gives them
far less of an incentive to do whatever is necessary. I'm in a modest
sized village, and there is a Co-op sub post office in the next village,
twenty miles away. The manager there is well known for not accepting
any form of transaction which is even remotely out of the ordinary - he
tells customers they have to come to me. Good for me, I suppose, but
not so good for customers facing a forty mile round trip!
Getting back to the point), we did not have any problems with currency
orders, during the RM strikes.
--
Graeme, in rural NE Scotland
Roland Perry
2010, OG <ow...@gwynnefamily.org.uk> remarked:
>> As for price - I paid 96p (I think it was) yesterday to post an
>>envelope with a dozen sheets of A4 inside. And because I went to the
>>Post Office early I didn't have to wait 10 minutes in a queue. How
>>convenient!
>
>Your question was why you should use them to send anything? If you can
>find a more convenient and cheaper alternative, do let us know.
Says it all really... if you can't find someone with a 9 minute queue
then a 10 minute queue is perfectly OK.
--
Roland Perry
Roland Perry
21 Jun 2010, Graeme <Gra...@binnsroad.net> remarked:
>Getting back to the point), we did not have any problems with currency
>orders, during the RM strikes.
Glad to hear it, but that doesn't help me... if my local office can't do
the currency when I need it I'll transfer my business to Travelex.
--
Roland Perry