UK Passport - "Extending a passport"

[Tim Watts]

Hi,

This is a UK adult passport renewal - it says that parents details need
to be filled in for various reasons, including "extending a passport".

Anyone know what "extending" means?

Is it the same a renewing a 10 year adult passport that's about to
expire?



And before anyone says "ring them" - therein lies the road to ruin and
everlasting telephone musak (been there before).

Filling in the parents details is non trivial as the person applying is
naturalised British, so they want the grandparents too (that's actually
hard to get info).

Cheers - and TIA

Tim

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[davi...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, 15 January 2014 21:49:27 UTC, Tim Watts wrote:

> This is a UK adult passport renewal - it says that parents details need
> to be filled in for various reasons, including "extending a passport".
>
> Anyone know what "extending" means?
>
> Is it the same a renewing a 10 year adult passport that's about to
> expire?

No, that would be renewing.

The only reference to "extending" on the website appears to be in relation to restricted validity (i.e. "emergency") passports or children's passports.

[Sara Merriman]

In article <o4bjqa-...@squidward.local.dionic.net>, Tim Watts

<tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is a UK adult passport renewal - it says that parents details need
> to be filled in for various reasons, including "extending a passport".
>
> Anyone know what "extending" means?
>
> Is it the same a renewing a 10 year adult passport that's about to
> expire?
>
>
>
> And before anyone says "ring them" - therein lies the road to ruin and
> everlasting telephone musak (been there before).
>
> Filling in the parents details is non trivial as the person applying is
> naturalised British, so they want the grandparents too (that's actually
> hard to get info).
>
> Cheers - and TIA
>

When I was little (about 3 or 4) I had a 5-year passport that was
extended for another 5 years when it expired, by adding a more
up-to-date pic and dates being changed. In those days, by hand.

--
Sara

Cats cats cat

[Tim Watts]

On Wednesday 15 January 2014 23:18 davi...@gmail.com wrote in
uk.legal.moderated:

Ah good - thank you sir...

I read the entire guidance leaflet and this term is not clarified
anywhere.

[Roland Perry]

In message <54edb1bf-b7ab-4835...@googlegroups.com>, at
23:18:58 on Wed, 15 Jan 2014, davi...@gmail.com remarked:

>> This is a UK adult passport renewal - it says that parents details need
>> to be filled in for various reasons, including "extending a passport".
>>
>> Anyone know what "extending" means?
>>
>> Is it the same a renewing a 10 year adult passport that's about to
>> expire?
>
>No, that would be renewing.
>
>The only reference to "extending" on the website appears to be in relation
>to restricted validity (i.e. "emergency") passports or children's passports.

So is "trading in" a child passport (let's say the fourth 5yr passport
on the event of it expiring during their 20th year) for a 10yr adult one
regarded as "extending"?
--
Roland Perry

[tim......]

"Roland Perry" <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:AigZK5e5...@perry.co.uk...

The passport service web page is pretty ****ing useless when answering such
questions

there's absolutely nothing there about the pictures only being valid for 5
years and whether replacing 5 year old pictures counts as extending or
renewing

Of course, that presupposes that I did select the real website, the first
link in the list was definitely to a rogue - pay us lots of money for doing
nothing special - site

tim

[Mark BR]

"Roland Perry" <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:AigZK5e5...@perry.co.uk...

You extend a child's 5 year passport and supply a new picture. Unless they
are now over 16 in which case I think they now have to buy a new passport.

You can extend a 2nd passport (sometimes required for some special reasons)
as that normally only has a 1 year validity and can be extended 10 times -
ie up to 10 years.

Emergency passports can not be extended.

A normal 10 year passport can not be extended.

--

Mark BR

[Janet]

In article <bjqsdn...@mid.individual.net>, tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk
says...

> The passport service web page is pretty ****ing useless when answering
such
> questions

Pick up the paper version explanatory leaflet that comes with the
application form. It's quite clear on all the points you mention.

Janet

[Matt Larkin]

On Thursday, 16 January 2014 20:06:21 UTC, tim...... wrote:
>
> The passport service web page is pretty ****ing useless when answering such
> questions
>

Its pretty useless about everything else too!! I came to renew my boy's passport last night expecting that things might have improved since the last time I did one, but no - you can still only use 30 characters for an email address (my usual one, due to a long domain name, is often longer than this), sometimes names are "forename, surname", sometimes "surname, forename", half of the "help topics" during the form completion have no information attached to them at all, all you can do on their website is pre-key information into the system and then they promise to post you out a pre-completed form in up to a week!

I know passport security is something which is incredibly important, and we don't want fictitious documents all over the place, but surely with the renewal of a passport, being re-issued to the same address as the last time, surely they could move into the twentyfirst century with some aspects of what they do.

Its far quicker to head down to the post office, pick up a form and enter it in person. In fact, the last time I did apply for one using the pre-printed forms the blooming post office clerks rejected the forms using "check and send" as there were some aspects which (according to their rules) were improperly completed!! We had to stand in the queue and write it all up again!

Matt

[tim......]

"Janet" <h...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.2d4299268...@news.individual.net...

sorry

how does my computer deliver this piece of paper to me?

tim

[Simon Finnigan]

If you're using the check and send, would you have preferred that they
ignore the mistakes made on the form, sent it off and had it sent back to
you?

[Percy Picacity]

In article
<995843695411697864.528928...@news.individual.net>
,
Simon Finnigan <simonf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Matt Larkin <matthew...@gmail.com> wrote:
snip

> > Its far quicker to head down to the post office, pick up a form and enter
> > it in person. In fact, the last time I did apply for one using the
> > pre-printed forms the blooming post office clerks rejected the forms
> > using "check and send" as there were some aspects which (according to
> > their rules) were improperly completed!! We had to stand in the queue
> > and write it all up again!
> >
> > Matt
>
> If you're using the check and send, would you have preferred that they
> ignore the mistakes made on the form, sent it off and had it sent back to
> you?

It could perhaps be considered more a criticism of the web page than of
the Post Office: or, at least, of inconsistency between the two, which
is suboptimal.

--

Percy Picacity

[Tim Watts]

On Saturday 18 January 2014 00:38 Simon Finnigan wrote in
uk.legal.moderated:

> Matt Larkin <matthew...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Its far quicker to head down to the post office, pick up a form and
>> enter
>> it in person. In fact, the last time I did apply for one using the
>> pre-printed forms the blooming post office clerks rejected the forms
>> using "check and send" as there were some aspects which (according to
>> their rules) were improperly completed!! We had to stand in the
>> queue and write it all up again!
>>
>> Matt
>
> If you're using the check and send, would you have preferred that they
> ignore the mistakes made on the form, sent it off and had it sent back
> to you?

I think the PP's beef is not against check-and-send but rather against
the somewaht useless system that let's you fill in the bulk of the
details online and then sends you a form that is rejected by their own
agents (the PO[1] in this case).

[1] Post Office in the general understanding of the term.

SWMBO just had the same - filled in online, form duly sent out. 2 boxes
ticked but the boxes were unmarked (ie no printed question nor any
Yes/No words next to them). She compared it with an old form she had
lying around and these 2 boxes were part of a set of 4 that (as the old
form had the questions and answers visible), if the ticks are still to
be interpreted the same way, then they were ticked wrongly!

Rather than take a risk, that form went in the bin and she's off to the
PO too for a blank.

I had to come on here to find the definition of "extend" as it's not
explained anywhere I could find.

Even the HMRC have better guides to Income Tax returns - why is the
passport office so hopeless? It must be in their interests to help
people get it right first time as doing otherwise merely wastes staff
time reading and rejecting forms.

I should add in fairness, that their office in London is actually quite
helpful when you get to see someone in person - it's their printed
matter (inc web) that is sorely lacking.

[Janet]

In article <bjt9g5...@mid.individual.net>, tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk
says...

You can get one at the post office or Passport Adviceline will post
you one.

Janet

[Matt Larkin]

On Saturday, 18 January 2014 00:38:58 UTC, Simon Finnigan wrote:
> Matt Larkin <matthew...@gmail.com> wrote:

In fact, the last time I did apply for one using the
>
> > pre-printed forms the blooming post office clerks rejected the forms
>
> > using "check and send" as there were some aspects which (according to
>
> > their rules) were improperly completed!! We had to stand in the queue
>
> > and write it all up again!
>
> >
>
> > Matt
>
>
>
> If you're using the check and send, would you have preferred that they
>
> ignore the mistakes made on the form, sent it off and had it sent back to
>
> you?

My point was that it was filled in *properly* online, with the right information. But the Post Office staff rejected it.

It was something along the lines of what I had typed in online left some spaces, with the IPS pre-printed service then filled with black boxes in the "spare" boxes on the printed form. So something which I had no control over and which the IPS service had put in for me was rejected by a Post Office Counters employee who said it wasn't right.

I'll never know if, had I not used check and send, the application would have been rejected as deficient. But it would have been ludicrous if they had rejected their own form printing service!

Matt