Sharing deeds details with neighbours re shared sewage costs

[George Miles]

Are deeds secret and confidential?
Or can I ask my neighbours to give me a copy of theirs?

7 properties share a septic tank which we must replace under the Binding rules

Someone said that their deeds say they must pay a quarter, some a seventh, some a fair share. But I dont know.

Surely I dont have to pay a solicitor to send such letters?

It is to everybodys advantage if we do as much work as possible without paying solcitors, though we may need them in the end!

Advice please!

George Miles

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/general-binding-rules-small-sewage-discharge-to-the-ground

[SH]

You can actually buy copies of the title plans and title register for £3
each per property from the land registry. You can find out who the
owners are if any of the properties are buy to let and if they have any
mortgages on it.

The property owners do not need to give permission and they cannot stop
you buying copies of the title register or title plans.

LMGTFY....


https://www.gov.uk/search-property-information-land-registry

[George Miles]

I bought deeds for several of the neighbours but the online version didnt have the small print about the shared sewers maintenance costs

[Roland Perry]

In message <t8il2n$75h$1...@dont-email.me>, at 20:35:49 on Fri, 17 Jun
2022, SH <i.l...@spam.com> remarked:

>On 17/06/2022 15:37, George Miles wrote:

>> Are deeds secret and confidential?
>> Or can I ask my neighbours to give me a copy of theirs?

You can always ask.

>> 7 properties share a septic tank which we must replace under the
>>Binding rules

>> Someone said that their deeds say they must pay a quarter, some a
>>seventh, some a fair share. But I dont know.

>> Surely I dont have to pay a solicitor to send such letters?
>> It is to everybodys advantage if we do as much work as possible
>>without paying solcitors, though we may need them in the end!

The question we need to answer is: who can enforce either the
disclosure, or indeed the payment of *any* share of the bill.

Who actually owns the tank (and pays for routine maintenance) - is there
a management company?

>> Advice please!
>> George Miles

>
>You can actually buy copies of the title plans and title register for

>Ł3 each per property from the land registry. You can find out who the

>owners are if any of the properties are buy to let and if they have any
>mortgages on it.

But that won't have details like the share of repair costs.
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Roland Perry

[David McNeish]

On Saturday, 18 June 2022 at 03:03:46 UTC+1, diceg...@gmail.com wrote:
> I bought deeds for several of the neighbours but the online version didnt have the small print about the shared sewers maintenance costs

So, in a separate deed which is referenced to in the online title register? You need to order copies of those deeds separately from the LR.

[Philip Hole]

They also contain information on covenants - although these may not be

too helpful [1].



For a further £3 you can get a plan of the property with boundaries and

indication and responsibility for fences. However, these may be colour

coded with the original now rendered as black.



[1] eg....



"And together also with the right to pass and repass over and along the

strip of land four feet in width adjoining the property hereby assured

on the West side thereof used as a pathway and coloured Brown on the

said Plan and leading to the two messuages or Cottages known as Numbers

7 and 8 Maiden Erlegh Terrace aforesaid the Sub Purchaser paying a

proper proportion towards the cost of keeping such pathway in good order and

condition Subject to the right of the owner or occupier of the adjoining

messuage or Cottage known as Number 7 Maiden Erlegh Terrace to pass and

repass over the property hereby assured to the Well situate at the rear

of the property hereby assured the Sub Purchaser paying a proper

proportion of the cost of keeping the Well and tackle in repair And

subject also to the right of the owners or occupiers of the messuages or

cottages and premises situate on the Western side of the property hereby

assured to drain under the property hereby assured and thence under the

adjoining property situate on the Eastern side of the property hereby

assured into the main cesspool situate on adjoining property belonging

to the Company."



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Flop

[Martin Brown]

On 17/06/2022 20:35, SH wrote:

> On 17/06/2022 15:37, George Miles wrote:
>> Are deeds secret and confidential?
>> Or can I ask my neighbours to give me a copy of theirs?
>>
>> 7 properties share a septic tank which we must replace under the
>> Binding rules
>>
>> Someone said that their deeds say they must pay a quarter, some a
>> seventh, some a fair share. But I dont know.
>>
>> Surely I dont have to pay a solicitor to send such letters?
>>
>> It is to everybodys advantage if we do as much work as possible
>> without paying solcitors, though we may need them in the end!
>>
>> Advice please!
>>
>> George Miles
>>
>> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/general-binding-rules-small-sewage-discharge-to-the-ground
>
> You can actually buy copies of the title plans and title register for £3
> each per property from the land registry. You can find out who the
> owners are if any of the properties are buy to let and if they have any
> mortgages on it.

Or in some regions - North Yorkshire being one of them you can go and
look at exact replicas of the deeds of a property as they stood at the
time of any historical transaction going back at least a century or so.

You need to know the address, name of one party and a year (or be very
patient). I'm not sure if the practice still persists in the modern era.
These are huge leather bound heavy tomes on movable archive shelves.

> The property owners do not need to give permission and they cannot stop
> you buying copies of the title register or title plans.
>
> LMGTFY....
>
>
> https://www.gov.uk/search-property-information-land-registry

Again can sometimes be available for free in some county records office
if you are prepared to do all the legwork (for £3 not worth it though).

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Regards,
Martin Brown

[Michael Chare]

On 17/06/2022 15:37, George Miles wrote:

What is it about the binding rules that says that the septic tank needs
to be replaced?

[Roger Hayter]

On 22 Jun 2022 at 14:16:28 BST, ""Anthony R. Gold"" <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk>
wrote:

> I understood "under the binding rules" referred to the manner by which the
> item would be funded and replaced and not the trigger for the repair.

My understanding is that the latest set of rules (from the EU, but there is no
sign our government wants to change them) has made a number of existing
private sewage arrangements illegal, even if in good running order according
to the original design. I may be wrong, of course; and even more setups could
not be replaced in their current form if reconstruction became necessary.


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Roger Hayter

[notya...@gmail.com]

No they are public domain and (if registered) the Land Registry will sell you a copy for ~£3.

If not (highly unlikely) then no you can't.

They usually show covenants, easements and wayleaves.