Daily Express registered with Royal Mail as a newspaper

[notya...@gmail.com]

The headline in the Daily Express this morning was "We're [Britain] on the Up!"".
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C387/production/_132655005_dailyexpress-nc.png.webp

This is on the same day that ONS has announced that the UK is officially in recession.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/latest

Can a comic like this or Viz be legally registered as a Newspaper for mailing purposes?

[Peter Johnson]

Any regular publication can be registed with the Royal Mail as a
'newspaper.' That's how they get discounts for bulk mailing. I used to
edit a quarterly magazine and the society benefitted from the
Periodical Publishers' Association's contract with RM.

[Peter Johnson]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 17:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
<jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:


>>
>> Any regular publication can be registed with the Royal Mail as a
>> 'newspaper.' That's how they get discounts for bulk mailing. I used to
>> edit a quarterly magazine and the society benefitted from the Periodical
>> Publishers' Association's contract with RM.
>

>Isn't there some sort of criteria of %age of adverts ?

Not when I was involved. I shouldn't think RM would care.

[billy bookcase]

"Jethro_uk" <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote in message
news:uqlhmj$3cvb6$2...@dont-email.me...

>
> Isn't there some sort of criteria of %age of adverts ?

This would only apply to publications not already registered
as newspapers.


quote:

Post Office Act 1908
(1)For the purpose of the registration of newspapers under this Act, any
publication consisting wholly or in great part of political or other news,
or of articles relating thereto, or ' to other current topics, with or
without advertisements, shall be deemed a newspaper; subject to these
conditions-

(a)that it be printed and published in the British Islands ;

(b)that it be published in numbers at intervals of not more than seven days ;

(c)that it have the full title and date of publication printed at the top
of the first page, and the whole or part of the title and the date of publication
printed at the top of every subsequent page.

[...]

Registration of newspapers at Post Office

(1)The proprietor or printer of any newspaper within the description aforesaid,


and the proprietor or printer of any publication which, regard being had to
the proportion of advertisements to other matter therein, is not within the
description aforesaid,

but which was stamped as a newspaper before the fifteenth day of June one
thousand eight hundred and fifty-five, may register it at the
General Post Office in London, at such time in each year and in such form
and with such particulars as the Postmaster-General directs, paying on
each registration such fee not exceeding five shillings as Post Office regulations
direct.

(2)The Postmaster-General may from time to time revise the register and remove therefrom
any publication not being a newspaper.

:unquote

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw7/8/48/crossheading/newspapers/enacted


Although according to this, the system was set to be axed 21 years ago

quote:
UK Royal Mail newspaper service to be axed
Nov 24, 2003 | News | 0

The Royal Mail has confirmed plans to scrap a service allowing newspapers to be sent
first-class for the price of second-class postage.

The Newspaper Registration Service was established about 150 years ago to promote
literacy and freedom of information across the United Kingdom.

https://postandparcel.info/9536/news/uk-royal-mail-newspaper-service-to-be-axed/


bb

*As distinct from the Newspaper Libel and Registration Act 1881

[notya...@gmail.com]

On Saturday 17 February 2024 at 16:44:51 UTC, billy bookcase wrote:

> The headline in the Daily Express this morning was "We're [Britain] on the Up!"".
> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C387/production/_132655005_dailyexpress-nc.png.webp

> This is on the same day that ONS has announced that the UK is officially in recession.
> https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/latest

> Can a comic like this or Viz be legally registered as a Newspaper for mailing purposes?

Thank you. The point remains that if a "journal" publishes stuff that completely contradicts reality then is it entitled to keep its registration as a newspaper?

Obviously we have a free press, so The Express can publish outright lies [as above], but should it be enabled to benefit from discounts provided to genuine newspapers as opposed to propaganda?

[JNugent]

Well, yes. Both The Guardian and the Daily Mirror still manage to be
classified as "news"papers, even though neither of them carries much
actual news.

>
> Obviously we have a free press, so The Express can publish outright lies [as above], but should it be enabled to benefit from discounts provided to genuine newspapers as opposed to propaganda?

Seriously?

You think the Daily Express is the worst for that, in the same time and
space in which the The Graun (the tax exile press) and the Mirror (the
Maxwell press) exist?

[David McNeish]

Benefit? How many copies of the Express do you think are distributed by Royal Mail?

[notya...@gmail.com]

On Monday 19 February 2024 at 00:52:49 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> On 18/02/2024 07:28, notya...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday 17 February 2024 at 16:44:51 UTC, billy bookcase wrote:
> >
> >> The headline in the Daily Express this morning was "We're [Britain] on the Up!"".
> >> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C387/production/_132655005_dailyexpress-nc.png.webp
> >
> >> This is on the same day that ONS has announced that the UK is officially in recession.
> >> https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/latest
> >
> >> Can a comic like this or Viz be legally registered as a Newspaper for mailing purposes?
> >

SNIP

> >
> > Thank you. The point remains that if a "journal" publishes stuff that completely contradicts reality then is it entitled to keep its registration as a newspaper?
> Well, yes. Both The Guardian and the Daily Mirror still manage to be
> classified as "news"papers, even though neither of them carries much
> actual news.

The Grauniad is nearly all comment. Trinity Mirror papers are biased, and their web sites to be avoided due to pop ups etc.

> >
> > Obviously we have a free press, so The Express can publish outright lies [as above], but should it be enabled to benefit from discounts provided to genuine newspapers as opposed to propaganda?
> Seriously?
>
> You think the Daily Express is the worst for that, in the same time and
> space in which the The Graun (the tax exile press) and the Mirror (the
> Maxwell press) exist?

Possibly - the example given was the Express explicitly contradicting the facts provided by the ONS.

[billy bookcase]

"JNugent" <jennings&c...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:l3fddi...@mid.individual.net...

>
> You think the Daily Express is the worst for that, in the same time and space in which
> the The Graun (the tax exile press) and the Mirror (the Maxwell press) exist?

The Maxwell Press being newspapers owned by the same Robert Maxwell who
fell / jumped./ was pushed off his yacht in 1991 ?

I'd imagine they'd be a bit soggy by now.


bb









>

[JNugent]

On 20/02/2024 06:49, billy bookcase wrote:

> "JNugent" <jennings&c...@mail.com> wrote:

>> You think the Daily Express is the worst for that, in the same time and space in which
>> the The Graun (the tax exile press) and the Mirror (the Maxwell press) exist?
>
> The Maxwell Press being newspapers owned by the same Robert Maxwell who
> fell / jumped./ was pushed off his yacht in 1991 ?
> I'd imagine they'd be a bit soggy by now.

Mad Ken was still going on about the Daily Mail's alleged early 1930s
support for Hitler* right up until he was defeated by Boris. Thereafter,
we heard rather less from him (Mad Ken).

[* Up until the second half of that decade, it would have been churlish
not to have some admiration for the way in which Hitler and his party
had changed Germany's fortunes for the better.]

Maxwell MP (Labour) was famous for other things as well as being the
owner of the Mirror.

[Roger Hayter]

On 20 Feb 2024 at 19:38:51 GMT, "JNugent" <jennings&c...@mail.com> wrote:

> On 20/02/2024 06:49, billy bookcase wrote:
>
>> "JNugent" <jennings&c...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>> You think the Daily Express is the worst for that, in the same time and
>>> space in which
>>> the The Graun (the tax exile press) and the Mirror (the Maxwell press) exist?
>>
>> The Maxwell Press being newspapers owned by the same Robert Maxwell who
>> fell / jumped./ was pushed off his yacht in 1991 ?
>> I'd imagine they'd be a bit soggy by now.
>
> Mad Ken was still going on about the Daily Mail's alleged early 1930s
> support for Hitler* right up until he was defeated by Boris. Thereafter,
> we heard rather less from him (Mad Ken).
>
> [* Up until the second half of that decade, it would have been churlish
> not to have some admiration for the way in which Hitler and his party
> had changed Germany's fortunes for the better.]

Only if one either knew nothing about what was going on in Germany or was an
admirer of fascism. Dachau, for instance, was set up for political prisoners
in 1933. Storm troopers, the Brownshirts, were used against political rivals,
intellectual rivals and Jews from 1921. Other totalitarian acts are, as they
say, history.

>
> Maxwell MP (Labour) was famous for other things as well as being the
> owner of the Mirror.

--
Roger Hayter

[JNugent]

Hence the carefully-constructed phrase "some admiration".

Not everyone who admired Hitler was a supporter.

Read "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie".

Despite the inability of some to admit it, not everything in 1920s and
1930s Italy and 1930s Germany, was bad news. Just some of it. And is
there a single country in the worls of which that could not have been said?