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Alan Holmes

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Sep 15, 2005, 8:45:11 AM9/15/05
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So that you can see them before pulling up at the pumps.

There is a petrol station near me, who always overcharge, but
the recent price hikes have resulted in the cost of fuel at
this place being 104.9, but as the indicators only have three
figures, they were unable to display the price.

I was under the impression that the law required petrol
stations to show the prices clearly.

I cannot understand why petrol suppliers, don't be honesty
and show the prices as they are, 99, instead of 89.9, in this
case 105, instead of 104.9.

I'm sure the general public are not that stupid as to know this.

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Dave Mayall

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Sep 15, 2005, 10:20:04 AM9/15/05
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"Alan Holmes" <alan....@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> I cannot understand why petrol suppliers, don't be honesty
> and show the prices as they are, 99, instead of 89.9, in this
> case 105, instead of 104.9.

Because the price is 104.9 not 105.0

If you dispense 50 litres of fuel, you will be charged £52.45, not £52.50

> I'm sure the general public are not that stupid as to know this.

What that 0.1p per litre less means 1p less per 10 litres?


Alex Heney

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Sep 15, 2005, 11:15:12 AM9/15/05
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:45:11 +0100, "Alan Holmes"
<alan....@virgin.net> wrote:

>
>So that you can see them before pulling up at the pumps.
>

No.

But if they do, they must be correct.

>There is a petrol station near me, who always overcharge, but
>the recent price hikes have resulted in the cost of fuel at
>this place being 104.9, but as the indicators only have three
>figures, they were unable to display the price.
>
>I was under the impression that the law required petrol
>stations to show the prices clearly.
>

It does, but only at the pump, before you actually start drawing fuel.

>I cannot understand why petrol suppliers, don't be honesty
>and show the prices as they are, 99, instead of 89.9, in this
>case 105, instead of 104.9.
>

Because that is what they are charging. If they specify 105p, but
actually charge (as they do) 104.9p, then they are not being honest.

>I'm sure the general public are not that stupid as to know this.

And I am sure that the General public are not so stupid as to think it
is the case.
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Alan Holmes

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Sep 15, 2005, 12:05:04 PM9/15/05
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"Dave Mayall" <da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote in message
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And how do you pay £5.205 for 5 litres?

I suspect the charge would be £5.21 and they would be swindling you out of
0.5p

Alan

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>

bigbrian

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Sep 15, 2005, 5:40:04 PM9/15/05
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If the price was 104.9 and they charged you £5.21 for 5 litres, you'd
be up on the deal.

As I'm sure you'd be only too happy to point out to them, not wanting
to swindle them out of 3.5p, an' all....

Brian

Brian Wescombe

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Sep 15, 2005, 5:05:08 PM9/15/05
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"Dave Mayall" <da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote in message
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But what if you dispense exactly two litres (the minimum delivery stated at
most pumps) ? Would you get charged 209.8p or 210p? As you can't actually
be charged 209.8p, I'm guessing you would be charged 210p (105.0p/litre).


Alex Heney

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Sep 15, 2005, 7:45:08 PM9/15/05
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:05:04 +0100, "Alan Holmes"
<alan....@virgin.net> wrote:

>
>"Dave Mayall" <da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> "Alan Holmes" <alan....@virgin.net> wrote in message
>> news:t0eWe.20589$Aa1....@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
>>> I cannot understand why petrol suppliers, don't be honesty
>>> and show the prices as they are, 99, instead of 89.9, in this
>>> case 105, instead of 104.9.
>>
>> Because the price is 104.9 not 105.0
>>
>> If you dispense 50 litres of fuel, you will be charged £52.45, not £52.50
>>
>>> I'm sure the general public are not that stupid as to know this.
>>
>> What that 0.1p per litre less means 1p less per 10 litres?
>
>And how do you pay £5.205 for 5 litres?
>

You mean £5.245 :-)

>I suspect the charge would be £5.21 and they would be swindling you out of
>0.5p
>

They wouldn't be swindling you.

It is normal practice when rounding to round up where the next digit
would be 5 or more.

So long as they round down when appropriate (e.g. for 6 litres, the
exact amount would be £6.294, so they should charge £6.29, then they
are doing nothing wrong.


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Alex Heney, Global Villager

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Graham Murray

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Sep 16, 2005, 6:20:04 AM9/16/05
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Alex Heney <m...@privacy.net> writes:

> It is normal practice when rounding to round up where the next digit
> would be 5 or more.

I thought that the norm was that if the next digit is a '5' then round
to the even number. This will lead to the roundings up and down
approximately cancelling each other out.

Alex Heney

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Sep 16, 2005, 8:00:07 AM9/16/05
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:15:06 +0100, "Mark" <no...@nothere.co.uk>
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>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:45:11 +0100, "Alan Holmes"
>> <alan....@virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>So that you can see them before pulling up at the pumps.
>>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>> But if they do, they must be correct.
>
>

>Are you absolutely sure there isn't a requirement to display prices (much in
>the same way a reataurant has to display prices to the outside of the
>premises?)
>Wasn't this to do with motorway services? It had to be displayed before
>you pulled off the motorway to fill up?
>Just a vague recollection somewhere......
>Are you absolutely sure about your comment?
>

Yes.

Otherwise many filling stations (including most motorway ones) would
be breaking the law.


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Michael Hoffman

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Sep 16, 2005, 8:10:10 AM9/16/05
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Graham Murray wrote:

> I thought that the norm was that if the next digit is a '5' then round
> to the even number. This will lead to the roundings up and down
> approximately cancelling each other out.

It is in science, not in finance.
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Alex Heney

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Sep 16, 2005, 11:10:02 AM9/16/05
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NO.

The correct policy is to round up at 0.5 and down at 0.0

Those two cancel each other out.


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Alan Holmes

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Sep 16, 2005, 4:50:05 PM9/16/05
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"Alex Heney" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:05:04 +0100, "Alan Holmes"
> <alan....@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dave Mayall" <da...@research-group.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:3otdvoF...@individual.net...
>>> "Alan Holmes" <alan....@virgin.net> wrote in message
>>> news:t0eWe.20589$Aa1....@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
>>>> I cannot understand why petrol suppliers, don't be honesty
>>>> and show the prices as they are, 99, instead of 89.9, in this
>>>> case 105, instead of 104.9.
>>>
>>> Because the price is 104.9 not 105.0
>>>
>>> If you dispense 50 litres of fuel, you will be charged £52.45, not
>>> £52.50
>>>
>>>> I'm sure the general public are not that stupid as to know this.
>>>
>>> What that 0.1p per litre less means 1p less per 10 litres?
>>
>>And how do you pay £5.205 for 5 litres?
>>
>
> You mean £5.245 :-)

My arithmetic is obviously not as good as I thought!(:-)

Alan

Essex Computers - Home

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Sep 16, 2005, 6:35:04 PM9/16/05
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"Alex Heney" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:15:06 +0100, "Mark" <no...@nothere.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >X-No-Archive: yes
> >"Alex Heney" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >news:ck3ji1pvpgftv52ob...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:45:11 +0100, "Alan Holmes"
> >> <alan....@virgin.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>So that you can see them before pulling up at the pumps.
> >>>
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >> But if they do, they must be correct.
> >
> >
> >Are you absolutely sure there isn't a requirement to display prices (much
in
> >the same way a reataurant has to display prices to the outside of the
> >premises?)
> >Wasn't this to do with motorway services? It had to be displayed before
> >you pulled off the motorway to fill up?
> >Just a vague recollection somewhere......
> >Are you absolutely sure about your comment?
> >
>
> Yes.
>
> Otherwise many filling stations (including most motorway ones) would
> be breaking the law.

Shell Garages do not display Optimax Prices, not round here anyway


Alex Heney

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Sep 16, 2005, 8:10:03 PM9/16/05
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And nor do most BP garages display the "ultimate" prices.


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Alan Holmes

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Sep 18, 2005, 4:15:08 PM9/18/05
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"Alex Heney" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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But do they display any prices?

Alan

Alex Heney

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Sep 18, 2005, 7:20:06 PM9/18/05
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:15:08 +0100, "Alan Holmes"
<alan....@virgin.net> wrote:

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>"Alex Heney" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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<snip>

>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise many filling stations (including most motorway ones) would
>>>> be breaking the law.
>>>
>>>Shell Garages do not display Optimax Prices, not round here anyway
>>>
>>
>> And nor do most BP garages display the "ultimate" prices.
>
>But do they display any prices?
>

Usually, yes. But not always, except at the pumps.


--
Alex Heney, Global Villager

Don't mess with Murphy.

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