Police vehicles parked on private land waiting for passing (speeding) vehicles...
Allan
There is a spot locally where police frequently park up and wait with
speed cameras (they've been tasked by the local council who've been
moaned at by local residents about vehicles going too fast in that
area). The bit of land in question is a grassy area in front of a large
hotel with a short wide driveway/entrance to the hotel. The police
vehicles tend to park on the edge of the driveway.
If a member of the public went and parked there and didn't have business
with the hotel, I imagine the hotel might eventually ask the driver to
move on. In push came to shove, this might be approaching tresspass.
I accept that I haven't been to the land registry and checked the
boundary where the highway starts and the hotel boundary ends, and I
haven't checked whether the police have sought permission from the hotel.
I accept that the police might need to cross private property in pursuit
of a criminal (and don't really have time to ring the owner's doorbell
and say "Would you mind if I chased that villain across your fishpond....").
However, what is the situation with police parked on what appears to be
private property without clear permission while sitting waiting with a
speed camera for a speeding vehicle to go past
So
1. can police park on private property in case a speeding offence occurs
2. if they cannot, would it invalidate any speeding penalty
A bit of Googling shows queries like this posted for the US, but not
much in the UK, although something about ACPO guidelines that they
should have the freeholder's permission.
Allan
(Yes, I did get caught like this about a year ago: I'm not attempting to
wriggle out of it, it just irks me a little bit and I'd like to get to
the bottom of it. As I said at the top, I suspect I know what the answer is)
Adrian
were saying:
> I accept that... I haven't checked whether the police have sought
> permission from the hotel.
If the hotel wished not to provide permission, all the manager'd need to
do is pop out, lean in the window of the car, and say "Look, excuse me,
but please bugger off elsewhere to do this."
> However, what is the situation with police parked on what appears to be
> private property without clear permission while sitting waiting with a
> speed camera for a speeding vehicle to go past
> 1. can police park on private property in case a speeding offence occurs
Of course they can.
> 2. if they cannot, would it invalidate any speeding penalty
Of course it wouldn't.
If the land owner wished to either withdraw permission or formally
complain to the force, then they'd just find somewhere else to park - but
tickets would still stand.
FWIW, they often use our local cricket club car park.
Ophelia
"Allan" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Do you actually KNOW they don't have permission?
Dr Zoidberg
"Allan" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> However, what is the situation with police parked on what appears to be
> private property without clear permission while sitting waiting with a
> speed camera for a speeding vehicle to go past
How do you know whether they have permission or not.
If it is the hotel land, it's very likely that at some point in the past
they will have asked the hotel owners if they mind.
> So
> 1. can police park on private property in case a speeding offence occurs
Yes they can, however the owner would be within their rights to ask them to
move
> 2. if they cannot, would it invalidate any speeding penalty
>
<wriggle>
Not in the slightest.
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Geoff Berrow
wrote:
>There is a spot locally where police frequently park up and wait with
>speed cameras (they've been tasked by the local council who've been
>moaned at by local residents about vehicles going too fast in that
>area). The bit of land in question is a grassy area in front of a large
>hotel with a short wide driveway/entrance to the hotel. The police
>vehicles tend to park on the edge of the driveway.
One hotel near me used to own and old police car which was permanently
parked outside, presumably as a deterrent to thieves.
It's probably that the hotel is quite happy to have police nearby.
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Martin Bonner
> Allan <inva...@invalid.invalid> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying:
>
> > I accept that... I haven't checked whether the police have sought
> > permission from the hotel.
>
> If the hotel wished not to provide permission, all the manager'd need to
> do is pop out, lean in the window of the car, and say "Look, excuse me,
> but please bugger off elsewhere to do this."
"Up to a point Lord Copper". In theory the law is as you describe.
In practise, this might be equivalent to saying "... and don't forget
to check every one of my customers' cars for strict adherence to
Construction and Use regulations for the next six months"
Ophelia
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<g>
GB
>> If the hotel wished not to provide permission, all the manager'd
>> need to do is pop out, lean in the window of the car, and say "Look,
>> excuse me, but please bugger off elsewhere to do this."
>
> "Up to a point Lord Copper". In theory the law is as you describe.
> In practise, this might be equivalent to saying "... and don't forget
> to check every one of my customers' cars for strict adherence to
> Construction and Use regulations for the next six months"
That would lead to a complaint, which would cause loads of paperwork.
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it turns out that it would have been better if it had gone wrong.
Alex Heney
wrote:
>
>So
>1. can police park on private property in case a speeding offence occurs
Unless they have been asked not to, yes.
Although they would normally get permission anyhow.
>2. if they cannot, would it invalidate any speeding penalty
>
No.
Even if they were parked illegally, that would not invalidate any
speeding ticket.
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Flop
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:55:05 +0000, Allan<inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>
>> So
>> 1. can police park on private property in case a speeding offence occurs
>
> Unless they have been asked not to, yes.
>
> Although they would normally get permission anyhow.
>
>> 2. if they cannot, would it invalidate any speeding penalty
>>
>
> No.
>
> Even if they were parked illegally, that would not invalidate any
> speeding ticket.
>
Passing a garage, I looked at the row of cars on the forecourt as I was
considering buying a car.
They had little stands on the roof - 'No Deposit', '£100 off', 'Only One
Owner', little blue light, 'Finance Available'.
I presume that, by leaving a gap in the row of cars, the garage owner
was also getting a degree of protection.
The Big Society !
Flop
Ophelia
"Flop" <Fl...@flop.knot.me.uk> wrote in message
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> On 16/12/2010 23:50, Alex Heney wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:55:05 +0000, Allan<inv...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>>
>>> So
>>> 1. can police park on private property in case a speeding offence occurs
>>
>> Unless they have been asked not to, yes.
>>
>> Although they would normally get permission anyhow.
>>
>>> 2. if they cannot, would it invalidate any speeding penalty
>>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>> Even if they were parked illegally, that would not invalidate any
>> speeding ticket.
>>
> I recall, some while ago, walking along the A11 in Stansted late at night.
>
> Passing a garage, I looked at the row of cars on the forecourt as I was
> considering buying a car.
>
> They had little stands on the roof - 'No Deposit', '£100 off', 'Only One
> Owner', little blue light, 'Finance Available'.
lol
> I presume that, by leaving a gap in the row of cars, the garage owner was
> also getting a degree of protection.
>
> The Big Society !
>
> Flop
>
>
Goldenwight
Lincoln (yeah, THAT long ago!) and was promptly clamped by private
clampers. The area was clearly marked as private and there were signs
explaining that unauthorised parking would result in clamping. Worse,
a reporter for the local rag cottoned on and became involved.
The Police had little choice but to pay the fine to get their vehicle
released.
Ophelia
"Goldenwight" <prostetn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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But Littlewoods was on the main drag near the Stonebow wasn't it? I don't
remember a private area.
Adam Funk
If the police got an emergency call and the clampers refused to unlock
the clamp, could the latter be charged for obstructing the police?
Goldenwight
> "Goldenwight" <prostetnic_vo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Yeah, it was around the back- parking for about three vehicles.
Goldenwight
Fair comment, but this was a patrol vehicle (i.e. no sirens etc.) and
would not have been so used. Unless it really was an emergency.
Ophelia
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> On Dec 17, 12:32 pm, "Ophelia" <Ophe...@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>> "Goldenwight" <prostetnic_vo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:a7d7728e-2e0e-448b...@n29g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Many years ago, a Police vehicle parked outside Littlewoods store in
>> > Lincoln (yeah, THAT long ago!) and was promptly clamped by private
>> > clampers. The area was clearly marked as private and there were signs
>> > explaining that unauthorised parking would result in clamping. Worse,
>> > a reporter for the local rag cottoned on and became involved.
>>
>> > The Police had little choice but to pay the fine to get their vehicle
>> > released.
>>
>> But Littlewoods was on the main drag near the Stonebow wasn't it? I
>> don't
>> remember a private area.
>
> Yeah, it was around the back- parking for about three vehicles.
Which street was that on then?
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RobertL
> How do you know whether they have permission or not.
> If it is the hotel land, it's very likely that at some point in the past
> they will have asked the hotel owners if they mind.
Robert
Flop
evening past a used-car showroom. It had a number of cars parked on the
forecourt beside the road.
I was looking at the cars and pricing them up. In the middle of the row
there was one with a blue light on top. It was occupied :-)
Presumably, the garage owner left a space free every evening.
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our hedge to 'hide' behind. He was the 'stop' man for the speed trap
down the road.